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They Think it's All Over......Why?

I write this article because I have been puzzled by the reaction of some fans after the first 2 games of the season. Let me say that again, slowly and clearly....the FIRST....TWO.....GAMES.....of the season.

While I understand that most supporters are on board with the new manager and his long-term plans for the club, we still have a following who Tweet/post before they think.

Okay, we`ve lost the first 2 games of the new season, humbled at home by an inspired Everton side and prior to that, beaten by a Sam Allardyce team which will always be renowned for its physical approach to the game. However, why some people are throwing in the towel already is beyond me.

Paul Lambert himself took full responsibility for the Everton result (a brave new direction compared to that taken by the previous manager) and will no doubt be working hard to ensure that we can put some points on the board sooner rather than later. Personally, I feel that Shay Given should take a look in the mirror and ask himself whether he has what it takes to be a keeper at the top level any more; mediocre last season, below-par at the Euros and has been at fault for goals a couple of times already. With Brad Guzan back to bash the door down for the no.1 spot, he must surely be in with a shout. But I digress.

So where do people feel that we are lacking? "We need more signings and experience" seems to be the main grumble among most supporters. The big question is, realistically, who is there available to us that will fit in with Lambert`s criteria? He has stated clearly that he wants players who want to play for Aston Villa for a reasonable wage, so when fans question why we haven`t gone in for Adam Johnson or Junior Hoilett, think about their pay-packets. Adam Johnson will be handsomely paid by MON for his services regardless of whether he performs or not, and Hoilett has jumped on a snowballing wage bandwagon called QPR which could soon spiral out of control and destroy a small village in London. There`s no doubt that we need more strength in depth, but lashing out 15m each on a handful of players shouldn`t be the answer, and it is frustrating to see that certain fans still haven`t grasped the concept that less is more. I`d rather see an underrated Bosman signing bleeding for the cause instead of a talented 15m charlie or trick pony who only turns up when he likes.

Media pressure also doesn`t help. When Sky Sports or Match of The Day report that we`ve made our worst ever start to a league campaign or that we`re bottom of the league AFTER 2 GAMES, logic should reign supreme and suggest that leagues are won and lost over a period of 38 games. Instead, these words creep into the hearts of most supporters and the trolling begins; what is PL thinking? Why didn`t this player start? Why didn`t we do this? Why didn`t we sign them? People swallow the journalist articles and believe the words as gospel, causing Villans across the city, the country, hell, even the world, to take on preconceptions that haven`t yet been proven and only serve to upset the applecart. The reality is that 2 games have passed, and in all likelihood Mr. Lambert has probably suggested that the shortlist for targets be reviewed after the first few games. Why the panic?

Finally, one last reality check; we will not be making huge progress this season. 16th and above will be an achievement. We will not be pushing for top 4 or Europa League places, even after 5 wins on the bounce. Equally, we will not be getting relegated if we lose the next 3 games in a row. The whole idea of Lambert`s appointment was that he is a hungry young manager who needs time and patience to build his own team and get the boys playing the Lambert way. This will happen in due time, but fans need to be patient. Like any good relationship, it takes a lot of hard work, perseverance and dedication to make it successful, through good times and bad. Let the media spin its wheel and sell its papers and headlines, Villa will always be a footnote to them until we are ready to rise again. Let Paul Merson slate us on live television and let Robbie Savage try to rile the supporters once represented by his arch-nemesis Sir Dion of Dublin. Let everyone question the prospects of Aston Villa for the coming season. In the meantime, let`s keep our heads up and remember that Rome wasn`t built after 2 games.




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Writer: Turkish Penguin Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday August 26 2012

Time: 10:02PM

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I'm confused...you say we shouldn't judge Villa on two games...but apparently we should judge Given on two games ?
MASON_PARKER
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26/08/2012 22:06:00

and...while I'm at it...If Given should be dropped for his two performances...then so should the other ten !
MASON_PARKER
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26/08/2012 22:08:00

To be fair hes judging Given on last season, the Euros and those two games!
ormskirk
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26/08/2012 22:14:00

My opinion, Mason Parker, is that Given's performances last season, at the Euros and after the first couple of games might warrant a change between the sticks and perhaps a new understudy to the number one Jersey. I'm sure people will disagree with me, but that's why we're here!
Turkish Penguin
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26/08/2012 22:15:00

If no signings come in of quaility all I can say is that i'm glad Lambert knows how to get a team promoted !!
villa 4 ever
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26/08/2012 22:16:00

A bit more evidence than just our two games is that Swansea destroyed West Ham, things do not look good
AntonVilla
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26/08/2012 22:17:00

We've only won 2 premier league games in the whole of 2012, so the problem is more deep-rooted than simply losing the first 2 games of the season. We need a couple of 'special' players who can turn a game, and unless we buy 2-3 very good players this week, it's going to be a long, hard season.
itplowe
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26/08/2012 22:30:00

