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The crazy world of modern money football
30 August 2017 17:50 Post ID: #1711843 - in reply to #1711835
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CDX_EIRE - 31/8/2017 02:28

I think the bubble will burst because at some point people of generation will surely stop buying sky sports? Won't they? Maybe just me then.


There are no kids at football matches these days. There haven't been for years. I think I (and probably you) are part of the last generation of football fans.

I'm not sure if football doesn't realise the problem or doesn't give a shit.

They are going to have fun marketing a sport played in empty stadiums as the most exciting thing in the world.
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30 August 2017 18:33 Post ID: #1711849 - in reply to #1711771
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I have 3 kids 18,17,8.

My 17 year old has no interest in football anymore.

My 18 and 8 year old enjoy a day out at VP but don't ask to go.

All 3 don't watch any football on TV.

Says a lot about the future generation regarding football.
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30 August 2017 19:54 Post ID: #1711856 - in reply to #1711771
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Why are Spurs and Chelsea building bigger stadiums? Because they can fill them. As of now football is better supported than it was 20 years ago, and beyond; a lot better. Don't think the enthusiasm for the game is diminishing. Why do we get great support away from home? Because the away fans enjoy it. When there's a lot of stress and misery going on, football is a good outlet and a good social scene. OK, our away form is miserable, but deep down our away support must get a kick out of it.

Yep the money angle is daft, but why worry? Every time money has come into football there has been prophecies of impending doom, but it hasn't happened yet. Abolishing the maximum wage, fixed-term contracts, the Bosman ruling, were all seen as the beginning of the end, but if anything they led to a healthier balance in the sport.

Plenty of clubs are "forced" to sell players because of high offers, but the good clubs have somebody at least as good lined up, for less, and make a profit. High wages undoubtedly have an impact on players; if you get to 27 or 28 with money in the bank and your career has become difficult, maybe you give up just that little important bit. But good clubs are the ones who move you on before that happens. [one of the reasons I'm wary about Bruce's signings is that past experience is no guide to future performance, and I'm not sure he realises this. Ferguson was great at shifting out players before the rot set in]

What if the money dries up? Well, look at us. MON might argue that the wages he was dishing out were the going rates for encourageing those players to play for us, but when the world crash came we were left with players on salaries too big too move on, and it did for us. But that's bad management. Get the impression that our finances are now much better managed, and it is really bad management which leaves you in trouble.

Today's figures are bizarre, but they are just figures. Don't worry.
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30 August 2017 20:05 Post ID: #1711857 - in reply to #1711771
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Unfortunately it is the rate that xfer fees are inflating [exacerbated by state owned clubs making a mockery of sky high buyout clauses] that is the bull in the china shop.
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30 August 2017 20:21 Post ID: #1711859 - in reply to #1711771
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The problem is all the clubs have more money than sense. In the past fees were gradually getting higher and higher but with the new TV deal all the clubs have found themselves with a ridiculous amount of spare cash. It is a bit obscene and off putting, especially when you see fees for average players which 2 or 3 years would only be reserved for the best players in the world. I am kind of glad we are not part of it... although of course I would prefer us to be in the premier league and I think it would be unavoidable to get caught up in it if we were in the PL
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30 August 2017 23:19 Post ID: #1711882 - in reply to #1711771
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It's all relative I suppose.

There has always been big rich clubs and tiny poor clubs. Wasn't there complete disbelief when Trevor Francis became the first £1m signing?

But it has escalated in the last few years to ridiculous heights. Like David said, a part of me feels that Villa couldn't have been relegated at a better time. just to not be part of it. But even Championship spending from the bigger clubs has never been as high.

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31 August 2017 03:06 Post ID: #1711891 - in reply to #1711856
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McParlandTheGreat - 30/8/2017 19:54

Today's figures are bizarre, but they are just figures. Don't worry.


Thats how I feel about it its just like monopoly money. The danger is for the smaller teams not the big clubs, the true big clubs, Manchester United are too big to fail but what about your Stokes and Bournemouths? I even feel Manchester City could fail when theres no money to be made they could fall away but United are at least a real brand and can stand on their own without the money.

Skys revenue needs to suffer first and I can see it happening if they fail to adapt the internet will take them over. They're offering a superior product for the moment like say HBO but if HBO cant keep up with the times they'll go too. With that said another little company could come along and keep the money train roaring.

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31 August 2017 10:01 Post ID: #1711903 - in reply to #1711771
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I think clubs are simply paying what they can afford.

If the TV money dries up, they'll pay less. I don't think it will burst as such, the transfer fee's will just drop. There may be a few years of struggle for some clubs paying large contracts with less money coming in, but that'll soon level out too over a few years.

