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Expectations For Top Villa Lowered By McLeish?!

Slightly tongue in cheek this...

Has Alex McLeish finally admitted that it IS his fault where Villa are at in the league?

The Villa manager said: "I`m used to, having not been the manager until this year, expecting Villa to be in the upper tiers of the Premier League."

You have to laugh, could have been slightly better worded eh?! He goes on to tell Mat Kendrick in an interview for the Birmingham Mail we`re doooooomed....

Oh no, sorry, that was just me...

Where was I?

Oh yes, he understands why the Villa fans expect to be top ten, "If you`re wearing that jersey and it`s Villa, with the heritage... and everything." but then points to the ever repeated word (we`ve been in transition for 30 odd years haven`t we?!)

"But we are definitely a club in transition at the moment." He also points more to Randy than himself, another thing I`d suggest we have now got used to? I have asked a few Brummie fans if McLeish ever took the blame for anything that went wrong, they just laughed shaking their heads.

Anyway, he talks about transition and that "We`ve still got to get to the level where Randy Lerner and the club want the wages and build from there."

Now I think there are a few bad apples in the team, a few who are more interested in their wage pack than actually playing and there are a few who have been poor throughout the last season under MON, the whole of the Gerrard Houllier season and this season. However, isn`t a managers job to manage? If they don`t perform, would you not try something different? I`m talking about trying something different when you have the options, not 'trying` because it is forced by injury?

And our CEO said that Europe was the aim and he was right in my opinion, we have a squad who should be at least top eight and pushing for the 6th spot. We might not have the best squad but there is NO WAY that we are worse than so many above us and NO WAY bad enough to have had some of the no shows we`ve suffered this year.

Running this network I talk with a lot of fans and editors on the other sites and some are simply shocked as to how Villa have become a white flag club all of a sudden. Lets face it, Arsenal on their day are devastating, beautiful to watch and almost unstoppable. But we always at the very least gave ANY team a battle didn`t we? Now we give sides like that a training game, they didn`t even have to break into a sweat. Then there was the Spurs game.... least said soonest mended, a Spurs contact (one of our advertisers) usually rings up for banter after games. He gave me TWO WEEKS before even mentioning that and then explained he knew it wasn`t the time for banter, in fact he was shocked at how bad we`d been and knew the Villa fans (who he says don`t deserve this level of disrespect) would be hurting.

And would you belief, just had this from another advertiser who supports Arsenal:

@Jonathan, right, let`s get it out of the way now….you lot were extremely poor on Saturday. Could`ve been a cricket score J Best thing I read all weekend was Arseblogger comparing McLeish to a shrunken, withered, sunburnt testicle. My how I lol`d.

Any way down to business…

You know what the sad thing is? I can`t argue with a word.

This is not transition to me, this is capitulation. He`s got the white flag up before he even starts.

I`m a fan in conflict, I agree there is a transition again. We shot for the stars and missed out. Millions were spent under the first manager and Gerrard Houllier didn`t exactly have a cheap time of it either (the one signing then being shipped out on loan having cost a small fortune) but are we really THAT bad? I`ve had a quick (very quick) look at what we have and then looked at some of the teams above us. Should we really have Norwich City, Swansea City and WBA above? See: Is Our Squad REALLY 'That' Bad To Be 15th?

The other conflict is the talk of PROTESTS. It saddens me that it is back to that and also how fractured the fans are about it. I`ve been asked a few times to set some up but it just is not my bag protesting about managers. I understand why people want to, actually I struggle to see why the guy setting up the current ones has had so much abuse thrown his way, as it seems a pretty common wish for McLeish to go (see forum thread:
Click Here ) but then I also hate, on a human level, some of the filth being said to and about Alex McLeish. Horrible for them to face this anger but yes, I know, big wages and also, if they don`t like it, they can leave. But ... well, just not nice is it? And especially not after all the excitement when Randy and MON first turned up. I guess the swift fall since then has made the anger even higher. As some have said in the article comments ( Click Here ) you could stick to the point about him not being a great manager without the ginger this, Scottish that.

