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Stick or Twist?

midbedsvillan01 asks do Villa stick or twist?

Having watched the debacle at Millwall last night I thought I would wait for the furore to die down before I threw in my threepennyworth.

As what is probably our darkest hour since the late sixties appears to be approaching at a rapid rate of knots, I would ask this question should we stick with Lambert or should we change again?

Having been on the terraces during every relegation the Villa have suffered since the 58/59 season history seems to say changing the manager has little effect in changing the fortunes of teams in decline.

From when Joe Mercer took over from Eric Houghton, Cummings from Taylor and Docherty from Cummings. We stuck with Mercer when we were relegated he had a young team and he got us back. They stuck with Vic Crowe when we relegated to Division 3 in 69/70. He got us back. I know things in both financial and football terms are different now but I believe the fundamentals are still the same change is not always the answer.

Lambert has had the team for 5 months they have gone from the next best thing to sliced bread after the Liverpool game to apparently the worst team ever to put football boots for team, and Lambert from one of the up and coming coaches to one who hasn't a clue.

For people to suggest that most of these players couldn't give a toss about the club is most cases I believe is stupid most of the team are extremely young in Premier League terms and most are trying to make a future for themselves if they get it wrong they can very quickly end up as journeyman players in the lower leagues or non league as has proven in the past.

Whilst what is happening at the moment is not at all pleasant and relegation is a distinct threat and would be very depressing it is not Armageddon.

Paul Lambert is a proven coach moulding young players into teams that have been promoted to the top flight of English football, what he has been asked to do at Villa is to backwards engineer a team in the top flight to be able to remain there in one season after two seasons of decline and to do it in one season.

STICK OR TWIST?




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Writer: midbedsvillan01 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday January 26 2013

Time: 2:00PM

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I's great what he's trying to do... but does he have to do it so quickly? he could of gradually integrated a younger team, but he hasn't. In his arrogance all our experience is benched, sold or loaned out and the end result is a poor team only 1 point outside of relegation.
Zarch
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26/01/2013 14:15:00

midbeds, i have been blaming more so the cutbacks on the wages front by the board over the last two years tbh which have been too much too soon and deprived Villa of our Premier League status imo, and not blaming all the troubles on Lambert, but the players HE chose in the summer was a massive gamble that has backfired imenseley so he ahs to take the brunt of the stick,i would TWIST and go for John Gregory and LionHeart as his assistant would do the job, or a Curbishley til the summer and apppoint a better manager,
clivethevillan
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26/01/2013 14:18:00

Stick and we go down. Twist and we might, MIGHT still have time to stay up.
jonah
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26/01/2013 14:18:00

Stick ...... I trust him to get it right, 20 odd games, with a squad that three quarters of which he has inherited, is not enough time to turn a whole club round. No quick fixes in football, just ones that prolong an inevitable decline. I'm glad he hasen't panicked in the window too and brought in someone they don't really want. Zarch, we've had these so called experienced players for the last two seasons and theyve done no different in league terms under three managers now. I believe that in three years time we will all be wondering what the fuss was all about and hailing him for what he has done for us. It's really hard to be positive and I'm nervous at every game but it needed doing three years ago so we will have to ride it out and hold on tight. UTV
astonmilan
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26/01/2013 14:26:00

that's a fair call astonmilan. however I would rate playing the experience of the inexperence as a safer option. Build a buffer in terms of points, then experiment.
Zarch
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26/01/2013 14:31:00

i am sorry but Lambert is not a great coach and he is a terrible tactician , i mean have you been watching the games, 4 forwards no wingers, takes off our best player at 65 mins, same last night takes off Weimann and puts Bowery on who is not even championship class, i really want us to be ok and Lambert to, but he has lost the plot, the job is well above him. he is lost and he should be removed as soon as possible but of course same old story who would we replace him with . so i guess he will stay until we go down
andy3221
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26/01/2013 14:42:00

No hoice but to stick. The money our club has wasted on paying usless managers off in recent years could have bought 3 or 4 real quality premier league players. This is the price we pay for having people who do not have a f****g clue about running our wonderful football club running it. Imagine a FOOTSIE 250 business employing people who know **** all about thier business running heir company. And the suit who was on radio WM last night sounded like Mr Corporate with Randy as a ventriloquist doing the talking. Shameful days! All together now: "And its Aston Villa, Aston Villa FC, The fastest decline in football the world has ever seen" Repeat, repeat until the end of the season!! UTV
WentToRotterdam
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26/01/2013 15:18:00

Stick! We well find out what PL and Villa's Young team are really made of over the next few months. There's nothing bigger then a Relegation battle with the hole press against you. I feel the London press can't wait to put the needle in the coffin. Hopefully we can rise to the occasion. What happened to Young & Hungry.
Blitz
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26/01/2013 15:40:00

Having a young side / poor players, does not excuse poor tactics...Lambert has shown very poor tactical know how. We're down already, may as well get a decent manager now rather than later. Twist.
MASON_PARKER
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26/01/2013 16:16:00

Stick, - i trust both of them.
Lost_In_Ca
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26/01/2013 16:47:00

Stick... He will get it right.
Dominic22
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26/01/2013 16:48:00