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31 August 2017 10:11 Post ID: #1711905 - in reply to #1711771
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The fees are inflated because of the agents in my opinion. When an agent is getting money from both the selling and buying clubs, plus a wedge from the player they represent, it's in their interest to keep the merry-go-round spinning.
The clubs should say, "You represent the player. Let him pay all the costs."
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31 August 2017 12:20 Post ID: #1711925 - in reply to #1711905
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ironside - 31/8/2017 10:11
The clubs should say, "You represent the player. Let him pay all the costs."


That would be nice in an ideal world, but some clubs won't play by the same rules. The only way to beat the system is to develop and buy in young talent, make a good profit when they move on.

The point in case is Benteke £7m in £33m out - how many years does that feed the academy. All you need to do then is to bring through the new and improve youth player. Simples!

However, looking at Southampton's accounts as perceived good practice they made an overall profit of £16.5m in 2015, £8.5m last year but still have net debt of around £39m. Transfers actually made a loss of £6.3m for 2015-16. Obviously not as simple as all that then.
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01 September 2017 13:39 Post ID: #1712081 - in reply to #1711771
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It's a mad mad world
Drinkwater 35 mil to Chelsea but not good enough for the England squad
Mortimer worth a billion compared to him.
What does it all mean , when will it all end.
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01 September 2017 14:16 Post ID: #1712088 - in reply to #1711771
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Very true words Erod.

Just imagine the value of the 1980 - 1982 squad based on today's prices.
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01 September 2017 14:44 Post ID: #1712092 - in reply to #1711771
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Drinkwater for £35m, Jesus wept. It weren't that many years ago zidane went to real for £45m and he was worth every penny. To think sigurdsson cost as much just baffles me, the fees have jumped a lot in a short space of time and it seems paying that much is becoming the norm. Dembele to Barca for over £100m without the add ons, crazy! He got a few assists and goals last season and suddenly he's worth £100m more than Dortmund paid for him the year before!
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01 September 2017 14:51 Post ID: #1712094 - in reply to #1711771
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There is just no loyalty in football any more apart from the fans . Footballers are after bigger pay packets or chumps league and will move at the drop of a hat. The clubs are just as bad no use castigating Van Dijk and Sanchez because if it suited the club they would be out the door.And even a player like Rooney who quite obviously loved Everton took the money and the chance of trophies over that love. Rare indeed are the Charlie Aitkins of this world who spend their whole careers at a club and constantly give their all.
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01 September 2017 18:47 Post ID: #1712124 - in reply to #1712088
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Fulford - 1/9/2017 14:16

Very true words Erod.

Just imagine the value of the 1980 - 1982 squad based on today's prices.


Or other years indeed, 76-77 for example, priceless but still wouldn't have got caps whilst staying at Villa. Just think if we were in the top six of the PL we could buy Drinkwater and Evans for £60m. I am glad we are not.
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01 September 2017 19:13 Post ID: #1712125 - in reply to #1712092
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VillaTomB38 - 1/9/2017 14:44

Drinkwater for £35m, Jesus wept. It weren't that many years ago zidane went to real for £45m and he was worth every penny. To think sigurdsson cost as much just baffles me, the fees have jumped a lot in a short space of time and it seems paying that much is becoming the norm. Dembele to Barca for over £100m without the add ons, crazy! He got a few assists and goals last season and suddenly he's worth £100m more than Dortmund paid for him the year before!


While its mad money for Dembele the kid looks like he could be a superstar and will be a terrifying proposition if he fills out his frame a bit more.
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01 September 2017 19:24 Post ID: #1712128 - in reply to #1712092
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VillaTomB38 - 1/9/2017 14:44

Drinkwater for £35m, Jesus wept. It weren't that many years ago zidane went to real for £45m and he was worth every penny. To think sigurdsson cost as much just baffles me, the fees have jumped a lot in a short space of time and it seems paying that much is becoming the norm. Dembele to Barca for over £100m without the add ons, crazy! He got a few assists and goals last season and suddenly he's worth £100m more than Dortmund paid for him the year before!


I think the Neymar deal completely changed things overnight. Before that deal the idea that anyone was worth £100m+ was a bit insane, now the goalposts have moved and it's redefined the limits of the transfer market and now any good player who is relatively young is worth either around £100m or above.

I bet if Barcelona had offered £80m for coutinho in July it would have been accepted, now there's rumours they won't even accept a £130m bid... Dembele another one, bought him last year for £15m, decent but not staggering season at Dortmund suddenly worth £100m overnight
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