Fickle fans? Surely not. Yes I went to Forest and West Ham and yes we did not look good. We were also woeful against Everton in the first half at least. Second half they had little to play for. But throw in the towel after 2 games? What utter nonsense by those who are starting to talk of going down. Its time some manned up.
Gordonsleftboot
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26/08/2012 22:38:00

I admire your rallying cry mate and am one of those in the not panicking yet corner, but concerned...This is not just because of 2 games although they are 2 games we can not just ignore as the manager himself will know and will be working hard to address, but this is deeper than that as we have been in slow decline these past couple of years...Shay concerns me for as much as I was raving about him early doors, his form has dropped off quite alarmingly and whilst I am not to worried about Clarke and Baker, they need to play in rightful positions and need help to settle, we definately need a left back...We are not creating chances to miss and Nzogbia is giving no reason to suggest he will turn the corner and we lacked on the opposite side where Herd is not going to be the answer, Lambert will rectify this, meanwhile the fullbacks did not get fwd at all...The midfield is weak unless we play 3 in their and Bent is useless unless we start laying chances on a plate for him, therefore we also need strengthening with a couple of additions...We will get Gabby and Albrighton back and regardless of arguments they will aid the cause, in fact if Gabby had been playing as a 2 on Saturday I think he would of made a difference...However I do feel Lambert will pull it round in time but will also need a hand with a few new arrivals this week...I do not mean people with huge transfer fees and wages, but some more like the current few he has made like Vlaar and KAE who will be good buisness for us...Holman will be a decent acquisition and he cost nothing...Keep the faith fellow Villans a week is long time in football and as much as yesterday hurt it does only matter after 38 games, but yes we will need additions and will have to improve, see you all Tuesday...Paul Lamberts Claret Blue Army, AVFC!!!!!!
marcobavfc
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26/08/2012 22:57:00

The players need to man up more like Gordon, We've been in a relegation fight for the last two seasons and we've survived by the skin of our teeth, even when nearly going down we had no fight or passion to stay up we were lucky, Now because you have the likes of Wigan, Norwich, Southampton, Reading, QPR, West Brom, and West Ham they all know how to dog it out, they all know how to scrap and fight, We don't and all it takes is for Bent to get injured and the goals will dry up more than a 70 year old virgin.
villa 4 ever
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26/08/2012 23:01:00

I forgot to mention Swansea.
villa 4 ever
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26/08/2012 23:03:00

I am not panicking neither, I said before we started that we would go down. The team are utter crap, anyone who saw the Everton game can see apart from 2/3 players the rest are either not good enough or not bothered , Despite what many say Lambert is not the answer as I said before, I watched Norwich 5 times last year and thought at best boring, please tell me that picking Delfouneso over Weimman is a good choice, we all know that Delfouneso is not even a championship player, tactics were rubbish, but of course he has crap players just like McLeish and he was rubbish, anyhow what I am saying is it does not matter who is the manager we are in dissaray and to be honest look like Newcastle did the year they were relegated, let's just hope we recover now before we get stuck at the bottom because we are the second worst team in the premiership without a doubt
andy3221
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26/08/2012 23:23:00

Good article and agree with all points, including given
Aussie Villain
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26/08/2012 23:25:00

I have a lot of faith in Paul Lambert and would be very disapointed if fans started to give him grief so early. It would not reflect well on our collective intelligence because we all know that its better to let him build for the long haul and he needs time to change the club. I reckon most are panicking because of a couple of very disapointing seasons and we're all a bit worn out to be honest and morale with the fans is fragile. A lot of mistakes from the board have not helped, we have no confidence that the manager will be giving the tools to turn the club around. I don't agree that Shay Given was mediocre last year, in fact I think he kept us up. However his form is off since the euro's and Guzan should be given a chance.
Lock
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26/08/2012 23:26:00

I think it will be mid september before we see things come together so its going to get worse before it gets better... I think Lambert really sees the deficiency in the squad now those two games will have amplified how the squad is... There is quality in the market for lower value players just look at Michu, Petric, KEA... A team can be built on the cheap we all know that.. I would like a LB, CM, WMF, CF but I would be quite happy with a LB, CF... Id rather wait til January to see a new CM and WMF hopefully Henke can pick out a potential Gotze,Bender,Schurrle... Based on PL's comments Im certain a LB will be in before the window shuts after that who knows...
CDX_EIRE
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26/08/2012 23:37:00

I can't really say anything until the transfer window closes, after that I'll form an opinion. I couldn't care less about the results so far, but what worries me is the amount of chances we're creating. Which is none. But I'm sure that will be sorted out. And as for people getting on Paul Lamberts back already, go away and shut up.
Stephen Jay Hawkings
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26/08/2012 23:57:00

