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20 September 2017 11:01 Post ID: #1715204 - in reply to #1709039
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Listened to the game last night and the overriding emotion is one of disappointment. Yes it does matter that we lost a winnable game even with our reserves. We are supposed to be developing a style of play from youth levels to the first team so that players can make the transition to first team level smoothly.

From reading reports, fellow posters on this blog, watching games and listening to them, I see no particular style, just one disjointed performance after another.

Strip this back to the bare bones and look at what Nuno has achieved at Wolves in a fraction of the time that Bruce has had, Pochettino also did it at Southampton and then Spurs, Monk, Stam, Jokanovic and Wagner all achieved at their various clubs last season. It doesn't take 3-4 years to implement a style of play on the pitch. Admittedly it might take 2-3 years to get a settled squad, a consistent style of play and the results that we all crave, but I am not seeing any green shoots of recovery and neither am I being hysterical. We seem to be lurching from one game to the next with polar opposites in terms of performance.

I'm all for stability, a good management team making consistent decisions over purchases, development of the youth, team selection, style of play. IMHO we have a good senior management structure now and I can see the work that they have been doing. What I don't see is a consistent selection process or a style of play that has been implemented from the coaching staff and team manager.

People have eluded to it on here that Bruce is afraid to lose and this will be transmitted to the players. We need a positivity around the team and the supporters that we patently don't currently have. The team manager and his staff are still the most important ingredient for success on the field of play.

We can all continue to make excuses for SB aka it was only a cup game, we had a perfectly good goal disallowed, we had a player sent off etc. all of which is fair comment for one particular game, but to suggest we were anything other than abject against Cardiff, Reading & Brentford and suggest that he needs 3-4 years to sort out the team insults the paying public.

I don't really care that he is a nice bloke nor about his track record, we live in the present and I think that AVFC deserves better than what he is able to offer. To that end it is time for change and we should not fear change nor offer up any more excuses for poor performances.
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20 September 2017 11:13 Post ID: #1715206 - in reply to #1715204
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Merd that is spot on mate
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20 September 2017 11:46 Post ID: #1715209 - in reply to #1715206
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Perfectly summed up for me as well Merd
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20 September 2017 12:36 Post ID: #1715217 - in reply to #1715204
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"Merd" - 20/9/2017 11:01

We are supposed to be developing a style of play from youth levels to the first team so that players can make the transition to first team level smoothly.


Well you've answered your own question there haven't you. DEVELOPING!!! It's still under development. He's been here 12 months and his 1 and only aim is to achieve promotion. Feck youth team style of play at this juncture! The England National Squad have been trying to do this for years and still got knowhere. Germany did it but it took them 6 years!



From reading reports, fellow posters on this blog, watching games and listening to them, I see no particular style, just one disjointed performance after another.


Absolutely nothing unusual in seeing a disjointed performance from a disjointed team. It was the reserves!


Admittedly it might take 2-3 years to get a settled squad, a consistent style of play and the results that we all crave


Answered your own question again so stop moaning.


We can all continue to make excuses for SB aka it was only a cup game, we had a perfectly good goal disallowed, we had a player sent off etc.


Facts, not excuses.

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20 September 2017 13:47 Post ID: #1715231 - in reply to #1709039
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If Lansbury, Bjarnason and Hogan were playing like the players we thought that Bruce had bought in January, we could have won last night. They aren't, and surely Bruce has to take some responsibility for that.

I think Merd is spot on; it was what I thought at the start of this month. Qualified only by accepting that we had to see how this month turned out (in the league), as it was clear that the management weren't prepared to act then. Last night won't help his case, but the next three matches are crucial. If he lasts that long.
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20 September 2017 15:25 Post ID: #1715241 - in reply to #1709039
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Love that Merd, totally spot on imo.
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20 September 2017 15:47 Post ID: #1715242 - in reply to #1715241
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Some good points by Merd but the examples used (Monk , Stam and Jokanovic) didn't achieve promotion either. Pochettino inherited clubs and squads that were in a far more stable state than us. I wonder if any of those would succeed and clubs like us and Sunderland who have been basket cases for a few years now.
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20 September 2017 16:43 Post ID: #1715251 - in reply to #1709039
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I don't give a shit about losing a League Cup match. It's irrelevant this season. Going by the attendance, most Villa fans agree.

However, I am concerned about playing entirely different teams for the weekend and midweek matches. Is this an exception or is Bruce planning on going forward with this?

