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Lost_In_Ca

So the players have started where they left off last season and, presumably, how they mean to go on.
VillaWillRiseAgain

euuuuuugh. Holman's attempted cross at the end and trying to claim a corner summed it all up. El Almahdi's in my fantasy team on the plus side :-|
Dumble

I thought we were maybe 2 or 3 4mill players short, now its looking more like 2 or 3 10mill players we need. I'm not doubting the potential of some of our lads, but there's little or no immediate quality in that team - and I'm usually quite positive! Looking at the next 2 games I can't see us picking up any points either which is a bit scarey.
villaiain

Defence in general weren't bad, Baker especially but Given could've/should've saved 2 of them, Bannan was pointlessly Hollywood passing (sideways now instead of forward?!?!) and Bent hardly had a touch ( AGAIN .)
Villan444

Not sure what's happened to you boys, it wasn't long ago we were fighting it out in the top 6, you could be in big trouble this season.
EvertonMike

Villaiain - I don't think it's the 10m plus players that we necessarily need; it's the quantity. We're poor because there's no quality throughout the team. We could get 4-5 4m players and completely change our fortunes in no time.
johnnyuk

Only plus is that we have a cup game to re-group and maybe try a few other options. Weimann and Caruthers have to be an improvement surely?!
villaiain

You're right johnnyuk, what I meant was we need players with quality to improve the starting 11, not just for strength in depth like I originally thought. By 10m I just meant that thats the sort market value of players like Adam Johnson, Matt Jarvis etc. Even players like De Guzman who's a find for Swansea was about 6mill I think, and we need 3 or 4 of him!
villaiain

Should off played the same team as last week
kenner

About ******** time we beat Aston Villa, been way too long. Shocking to see that quality gap today, given we were close rivals 3yrs ago, makes me appreciate David Moyes even more for the job he has done. As for the game, as I said, the quality gap was visible to everyone, when the game was on the line, Everton were dominant in that 1st half and the game was done at half time, would've liked to see Everton go in for the kill instead of just trying fancy flicks and such, but nevertheless, not going to complain happy with the 3pts. Good luck for the rest of the season, keep faith in Lambert he is a good manager, I think the owner is the one you need to pay your attention to, doesn't seem to want to give Lambert any money from an outsiders POV.
Rob-EFC

Outrageous!
Pride of Lions

Everton were fantastic, and we were very very poor. We're going to be in trouble unless Lerner opens his wallet before the window shuts.
monsters

Centre back, decent winger, and good strike should be priority. Then maybe sign a few of the old free agents on short contracts as cover (e.g. Michael Owen, maybe even Owen Hargreaves, etc.) The oldies give depth and expierience.
VillaJ

Well that was pretty poor, but I'm not going to start screaming for Paul Lambert's head just yet! I think the target this season is to finish mid table.... it may well take a dozen games or so to start playing like a team. In Lambert we trust!
thorpyuk

Also, please bring back Makoun (if we can recall him). More options, and champo league experience
VillaJ

I'm sorry but no matter how good the academy players are, you can't play 5 of them at once week in week out, the standard of the premier league is too high. Sure 2/3 and rotate them around but we are completely reliant upon them. I'm not 100% by the attitude of a couple but even so, it's not fair on them or lambert. It's tough for randy has mon spunked vast amounts of his money but we need a PROVEN forward, winger, centre half and left back. 5 very inexperienced outfield players and a very weak bench indeed. Gulp!
revolutionatlast

Also why listed N'Zogbia as no10?!
revolutionatlast

Rev - that performance doesn't deserve to have him listed.
mike_field

The worst home performance I have seen within the last 5 years bar Swansea and Liverpool last year. Absolute dire. Why did he drop Ireland and Delph? IMO Hutton and Warnock would of made a difference today, bombing forward putting balls into the box.
PiperUK

Thought Herd & Baker were possibly the pick of a very bad bunch. Work needs to be done, but not sure why Delph and Ireland were on bench against a strong, experienced Everton midfield. I know they haven't pulled up any trees but surely either would have been a better bet than Bannan (far too lightweight, can't pass) or N'Zogbia, who is just dire. Either his confidence is totally shot, or he's just s**t. Must have used up his 9 lives by now?
JuanPabloAngel

