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The 'R' Word For AVFC

The 'R' Word For AVFC

So the R word seems to be creeping in more and more.

We recently did the Aston Villa - The Relegation Game article.

Alex McLeish has been talking about it, even though he doesn`t believe in it! (see: McLeish Doesn't Believe In Relegation )

and now we have the BBC pundits. Gladly not one thinks we are going down, although some have it closer than others.


Alan Shearer: 'This is a tough call. Aston Villa are in dreadful form but I think they are safe because they just need another win. Wigan have given themselves a chance by winning their last two games but I think they will go down with Wolves, who just concede too many goals to stay up.'

Lee Dixon: 'I don't see Aston Villa being dragged into the scrap at the bottom. Wolves are down and QPR and Wigan will join them in the Championship next season.'

Pat Nevin: 'QPR just seem to be up and down, despite having a decent quality squad. Aston Villa will be dragged into it but they will survive. I think it's Wolves, QPR and, after that it's really tough, but I'll say Blackburn.'

Meanwhile Lawro is yet another pundit (rightly) giving our style a thumbs down: "Are they missing injured England striker Darren Bent up front? Yes and no. Bent gets you goals but I just think Villa are very negative. If they had been more of an attacking team then they would be about 10 points better off, but Alex McLeish has his way of playing and he has not really unleashed the players he has got who can win games."

And of course we had Cascarino not long back saying similar (and confusingly then getting slated by some Villa fans who say exactly the same but didn`t like it from him?!) Tony Cascarino Feels Sorry For 'Numb' Villa Fans not to mention The Guardian and John Barnes/Kevin Keegan comments after our Man Utd no show.... Kevin Keegan Shocked At Awful Performance/Guardian

We also had - never did get the full transcript - Dwight Yorke saying that the Villa fans (and he included himself in that) deserved better.

Not been a great time has it?

Other threads dealing with the issues: (note... adult content, strong language)

Predict the remaining Fixtures
Villa Staying Up Or Going Down?
Our lowest ever PL points total?
First 23 Games Under JG Comparison
McLeish thread
Which manager would you like?

Then there is the rather more sensitive one! The quotes from Alex McLeish after the Blues were relegated last season as pointed out by Son Of Cher; (and how some of the comments by Villa fans at the end of that thread might come back to haunt!)

Alex McLeish says that relegation to the Championship with Birmingham is the lowest point in his career, but he says that he will do his very, very best to bring the club back to the Premier League.

A 2-1 loss at Tottenham on the last day of the season sealed their fate, it`s not the first time that McLeish has taken City down, but he says it`s the worst moment in his 17 year career.

McLeish said: 'It's probably the worst moment of my career because I have been in charge of the team the whole year.

'They're my lads. I picked them. I built the squad and it's a low for me in my career but it's not a fail. I will bounce back.'

The former Scotland boss wants to remain at St Andrews, but he will be having talks with owner Carson Yeung this week over his future.

'I have a good contract. As far as I'm aware I will be honouring that,' McLeish said.

'I will chat with the owner during the week and we will see what the game plan is with everybody.'

So, we have two relegations for our 'neighbours` and ... well, we don`t know with us yet but as per an exchange in the forum:

I said "looking at other relegation threatened clubs, I'm hoping their run ins are as bad and we'll stay up because of that."

Zarch replied: "Isn't it sad that we're so poor that we have to hope for others to play worse than us to stay up. what disgrace Eck has made our wonderful club."

Yup, crushing.

With that said, I think I just about agree with the BBC pundits, we will stay up by the grace of other teams being worse. I still hate the level of abuse and personal stuff on a human level being bandied about but it seems little can be done about it, (another article just submitted to follow on that actually) but quite where we go from here I just don`t know.

I`ve never seen, in my time doing Villa websites (so about 12 or more years) anything quite like this season for anger, disappointment and most especially vitreol.

