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Fullkrug (11), Elia (52), Hunt (71)Bent (16, 68), Clark (22)
Mielitz     Given    
Selassie     Lichaj    
Sokratis     Clark    
Prodi     Vlaar    
Schmitz     Stevens     65
Fritz     Holman     65
Junuzovic     El Ahmadi    
Hunt     Delph    
De Bruyne     N'Zogbia     77
Fullkrug     71 Bent    
Elia     Weimann    
Wolf     Marshall    
Lukimya     Guzan    
Ignjovski     Ireland     65
Bargfrede     Bannan     65
Trinks     Gardner     77
Ekici     Baker    
Wurtz     71    
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Writer:Mike Field
Date:Saturday August 11 2012
Time: 6:52PM


good result away at a good side. looked a little frail defensively at times and i think we all know licahj and stevens are never going to make it. stevens is certainly not going to be a premier league player. very very impressed with big ron tho he looks the real deal!!! hopefully he really can be our new laursen! clark has good attributes but defensively he worries me and i'm a bit worried we will never be able to find a position that he is quite good enough in, almost as if he is quite not good enough technically for misfield but too weak defensively to play at CB! el ahmadi looked good again!
11/08/2012 19:13:00
Bent ONLY scored 2!!!! Sell now.
11/08/2012 19:33:00
LoL Vill444 i know only 2 ay pffff, thank god we hae a finisher like DB9 in this team, its a good result away to a decnt German side and good preparation for next weeks opener at West Spam, I was sayingall along Vlarr is class when many were concerned by his so called lack of pace lol but i really hope Randy helps ambo Lambo out a bit and hands him some decent funds in the next few weeks as this sqad is thead bare and will not cope with injuries and suspensions also we could do with a bit of quality and experiance added then Lambo could surprise a few pundits for sure ;) UTV!
11/08/2012 19:51:00
I did not get to see the game but going by everything I have read sounds like it was all that could be hoped for. It is a completely new defence, it takes time for them to bed in and get to know each others game. It is still to early to know if Stevens and Lichaj will make it under Lambert (although I must say every time I have seen Lichaj I have been impressed). The first few months will be hard on the defence but should lead to some very exciting attacking play. UTV
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11/08/2012 19:55:00
Updated. lol disagree on almost every point Wills. Thought that was Ahmadi's worst for us in the second half, and Clark was close to MotM.
11/08/2012 19:56:00
i was just trying to be a bit positive at the end about ahmadi at the end i think mike lol. but i agree clark is a good player and has a potential big future with us but i feel sometime he is poor when he has players coming at him with his back to goal and is sloppy sometimes. eg when he slipped in the box they could easily have scored, and although it wasnt really his fault for their third goal he only partially cleared and sent it right to the edge of our box for them to then score. also when we were defending set pieces he lost his headers twice and fell to the ground whilst his man got a header away. its all well and good being able to pass the ball etc but his defensive attributes even though subtle at times are not that good. he also comes out alot and gets exposed which is why there is space behind and vlaar was dropping very deep and clearing for most balls put into and across the box
11/08/2012 20:33:00
I agreed generally with Mike, though I also think Clark looks a bit weak at times at CB. In fairness to him he has rarely played in the CB position at first team level, playing left back and in midfield. I hope he just needs a few games to get more settled with a new playing partner. What has happened to Herd, is he injured or just out of favour?
11/08/2012 20:53:00
wills - clark is a class CB but hasn't played there for a couple of years now and so will take time to readjust. As for lichaj never making it lol he's looked excellent on many occasions and gets better every time he plays. Not seen enough of Stevens to say and it seems a bit harsh to write him off so early when he's only had a couple of games. I do agree that the defence conceeding 6 in two games is worrying though
11/08/2012 20:58:00
i feel sometimes we give players too long to come good.. very fair point about stevens probably havent seen him enough to judge but ive watched him in the reserves and you just know hes not a premier league player. as for licahj im not saying he wont be a stable player but whether he is going to be good enough to ever be our first choice rightback is very unlikley! as villa fans we always say about giving players time to come good, but the only player to have ever really come good was the one we let go, gary cahill! delfonsoue will never be good enough, delph probably wont either. albrighton in my opinion is not good enough either. agbonlahor, who everybody used to go mad about as being the future really isnt a very good football player, i remember years ago having a chat with someone in a pub about aggy and i remember saying then that his technique is so bad he will never be a top class striker, despite everybody else disagreeing. luke moore stefen moore, they never came good. even going back to steven davies and peter whittingham, not good enough. i think bannan has the potential because he is so technically gifted, along with gardner and curruthers. but players like albrighton, i will put my neck on the line and make bets with anybody on here, will never be good solid footballers in the premier league. i no this sounds awfully negative which really really isnt what im normally like but ive just been thinking lol. how long are we meant to give players. agbonlahor is 25
11/08/2012 21:29:00
Got it down on the forum that it was Vlaar who slid and deflected and Clark closed but not quick enough - no coverage from midfield for that goal. The partnership is looking good though, they just need more than 2 games to click really. By the flipside on one corner, Clark totally out wrestled his man so he's learning that side of the game aswell. He also cleared his fair share I thought of crosses, but Vlaar was superior as you'd expect given experience.

In many ways the comments are right though, he has a lot to learn still but he also has a lot to remember after being shifted around the park over previous seasons. His versatility is an asset, but he really could've done with bedding in in his natural position so the instant stuff he had to learn when making the step up had already been done and it hasn't been.

I also think we are too quick to write off youngsters in many ways. This crop haven't been bedded in properly apart from maybe Carruthers, they have been thrust in, often out of position, so it's hard to judge.

No idea on Herd, just about to check for final updates of the night, so will cover it if an answer is given. Lowton was precautionary over an ankle issue though.

As for players making it, Stefan wasn't interested outside of Villa, Luke should've been given the faith Gabby was but he's still back in the Prem now. Ridgewell Prem, Cahill Prem, Davis Prem, Whits has interest now he's found himself. But loads go on to have good careers but if the benchmark is Rooney then almost every club fails don't they.
11/08/2012 21:38:00
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