Baker looks like he's becoming something very valuable to us.
VillaJ

That bad mike? Oh dear. And to think about his interview this week. Can't help thinking he won't improve, will run down his contract and we'll ditch him for peanuts a year before he goes for free and that's another 10m down the toilet. Hmpf!
revolutionatlast

Grim times. Take nothing away from Everton, looks like they might be on for a good season, but so, so much wrong in B6. Great goal by KEA though.
onlyteaminthemids

We need to be realistic are squad is ***** poor and the young players are no where near what some people think... this isnt the squad that finished 6th Young, Downing, Petrov, Milner thats the whole midfield from the that side how many do we have? I originally thought top 10 but Im dropping that to 15th or better unless we bring in a LB, CM, WMF, CF... Guzan will get the nod in the league cup and might get a run in the 1st team after today... Lowton needs time, Vlaar is the only senior DEF, Clarke is good, Baker will become very good, I like Herd but I think a conversion to CB is in his future, KEA solid, I dont like Bannan nice passer but offers nothing else, Nzog has til November to prove himself, Bent is lost without service, Delfouneso squad player... Unless Albie can do something by December he will be in the boat with bannan and be a squad man, Weimann has potential but I dont see him and Bent working in the same team, based on the last two seasons gabby is extremely overrated, Ireland is in the same boat as Nzog needs to prove himself, Delph still has something IMO but he needs a run of games, Lichaj pretty solid... Hutton, Dunne, Warnock decent defenders but make mistakes and dont fit the system... These last two games are a reality check we need to look at the squad for what it is and realise we may be in for another tough season... Its inexperienced, has a few overrated and over paid players, it has three players (Ireland/Nzog/Bent) with the potential to really push Villa up the league and we have a few new players who could really excel if the rest of the team was contributing... If we can get a couple more new faces, ship out some dead wood, unlock the chains on Ireland & Nzog, provide service to Bent and finish the league in a respectable position we will be on the road to Europe again... Until then we need to just keep the faith and accept we may be in a difficult few months at least... In Lambert we trust...
CDX_EIRE

Comparing the value of today's starting elevens confirms the quality gap. Villa started with a team worth around 52m and Everton started with a team worth almost 50% more at around 76m. The comparisons look horrendous if you take out Bent at 17.5m and Villa are left with ten players worth a total of around 35m, which is the sort of value you find for relegation candidates. So Villa can congratulate themselves on building a Championship side and the fans can't be surprised that they actually look like one.
Steve Wade

When you look at our squad how many of them have performed consistently well at premier league level for the last 3 years? Given and Bent are probably the only 2 - the rest just haven't performed, don't have much experience or have joined from different leagues. And that is our problem especially with less than a week til the window shuts and to be honest I don't think that will help us - names like Cresswell are not going to come and do a job immediately, we need proven quality and I don't see us getting it. The idiots like No.10 need to start performing and the kids need to grow up fast. I think Lowton, KEA and Vlaar are adapting quickly so I don't have a problem with them. It least this puts it in perspective and we can stop getting carried away - this squad is weak and 14th would be a decent achievement in my eyes. Hope Lambert continues to get good support the poor bloke can't polish a turd.
Lion Heart

So this early days and everyone is talking about our squad not being big enough / god enough etc etc. Whilst i agree that some of our squad aren't good enough I am going to be the first to buck the trend of the love in with our new manager. He of course needs time and i had high hopes when he was appointed but...... He got it totally wrong last week playing 5 in midfield against a team that bypasses midfield routinely. Today he played baker at left back despite having Lichaj on the bench, in the first half there was so much room to attack into down the left that if we'd had a genuine LB on the pitch we could have created loads (no criticism of Baker btw who did his best). He played Bannan in central midfield against one of the most physically powerful midfield units in teh league and he played Nzogbia! Ireland and Delph must have been cursing on the bench and its all well and good alienating Warnock and Hutton etc if you have better to come in but Warnock would have been far better at LB today than Baker and why Lichaj was left on the bench only PL knows. So far its nil out of two, not just in terms of results but also in terms of getting the tactics right, having any style / pattern of play or having a clue what his best team is.
AVbornandbred

Given was ok last year lion heart but think that those 2 along with Bannan are the weakest links. And yes Steve, Randy has managed to give us a younger weaker team than when he turned up whilst wasting millions and millions which he'll want back from us sooner or later. Proud history, bright what??
Villan444