Good article and good to see someone not jumping on the doom and gloom bandwagon
Kuffit
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27/08/2012 00:08:00

Early opinion is indeed best saved until after the transfer window closes. Obviously Lambert has had a rebuilding job to do, and I think most fans would have expected to see a bit more evidence of this, in terms of new faces. The US tour didn't help, but it's certainly gone quiet. Lambert must know he hasn't got the tools for any progress, if he goes with what he's got. Interesting week ahead. UTV. MOMS
myoldmansaid
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27/08/2012 00:11:00

Good article and of course complete and total sense. We've played two games, not very well admittedly but we are a work in progress. And having a manager who owns up to mistakes ? I've got all the time in the world for people who do that, as long as they learn from them. Nobody should be jumping on Lambert's case yet.
ExpatVillaShirt
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27/08/2012 03:27:00

Given was poor at the Euro's and made a mistake against Everton but I totally disagree with those who say he was average or less last season. I heard many people on the phone in's etc (me included) say he was arguably our best player!! I'm not saying this new ball was responsible for his mistake but Cech made a similar mistake and El Ahmadi's goal flew all over the shop. Howard had no chance!!!
nolan1874
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27/08/2012 04:04:00

The thing is we don't even look close to winning at the moment and the longer that continues the more pressure for the manager and the players.....not to mention the board. No panic but definately concerned.
holte ender 1969
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27/08/2012 04:30:00

This team has been in decline for a while, Turkish. The manager needs time to turn it round yes -agreed- but this is an unforgiving league in which Paul Lambert will need new players to reverse current trends. Not billions but an affordable statement of intent from the Chairman. Consider who is coming round the corner- Newcastle and Swansea, before you can blink we will be W0 D0 L4 and there are no easy games. We also have another challenging December. Personally, I am also sick of being deflated and empty at the end of every home game. I leave the ground a shell. It is not pleasant and although I am not "throwing in the towel" by any means, I am informed enough to know that we will not survive away another relegation. After two games, we are without doubt the worse team in the league and I would expect Newcastle away to be a step too far once again.
Villa_Grizzly
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27/08/2012 04:47:00

Superb article, Turkish. Very relevant and also honest with regard to early season status. My main concern at the moment is the attitude of the players. We know that Everton ran us ragged in the first half, and no matter how much we say we improved in the second, there was no heart in the team for most of the game. This, I feel, I going to be Mr Lambert's main problem - getting them to stand up and fight for the cause! I mentioned here a few weeks ago my doubts about Delfounso and his "bottle". He is a young guy for heaven's sake and should be sweating blood for the cause. I'm sorry to say this, but he needs to be shipped out, we certainly don't need the likes of him.
AVFCinOz
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27/08/2012 07:35:00

Mr Turkish , I'm not sure if you've been to the games but the reaction is not to the fact we have lost both games . It is the fact that we never looked capable of winning either game . I don't think anyone has thrown the towel in , only the 7000 who yet again could not be bothered to turn up. 34,000 were there and right behind the team but actually saw one of the worst performance I've seen in my 45 seasons . If we'd shown any sort of ideas there would be some light at the end of the tunnel but we were clueless from start to finish and more worryingly so was Lambert
villan57
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27/08/2012 08:12:00

Yes, Rome wasn't built in day but the worrying thing is that over the last 5 years Villa are one of the top 5 biggest net spenders. We should of already built our Rome.
PiperUK
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27/08/2012 08:59:00

Always enjoy your articles Turkish, I agree with most of that but I think it's obvious we need signings and fast (not just saying that from the first 2 games either) I think the likes of Newcastle and Swansea have proved you don't need to go crazy ridiculous in the market to get quality in and we do well to take a leaf out of their book. I rate Lambert very highly but there's truth in the saying a manager it's only as good as his players.
AdzVilla11
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27/08/2012 09:36:00

I'm not sure how you think people are reacting over 2 games? I myself think they are reacting to the last 2 years and the complete decline of Aston Villa, 3 seasons ago we were on a par with Spurs! I don't think we ever will be again. and that's the shocking state of our club.
eltoro
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27/08/2012 09:44:00

I'm not panicking, but I expected the loss v Everton and we were embarrassed by them. Why did I expect it? Because we have flirted with relegation for two seasons in a row and we've not improved the squad enough to give Lambert a chance. I thought we'd be a bit better this year and still hope we are, I was I think kidding myself thinking top ten. After making West Ham look good and being embarrassed by Everton, I would think we are more likely to be in for a relegation scrap (not saying relegation but down there again) unless we bring in some experience to help the young players. We have a good few in this squad who are just not good enough, sadly a few of them the club won't be able to move on because of the fact they aren't good enough and I guess they are on decent wages also.

