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Aston Villa v Brentford, Sat 9th Sept - 3pm, Villa Park
10 September 2017 13:26 Post ID: #1713300 - in reply to #1713299
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I've just watched the 11 minute highlights on the Villa YouTube channel. They must have been working overtime to find 11 minutes of highlights.

It's so disappointing. Even watching it again, it's hard to see what they were supposed to be doing.

I read somewhere that Sven didn't believe in tactics. He believed in putting out your best 11 and letting them work out a game plan. It might work with very tactically astute players but it doesn't seem to work for us.
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10 September 2017 13:48 Post ID: #1713302 - in reply to #1713299
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sirdennis - 10/9/2017 13:11

Why we didn't put a man on their No.15 is still beyond me. Twice last year he ran the game and again we let him do the same.

Why Burnley bought Westwood instead of him is also puzzling.


More to the point why didn't we buy him?.

We all saw it last season. Yet we go and get Elmo.

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10 September 2017 13:54 Post ID: #1713303 - in reply to #1712724
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We would have turned him into Westwood Lol.
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10 September 2017 14:17 Post ID: #1713306 - in reply to #1712724
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The Dr. has been tweeting. Three emojis. The last one is red. Emojis aren't on my radar but I think it means he's angry?
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10 September 2017 14:18 Post ID: #1713307 - in reply to #1713299
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sirdennis - 10/9/2017 13:11

Why we didn't put a man on their No.15 is still beyond me. Twice last year he ran the game and again we let him do the same.

Why Burnley bought Westwood instead of him is also puzzling.


Agree, I've raved about woods since I saw him play here last season. Hourihane or onomah should've been tasked to mark him out of the game, for me that should've been Hourihane's job as it would've naturally taken him up the pitch.

For me, Davis and Elmo need to be in a 4-4-2. I'd like to see hogan given a run out with a big striker, and Elmo isn't a good enough winger to be comfortable with the ball against two defenders. In a 4-3-3 you want the game to open up if you give the oppo more of the ball but teams like Brentford so t have a back four who get up the pitch so the game plan didn't really work.

Hourihane doesn't work hard enough for the ball when we have it, he should be at the heart of the triangles but all too often our wingers are isolated and their options are backwards.

Edited by danvilla2 10/9/2017 14:19
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10 September 2017 14:32 Post ID: #1713309 - in reply to #1712724
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A thoroughly depressing afternoon....we made Brentford look like Barcelona and gave them the same kind of respect. Stood off them far too much and the only surprise at 4.55pm was that we'd scraped a point. Been a supporter of Bruce, like the bloke and desperately want him to succeed but far too many abject performances with only the odd glimmer of light....not good enough and will ultimately pay the price unless matters improve significantly over the next 3 weeks.
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10 September 2017 14:39 Post ID: #1713311 - in reply to #1712724
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Things that bother me:
1. Not only do we not have a plan B..... it appears we don't have a plan A either.
2. Complete random team selections - the times villa have played well recently it's because of a fluke found team selection thru injuries.
3. Inability to do the basics - passing, movement, set pieces.
4. The fact that our goalkeeper had been the MOTM for 4 out of 5 games.
5. Steve Bruce's post match repitition: "it wasn't good enough and we know it wasn't, we have to do something about it and go again for the next match" Bruce has been in a Ferguson team, no way would a team underperform for sir Alex- learn from him!
6. My own silliness of getting hyped up and excited for matches every week only to be disappointed.
7. Our transfer dealings - Elmo and snodgrass were buddy buys.
8. How we buy good players/ get good coaches and then they nearly instantly lose their ability once they put on the jersey. This had been going on years so can't blame current coaches.
9. Manager bolloxology - players looked jaded.... it's 6 games in and they look tired? Poor chaps. Sherwood, although entertaining, was a master of it too.
10. My own OCD that I have to finish a list with 10 points.
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10 September 2017 15:40 Post ID: #1713325 - in reply to #1713299
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sirdennis - 10/9/2017 13:11

Why we didn't put a man on their No.15 is still beyond me. Twice last year he ran the game and again we let him do the same.

Why Burnley bought Westwood instead of him is also puzzling.

