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Martinez v Lambert - No, Not A Fight!

I know there are already threads on each individual however I wanted to put their records up against each other.

A lot of people have said they would accept "Anyone but McLeish" but I think we need to be careful.

This next appointment is MASSIVE for Randy, Aston Villa and us, it HAS to be right.

So I wanted to look at their records in management so far.

Martinez: (Forum thread: Roberto Martinez )

Started off with Swansea and was there for just over 2 years - they won 50% of their games under Martinez with a record of W63 D37 L26

He moved to Wigan in the summer of 2009 and while he has kept them in the premiership he has only won 26.77% of his games, with a record of W34 D36 L57

Each season he has left it late, with Wigan having a good run of 8-10 games and keeping them up.

Lambert (Forum thread: Paul Lambert )

Lambert started off his career at a small club in Livingstone, it didn't go well and he only won 15% of his games and he resigned in under a year

He moved on to Wycombe, where he led them to the League Cup semi-finals, beating Prem sides Fulham and Charlton Athletic. then in the semi-final against Premier League champions Chelsea they drew at home, before losing the away leg. This was the first time in over 30 years a fourth tier team had reached that stage of the League Cup.

He won 40% of his games with a record of W44 D29 L35

He left after Wycombe failed to gain promotion in the play offs.

He joined Colchester, if only for a short period, but in that time he had a 44% win percentage with a record of W19 D7 L17

Now he is at Norwich, who he joined after he beat them 7-1 with his old team Colchester, he has 49% win percentage, playing some exciting stuff using players from the lower leagues. His record here is W70 D33 L37

The facts and stats show that Lambert has improved every time he has moved, currently on a near 50% win percentage with a team like Norwich after a full season in the Premiership.

As much as Martinez plays a good style, its not got a lot of substance to it until the final 8 games of a season.

If I had to have one, I would have Lambert.

Forum thread: Click Here

Daily Express journalist, and Canaries fan, Mick Dennis tells the boys why he believes the Scotsman will stay at Carrow Road. www.talksport.co.uk




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Date:Tuesday May 15 2012

Time: 2:32PM

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i sense martinez is going to be first choice... just feel it in the air tbh.
villa4life87
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15/05/2012 14:52:00

I like lambert,he is probably the better manager results wise. but i would rather martinez due to his style of play.
lerneravfc
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15/05/2012 14:57:00

I feel we will get neither, COTVABU
irish villa
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15/05/2012 14:57:00

i really think lerner has had enough - his statement really sent out a huge message to me and is demanding more.. he wanted martinez and i think he will be determined to get him now. paul lambert is best buds with MON - very doubt it that villa are gonna get him
villa4life87
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15/05/2012 15:00:00

I'd prefer Lambert but we've got to remember the resources available to Martinez at Wigan. They have no right to be in this division year after year yet they are. He's doing nothing less than miracles at the DW. Wigan would probably be the smallest club in the Championship, never mind the Premier League. Give me Lambert though :)
BOF
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15/05/2012 15:08:00

Agree with that. Martinez clearly has players with talent but can't get a consistent season out of them. Staying in the Prem is an achievement for any young manager but I think Wigan could be doing better. We should cast the net wide (although Stan Collymore says there are 4 on the list: 2 in jobs and 2 not) but I would be more than happy to give Lambert some time to give his way a go.
Freelancelot
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15/05/2012 15:16:00

Martinez will be off to Liverpool.
P.Avfc
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15/05/2012 15:16:00

Although I agree that, out of the 2, Lambert is probably the better choice, history shows that AVFC and Scots managers don't mix - in fact they have been nothing short of disastrous when they have - Docherty, Mcneil, Mcleish, and, to be honest, I tend to cringe every time I hear the accent now lol Villas-Boas is doing nothing - AND has a good name!
griffgriff
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15/05/2012 15:20:00

if martinez will be off to liverpol - then how is lambert a better option? lol doesn't even make sense to me
villa4life87
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15/05/2012 15:26:00

Both good managers, both styles of Football are better, Martinez for me is a little more appealing but i wonder what Lambert can do for Villa after doing so well with a team with so many Championship players in Norwich side.
P.Avfc
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15/05/2012 15:30:00

Lambert did manage to get 52 goals out of Norwich last season and that was 7th best. And of course, the year before when they were promoted they scored 83 times. That's attacking football.
JWiLs2315
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15/05/2012 15:36:00

Although we do already know what Martinez is capable of getting out of N'zogbia. That would be, potentially, massive should he get him back on fine form.
JWiLs2315
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15/05/2012 15:40:00

Martinez?.... he has already refused an interview with us once. Also why can he only get his teams to perform in the Spring? We already have a player like that - he only scores in the Autumn. At least Lambertgot his team playing football from day 1 of the season. No Brainer for me. Lambert, no problem. NEXT?
Pride of Lions
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15/05/2012 15:43:00

the talksport interview makes for good listening if we got Lambert, sounds very promising.
The Fear
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15/05/2012 16:12:00

Free Lancelot and Pride of Lions, I'm with you all the way. Lambert has improved nearly every team he has been at, whereas Martinez's team has gone backwards. And if Martinez has achieved such a remarkable feat in keeping Wigan just above the relegation zone every year, does that make Steve Bruce a managerial giant for keeping them mid-table? Lambert all the way.
Mark from Dudley
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15/05/2012 17:30:00

I was a Martinez fan favorite when it came to choosing our next manager but over the past week I would prefer Lambert. Why? Like stated, he has the better record and improves everywhere he goes. And not just that, the teams he has been to do not have even a fraction of the funds villa have. So not only will he be a good choice but possibly a villa manager if he yet again plays his cards right. Plus I haven't heard Norwich linked with any players yet, could this be a sign?
Avfc94 we do
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15/05/2012 18:00:00

Wouldn't mind it if Lambert could bring Holt with him, either.
Mark from Dudley
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15/05/2012 18:34:00

I'd like to see Brendan Rogers name in the mix. His Swansea side have been playing fluid, attacking football - go watch their game at home vs Arsenal. They were 2-1 up until Arsenal equalised. Most other managers would then have shut up shop, but they went down the other end and scored right away. POSITIVE - a word not in the 'mcleish book of managerial expertise' lol
thorpyuk
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15/05/2012 22:56:00

Martinez his a better manager its that simple and plays good football. i would take Vcitor moses, Nather dyer, Ashley Willians and Rabgel and day of the week over any one in the Norwich team who play in the same position. Lambert would have to keep the team up in the second season to even be considered on Martinez level> Norwich will struggle next season and Holt will struggle for goals next season. They most likely are going down under Lambert.
Shane Villains
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22/05/2012 20:03:00

 

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