I knew when he was linked, hence my summer press stuff about 'mission impossible` that this would happen and even reasonable things said by the club are being ripped apart (and then fans turn on fans, some try to be positive and are ripped into, those being passionately angry on the flipside also get ripped into!)

The most ... yes, I know this has turned into a ramble... worrying thing is on one hand he`s told us the camp is confident: Villa Camp Full Of Confidence before this game then after it we are told a) a 20 year old missed a few goals... not great man management b) we aren`t realistic expecting to go and win: Alex Disappointed, But Pushing On

Which is it?

'People expected us to come here and win, but we have to be realistic.'

For me, I didn`t expect a win, I expected for us ... sorry, not expected.... as a Villa fan I EXPECT us to go to any ground in the country and make a good account of ourselves. It isn`t the winning or losing so much as seeing the effort, the desire and the application. If they give their all and are beaten by a better team on the day, I don`t see that many Villa fans moaning.

But when we put up the white flag ? Not acceptable. We gave Arsenal nothing more than a training game and that is not what proud Lions expect. Is it?


I`m confused!
I have hated this season more than any other season I`ve attended and have hated seeing the look of worry/hurt/anger/upset on the Villa fans faces.
The appointment was never going to work and I can`t see any happy ending.
If he stays I just hope the summer spending is stunning and things click, still say it is mission impossible no matter how positive I try (and fail) to be.
Gutted that there are more talks about protests.
I`ve renewed, see you next season!

McLeish thread: Click Here

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Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday March 26 2012

Time: 3:31PM

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Got to agree with your ramblings Jonathan and despite the fact we have an 8 point gap after watching us against Arsenal I feel anything but safe. The clubs below us have started picking up wins and if we continue to perform like that that gap will shrink even further, never mind the damage being done to future season ticket sales we could yet have a lot more to worry about.
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26/03/2012 16:56:00

Come on JF, it's obvious what you really think. Call for his head. If you do, others will follow, imo.
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26/03/2012 17:01:00

"Best thing I read all weekend was Arseblogger comparing McLeish to a shrunken, withered, sunburnt testicle. My how I lol`d." Yep, I read that too. Well funny :-)
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26/03/2012 17:04:00

I called for his non appointment, is that similar badger0-0?!?!? There was a lot of press at the time, back page of two nationals, my own article in the Express etc. I'm not raising my head this time for protests though mate, personal circumstances would stop that anyway at present!
The Fear
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26/03/2012 17:19:00

Without all the waffle, lets keep it to the point. YES, Idiot has definately lowered our expectations and we are definately in "transition". That is from a Premier League club to a Championship Club. Not the end of this season perhaps, but if this TURD is allowed to remain as manager, then definately the end of next season!!!
Pride of Lions
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26/03/2012 17:42:00

I appreciate you don't want to get involved in protests Fear, but your word carries a lot of weight. I think that all that's needed, is to make your position clear.
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26/03/2012 18:30:00

It just shows how Negative and poisonous this man is, it just does not make sense! How can Swansea and Norwich be were they are with the sides they have? If they can do it, we can...It's ALL the manager, everything is down to him. Mcleish out!!
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26/03/2012 18:35:00

But if I do an article saying McLeish Out (and I did make it clear in the summer, I didn't want him in and pretty much everyone on this site and who I talked to in the 'real world' also didn't) then how do I not get dragged into protests etc?! Did I want McLeish NO. Did I give him a chance... yes, I think so. Has he done anything to instil any confidence? No. I don't think he has even kept to what he said in the summer. However, I'm not burdened with the job and don't get the full facts as he see's them, I'd need to sit down and talk to him for that. Would I like him to go? Yes, I'd love as dignified an exit as can be done come the end of the season at the latest. Do I want to see protests against the bloke? No. He's a nice chap, he's just not for us. Right mess really..... My only 'hope' comes in a summer of him buying who he wants and getting rid of those who don't care a jot about Villa. But it is a narrow hope really, just seen nothing in the guy to suggest he can take us forward. If he stays then I will hope and pray that he gets it right because this season and the ill will towards the management etc has been pretty horrible really hasn't it?! A hell of a lot of disappointed Villa fans, which is always my main concern, don't think we deserve it.
The Fear
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26/03/2012 18:44:00