So it isn't writing off the season, it isn't panicking, it is pragmatism. Men v boys at the moment. It needs correcting, if not if he gets us near 10th he'll be doing a great job. However, how sad is that? A Villa fan saying 10th would be great. Sheesh.
The Fear
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27/08/2012 10:01:00

Great article as ever btw and love the optimism, you are right, it is only two games for the new manager, he's got time and patience from the majority (I hope!) but he can't perform miracles.
The Fear
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27/08/2012 10:03:00

So so deflated. Lerner mustn't allow another season of squad trimming. He must give money for players...or is the money there and the players don't want to come? We'll never know...all I know is that we desperately need more players...a winger/left sided mf, defenders and a striker...no use a striker without a mf or at least a striker that can link play. Is Benayoun out there? I'm seriously considering Tommy Ince / Rhodes and the oddly Ruddock love child Taylor-Fletcher from Blackpool.
koolbill
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27/08/2012 10:09:00

kb, agree with you about Benayoun and Ince although its the owner who really should be doing the 'considering'. Not sure that he is. Agree with PiperUK that given the investment since RL took charge Villa shouldn't been in this position. Can you imagine Daniel Levy, Stan Kroenke, Abramovich, Sheikh Mansour, John Henry or even the Glazers backing the majority of signings we saw during the MON era (and a few since)? Could you imagine them bringing in the last Villa two managers to run their clubs? Lerner and Faulkner either have no serious ambition or don't know what they're doing. Or both. The scouting sysytem is a good move but should've been there from the start. Don't want to see a sheikh or oligarch at Villa. It would destroy the identity of the club. Swansea or B. Dortmund would be good models for Lerner and Faulkner to mould Villa on. RL has a lot of good ideas but not -- apparently -- where it counts, on the pitch. The current players are -- mostly -- overpaid wasters. Villa deserve to go down and probably will.
VillaWillRiseAgain
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27/08/2012 13:03:00

Good article, TP, btw.
VillaWillRiseAgain
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27/08/2012 13:04:00

* Last two Villa managers not including Lambert. Lambert has inherited a fools gold generation. He isn't to blame for the current debacle.
VillaWillRiseAgain
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27/08/2012 13:06:00

Did you actually SEE that rout on Saturday?
jonah
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27/08/2012 13:21:00

@jonah. No, I don't live remotely near Brum so it's difficult to come up to VP. I'd rather go and watch the NextGen games than see the senior squad anyway. Why do you ask?
VillaWillRiseAgain
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27/08/2012 13:44:00

VWRA...Sorry mate, comment was aimed at Turkish Penguin, not you.
jonah
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27/08/2012 14:12:00

Jonah - I caught the highlights and yes, it looks like we were well humbled. I'm not doubting that we'll struggle if we continue with the current squad, but the article is a reflection of the Tweets and posts of supporters who have taken the first 2 results and performances as the benchmark. As I said, most people are on board with the idea that things will take time, but it's frustrating to see that some fans lose faith just because we don't win immediately or sign players that they believe should be part of the team. It's the quick-fix mentality which gives people the wrong outlook, and it's something that has to change.
Turkish Penguin
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27/08/2012 17:42:00

Good article and I am not surprised that people are starting to see the weakness in between the sticks. Given makes some good saves and is a decent shot stopper. And the 2nd goal was one he would normally be comfortable with. My problem with him is his total lack of ability to come off his line. Fellani shouldn't have had the header. It was routine cross that the likes of Bosnich or David Kames would simply have plucked out of the air. However one of the arts of good management is to look at what went right as opposed to what went wrong. Nathan Baker was our best player when he went to centre half. Maybe a Vlaar Baker partnership would be better than Vlaar Clarke. This would enable Clarke to move back into midfield to add some strength. Lowton looks useful. Holman looks good, and whilst KEA and Vlaar are good players they need to step up to the demands of the Premier League quickly. DB9 is wasted as a target man. Nothing sticks and he doesn't bring others into the game. Bent plays on the shoulder of the last man and is most dangerous when you have wide men who get to the byeline and pull the ball back. He is a genius at finding space. Lambert needs to answer that conundrum before we will be able to move forward. Kevin Doyle might be the man that helps bring the best out of DB9, so that is an interesting link.
voiceoftheholte
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27/08/2012 18:26:00

TP. Agreed, anybody who doesn't think it will take time needs to take a reality pill. BUT that performance on Saturday was downright scarey. I can't remember a worse one in 25+ years TBH. VOTH. Also agreed about Given, I think he's lost it mate.
jonah
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28/08/2012 12:53:00

Yes the 1st half performance on Saturday was quite litterally Scary as Jonah points out. I mean the team was so un-organised in every department, with no fluidity. Holman actually changed the game in the 2nd half, and started to link midfield and attack with Zog & Al Hamadi. I arrived late and was outside the ground when the team was being announced and I thought it was the subs bench........
KSarge1
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28/08/2012 16:02:00

 

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