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Nathan Baker Sold
10 November 2017 11:55 Post ID: #1723103 - in reply to #1705187
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No one would compare to the quality and class of Terry though.

I'd love him to have stayed and learned as much as he could from the experience of Terry.

However, as JW says, he probably wanted to move on to guarantee first team games. Fair enough. Shame, as he'd now be getting his chance but hey ho.
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10 November 2017 12:21 Post ID: #1723108 - in reply to #1723103
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It's funny how when a player is out injured or he moves on people tend to forget that actually, he wasn't that good and in Bakers case there was always a mistake waiting in a game to happen due to his poor positional sense and lack of concentration that often lead to him lunging into tackles in an attempt to correct a mistake and often leading to injuries.

Having said that he is still would have learned a great deal from Terry about positioning that would have improved him as a player and he would be better than most of what we have got at centre back at the moment.
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10 November 2017 13:00 Post ID: #1723115 - in reply to #1723091
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holtelower - 10/11/2017 11:23

Lets be honest here. By some of the comments it sounds like we let go Puyol on a free.

For all I like Baker, he is no John Terry. He is playing for Bristol City, he has played 11 games conceding 10 goals.

Yes Bristol are flying, but is it because of Baker ?. I think not.

Jedinak at centre half is a miles better option than Baker - and I mean MILES !


Come on, is Baker to blame for every goal BC concede? BC have conceded 16 goals this season, our much vaunted defence have conceded 15, only 1 less. Our defence last season with Baker in it was one of the meanest in the division.

On those figures Baker was worthy of his place. Jedi has played at CB once and no way do we know how he would work out.

With Terry coming in, Baker decided to take the chance of regular football and go. Full marks to him. But it would have been better for us if he'd stayed. As Terry is unlikely to stay after next summer we have a medium term problem; after his injury we have a short term one as well.
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27 December 2017 16:15 Post ID: #1730597 - in reply to #1723091
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holtelower - 10/11/2017 11:23

Jedinak at centre half is a miles better option than Baker - and I mean MILES !


He really isn't .
Selling Baker was an act of lunacy . Terry and Samba were never going to stay fit .
Baker was good enough to force his way into the team , as he's proving now at 2nd placed Bristol City
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27 December 2017 16:34 Post ID: #1730598 - in reply to #1705187
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He wouldn't have got a game under Bruce.
He did the right thing as an actual professional (as opposed to shite like richards/gabby) in moving to get a game.
Any of the youngsters with talent and/or ambition would also be better moving whilst Bruce is in place tbh
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27 December 2017 16:37 Post ID: #1730599 - in reply to #1705187
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I like Baker and would loved for him to have stayed but again he wanted the move. He'd have been sat on the bench most of this season if he'd stayed whereas he's a regular in a very good Bristol side. The real crime is thinking that Samba and Elphick were anywhere near good enough back up. Samba is injury prone and Elphick proved last night that he can look decent then go do something Incredibly stupid.
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27 December 2017 17:10 Post ID: #1730607 - in reply to #1705187
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I can’t agree that Jedinak is a better option than Baker, the two Sheff Utd goals would’ve been row Z if Baker was on the field.

In the pecking order, Baker was clearly a better option than Samba, elphick or Jedi. Elphick is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen in a villa top, given we’ve had some top defenders in my lifetime I wouldn’t let elphick lick the boots of God or Mellberg.
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27 December 2017 17:20 Post ID: #1730610 - in reply to #1705187
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So long as Terry was fit Baker was never going to get a look in. Full marks to him for rejecting the bench option. Certainly the best for him and I'm glad it's working out for him. One big factor is that he's working for a better manager than any he's had in the past.

We really had a choice between Terry and Baker. Probably Terry was the right choice; Baker was unlikely to improve while he stayed here. Also, at Bristol he seems to get injured far less often.

However, with Terry here, it's a great opportunity to get Suliman involved and for Terry's influence to rub off. That's what we should be concentrating on, not Samba or Elphick. Or using Jedi instead.
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27 December 2017 17:28 Post ID: #1730611 - in reply to #1705187
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Said before in this thread, I liked him, full bloodied player, thought he could learn a lot off John Terry but no, we went for an old, injury prone (and so it has proved... and yes, Nathan got a fair few I realise) mercenary to replace him.

Forget where I've read it, must be facebook or twitter, but the guy said his Bristol City fan mate says they love him there and that he isn't picking up so many injuries.

What we don't know is could he have been pursuaded his future lay here, if not, fair enough, he left on his own terms.
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27 December 2017 17:44 Post ID: #1730612 - in reply to #1705187
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He isn't getting injured as much as he isn't having to put his body on the line there with last ditch crunching challenges as he has a midfield ahead of him that protects the backline and doesn't have calamities like our midfielders seem to conjure up on a regular basis .

Whatever way you look at it we allowed him to leave and replaced him with Chris Samba FFS.
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27 December 2017 17:47 Post ID: #1730616 - in reply to #1723115
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holtelower - 10/11/2017 11:23

Jedinak at centre half is a miles better option than Baker - and I mean MILES !



An aging midfielder who was woeful the other night and conceded at least one of the two goals is miles better than a young, hungry full bloodied player?

I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Baker was a central defender, Jedinak is not.. he's not miles better, he's disastrous at the back.
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27 December 2017 18:03 Post ID: #1730625 - in reply to #1705187
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Another crime is that Easah Suliman hasn't been involved more. What better person to learn from than John Terry, we should have handcuffed the lad to Terry and have him learn as much as possible. Instead he's barely had a look in, one sub appearance vs Wigan in the cup. Samba is injury prone, Elphick is error prone, Richards is both and non of them will be at the club next season. Suliman will, and if we're in the championship he will shoot up the pecking order without a minute of championship football.
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