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Bruce Doubters Continue - No Strikers With 2 On The Bench?

Bruce Doubters Continue - No Strikers With 2 On The Bench?

The doubts are still there after another poor performance by Villa on Saturday v Derby County.

Another decent post from our forum, (Match thread - Click Here), worthy of front paging.

I know some think a few losses and 'everyone` is on the managers back, but actually the vast majority of the doubters aren`t rabid anti-Bruce fans, they just want to see a bit of decent football or at least some top results. I believe we have 2 points from the top five this season. That`s awful. Injuries are a problem but then, I saw a tweet earlier that puts pay a little to that.

McParlandTheGreat said:

Bottom line: playing as we are we don't have a serious chance of going up. We might yet just scrape the playoffs, but we don't look capable of beating ANY of the teams who might also be there. If by some fluke we did get promoted, we haven't got the basis of a team which could survive the PL, and more signings won't help. We need a step change in the way we play, not more players shoved into our current dire approach.

We have a pretty good defence, and that's about it. We have some good individuals further forwards, but they aren't set up to crack the opposition defences. The movement is far too slow, and because of it we end up holding on the ball for too long then giving it away. We don't do plans; we don't do what nearly every other manager does which is look at the opposition and work out the best way to crack it. We keep on playing the favoured players when they're clearly not doing it, and ignoring the other talent which could add some zip to our performances.

I was hoping we'd be at least near the top of the playoffs come the new year. As it is, I'd be extremely surprised if we're there at all.

This isn't going to change. A few loan signings in the window won't change things. Bruce has had long enough. We can't afford to wait until next summer. Bruce can probably expect the remainder of this year to pull things around but if he hasn't then I think he has to go. We need to be able to look forwards to the future, not sit back and accept our fate.

Read more: (Match thread - Click Here),

A user, DR on our VV facebook added:

Time for the negative one to take a walk. Appalling, negative football allied to baffling team selections - why play a hopelessly out of form midfield player as a lone striker? Because the manager would have been happy with a draw.

He does not have the mentality to be a successful Villa manager, a year of the most mind numbing performances I have witnessed in my 45 years of going to Villa games is enough.

We need to get out of this division this year however Bruce will repeat last years mid table position at best.

Chieftoast added in the forum:

If we have the tools at our disposal... (and spent millions getting them i.e. Hogan) surely it's the workman that's at fault for not using the tools successfully? I like Bruce but he's making it hard to defend him by not playing a recognised striker but having 2 on the bench.

I don't understand how we never have a plan B ... every team is different to play against. Someone on the coaching staff needs to look at the teams we're playing and find their weakness - if they struggle with big centre forwards, play Davis and a formation that suits. If they have big but slow centre backs, play Hogan and give him thru balls. Leeds realised we were a little dodgy on crosses after making mistakes coming up to their game so their corners were sent into 6yrd box putting Johnstone under pressure. Someone did their homework. What do our coaches do? We're predictable to play against.

We have the tools- different types of footballers... but always the same tactics. Football isn't rocket science, surely the professional athletes can cop of we play this formation, play this way.... play that formation play that way.


Thoughts Villans? I still think we might plod our way to the play-offs and then once there, who knows? It`s a lottery. BUT I don`t like going up via play-offs, you need a proper momentum to stand a chance of going up and then staying up. I do not ever, ever, ever, want to see Villa become a yo-yo club.

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Writer:McParland, DR, ChiefToast, The Fear!
Date:Monday December 18 2017
Time: 11:22AM


