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How To Protest?

How to protest?

I am aware that Fear is keen not to see this forum as one supporting a protest.(See my article comment as below J FEAR!)

However it is plain to see we are in a mess. I still have support for Randy and understand that he is trying to recover the clubs financial position after allowing M'ON to overspend on players, and probably worse giving them wages that no other club would touch as they reach the twighlight of their careers.

However I believe we need to see and hear from Randy now as am I am sure he must be aware of the massive unrest for the fans and apparently for the players. Leaving aside the Randy issue, how are fans due to get there voice heard? The club remove any anti McLeish posters and eject fans who have them. It is obvious that McLeish does not have the support of the fans and fans are split on wether to protest or not.

I want to protest but was disappointed that the couple of hundred or so in attendance on Sunday resorted to foul language to make there point. As soon as that happens the tv can not show the coverage.

I have 3 suggestions.

Next home game against Fulham, all fans show there support for the club by buying tickets, attending the game, but staying in the concourse areas until 3.15. If the ground is half empty but suddenly fills up at 3.15 this would get the point over without harming the clubs finances.

A vocal protest.

Very simply everybody who thinks McLeish should go simply sing 'we want McLeish out, we want McLeish out'. As soon as there is swearing it is edited by TV. The chants have to be clean. A vocal protest can not make the performances any worse so this would not cause any problems at all.

A season ticket protest.

It was the lack of season ticket sales that eventually forced O'Deary out of the club. When the club realise at the end of June that renewals are down and no new applications are coming in the money men will have to make the decision. We generated £9m in season tickets this season I believe. As soon as they drops below £5m it it cheaper to sack McLeish than to lose revenue. Does anybody have any other ideas on how to get rid of McLeish or are there still fans who think he should be given another season?

voiceoftheholte

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Writer: voiceoftheholte Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday February 14 2012

Time: 1:42PM

Your Comments

Just on the opening point my good man. I am not pro or anti the site being used to discuss (although in the forum and in article comments the lack of respect between people with differing views does annoy.

What I wasn't keen on mate, was the press quoting it as a Vital Villa protest. It isn't, this is an open site (hence when submitted I put up the protest info, put up this article for you etc. That is only right to do and then I get slated by those thinking I'm 'fanning flames' and with me saying I don't protest I'm a kiss arse to the board. I'm buggered either way!)

I also didn't want to look like I was trying to take credit for the protests OR that I was doing them and hijacking what was someone elses idea. I also thought (and still think) the timing was wrong BUT as I said many times in the thread and in private messages to the very nice bloke organising it, I respect those who stand up for their club and their right to do so.

Hope that is a bit clearer? I'm not in good enough health even if I wanted to (I don't) to be organising or joining in with protests.

For me, the time that fans could have stood up and really made an impact was the summer, but the protests were a shambles with people climbing the fences/gates etc. Should have been 10 000 down there in the summer saying NO. I did my bit trying to convince against and a good amount in the press (Mission Impossible... in the papers, on the radio, on tv... even made the back page of the Express) but when a manager is appointed that is me done, I try to see the best and support. Fine, it hasn't worked as wanted and yes, I'm scared.

For me the next four games are CRUCIAL to Aston Villa OUR club... no way are protests at the moment needed, quite the opposite, if the players can't do it on their own, then they will need the twelth man doing it, no matter how peed off we are with them and their lack of fight this year. If we lose too many of the next four, then that is it, things will be at crisis point, at that point it would be right to remove him and get a caretaker manager in. If they don't then ... gulp. The games after are mostly against the big boys.

Once safe, then is the time for you all to be vocal and show you aren't having this next season.