Clarke is not a premier league standard centre back
avfcwills10

Bright ***** that's what
PiperUK

Agree with the post that said that Lambert should have kept the same side as last week. Delph and Ireland will probably be feeling irritated to put it mildly. Paul Lambert probably isn't the problem, however. His signings look useful and an improvement -- mostly -- on the rabble he inherited. Steve Wade is right to point out the gulf in investment between the two clubs. To be fair he has been saying similar stuff for a while now. The message seems to have been lost in the euphoria that greeted Lambert's appointment. The problem appears to be that the owner doesn't seem to have his heart in it. Lerner should, perhaps, cut his losses and sell up. The decision to sell Milner (and later Young) has led to this sorry point. Wouldn't want to see a scheik or oligarch in B6, though. However, an owner who is willing to invest in quality players would be nice. Lerner has done a lot for the club and there are solid foundations being laid for the future. It's probably time for someone new, though.
VillaWillRiseAgain

Took Moyes 10 years but he has a great team! While we were extremely poor Everton were also very good so not going to complain, the result flatters us really...Either Lerner buys or do one, just ***** off and sell, he should be getting the blame.
p.avfc

The upcoming fixtures will be tough. The game against Norwich on 28th October is, arguably, the first one Villa have a chance of winning.
VillaWillRiseAgain

We may have changed manager, but that was as poor as last season in many many ways.
revdpete

We are a very very poor side. Unfortunately the board over the last two years have decided to run villa as a championship or league one club. It can only continue with us as a premier league club for so long. We are masquerading as a big club now, a premier league club. I find it insulting that the board attempt to bu****it the fans with what are quickly proving to be hollow patronising nonsense about pushing the club up the league. I back Paul Lambert all the way and would plead with fellow supporters to give him time, remember that he can't make something out of nothing.
Lock

Agree with AVBornandbred. I couldn't understand the selection today and we looked so wide open. OK Given was to blame for two of the goals but we never competed in the first half. Also was surprised by PLs reaction. After the second he sat down and sent out the coach. After the third they both sat down. What message did that send to the team? In fairness to MON, who I still despise for what he did to this club, at least he kept going for the whole game. Yes we need more good players. But we also need to use those we have wisely. Lichaj looked good when he came on. I could go on, but won't.
Gordonsleftboot

There is no worries 99% of fans back Lambert and the % of fans who will be turning on Mr Lerner as soon as we are rooted at the bottom will be loads, many Villans are realising Randy has run this club down to worse than when he purchased us, i feel sorry for Lambert taking this job on with no money it seems, but Randy will soon feel the heat of the fans soon enough!
CLIVETHEVILLAN

Randy doesn't/won't give a toss Clive. We need some very wealthy Arabs or similar very soon, or we'll be through the trapdoor by Xmas. What we probably need to do though is stick with Lambo - he's a proven promotion manager.
onlyteaminthemids

otitm -- Maybe we should put a brochure together like Michael Owen did and send it to Dubai or Moscow? 'Fans of historic English Football Club require generous benefactor?' Sad isn't it. Scheiks and oligarchs aren't the answer, though. Neither, sadly, is RL.
VillaWillRiseAgain

I like it VWRA - will start on a Powerpoint doc now. Trouble is, sheikhs and oligarchs are what the Prem is all about. Having an owner who is 'just a billionaire' is no longer enough, sadly.
onlyteaminthemids

my god...what happened to all the pre-season optimism?...yes it was bad but come on...it was only our second game.
Steve64k

Second league game Steve, but we scraped a pre-season win against 4th division Burton, lost convincingly to 2nd division Forest, etc etc. The squad is paper thin;the kids could probably all be really good if drip-fed into the team one or two at a time alongside seasoned pros, rather than being expected to be our saviours at a time of crisis. Those seasoned pros? Well we know what Bent can do, but he needs service. Ireland is inconsistent and unreliable, Nzog clearly regrets coming here - body language suggests he'd rather be anywhere else. Given and Dunne are past it. Warnock's confidence shot and wants out. Hutton tried hard, but lacks Prem quality - shall I go on?
onlyteaminthemids

Not the best news to wake up to.......get quality in and fast!
holte ender 1969

I'll have my detractors for saying this but Given was at fault on ALL THREE goals. The first was within a saveable distance if he'd been moving his feet. The ball crossed the line about two yards INSIDE the post (ie about two yards from the middle of his goal. The second was obvious... For the third he was nowhere near positionally correct. When that ball was on the by-line he should have been touching distance from his near post. The ball would have hit him square in the chest if he'd been positioned correctly....
gmvillan