Fed up of being fed up if I'm honest. Not too much to ask to go to matches with some confidence is it?
The Fear
18/12/2017 11:28:00
Every time we lose a couple of games on the spin, all the drama about Bruce being a dinsoaur and clueless starts. I said on Saturday, if any other club who were 5th in the league wanted to sack their manager, we would be laughing our heads off at them calling them deluded. Bruce messed up on Saturday - I have no idea why he thought Onomah up top was a good idea. But if he had played Gabby the same people would be slating him for that instead. Cardiff may have a few injuries as well, but I'd argue JT, Jedi and Kodjia are our 3 most important players. At the moment we are completely reliant on Davis having a good game, if he's off form we look useless. We 100% need to get another target man in during the January window to take the pressure off Davis - do that and we will see an upturn in our form again.
18/12/2017 14:49:00
I understand what you are saying garygaryshaw. You get SOME who were anti him from the start and always come back out louder. However, the football is woeful at the moment, apart from the odd good performance like v QPR and for me, those good performances then make the woeful stuff like v Millwall even worse. It's all pretty average at the moment, still hope he can get things to click and he did come in while we were a mess, but we should be playing better than this now surely mate?
The Fear
18/12/2017 15:19:00
The formation may have worked had Onamah been bothered , but the last 3 games he hasn't turned up.
18/12/2017 15:50:00
He's never been known for building good footballing teams though, I knew when he came on board he was going to make us difficult to beat and a team that grinds results out. Its not always great to watch, but I'm only interested in winning promotion at the moment. A few games back people were saying we were starting to click and look likely to be pushing Cardiff for 2nd spot - I just think we are in a dip of form, which isn't being helped by some of our better players being out injured. The only concern I have is that we do seem to fold too easily against the better teams in the division - although we have battled back from going behind at both Leeds and Bristol City.
18/12/2017 16:24:00
I have to say, I get absolutely no pleasure or satisfaction from watching us play. I don'r expect us to play like Man City or Barcelona, but nor do I expect us to struggle against the calibre of teams we are facing week in, week out. Our record is appalling against our immediate rivals, and if we can't beat them in the league matches, what chance do we have of beating them in the play-offs?
18/12/2017 16:32:00
we aren't good enough says it all when you are relying on terry and jedi to get back wtf they are 2 old players who have had the best days Kodjia is the big miss coz hes only one who knows where the goal his that Hogan hes no good then you are relying on loanees ,well snotgrass was any good he would be here on loan and training other teams kids his awful train yer own .Playoffs you are having a laff whoever makes top 6 for play offs probly see us as the soft option .
Nerrad Villa
18/12/2017 17:08:00
Agree Gary G Shaw, if Gabby had been on, the same people would have slated Bruce for that. That does not mean their opinion can be dismissed, anymore than dismissing fans views because they like Bruce. The point is it is valid. It matters not a jot whether fans saw Bruce as the bees knees, or never wanted him. Criticisms of Onamah and Gabby are legitimate points, almost everyone recognises. The defence of Bruce you use is that he's done it before, and it may be ugly, but he will grind us a way out of the Championship. While most fans would like more attractive, attacking play, if we were having good ugly performances, whether parking the bus and nicking wins on the break, or playing hoof-ball, because it suited our strengths, I and most fans would be happy if it delivers results and gets us out of this league. BUT, whatever football we are playing, too often we are just playing it poorly. Outplayed by the likes of Brentford and Millwall, not bothering with a real plan to beat Blues, scraped wins against Bolton, no wins against anyone decent away from home (Preston had a one off injury stricken defence), and well beaten by our main rivals. Performances DO count. Ugly or attractive, they still need to be good! We have often been lucky to get the points we have, with Sam Johnstone often MoM. One or two substitutions often change a game. Ditto picking one bad player from the start. The difference between a win or loss can be down to having one duff or out of form player replaced. So if we start with Onamah, on a bad run, or Gabby, on a terrible run, our manager, for all his deficiencies, is enraging fans who feel each point lost will be vital at the end of the season.
18/12/2017 21:58:00
I'm afraid I can't take anymore of managers who come to Villa and try to make changes then revert to players who just arn't good enough, sorry all you Gabby fans he should never play for Villa's 1st XI again, its the exactly whats hold youngsters back and if I was a younger Villa player I'd be looking at options because it appears you won't get your chances that you deserve at B6. Younger players by the time they are 19/20 should be able to meet the rigours of top flight football, most have been training and in the system for years yet when they come out of our academy the look under prepared.
19/12/2017 00:12:00
We won't make the playoffs our record against the top teams is rubbish and we have scraped past the weaker teams for me it's the management i know we have injuries but if we were set up right we are still good enough
cradley villa
19/12/2017 21:02:00
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