Randy and Alex need a long hard think and possibly, whether they think it right or not, do what all the fans are asking for. With the attendance watch showing a big drop: Updated ATTENDANCE Watch For AVFC and the amount of vitriol and all out hatred, this cannot be healthy for our beloved Aston Villa, and anyone who tries to say anything in the least bit positive about the Club gets ripped apart.

This season needs to be put behind us as soon as possible, hopefully in the PL (I`m sure it will be... won`t it?) and both parties need to part waves. This is not nice, this is not healthy and this is not good. Not for Villa and most especially not for Alex McLeish who no matter what hatred is thrown his way, is a nice guy, a husband, a father and an uncle. I wish him well, but with the level of split between fans and club now, I also wish him gone.

Click here to join in the debate on the club forum.

Writer:J P Fear
Date:Friday April 6 2012
Time: 1:52PM


How much longer do we have to put up with this? I'm praying and keeping everything crossed that Alex McLeish is not here next season, surely we can't be expected to sit through this again next season? We want our Villa back!
06/04/2012 14:11:00
just all too miserable, another season like this, 'their' side or OURS isn't a nice thought. Too much negativity and anger and .... it is simply crushing, takes all the fun away and the games have, by and large, as much as I'd love him to have proved us wrong, have been woeful.
The Fear
06/04/2012 14:20:00
Randolph has listened. He obviously will not say it, but providing Brighton do not get promoted, Poyet and Zola will be at Villa Park next season. The club are in meltdown behind the scenes following the research that has been taken on fans views regarding season card renewals. Randolph may have been wrong in appointing McMuppet, but he is still a business man. Money is talking and McMuppet will be gone as soon as we are safe (if we can get safe).
06/04/2012 14:30:00
voth -- Do you know something we don't regarding Poyet-Zola? Don't like the idea of a couple of Chelskov old boys running Villa as a stepping stone. I also didn't like the fact that Poyet was so quick to defend Suarez over the Evra controversy. OK, they are compatriots but Suarez was out of order. Has Randy Lerner really listened? How do you know? They are lots of other far better canditates throughout England and the rest of Europe. Hoddle, anyone? Why wait until the end of the season anyway? The club might be relegated before then? perhaps it's time for a 'surge' amongst the supporters with a 'McLeish Out' point-of-view?
06/04/2012 14:40:00
vwra - I just something I heard from within the club the other day. Personally I like the sound of it. Two football men who keep the ball on the floor and with good contacts in the game. You may be right about stepping stone, but was Sunderland a stepping stone for Bruce and Manure, or Keane at Ipswich, or Ince at Blackburn. Or even Adams for Arsenal at Pompey. Not every ex player goes back and manages their ex club. Poyet was loyal to Suarez whilst eveybody else was being loyal to him on Merseyside. He stopped defending him when the actual truth came out though. The biggest question on that issue was why Redscouse publicly apologised to the Oldham player for the 'alleged' rascist abuse, but never ever apologised to Evra for the 'proven' rascist abuse. Had this been any other club than the media loved scousers, there would have been far more recriminations.
06/04/2012 15:39:00
gonna be an odd one next season if we manage to stay up and Small Heath get promoted - will it be the first time in history that on Derby day, both sets of fans will be singing about how much they hate our manager?
06/04/2012 19:30:00
Far more interesting than who might manage us next is the hint about season ticket sales. This is the only way to really bring the point home to the board. If season ticket sales collapse this will hit Randy in the ?brain? ?wallet? ?heart? About the only way to make him think again. He certainly will not have my money while McLeish remains.
chocolate teapot
06/04/2012 21:39:00
exactly ct -- That's what I meant when I mentioned a 'surge'. Ok, the word has yankee imperialistic overtones but hopefully people get my drift. A sudden withdrawal of financial support my a signififcant nunber of fans in a very short but sustained period should have an effect among the suits.
06/04/2012 21:48:00
If Idiot remains, we will be a club in transition..... from Premiership to Championship..................
Pride of Lions
07/04/2012 02:01:00
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