Yep. Stick. Better the devil you know. After fatboy Faulkner and clueless Randy's past appointments, we'd probably end up with McCarthy or Souness. Patience fellow Villans will reward us ( I hope!!!)
Villan444
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26/01/2013 16:55:00

Personally I would stick. Believe me thats unusual for me to say. PL said this was never going to be a quick fix job from the start so I believe it is wrong to critisise him after only 20 odd games into his tenure. You cant solve a long term job in the short term. We all see what he is trying to do but we've reached a crucial time in the season so we need to all stick together and get behind the boys and PL.
WukkyAVFC
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26/01/2013 17:08:00

Twist - noone could do worse and keeping Lambert simply means that the decline will go on longer and the damage will be greater
AVbornandbred
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26/01/2013 17:35:00

I haven't got a clue. However, re Lerner, we'll change "the game" to Monopoly - go direct to jail, do not collect 200 quid!
Pride of Lions
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26/01/2013 18:00:00

Im pretty sure we will be getting relegated this season however things change quickly. Like you say we were on fire then instantly have shockers! Just have to pray it changes back again. All is not lost yet. However what is worrying is that every team is buying around us!
Greenslade92
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26/01/2013 18:04:00

If we stick I expect us to be having this discussion in 12 months time as we tat around mid table in the Championship. Very poor appointment. Lets twist again, like we did last summer.
cropped
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26/01/2013 19:25:00

Just heard about Lambert ignoring Matt Kendrick of the Birmingham Mail at the press conference, that sums it up for me Lambert is a t@@t , who does he think he is Sir Alex! Just because the mail wrote something he didn't like , we'll acting like a small child suits him I guess
andy3221
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26/01/2013 19:48:00

Stick. Well put midbeds. Loads is to do with confidence going down the pan, not just not being good enough. Many have proved they have the quality, but are now playing well below themselves - with each defeat seemingly another tightening of the screw and their nerves. We all know the gaping problems of left back and a midfield general that do need to be solved, but solve them and the improvement would be substantial and the confidence of others would return. Doubling up on the left flank might help, even yet another youngster, Williams, maybe. But with no big money signing we must at least pull a loan signing out of the bag who would have the kind of Keano influence (both of them) on the midfield. Pity Barry isn't langushing in City's reseves, but some old hand is needed. Stick with PL but we cannot stick with the current midfield.
stennyvilla
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26/01/2013 19:56:00

PMSL Cropped dude, ''lets twist agin like we did last summer'' LOL That is quality and has cheered me up by making me cry of laughter LOL Cheers dude! ;}
clivethevillan
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26/01/2013 20:07:00

Get rid. Bring in David Platt
PiperUK
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26/01/2013 20:11:00

LionHeart JG would be my combo, and Big Ron or GT on the board, then i would rst assured Villa will be safe and rebuild next season!
clivethevillan
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26/01/2013 20:58:00

Stick. Can understand people saying sack him ,but its too late,the 7th cavalry aint coming.All weve got is him and the kids.All we can do for the rest of the the season is get behind them like never before,and maybe miricles will happen, but sacking PLwont change anything.Any new bloke coming in would want time and money,thats two things we aint got.If i could get rid of anyone itd be RL ,the blokes probably holed up in the black hills of Dakota,hoping Villa, the Cleveland Browns and his ex misses will all go away like a bad dream.Message to Randy ,well still be here long after youve gone dont ***** with our club.utv
fc bongobongo
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27/01/2013 00:08:00

Twist. I like him and thought he would do it for us, but he has been an unmitigated disaster. I just don't think he can atone for the multiple humiliations that have been inflicted upon us this season. Even the previous manager didn't humiliate us as much as this one.
Rawlie
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27/01/2013 04:12:00

it's pretty simple twist we may stay up , stick and we go down and become the next Leeds or worse Pompey .
Villan57
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27/01/2013 12:16:00

I seen this today in the telegraph .. thought it was interesting http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9829476/Aston-Villa-fans-showing-their-quality-by-standing-by-Paul-Lambert-during-difficult-times.html
Colonius81
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27/01/2013 17:12:00

Stick, If we want a different result, lets try a different action. lol in terms of fans reaction though i laugh to myself sometimes. houllier it was tippy tappy footbally .. the banners go up.. McLeish it was dour defensive football with overpaid deadwood with no heart being selected. fire him we cried... Lambert, we sang his name we got the youngest team in the prem and some cavalier attacking at times yet atrocious defending Now we say fire him and get the experienced "deadwood" from last season to play ... lol if there is one thing I think we should admit to ourselves as villa fans is that we want villa to be succesful .. here and now and to hell with logic or medium term memory and simple math applied to finances .. ! I include myself in this rebuke too! I want it all yesterday! But lets bite the bullet - STICK - different approach. there are worse managers and its january not May...
Colonius81
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27/01/2013 17:21:00

Cannot understand for the life of me why we didnt bring in a couple of quality players on loan,yes I understand everyone saying we must not make panic buys of players looking for a last pay cheque with you all the way on that but loans mean we do not have to keep them. Yes I would stick with Lambert just wish he would cease with the "We pick ourselves up" quote we do that many more times and we will sound like a dry cleaners. Have resigned myself to relegation whoever the manager is the owner seems satisfied to sit back and let it happen,wonder will he think the same in 12 months time when his investment shrinks by half.
Merlin128777
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28/01/2013 10:56:00

 

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