I can't think of a single example of a successful team that used two entirely different teams for different matches.
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20 September 2017 17:43 Post ID: #1715256 - in reply to #1715251
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BodyButter - 20/9/2017 16:43

I don't give a shit about losing a League Cup match. It's irrelevant this season. Going by the attendance, most Villa fans agree.

However, I am concerned about playing entirely different teams for the weekend and midweek matches. Is this an exception or is Bruce planning on going forward with this?

I can't think of a single example of a successful team that used two entirely different teams for different matches.


You've answered your own point... the cup is irrelevant hence why it was a used to give the other players a chance
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20 September 2017 17:59 Post ID: #1715260 - in reply to #1715251
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BodyButter - 20/9/2017 16:43

I don't give a shit about losing a League Cup match. It's irrelevant this season. Going by the attendance, most Villa fans agree.

However, I am concerned about playing entirely different teams for the weekend and midweek matches. Is this an exception or is Bruce planning on going forward with this?

I can't think of a single example of a successful team that used two entirely different teams for different matches.


Hope it was an exception. Can see a point in treating the Cup differently from the league. But for the league you need to carry forwards largely the same team from week to week. Some rotation is OK; you can do that if you have good cover for positions. But that's all. Players need to develop working partnerships, and that means playing together. Bruce has been chopping and changing throughout his time here.

Unfortunately we have 3 or 4 players for some positions and only 1 for others. Daft.

Mourinho works with a squad of 20-22 players. We have way over that.
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20 September 2017 18:02 Post ID: #1715262 - in reply to #1715251
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BodyButter - 20/9/2017 16:43

I don't give a shit about losing a League Cup match. It's irrelevant this season. Going by the attendance, most Villa fans agree.

However, I am concerned about playing entirely different teams for the weekend and midweek matches. Is this an exception or is Bruce planning on going forward with this?

I can't think of a single example of a successful team that used two entirely different teams for different matches.


Usual Sky favourites change their teams. In fact most teams do. Even the lower league teams do it now. You either get away with it or don't. We did against Colchester and Wigan, but didn't last night. Stoke didn't against Bristol City.
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20 September 2017 18:12 Post ID: #1715266 - in reply to #1715251
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BodyButter - 20/9/2017 16:43
However, I am concerned about playing entirely different teams for the weekend and midweek matches. Is this an exception or is Bruce planning on going forward with this?

Maybe SB is practicing for his new job making the FA Cup 3rd round draw.
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20 September 2017 18:14 Post ID: #1715267 - in reply to #1709039
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7+ points from the next three would put us into a decentish position (which would flatter how bad we've been)
less than 5 pts playing the continued shite and it's hard to see why you'd flog the same dead horse

so we'll prob get 6 and muddle on a bit longer hysterically

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20 September 2017 18:20 Post ID: #1715268 - in reply to #1715267
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3 x 0-0 draws from the next 3 winnable games and he'll be chop suey . We have to be looking at 9 points , he may get away with 7 as long as the draw is the last of the 3 games .



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20 September 2017 18:26 Post ID: #1715270 - in reply to #1715242
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sirdennis - 20/9/2017 15:47

Some good points by Merd but the examples used (Monk , Stam and Jokanovic) didn't achieve promotion either. Pochettino inherited clubs and squads that were in a far more stable state than us. I wonder if any of those would succeed and clubs like us and Sunderland who have been basket cases for a few years now.


I think the point is Sir Den they hit the ground running , and improved what was there without people making excuses about needing time .
BFR Little Gregory didn't take long to revive us when they first arrived , they just got on wheeling and dealing and playing their own style,
We don't seem to be improving after a year with Bruce
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20 September 2017 20:15 Post ID: #1715280 - in reply to #1709039
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Next 3 games has to be 9 points and team playing free flowing expansive football.
















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20 September 2017 20:48 Post ID: #1715282 - in reply to #1715270
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Villan57 - 20/9/2017 18:26

sirdennis - 20/9/2017 15:47

Some good points by Merd but the examples used (Monk , Stam and Jokanovic) didn't achieve promotion either. Pochettino inherited clubs and squads that were in a far more stable state than us. I wonder if any of those would succeed and clubs like us and Sunderland who have been basket cases for a few years now.


I think the point is Sir Den they hit the ground running , and improved what was there without people making excuses about needing time .
BFR Little Gregory didn't take long to revive us when they first arrived , they just got on wheeling and dealing and playing their own style,
We don't seem to be improving after a year with Bruce


Yes i get that , but my point is they had a far better and more solid base to start from. No manager in recent times has had that with us , hence the reason they have all bombed.
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