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Why Are Fellow Villans Just Standing By?

Why Are Fellow Villans Just Standing By?

Well, it is a quiet news day and a thread in Vital Villa`s forum has at least kicked off some passion. So I might as well link to it!

He`sbiggerthanyouandme posted Will we just stand by and let this club sink?:

"As a fan of this wonderful club that's the question I'm asking myself and I'm wondering how many other fans are too? regardless of who's fault you think it is, the fact is we're getting worse and worse every year, nothing this administration has tried is working and the new manager is struggling, we've hounded out the last two managers but we've had a worst start this year than we did under them, so what's the message with that? is Lambert a worse manager than Houllier and McLeish? or is the board sucking the life out of this club?

Right now we seem to be accepting the situation because of the tough run of games, but when do the excuses stop? we've got another tough run soon against Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs so are we going to sit back and say 'oh well we never had a chance anyway' while our club still remains in the bottom three?

Whether you love Randy because he took over from Doug or like Lambert because anything is better than Eck, i think it's time we PUT THE CLUB we love first now, because what they are doing just isn't working and we're being made to suffer week after week, i think we as fans need to start putting pressure on the club, what have we got to lose? an owner that can't even be bothered to attend games anymore? a manager who is getting outshined by his replacement at Norwich? i don't think we have anything to lose at all."


It all gets a bit heated in the forum thread, but hey, at least the passion is there from the fans. Thread: Will we just stand by and let this club sink?

For me, it is totally and utterly the wrong time to even think of protesting and far far toooooo early in the reign of Paul Lambert to be losing our nerve or looking to move him on. I didn`t share the excitement of some this summer and did say that I feared with the sort of purchases we were making, that we might once again be in a relegation battle. However I can see the longer term gains of what they are all attempting. For me, it was just a bit too quick and the main worry is the lack of experience and leadership. The young lads needed some older heads to steer them through surely?

But then, there is January transfer window to look forward to!

It is our worst start in over four decades, however I must say, the positivity of so many fans seems unshaken by this start, looks like Paul Lambert really will get a period of grace. How long for? Depends on results I guess.

Never dull being a Villa fan is it?! The main focus for me is Reading, QPR, Stoke and Wigan games. If we get anything from the other matches, fantastic, but we simply can`t lose those games.

Click here to join in the debate on the club forum.