He had the freedom of the park. I kept looking for our equivalent but couldn't spot him.
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10 September 2017 16:13 Post ID: #1713337 - in reply to #1712724
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If this no 15 is that good I don't think one of ours man to man marking would bother him. Might give him more options. Control the game then he doesn't have the ball.
The thing is have we anyone to make the opposition think of man marking him ?
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10 September 2017 16:16 Post ID: #1713339 - in reply to #1712724
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Yet again I feel that I've been had over by the Villa and I'm disappointed in myself as much as anything.
I was so confident we would batter Brentford ahead of kick off, I predicted 4-0 in the pre match thread and I set myself up for the big size 11 in the balls yesterday afternoon became.
I really want Bruce to succeed as I'm sick and tired of the managerial merry go round and time wasted in the process , however I can't see him lasting long with shit like yesterday being churned out .
Crowds are falling (only 29k again yesterday) and the club is in a mess , 18th in the 2nd division is a very shoddy position
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10 September 2017 16:21 Post ID: #1713340 - in reply to #1712724
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I'm also sick of the managerial merry go round, but until we get one that performs this is how it has to be.

Surely by now everyone can see that it's just not working out with Bruce and that he needs to be replaced.
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10 September 2017 16:43 Post ID: #1713350 - in reply to #1713340
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Fulford - 11/9/2017 01:21

I'm also sick of the managerial merry go round, but until we get one that performs this is how it has to be.

Surely by now everyone can see that it's just not working out with Bruce and that he needs to be replaced.


The issue is who. If Mourinho or Ferguson were waiting for the call, I'd be all for it. Big Sam seems about the best manager on the list and he probably wouldn't come to us. Some on here are calling for the return of Sherwood because Bruce is clueless when it comes to tactics. Hahahaha
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10 September 2017 17:04 Post ID: #1713353 - in reply to #1712724
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THATS the problem, replacing Bruce with who? My guess is Xia will give him time to either turn it around with the 'best squad in this division'...(seriously, are we having a laugh??) OR give him enough rope to hang himself. Bloody hell he's still playing Gabby!
Going by the utter rubbish of this performance (and the THIRD TIME running we have been outplayed by Brentford in this league) it will be the latter. Probs by Xmas.
I don't see a pattern...every team on the C5 highlights looks to have more energy and movement than our 'aston villa old boys' brigade. And bruce's excuse about tiredness is ridiculous...did it stop dele alli and kane performing for spurs? TRUTH IS we need to give the kids time to adapt to this level of football...some of the seniors frankly would be better of in the Aston Manor Care Home.....

Edited by robbali 10/9/2017 17:11
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10 September 2017 17:07 Post ID: #1713354 - in reply to #1713339
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Silhillvilla - 10/9/2017 16:16

Yet again I feel that I've been had over by the Villa and I'm disappointed in myself as much as anything.
I was so confident we would batter Brentford ahead of kick off, I predicted 4-0 in the pre match thread and I set myself up for the big size 11 in the balls yesterday afternoon became.
I really want Bruce to succeed as I'm sick and tired of the managerial merry go round and time wasted in the process , however I can't see him lasting long with shit like yesterday being churned out .
Crowds are falling (only 29k again yesterday) and the club is in a mess , 18th in the 2nd division is a very shoddy position

Reminds me of Brentford away after we had bought the 'who's who of the championship' in january...they slaughtered us 3-0 if you remember. if anything we are worse now than then....I bet Hogan wishes he was playing alongside Woods at Brentford again!

Edited by robbali 10/9/2017 17:09
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10 September 2017 17:15 Post ID: #1713356 - in reply to #1713350
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BodyButter - 10/9/2017 16:43

Fulford - 11/9/2017 01:21

I'm also sick of the managerial merry go round, but until we get one that performs this is how it has to be.

Surely by now everyone can see that it's just not working out with Bruce and that he needs to be replaced.


The issue is who. If Mourinho or Ferguson were waiting for the call, I'd be all for it. Big Sam seems about the best manager on the list and he probably wouldn't come to us. Some on here are calling for the return of Sherwood because Bruce is clueless when it comes to tactics. Hahahaha


As I keep saying, the guy at Fulham apparently wants out and they play some lovely attacking football.
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10 September 2017 17:20 Post ID: #1713359 - in reply to #1712724
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MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT for EDDIE HOWE to take Bournemouth down and go for him...no doubt he will fail at VP too though!
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10 September 2017 17:22 Post ID: #1713361 - in reply to #1713356
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The guy at Fulham has a 40% win record at Fulham. Exactly the same as Bruce at Villa.
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