I don't think any of our players are terrible, I think some young lads have really bright futures. Baker was the best I've seen him, great last ditch tackles. It's clear to anyone that watches football that we need signings and fast, I'd say 4 min by the end of this week. We need a LB, CB, CM and Striker but Randy needs to spend. I just feel he's not interested anymore, he should sell if he's not!!!! What have spent 8mil?? Havin a laugh Randy. In Lambert I trust but he needs help as a manager is only as good as his players
AdzVilla11

gmvilla, totally agree with Given being at fault and surprised not more have picked up on it...not even mentioned by the supposed professionals on the box apart from the obvious one, then again it is a specialised position and het the naked eye you may not know...first thing I said after the pienaar goal was that he did not sort his feet out quick enough regardless of the strike!!!
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Date:Sunday August 26 2012

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@Steve Wade The Everton team yesterday cost 46m. Its been assembled over years of working with no budget but Moyes making the most of the money when it has come in from player sales and building a team that works together. As an Everton fan I think the blame for you shouldnt lie mainly with Lerner. He put in enough money for you to get into the champions league. The blame in my opinion should lie with MON and the players he bought. Players like Davies, Reo Coker, Harewood, Sidwell, Shorey etc who cost a lot of money and most went for nothing. You cant afford to spend about 30m on those players and getting nothing back for them. It's no wonder Lerner needed to make some money back once he realised you wont going to penetrate the top 4. MON made some good signings, but a lot of awful ones for big money. He had a net spend of about 100m in 4 years, that should have been enough to get 4th one of the years but he wasted some of the money and didnt recoup any of it. Lambert is a promising manager with a tough job ahead. Could be a hard season for you but really important you keep behind him, the team and especially the young players as much as you can.
rwl1878
Yes, point taken and we've been over it now so many times, but Lerner is still to blame for allowing MON the free rein.
Pride of Lions
The thing is for three seasons there was progress but after the fourth season Lerner seen what the craic was and decided to reign it in... Very few of us were complaining we were all happy under MON then things changed at VP and we seen the damage he done... After the fourth season I wanted rid of MON even as a fan you could the issues everyone talks about now... The funny thing is we need to do what Lerner is hesitant to do and that is spend heavily to improve the squad... I think he is in denial like many Villa fans this is not the squad that finished 6th and we need to get to grips with that... MON only really used 11men too so that narrows it down too... Dunne, Warnock, Petrov, Gabby the only players from the MON era that can be considered as part of the top 6 team...
CDX_EIRE
I still have not calmed down today after yesterday, i have never seen such a poor squad with kids and 6 or 7 experianced players who are not special or playing well, Randy has to act now and not leave Lambert hung out to dry, i feel sorry for Lambert he deserves better than this!
CLIVETHEVILLAN
I keep reading about the talk of our kids and their potential, but at what point do they stop being known as inexperienced? Some of this academy group have 2 years of Premier League matches behind them now, as well as approaching the age of 24/25. I honestly think that some of them are just not that good. For me Ciaran Clark is not a Premier League Centre Back. I did feel that he looked far better at Centre Mid under Houllier. The fonz has regressed, Bannan doesn't seem to have learned when to pick and choose his attempted killer passes and from what I've seen (which admittedly isn't a lot) Baker just looks average. That's not to mention the 6 million man Delph. We are really in need of players in every department, 4 or 5 maybe.
Francobaresi13
I must say this will take time and is not a problem that can be solved by just throwing money at it. I agree that Lambert needs more funds right away but not the 30/40 mill I have seen some demand, I think he needs the money for 2 more players this week (a left back and a midfield breaker) or else we will go down but after that we need to be patient. This is a marathon not a sprint. Also I agree we are seeing that some of our youths are just not as good as we thought. Also I feel that in the quick judgement of some on our younger players some are being judged very harshly. Clark IMO is a good cb and will become a top quality cb. People are saying he is making silly mistakes and is out of position. Well, what do you expect? He has spent the last couple of years playing so many different roles he never had the chance to get used to life as a premier league cb, this coupled with the change in tactics, the new defensive partners around him and the lack of strength in midfield makes me think mistakes like this were bound to happen. If in a couple of months time