Just my humble opinion, if well enough, I'm there shouting and cheering (as you will be voice, you always are) even if I'm inwardly seething at the lack of heart in the team/manager.
The Fear
With so few going to the protest (and I understand why you are annoyed, enough keyboard warriors on the internet to make people believe an organised protest would have 10 000 there, not a couple of hundred. But you keep trying and only have low turn outs and you undo what you want to happen and make it look like the silent majority are indeed behind the manager?
I honestly doubt you would ever get it organised in a way that fans would agree to miss the start of a game, we discussed during Ellis protests but all agreed, we are fans, we are there to support the team, no matter how good it would look and how strong a message it WOULD send out IF fans could organise it, I just can't see you ever being able to.

Season tickets. You don't need to organise anything there to be fair, I think they will be much lower (there is a poll in the 100% Villa part of this forum at moment). Thing is though, for me, no manager is going to drive me away. Call me a mug if you wish, but my money is there again next season for 'my' seat, I'm not losing that and unless my brain aches really dictate enough is enough, I can't see me not going at all.
The Fear
I have to agree with FEAR protests now will not help, but at the same time I would do anything to get rid of this manager but I really feel the board don't care about protests, if they did then they would never have appointed ECK due to the protests last year, the best way to hit them is their pocket and I honestly don't think anyone will need to organise anything for that to happen as a lot of ppl will not be renewing their season tickets and even I have said I won't go to a villa game with ECK in charge, I have said before I have never been to a game I just can't afford it but I have bought a lot of merchandise Jerseys, T-Shirts, Jackets, cups, glasses, scarfs you name it if its got villa on it I have it even playing cards LOL so im sure their are more like me who don't want their 1st game to be with ECK in charge, but I have great respect for season tickets holders and dream 1 day of joining that elite club I feel ye are the 1s who really have a voice in Villa, if none of ye renewed ye're tickets until ECK is sacked im sure it would not be long before he is and for fans like you FEAR who will get your ticket no matter what ye could wait till the last minute and still have no problem getting 1 so im not saying don't buy 1 at all just to wait as long as possible and make the board sweat a bit;)thats the only ay I think Randy or the board will listen I feel.
KerryVillian
YAWN! The protests had a massive affect Sunday didn't they. Support the team until they are safe then assess where we are. Randy will not get rid during the season and boycotting games simply hurts the club more that people supposedly support. Football is about the good and the bad times, if he goes and the new manager is in the same position where do we go then?
AVNath
Support the team until we are safe. Feck Eck by all means, but why would anyone want to unsettle players who are already suffering a crises of confidence while there is a possibility of us going down? And it is a distinct possibility which grows ever greater with the games we play (and lose or draw). The only ones who can get us out of the mire are the players, like them or not. They are already hamstrung by an inept manager. Why add extra pressure at this crucial time?
Rawlie
My protest will come in the summer along with the 3 others we sit with when we will not renew, money men understand one thing and thats money, they wont listen to the protests until it hits the pockets. As for comments above I do agree that the players are scared as it is, a bad atmosphere will make it even worse. We need to stay in the division and then go from there. For the record my protest is at Eck but equally Lerner and Faulkner for apointing him and what they have done the last two years - We have became a laughing stock and all the good work is very quickly being undone. The Blues stuff with Eck does not bother me apart from the fact we have taken a failure from them - If we had taken a top manager from them I would be chuffed to bits.
cb_82
McLeish is clearly not the man to restore Villa to anything approaching former glories. The question, therefore, is does he go now or in the summer? If now who would replace him. Martinez made a mistake rejecting the Villa in the summer. To approach him now would surely be a get-out-of-jail card for him. Wigan's problems are probably more to do with harsh economic reality not bad coaching. As for the Anti-Lerner brigade. Two words. Glasgow Rangers.
VillaWillRiseAgain
