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Time for a new manager?
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20 September 2017 20:59 Post ID: #1715284 - in reply to #1709039
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Banging on about Nuno at wolves yet we are above them in the current form tables .
I do chuckle .
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20 September 2017 21:12 Post ID: #1715288 - in reply to #1709039
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Reckoned 11 from 18 absolute minimum at the start of this month. So he needs at least 2 wins from 3. And that's being generous.
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20 September 2017 21:14 Post ID: #1715289 - in reply to #1709039
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Wolves will be above us this season,so will Leeds.

Managers 8 games in, yet way ahead of Bruce in their team progression.
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21 September 2017 02:10 Post ID: #1715303 - in reply to #1715267
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BringbakMON - 21/9/2017 03:14

7+ points from the next three would put us into a decentish position (which would flatter how bad we've been)
less than 5 pts playing the continued shite and it's hard to see why you'd flog the same dead horse

so we'll prob get 6 and muddle on a bit longer hysterically



7+ points will set us up for how magnificent we are going to be. Once we sort out our forwards and bag a few wins in a row, things will click into place.
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21 September 2017 10:52 Post ID: #1715350 - in reply to #1715280
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pvb1968 - 20/9/2017 20:15

Next 3 games has to be 9 points and team playing free flowing expansive football.
















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I hope for 9 points, I'd settle for 7 and I couldn't give a flying fig abut the football played as long as we get those points.

We're not Barcelona, and are unlikely to be any time soon. if Bruce gets us up 'his way' then i'd be more than happy with that.
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21 September 2017 10:55 Post ID: #1715351 - in reply to #1715289
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ASPINALL - 20/9/2017 21:14

Wolves will be above us this season



Bet you a tenner they won't!


ASPINALL - 20/9/2017 21:14
Managers 8 games in, yet way ahead of Bruce in their team progression.


Or just experiencing a bit of a honeymoon period?


Christ, it's 8 games. 8!! You can't judge a whole season on 8 games!
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21 September 2017 11:02 Post ID: #1715355 - in reply to #1709039
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To put this in perspective, Arsenal are 12th and their manager has been there implementing his ideas for 20 years!

Newcastle are 4th.

Care to bet which of the 2 will finish higher?

it's early days. Stop the mass hysteria.
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21 September 2017 12:19 Post ID: #1715362 - in reply to #1709039
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I have posted before regarding league position in the Championship after 10 games and over the last 15 seasons very few teams who are lower mid table ended up being promoted. I'm laid up at the moment and have missed the last 3 league games , we have to win the next 3 games because that will put us in the top 6 and that then has to be the spring board for the season.
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21 September 2017 12:19 Post ID: #1715363 - in reply to #1709039
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To put it in perspective, Arsene has had Arsenal playing in the top European club competition for the last 20 years.
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21 September 2017 12:20 Post ID: #1715364 - in reply to #1715355
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I don't see Wolves as anything to shout about, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see them start to tumble down the league with questions being asked about this Nuno guy in charge.

I did enjoy writing that and not having to mention you know who
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21 September 2017 18:03 Post ID: #1715406 - in reply to #1715282
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sirdennis - 20/9/2017 20:48

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sirdennis - 20/9/2017 15:47

Some good points by Merd but the examples used (Monk , Stam and Jokanovic) didn't achieve promotion either. Pochettino inherited clubs and squads that were in a far more stable state than us. I wonder if any of those would succeed and clubs like us and Sunderland who have been basket cases for a few years now.


I think the point is Sir Den they hit the ground running , and improved what was there without people making excuses about needing time .
BFR Little Gregory didn't take long to revive us when they first arrived , they just got on wheeling and dealing and playing their own style,
We don't seem to be improving after a year with Bruce


Yes i get that , but my point is they had a far better and more solid base to start from. No manager in recent times has had that with us , hence the reason they have all bombed.