they keep happening then he is not up to it. Fonz, the youngest of the crop who has not really played a lot of pl football and was out of position against Everton too is getting it in the neck, he needs a good run of games. Again if in a couple of months he is not working out then he is not up to it. Bannan has one huge talent that is he passing accuracy, but yes seems to lack the timing and judgement needed. Baker not a lot of experience at this level and again a lot of it out of position. Delph to me looks a write off, to injury prone and has never really shown glimpses of his talent. If Lambert gets the cash and the time he will come good. I also feel if Clark and Baker get the time they will come good. Again I know some will disagree and think my view is moronic. That is there view and they are entitled to that. But please keep the faith. UTV!!
Tallaght Villan
Go for Palacios. Not getting his game. Carvalho on loan. Really need a forward who can drop deep and link up like Robbie Keane did. Any ideas in that department. Maybe Cresswell as well. Maybe dortmund could loan us somebody. Need to have a good look at the bundesliga players with our new head scout.
Lock
Tallaght i like what you say, no one should demand 30/40million though nice too unrealistic but some money for 2/3 players is essential, i back Lambert 110% and will not blame himif this squad is all he has and we get relegated i would blame Randy!
CLIVETHEVILLAN
Id like to see Carruthers given a shot on the wing he is the one young player who I think is actually really good... There is subtle things in his performances that the likes of Bannan, Albie and the other young attackers havnt shown... For me the next 5 months are make or break for 5-6 maybe 7 players... Bannan, Ireland, Albie, Nzog, Delph, Delfouneso have it all to prove... I dont think Bannan has the attitude to succeed, Albie, Ireland and Nzog are all confidence and Delph needs games... Im writing Bannan and the Fonz off right now but I would be happy if they proved me wrong..
CDX_EIRE
Carruthers yes, though was carrying a knock. Got to stick him on definitely.
Villa_Grizzly
@rwl1878, Who said anything about cost? I said worth, which is the sort of price you might sell at these days. Unless you are willing to sell the likes of Baines for the 4m you paid for him? As for Lerner, I am a bit tired of this billionaire (well once) being touted as this little rich kid being relieved of his lunch money by the school bully (O'Neill). He knew exactly what he was doing and has to take responsibility. Unfortunately, despite the 'big club' myth, Villa's turnover is just not big enough to sustain a charge on the Champions League, and when Lerner realised it was futile he gave up. We wait to see if Everton can prove that perception wrong.
Steve Wade
I blame Martin O'Neill.
chocolate teapot
I disagree with your summary chocolate, it is so very clear Maggie Thatchers fault!
The Fear
CDX, I agree about Bannan - his trouble seems to be, he thinks he already HAS succeeded! He looks a Championship player at best, as does N'Zogbia. Delfouneso will never cut it (another Luke Moore/Darius Vassell) and frankly, Agbonlahor is on seriously borrowed time. Our famed academy can produce these gems, but why can't they kick on at first-team level? I realise 4 managers in 3 years doesn't help, but they all look hopelessly out of their depth in the Premier League. Frustrating, but let's see what Lambert can do with them.
JuanPabloAngel
We are not good enough simple as, the 'kids' (early twenties to me is not kids) are nowhere near premier league standard. Players put effort in Saturday but the gulf in class was huge. If we don't spend this week we are in big big trouble. From my point of view as well, Baker looked good because he put in saving challenges having been out of poisiton/out paced on numerous occasions. I think our big errors could be letting collins go and freezing warnock out. They are not the worlds best, but they are a damn sight better than what we started with on Saturday. The sending off actually helped us by forcing us to play full backs at full back and not slow centre backs.
AVNath
The problem is simple and in black and white. We have put to much faith in our kids and sold most our senior players. There's no experience in the squad and we don't have any defenders..... We also only have one goal scorer who is easily marked out the game. Ireland and N'Zog don't look interested - we're relegation fodder.
leelindsay
Everton were playing a very un-organised and poor Villa team on Saturday. If you look at the game, Villa were so poor in the first half. In fact I would go so far as to say that was the poorest I have ever witnessed in a half. Our first shot was on about the 44th minute mark, at home. We flattered Everton, I cannot see them finishing anywhere near the top 4. When we put pressure on them with only 10 men in the second half they looked shakey. Its just a shame we did not start with that intent from the off with 11 men. The biggest mistake was playing Bannan, which was rectified too late, he is nowhere near good enough for the premier league. It was almost laughable at times when he was trying to compete with Fellani.
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