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Aston Villa v Hull City, Sat 5th August 2017, 5.30pm
06 August 2017 11:15 Post ID: #1706738 - in reply to #1705657
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If after 10 games we are mid table and still defending for the last 50 minutes of a game I predict Mr bruce will be gone. We have the players and we cant risk not being in the promotion push again.
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06 August 2017 11:28 Post ID: #1706739 - in reply to #1705657
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Without quoting the long post.

Nice one Wurzel. Agree.

If changing the manager AGAIN so soon is going to work then can someone show me the evidence of how that has worked for us in recent years. People talk like it's a guarantee. Then what give someone 9 months, then what give someone else 9 months then what....

Green doesnt miss from 3 yards and it's all different. Personally if anyone needs criticism it's him just as much. Abysmal technique from a professional. Young or not he should be scoring that 10 out of 10. But he gets a free pass on here. Cost us the win as much as anyone else including Bruce. Likewise Hogan. I see Gabby scores but only mostly gets a mention for the one he missed.

The inbalance on here is untrue sometimes.
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06 August 2017 11:47 Post ID: #1706741 - in reply to #1705657
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baffling innit
defensive fullbacks, couple of 'wingbacks' in midfield and some more defensive types
and whatever Lansbury is supposed to be
and people think that's defensive - madness
At least we knew we could rely on our proven performers
and to think we were playing a 'broken club' that hadn't had 'time to gel' under a new manager who hasn't brought in his own players etc etc

very simple really - we need to pick up ~ 2pts a game for automatic
if by xmas we're not at that rate Bruce will be gone
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06 August 2017 11:54 Post ID: #1706742 - in reply to #1705657
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I can see both sides of the argument.

Of course you can't judge everything after one game, of course Bruce should get time, of course it would have been a whole lot different if Andre Green didn't wince when the ball came near to him and of course we played bloody well first half

But then you hear Bruce saying "its been the achilles heel since I got here" and you see us play 45 minutes again, and you see Lansbury totally anonymous, and you see Bacuna in for Green and you see us drop back 20 yards and invite pressure, and you see the likes of Gabby and Bacuna not able to last more than 60 minutes and you have to ask the question why ?

There are no excuses for me. This thing about "Hull came down so they are good" etc... is rubbish. That is the entire reason we should have won. Hull were relegated because they lost most there games, the same as us last year, and at the start of the season relegated teams still have that losing mentality and promoted teams still have that winning one. Hence we lost first game last year, so did Newcastle, Sheff Utd beat Brentford yesterday, Boro lost etc...

That game was there for the taking, Hull were lke rabbit in headlights first half, we should have scored at least 4 - we didn't and we paid the price.

Now, if that was just yesterday, I would say fair enough, but its week after week after week, and is a mirror of the start of last season (Forest - 25 attempts !)

Well last season, by the 8th game, fans were booing, by the 9th, the manager was gone. Bruce has no excuses .

The fact is , and some think this is wrong, YES, I want to win every game - to get promoted you basically have to win most your games. 46 games, 138 points. You need 90 ish to get promoted so basically you can bugger up around 10-15 of them, we have already buggered up one , in one !.
We now have two tricky away games, win them and we are on our way, lose them , or even draw them, and we are already on the backfoot that is hard to overcome. Although it wouldn't happen that quickly, I think we will have a pretty good idea on if we are going up and if Bruce will still be at the club in 10 days time. 7 points out of 9, you are on target, 5 , and its either way, 2 or 3 and you are fighting a losing battle,

As for the Hogan debate, yes he doesn't get much service, but the stuff he gets, he misses (and don't tell me he meant that for Gabbys goal, he just missed it himself) and if he doesn't get service, it is up to him to make something himself. Kodjia does, Benteke did, every striker does. He looks woefully inadequate to me at the moment
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06 August 2017 12:50 Post ID: #1706744 - in reply to #1705657
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So disappointing and and it's easy to believe same old, same old. However, as Silhill has said, Green misses an absolute sitter or it's 2-1 and we're all happy. Well if not happy a lot less negative stuff on these pages.
If we can't score from the chances we had we are going to struggle and I was wishing upon wish for Terry to stick one in from a corner. With that thinking in mind and our collective view that taking chances was the major problem yesterday I would play Samba alongside Terry so that we have a massive double threat from set pieces. I'm not convinced that Chester is a better defensive option anyway.
Oh yes and drop Bacuna who just didn't contribute enough even when we were playing well.
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06 August 2017 12:52 Post ID: #1706745 - in reply to #1705657
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Brighton who would have won the title if we had not stopped them in the last game of the season dropped 10 points in their first 6 games. Yes the second half yesterday was annoying but it is not the end of the world after 1 game.
Sense of proportion required.

Edited by wittonite 6/8/2017 12:54
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06 August 2017 13:26 Post ID: #1706746 - in reply to #1706745
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I agree with Holte Lower if it was a new manager and it was a one off then fair enough but it wasn't it's a continuation of where we left off . As for playing well I thought we were ok first half , Hull were so bad their fans were singing "we're fecking shit".

We could all see the equaliser coming
None of the 30k there would have played Bacuna
We could all see certain players were blowing out of their bums second half but still stayed on.

This is all down to the manager to put right but he's starting to sound like the last few blaming everything bar himself

We all want him to succeed but he seems hell bent on self destruction
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06 August 2017 13:32 Post ID: #1706747 - in reply to #1706736
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Thomas Holte - 6/8/2017 10:59

Anyone who knows me well knows I am very much a positive, glass half full type of person so it goes against the grain to criticise Steve Bruce and the coaching staff with nevertheless, constructive criticism.

I might add for the record, I support ANY Villa manager 100% because if they are doing well then Aston Villa are doing well and surely that's the important thing.