So your position is pretty clear, but you don't want to post the headline? That's fair enough. Fwiw, I'm not mad keen on protests, especially now, but I also worry that if we don't seriously show our displeasure in our voices, the only option is boycotting tickets and merchandise. And I totally fail to see how that helps, in that you reduce income and make the situation worse.
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26/03/2012 19:02:00

If we don't get 40 points this season he should be sacked, any other season and we'd be right in the relegation mix. He'll keep us up (just) and will get the summer kitty to spend, but I dont see how he will change our style of play? All I envisage is some over aged, underwhelming signings and another season of pain. Its going to be another expensive lesson for Mr Lerner come December if we're still not performing. The stick from the fans hasn't even properly started yet but at least the media are starting to sharpen their knives.
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26/03/2012 19:37:00

We are a squad in transition BUT there is absolutely nothing on McLeish's CV to suggest he is a man who knows how to mastermind such a project of transition. I feel sorry for McLeish . The buck stops with Randy for yet another poor (in this case downright bizarre) managerial appointment. Having said that, all we can do is get behind the team and rattle off the points required to guarantee safety.
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26/03/2012 19:47:00

As many have been telling me Villa deserve to go down based on our anti football style... and i agree we are a disaster... i think the idea that randy doesn want to admit he is wrong is very true... which is pretty sad... I watch villa every week without fail and its starting to get to a point where i just cant watch it... i had to turn off the game after 70 mins last week...
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26/03/2012 19:50:00

Fear I don't think its a good enough arguement to say we shouldn't protest cause he is a nice guy, I mean he doesn't deserve the personal attacks but just casue he is nice doesn't mean fans shouldn't try everything possible to get him out, we will never move forward with ECK even if he is given 60mil to spend and buys messi and ronaldo he will turn them into crap and give them a losing mentality, he is not good for villa, he has villa fans fighting each other he has other teams laughing at us he has taken all belief, desire, and ambition from the players, he is ruining our youth players by blaming them for his incompetance instead of getting them to believe they can beat any team and try give them the mindset that they can win every game and take on any player, I mean what else does a manager have to do before he is sacked??? if he was managing a McDonalds he would have been sacked already, the fans need to start pulling in the same direction its the only way to get him out!
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26/03/2012 20:06:00

I have seen transitional sides many times down the Villa, we've been in "transition" for the last 40 years! But transition doesn't mean roll over and play dead, it doesn't mean we HAVE to play negative football It's not as if there are a great number of players who have been brought in who didn't play under MON in at least a reserve capacity, so the only real person in transition is the manager. I believe you said at the start of the season Fear that he would need to hit the ground running? well he didn't, in fact he took a step found he'd tied his shoelaces together and fell flat on his face, and whilst the rest of the EPL is racing to the finish line he is still trying to undo the knot in his laces. I lay in a hospital bed not long ago opposite the legend and great man that was Buck Chinn, who sadly never made it, but he would be horrified at the debacle at VP and you could be sure he would be at the forefront of any protest marching to Randy Lerners door demanding the removal of a man so clearly out of his depth, and let's not forget that his statement about Villa expectations about being in the upper reaches of the EPL is a contradiction to his first interview on becoming villa manager when he said that Villa would never be a "big club" again!
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26/03/2012 20:39:00

I don't think anyone should feel guilty for barracking him. He showed what kind of a man he is by turning his back on Birmingham after they showed a lot of loyalty to stick with him through 2 relegations, only to go across the city. Compare that to the way Martinez conducted himself. It's no wonder the players don't respect or play for him.
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26/03/2012 20:48:00

Never wanted him and never will, most fans feel this way. Poyet for Villa!! Eck out!!
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26/03/2012 22:03:00


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