Manchester City 4 - Aston Villa 0

I am a patient person. I believe in giving managers time, but this is unacceptable. We need to change NOW before it is too late, Martin Jol please

its time for clouseau to go...

wake up randy and smell the coffee its not fresh,tell blackpool you want there manager and hurry up.chop chop

Sorry Mr Houlier, I'm sure you're a lovely bloke, but we need somebody who's a bit better than you. Do the honourable thing, and Randy, Martin Jol or Ian Holloway will do what we need, and that's restore a bit of pride. Do it before the transfer window opens and give them a bit to play with. Thanks.

I've gone from being in the 'give him time' camp to being firmly within the 'he's gotta go' camp in the space of four games. He's destroying us. Can't remember the last time I saw us consistently play with so little passion. What's Billy McNeill up to these days? He'd fit in quite nicely at VP right now.

Agree with most of the above. Nothing to do with not having a striker. We have officially conceded the most amount of goals out of everyone in the prem, joint equal with WBA. They've scored more than us though!!!! We've let in 34 F*****g goals already with only half the season gone and we only conceded 38 all year last season including the 7 against Chelsea in 1 game.

Houllier Out

Don't know if you heard about Paul Faulkener's interview but he fimly states that GH ain't going nowhere so any talk of a new manager is pointless.

highlight of today was the fact that we kept singing despite the embarrassment on the pitch and the banter with the Citeh fans. Closely pushed by the little bird who was so convinced we wouldn't attack that he was sitting on the pitch in the Citeh box!!!

This is written in the hope that all of us are proven wrong by the man in charge, as I hate to be a pessimist everytime we get stuck in a rut, but anyone thinking that nothing is wrong and nothing needs to be said or done is a bell3nd. The Villa of recent seasons that weve gotten used to and come to expect is now non-existent. Everyone says "give him 3 or 4 transfer windows before you judge him." Anyone still firing that line off needs to stop with that hot steamy pile of bullshish with chunks of delusion and false hope in it. Is a manager only as good as the players he buys or what he does with what he is dealt? MON definitely proved the latter for most of the time he was in charge. Ash and Gabby constantly injured, goal difference -14, on par with Wigan, teams we once competed with for a place in Europe like Spurs, City and Everton dancing the nutbush all over us on the pitch as if the rivalry on the ladder never existed, and the pride of the West Midlands in the top league, West Brom? Where do we draw the line? I doubt even the network of contacts GH has developed over the years runs deep enough to fix this season, though I do eagerly anticipate it, albeit pessimistically. Some of our best players last season like Warnock and Dunne are a shell of the player they were, and are most likely out the ddor in January. GH himself is a shell of the manager he was when he looked like he knew what he was doing. I was considered this a "transitional season" but the pace that football moves nowadays, a season for transition is a sure way to drift into obscurity, which we have done rapidly since he came here. Mr Houllier, you need to leave, go back home, to salvage and no longer spray chunky excrement all over your legacy in England. Again i write this in the hope of being proven wrong by the man. In this case, eating my words will have never been so sweet if he does.

I was baffled by MON's transfer dealings and his bizarre substitutions during a game. He played the same team week in week out as well, and that led to an inevitable collapse at some point during each season. He also left us well and truly in the brown stuff at the start of this season. However. UNDER HIM WE WERE SIXTH PLACE THREE SEASONS IN A ROW. All those haters who wanted him out because we weren't winning Champions League, ask yourselves this - are you happy now ?

It's not difficult to find out Col, Faulkner's been here for as long as Randy. But I forgot the board are the ones failing on the pitch aren't they!

Expat, as an anti Monny (and no not because we weren't Champions actually) no I'm not happy, but things wouldn't have been that much different if he'd stayed as the rot had set in and we'd reached our ceiling and he was incapable of changing that, as you seem to agree with given your post. Houllier hasn't introduced himself as the man to make us better, but that doesn't mean Monny was suddenly better himself.

What we are seeing now is no different to what we saw at the end of last season or in pre season in reality, form is woeful. There is effort, but not enough. The same players whinging etc. I wasn't the only one saying we'd struggle this season before Monny walked - yes I didn't expect things to be this bad, BUT the two or three draws extra I think under Monny we'd have grabbed really wouldn't have changed the picture this season would it.

No we don't have Monny's true version of events yet, but from what is known I wouldn't say it's difficult to see where and why things went wrong culminating in him leaving. Hitting 6th too early so natural and sensible growth went out the window, spend was the only option for the hope of taking our chance quickly, that gave rise to not lose mentality which saw decent football go out the window, which led to spend and spend but not quite on the right players because Monny's style was average players over performing as opposed to big big players who could make a difference, too scared to take a risk and change things hence same 11 played into the ground, folding every March and blowing 4th place. Unhappy camp, Monny out of ideas to break the ceiling, financially limit was pushed, we needed to reign in, Monny wanted new blood, Randy wanted deadwood shifted first after breaking budgets previously on the promise of balancing books that never came, so ultimate flip and Monny walks pretty sure the crap would hit the fan without new signings, but wouldn't wait for deadwood to shift before getting them.

Blame no doubt exists on both sides, either could've handled things differently but I think there's more truth in (although I don't think it was the sole or main reason he walked) that Monny knew this season was going to be a struggle anyway.

But I'm not arguing Houllier is the right man am I, I'm simply pointing out just because Houllier has been so bad, doesn't suddenly mean O'Neill was without his troubles or that things would've been necessarily better. Given the injuries, how many games did Osbourne get? Would you rather Osbourne as a favourite youth under Monny play instead of Hogg, Bannan, Clark?

Daftly I think we are both thinking the same thing given your final line, but possibly you attach more to the Chairman element than I do. This season was going to be a struggle anyway, the fact Houllier hasn't helped himself doesn't necessarily mean Monny didn't take the easy option - even if, as said, I don't believe it was the sole or only reason he decided to walk when he did.