It doesn't matter regarding the names on my previous post as there are many examples where managers have had instant success and conversely an equally long list where there has been no effect - Big Sam had a positive effect on Sunderland. The principle point here is that the right appointment will have a positive effect, the key being to make the right appointment. Many thought and still think Bruce is the right appointment and it will come good in time (it may, it may not, I don't have a crystal ball). I do think Bruce is a creature of habit however, hence the safety first approach, certain players not appearing to know their roles, played out of position and therefore inconsistent results and performances.

If we continue in this vain can anyone realistically see Bruce succeeding in the PL if we achieve promotion this year? I can't and I would prefer not to be a yo-yo club or in the position where we change SB after 10 games of a PL campaign. We can disagree or make counter arguments to any point made on here, but I just don't see a footballing strategy developing that currently goes beyond lurching from game to game.

All fans (including SB who is currently a fan as well as manager) ultimately want the same outcomes - a successful team. I also get that the club has been in crisis and I, like everyone here, crave stability at the club, but that stability extends to team selection, tactics, youth development, results etc. I just no longer see that as happening under SB and believe that there are realistic and better options out there. I also accept that change comes with risk, but we are told by the club that a change of manager should not mean tearing the squad of players apart - Steve Round is there to ensure that it continues to be evolution, not revolution.

We are all aware that one day in the future, SB will be relieved of his duties as Aston Villa manager - I just gravitate to it being sooner than some others on here for the reasons outlined in my recent post.

Edited by "Merd" 21/9/2017 18:08
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29 September 2017 08:55 Post ID: #1716643 - in reply to #1709039
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Steve Bruce may be someone we needed to steady the boat and get us back to doing the basics right but one thing he isn't is the future. He may get us out of this division, and I really hope he does, but the premier league is all about the modern game. And you need to not just understand it, but to know how to exploit it.

This is what Bruce said about wide players switching flanks in his Bolton pressed:

“He (Adomah) looks at home on the left. I think he enjoys it.

“It’s amazing the wide players today play the wrong way round.

“We have a left footer playing on the right and the right player on the left."

Hardly amazing is it? And I thought MON was old school...
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29 September 2017 09:06 Post ID: #1716645 - in reply to #1709039
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Burnley and West Brom are doing ok with traditional old school English managers.

I just hope we don't try and rush things. Worst thing we could do is get up and start from scratch again.

I'd take a few years of mid table to stabilise the club, before looking to push on.
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29 September 2017 14:36 Post ID: #1716704 - in reply to #1709039
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Wouldn't describe either Dyche or Pulis as old school. Both are realists who have the knack of making the most of what they have at their disposal, Both understand the modern game, even if they have limited resources to pursue it. They have a track record of survival in the PL, and even the odd good season.

Bruce in contrast has signed loads of players, half of whom are lucky to make the bench, seems to have limited tactical awareness, and has no track record of survival in the PL.
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29 September 2017 16:29 Post ID: #1716716 - in reply to #1709039
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If Bruce gets us up he will sit down with the Doc to discus ambition.
Aston Villa fans will never except staying up is the extent of our ambition.
But do these foreign owners and managers know the difference between say Bournemouth and Villa., and do they think Watford is a better option because they are in the greed league.

Sod Pulis and Dyche, they are no better than Bruce for our great club.
Bruce is our best chance of going up, then it's Doctors orders.
We can only hope he has the ambition and the brains to carry it out.

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29 September 2017 16:51 Post ID: #1716723 - in reply to #1709039
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What a load of nonsense talked about about lefties on the right and righties on the left. The top wingers are two footed, yes they have a natural born foot but they have worked on the other so it also becomes natural

John Robertson crossed from the left to win the European Cup for forest.
Tone crossed from the left to Pete........

Mac the goals moves inside to win FA Cup

Bobby Charlton thunderbolts left or right, unstoppable as defenders can't cut off two sides.

So if you have the brains make yourself two footed.
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29 September 2017 17:57 Post ID: #1716729 - in reply to #1709039
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They reckoned nobody knew which was Bobby Charlton's best foot. He was great with both.
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