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Villa In No More Long Ball Shocker!
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Posted 17/7/2012 10:35
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The shortest article on Vital ever... but sometimes only a very few words are needed.

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Posted 17/7/2012 11:13
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Funny as his Norwich team played the most long balls last season LOL

http://thinkfootball.co.uk/norwichs-direct-style-of-play-is-paying-...

Much of Norwich’s success is as noted down to tactics, specifically the fact that they employ a direct style of play that has surprisingly seen them play more long balls than any other side in the Premier League. Their emphasis on long balls plays to their strengths as Grant Holt and Morrison are able to hold the ball up upfront and bring midfield players such as Pilkington into play, which has seen the two forwards contribute 6 assists between them as well as 15 goals.


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Posted 17/7/2012 11:17
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Every team in the world, yes even Barca play the long ball sometimes, it is a genuine tactic but, I don't want to see it happening everytime our defence has the ball, as seemed to be happening last season.
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Posted 17/7/2012 11:18
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There is a difference between playing to your strengths and merely hoofing it.

We don't have a big target man, so no point playing the long ball. I am hoping PL has realised this also.
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Posted 17/7/2012 11:21
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They played the most long balls, its there in black and white.

everyone says "we are playing to our strengths" when they do it.
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Posted 17/7/2012 11:26
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Prepared mate I think the difference between when Norwich did it and when we did it is, Norwichs long balls normally went to their own player, who held it up and either scored, had a shot at goal, or set up an oncoming midfielder. When we have done it, the long ball wasn't aimed, it was to all intents and purposes a hoof ball.
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Posted 17/7/2012 11:29
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If El Ahmadi or whoever plays a fifty yard pass straight to his target is that classed as a long ball by the statisticians though ? I mean what constitutes a long ball for the purpose of stats ?
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Posted 17/7/2012 11:35
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sirdennis - 17/7/2012 11:29

If El Ahmadi or whoever plays a fifty yard pass straight to his target is that classed as a long ball by the statisticians though ? I mean what constitutes a long ball for the purpose of stats ?


The long ball (or hoof) as they call it in the profession is generally a ball hit with the intent of getting the ball away whilst giving the defenders a 20 second rest before possession is lost and they have to regain composure before the next hoof.
Quote for reference Aston Villa 2019-2012 inclusive.

A pass on the other hand reaches a player wearing the same shirt as the passee, usually not a Villa player, however things may change.
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Posted 17/7/2012 11:37
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Gerrard plays a lot of long balls. Mind you, they usually get to a bloke in the same colour shirt as him.
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Posted 17/7/2012 11:39
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We've been used to hoofing the ball up field to no-one in particular, for someone to chase. A defence splitting long ball is a completely different kettle of fish.

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Posted 17/7/2012 12:14
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Lambert didnt say he doesnt like long balls that go to the opposition, he said he doesnt like long balls.

I just said that his norwich team played the most long balls... whether it went to a player or the oppo is irrelevant
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Posted 17/7/2012 12:37
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Perhaps their players were more capable of passing the ball 50 yards and finding their target than most.
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Posted 17/7/2012 12:40
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They were, still classed as a long ball though and Lambo hates em
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Posted 17/7/2012 12:54
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Not liking it and seeing it is an option that favours the players you have are two distinct and different things.

I'm sure if he had had the money at Norwich he would have bought players capable of playing the ball on the floor more. He didn't - accepted that the long ball would benefit their team the most - used it as a tool to try and win games.

To me, that is proper Management, not trying to shoehorn a team into your system that doesn't work, just because you dislike it.
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Posted 17/7/2012 13:13
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If we played short passing football every time we would become too predictable and all a team would have to do is close us down and keep it tight and we wouldn't be able to play and end up like Spain trying to get through Greeces defence.

On the other hand Lambert is known for his tactic changing in play, and even changes formation 2-3 times within a game which is what you need as a lot of teams cannot do that, and we actually have quite a lot of players who can player a number of different roles.

So if we did play tippy tappy football and we got closed down and marked so tightly we would could feel the other guys wanga I suggest it's a good idea to be able to search the long ball over the top of them when they are exposed and have the likes of N.Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Holman and Bent racing onto it behind the enemy's line.
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