MON had to go, purely because he couldn't grasp financial and modern football reality. Villa last won the league using just 14 players. MON thought he could get the club into the CL with a similar number whilst utilizing (or rather not utilizing) a bunch of unused bench warmers on millionaire wages. He had to go. However, I agree with anyone who says or thinks that Lerner and Faulkner have made a total Pigs Ear of recruiting his successors. The current problems of the club can be traced back to one of several events (take your pick). The injury to Laursen, the refusal to march on Moscow, the disastorous implosion against Stoke City that followed, the sale of Milner and the subsequent departure of MON or the appointment of Houllier. All of these events have one thing in common. They are in the past. The current problem-McLeish's uninspired management-is in the present. The future will ultimately be determined by who replaces him.
VillaWillRiseAgain
IMHO waiting for the summers' season ticket sale figures is waiting far too late to get rid of the Idiot. Also. when exactly will we be safe... if ever? I personally think the vocal protest is best, but NOT during the match, we need to support the team. I think as soon as the final whistle is blown would be the best..... and that starts next home match. It isn't going to happen overnight, so start ASAP and build on it... ie every home match until the end of the season..... perhaps the penny will have dropped by then.
Pride of Lions
Yes Pride, all this bull**** talk of waiting till we are safe??? It's because of Ecks inability that we aren't safe already, so to support him in doing something that he's incapable of is backwards. The team need our support. I reckon the crowd should do an " Alex, Alex give us a wave" and as soon as he does he gets dogs abuse from everyone. Villawillriseagain, all the points you raise should've been overseen by Randy. He is to blame for our boom and bust situation.
Villan444
We'll be lucky to secure 3 points out of our next four games .... and considering some are below us then we could be 18th in three weeks time ...... we aren't cut out for a relegation fight, they can't motivate themselves for average games and with Keane gone, no leader on the pitch. I'm hoping for 12 and safety but just can't see this clown doing it ...... plus it'll give Nzog, Ireland and Bent the way out of a sinking ship as its bound to be written in their contracts about relegation. I just can't keep hoping game after game it's getting worse ......... I hope the ST's halve in price if we do go down !! UTV
astonmilan
Fear I read a few articles on different websites stating Vital Villa as the people pushing the protests and I was disgusted. If those *****s bothered to read the site for five minutes they'd know Vital Villa were promoting it, they were simply doing what the site does and opening up discussions, bad bad reporting and I understand your frustrations as it annoyed me too and I was for the protests. Anyway on Eck bugger this waiting to we are safe talk, he put us here and he could well drag us right into the thick of it with he pure negative football. I'm all for doing what ever we can to get him out now, the mans a disaster for us and every minute he's here he is hurting us. Now is the perfect time to get him out, replace him and give the new manager the rest of the season to look at his players. Then the new man can make his decisions on his squad in the summer and we can start next year on the right foot, unlike the last few. Why wait and get rid of Eck in the summer?? Then the new manager will want to run his rule over his players before making and real moves with the players. Before we know it another season will be gone. Eck out ASAP the sooner the better, the appointment is cursed and will never go right. Wigan next, I'm scared and it's Wigan?!
AdzVilla11
Correction WEREN'T promoting it sorry
AdzVilla11
Too complicated. Just STOP going to the games!!! Paying 40 odd quid for a set up far from the Aston Villa we love and recognise is ridiculous. RL will only listen when Villa Park is half empty. VILLA FANS PROTEST WITH YOUR FEET.
Timmsy
leave it until the summer !!!
marshyboy87
BBC Figures Martin O’Neill 6 11 8 27 31 -4 29 Gerard Houllier 6 8 11 31 42 -11 26 Mcleish 6 10 9 29 34 -5 28
TheFullTilt
I dont think these protests will have ny affect at all in my opinion as we did this before Eck was appointed and he still got the job - were turning into blackburn fans never happy ok fair doos the manager is a bluenose but also the players are to blame aswell for there gutless performances and no ambision at all apart from King Carlos
Ted 369
FFS ted, you obviously haven't been watching all season or are more than prepared to watch any old negative excuse for football. There's always some tw@ that mentions that he was at the bloose. Most don't ******** care. The shocking football is why he must go.
Villan444
www.mcleishout.co.uk have a petition - have signed it for a start
thorpyuk