But when you have an opinion that is based on nearly 40 games that we have a manager unable get the best out of a decent squad, unable to read a game and make changes when required, makes poor decisions on team selection, asks players to play in roles they are not suited to ( square pegs in round holes has constantly been mentioned) relies on the individual skill of one striker to get him out of jail with goals because he hasn't got a system to suit his other strikers then you are fully entitled to air an opinion and it at least adds some balance to the replies from those who think he will suddenly get it right and everything will fall into place and we will score those 80 goals that Keith Wyness said is necessary to get us out of this awful league.

The only way you are going to get automatic promotion from this poxy league is to attack it with some style, arrogance and the ability to dominate games for the majority of the time. However, let's be truthful when was the last time you saw that from a defensive minded manager like Bruce on a regular basis?

Personally, I think he will be gone by Christmas and I won't in the least be happy about it because it means the club rolled the dice and yet again got it wrong with a manager. However the answer is so very simple, go out and prove that I and the other doubters are wrong and we will most happily eat our humble pie!??.....I would add that I also admire and respect people like Wurzel's positive attitude and gives us some balance in defence of Bruce which is far better than the sarcastic remarks like "whinging like a bunch of girls"

You have had 30 odd games last season plus a full pre-season so now It's over to you Steve Bruce, Colin Calderwood and Stephen Clemence, however, I just see a continuation of the last one.



Spot on, exactly where I am. So Bruce has 10 months, two transfer windows and still needs more time? Mystified. Slutsky at Hull has one game, his first in this country, and still manages to get a creditable result. With a newly-relegated team which has lost a number of players.

There were improvements over last season, but not enough. Never once in pre-season did we show that we can start scoring the number of goals that we need. And as of yet that still holds.

The team Bruce put out was the one I'd have selected, except I'd have played Green or Bjarnason instead of Bacuna (why on earth?). However, the big problem playing both Gabby and Hogan was that he didn't once play that formation in pre-season. He knew he was going to be short of forward-power, so why not get them used to being in the same team? Seems obvious to me. And if one was going to come off, as happened, why not have a forward on the bench? Davis and RHM are worth that.

Bruce has to stick with this team (except for Bacuna) in league matches, to give it a chance to develop. If he starts to chop and change like last season he has to go, ASAP.

This is the first of 5 August league matches, potentially 15 points now reduced to 13. What's the absolute minimum acceptable? I'd say we have to win 2 of the remaining 4.

Edited by McParlandTheGreat 6/8/2017 13:36
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06 August 2017 16:54 Post ID: #1706754 - in reply to #1706747
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McParlandTheGreat - 6/8/2017 13:32

Spot on, exactly where I am. So Bruce has 10 months, two transfer windows and still needs more time? Mystified. Slutsky at Hull has one game, his first in this country, and still manages to get a creditable result. With a newly-relegated team which has lost a number of


That is such a poor comparison. So your judging Slutsky positively based on yesterday? . Seriously?
Typical of the over reaction on here since yesterday and the over reactionary world of football today. Didn't Bruce have an impact when he came in?.

And yes Bruce does need more time. Get rid to early and we will reap what we sow -again.
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06 August 2017 17:18 Post ID: #1706756 - in reply to #1705657
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There's a lot been said about the mentality at our club.. a losing mentality.
It's been leveled at the players but I think it includes the fans as well.

Like some on here I have a Villa mate who talks about Bruce getting the sack if after so many games were not this or that, and when he say's it there's like a gleam of excitement in his attitude, like he wants it to happen so in his own small minded way he can say, see I told you so, I was right e.t.c. ..

Why you want your manager after manager to fail just so you an claim to being some footballing expert like some of the football pundits on tv who've never managed a football team in their life.

Really get's on my nerves and we need to change !
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06 August 2017 18:52 Post ID: #1706771 - in reply to #1705657
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Bruce hasn't even had a season with us yet. Patience is needed by all. Ten months is nothing.
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06 August 2017 20:06 Post ID: #1706789 - in reply to #1705657
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Wurzel I hope your right , really do.
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06 August 2017 20:19 Post ID: #1706792 - in reply to #1705657
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I think this squad / team will incrementally get better as the season progresses which gives me hope and assurance we will be there or thereabouts the top 2 . We have better depth , strength and resilience aswell as some decent kids on the fringes .
We have to stick with Bruce . Changing manager again would be a ridiculous move and set the club back another 12 months minimum.
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06 August 2017 20:37 Post ID: #1706800 - in reply to #1705657
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I'm all for patience and not panicking after one result, but Bruce has no excuses now, 8 of the starting lineup I believe from a quick tot up in my head were his signings and the other 3 on the pitch were his choice.
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06 August 2017 20:37 Post ID: #1706801 - in reply to #1705657
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I remember back to taylor in 87 and how we started slow but once we hit that rythem we were wicked away from home. Bruno , Daley , mcinallay, birchy.
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06 August 2017 20:38 Post ID: #1706802 - in reply to #1706801
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pvb1968 - 6/8/2017 20:37

I remember back to taylor in 87 and how we started slow but once we hit that rythem we were wicked away from home. Bruno , Daley , mcinallay, birchy.


I actually think we'll be really good away from home this year now we should have a solid defence and a few solid players in front of the back four.

It's our home form that will let us down
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06 August 2017 20:52 Post ID: #1706810 - in reply to #1706771
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Wurzel - 6/8/2017 18:52

Bruce hasn't even had a season with us yet. Patience is needed by all. Ten months is nothing.


Average tenure of managers in England just 1.23 years that was 2 years ago , I'm guessing its less now .
He's got about 5 months and if we are not challenging the top 2 old Dr twitter will bin him


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