Writer:J P Fear
Date:Thursday November 22 2012
Time: 10:31AM


Personally, I appreciate the passion and desire but its a non starter. WE all knew this was a complete rebuilding job in footballing terms. We were not going to be mid-table after 12 games, given that we have rebuilt our back 4 and brought 6-7 new first team players in. We were well on our way to rock bottom and now we are feeling our way out of that. It will come and I still think we will finish around lower mid table\mid table at a push. If we are bottom after Christmas then time I''ll put my hands in the air then. The manager has my complete backing at least until January the 31st, after the transfer window has closed. Until then I'm Claret and Blue, singing for Paul Lambert's Claret and Blue army wherever we go.
22/11/2012 10:45:00
I am not sure there is much the fans can actually do. Lerner wants the club to make a profit and that is that. I thought last year's protests were a bit pathetic and contributed to Villa's problems. The £-sign protest was at least clear and avoided too many offensive close-ups of Villa fans, but last year - yuck! So protest are best avoided. The only thing I would like to see, hear and read, is the fans not sucking up to Lerner. I just can't stand that. The honeymoon is over and he just does not love us any more. I am fed-up with people qualifying every criticism with some reference to what he did. No manager is gifted such sentiment. Doug Ellis never is and he achieved more. So less syrup and spin from those who say the opposite when they think the club aren't listening. Villa's predicament requires grown-up realism not stupid sentiment and recycled spin from the club. These are bad times for Villa and the future does not hold out much hope for much better.
22/11/2012 11:19:00
I think those who appreciate we are in transition are the ones showing "grown-up realism". Randy, unlike some chairmen and owners outside the rich 4 or 5 has realized that throwing money at the situation would put the club at risk. I totally agree with OnMeHeadFred in as much as protests are best avoided. He`sbiggerthanyouandme - name one example where protests have had a positive effect on the club long term?
22/11/2012 11:52:00
I don't want to get in to an argument with other Villa Fans about loyalty and all that other crap (I'm a better fan than you yada yada yada....)because ultimately we all want the Villa to be successful. We all want to be able to watch games without peering in horror through a gap in our fingers. However. it was obvious when the window closed we lacked the experience or nouse to do anything but struggle this season and I stated it at the time. There is nothing wrong with buying lower league/young players if they are supplemented with quality and experience. Ours aren't! Several times this season these players have appeared to be 'star stuck' by the opposition. Imagine the scenario if you will - A team of established premier league players is drawn in the cup to play a side containing multiple football league players that has a couple of older foreigners in the side with little experience of English football. Who would you expect to win? That's right, 9/10 times the established side wins. On the other occasion the football league players can raise their game and pull off a SHOCK win. We were even played off the park by Norwich and Southampton for Christ's sake! (Sorry for the blasphemy). The fact that we have had our expectations lowered so far, and that any victory we pick up is viewed as a shock by everyone including Villa fans, is a disgrace. I want to believe in what is happening at Villa Park and will always support the club. But if something looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck you need to call it a duck! This current side/squad is nowhere near good enough and unless this is addressed early in January we will be down with the scum. Arsene Wenger gets grief about his vanity project at Arsenal. For refusing to buy established players and trying to win with players he has developed. How long can Lambert continue with his budget version of this at the Villa? His hands may be tied by Randy but if this is the case he needs to say so. They both have their hands on the tiller of a ship heading for a huge iceberg and will both be accountable if the worst happens. VTID!
heavy d
22/11/2012 12:06:00
Can't even begin to judge Lambert until the end of the season, and it will probably be unfair to judge him in less than two seasons. Fans are fickle idiots (no offence lads :) we win one game we're great, we lose the next game we're terrible, a player has one good game he's brilliant, he has one bad game he is woeful.
22/11/2012 13:20:00
Its silly to even suggest this is PLs fault or that he is a contributor to any of our problems... I like Chris H partly because he has some Irish in him but he is a good manager however he took over a diverse and capable Norwich side that PL had TIME to BUILD over THREE seasons... Im with Grizzly on this one as well but Im extending my support to mid-feb... The problem for me is RL is placing too much emphasis on being financially right and looking too far into the future those Financial Fair Play rules are a joke and next season we will see serious money from the TV... But then he owns the club and has every right to say we should be more sustainable... Unless some minor miracles are performed we wont challenging for the title because football is money driven these days so sit tight and hope being smart with money pays off...
22/11/2012 13:24:00
Agree with Grizzly and Fred. Fair play rules will not affect us even slightly as we're never going to get near the European spots for a few years at least (and that's with major investment.) PL has shown that he has what it takes. Randy has shown that he has enough monies but doesn't want to spend it on us. Did the he naively really think that he'd make money from a soccer club. Villaiain, Randy has stopped spending because he's tight and not a carefree billionaire as he led us to believe once upon a time. Nothing to do with realising that he'd put the club at risk or he would've done that before he wasted loads on MON's players. By taking all the assets out of the team (including the panic buy of Bencht,) and therefore nullifying our ability to get to 40 points comfortably, he is putting the club at risk.
22/11/2012 13:42:00
We can either be like Chelsea & sack managers. Have you heard Benitez has gone, hasn't won a trophy since last night ! Or we can be like Everton & build a decent team even if it takes a while. I personally will back PL even if we go down. I'd rather go down ,let Lambert build & come back stronger (even if it means losing marque players) than carry on as we have been doing .
22/11/2012 13:44:00
Bang on Saurat - PL was the man most on here were shouting for, and PL we were given, and i'm confident that he is the man to bring the club forward - slowly. Unless a minor miracle happens, we wont jump up the league 10 places a season - Eck left us with a club, not just above the relegation zone, but bottom of the form table in the second half of the season. That means in real terms we've actually improved 2 spaces with a slightly weaker team than last season. There are however green shoots (Irelands form, Benteke & some of the younger lads looking promising), but it will take longer than most fans are prepared to wait. I'll give PL my full support for the minimum of the rest of the season. We will be ok, but dont expect eurpoe anytime soon :/
22/11/2012 13:48:00
Understand the writers sentiments but as heavy d says we all want the best for Villa. Am not going to limit my support for Lambert as I believe he is a good manager with a hell of a difficult job to do given what he was presented with when he came to the club. In my many years of supporting the club can only think of one chairman I actually liked Mr R.Bendall . Big problem at the moment in football is there are not many billionaires floating around and there are far to many undesirables looking for a fast buck. We have chopped and changed managers at Villa over the years how many were good or great apart from Saunders not sure but given the financial backing and our support I feel Lambert will at least prove to be a good manager. Heard a few opinions now on how Randy is "supposed" to feel about us e.g. no longer cares truth is we dont know because RL doesnt say a lot to the press,but it wouldnt hurt to let us know if he does now and again and preferable not via his mouthpiece.
22/11/2012 14:00:00
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