Can we at least hold off the protests for the next 4 games? As fear said those 4 are crucial, if we get 3 wins out of 4 I think we would be pretty much safe, then we can turn our attention to who we want as manager next year. Sacking him now will not help, with our boards track record by the time they appoint someone it will be the start of next season!
Lion Heart
All this is making me feel ill. Having this clown as manager is almost like being told you have cancer, and it's untreatable =( It's awful to see the distress this botched appointment has had on the club, and to watch the anger and apathy spread over the fanbase. All i can say is wait and see how attendances go... the board must take note! The only thing i'm able to take heart from is that we now as a fanbase seem to start to gel together. I think it's fair to say that almost to a man nobody wants him - we all want him out. Opinion is just split as to when and how to do it!
thorpyuk
What is becoming apparent is the club is now sending the PR spin into overdrive in support of McMuppet. We have had a couple of senior players coming out in support of him (allegedley, their performances would have you know the real story). There were the foam hands given out on Sunday to combat the protest. Now on the officia website Faulkner is saying how Randy is often over here (when was the last time?), and that he talks daily to McMuppet who he has forged a close relationship with!!! McMuppet and his team are now in America to forge working partnerships with the failing Cleveland Browns. So one set of losers are educating another set of losers on how to build a club. You simply couldn't make it up. We are in trouble. The club is in meltdown. It is a good job the club put some points on the table reasonably early before McMuppets methods were forced on the team. Now we are fully into his way of operating it is palin to see why he has been a failure everywhere he has been. It will be interesting to see what the club does to boost the attendance for the Bolton game live on Sky at the end of March? Short of kids for a quid or free tickets the attendance for that game could well be below 25,000. Now that will really start bring it home to Randy. Maybe that should be the next protest? Boycott the Bolton game. Get this protest going now. All the fan websites to work together to drive this muppet from VP. And as for fans saying now is the time for support . . . . get real!!! We are on the longest and most incredible run of poor performances at Villa Park in years. This run was during a period of 'support'. A protest can not make results worse!!!!!
voiceoftheholte
Voice you are not one of hundreds that think Mcleish is the wrong man for the job but one of many thousands. You ask the right questions at the end of your piece how to protest. Unlike Mr Fear I am of the opinion that any verbal protest regardless of when it is made will be ignored.We have to convince one man he has made the wrong choice Mr Lerner. I respect the views of others who want to give Mcleish more time, and think the players are getting off very lightly in this and arent shouldering their share of the blame for poor results. Ireland would have been shipped out by now if Mcleish hadnt ressurected his career,Nzobia was the managers flagship signing and has rarely sparked, yes I know the comments about tactics and do think Mcleish is inept in that department but thats no excuse for a player not putting in an honest shift.I think regardless of our opinions this will only be resolved at the end of the season and as you say money talks low season ticket sales which at the moment look a near certainty will get Mr
Merlin128777
Terribly sorry, and I'm mindful of Fear's observations regarding disrespect when people disagree but Thorpy, did you actually say our current plight is along the lines of having cancer? REALLY? I agree you'll struggle to find anyone happy with McLeish and even the most optimistic fans must be peeved. I've written a coupe of empassioned articles myself but cancer? You utterly discredited what was a more than fair appraisal. Get a grip, guv!
revolutionatlast
relolutionlast, it was just an analagy, and of course not... it's just a manner of speaking. We as villa fans need to be united in our aims of getting rid of this awful muppet before we go down, or there are only 15k fans at the games... sorry if it caused any offense, certainly none was meant! UTV, down with Eck.
thorpyuk
Thorpy, trust me my good man, having a bad manager IS NOT like being told you have cancer, like a few good folks on here have suffered and some have lost the fight... or in my case a brain disease. That is the real world, this is FOOTBALL. Sorry mate, had to pull you up on that point, it is a totally totally totally different thing altogether. Managers come, managers go. Villa fans (well some) remain.
the fear
Merlin, no worries, sorted the multi posting! Yes, yes, I REALLY am that powerful, awe inspiring I know!
the fear
I see that for some it is still MON's fault. I also see he's now making a complete mess of managing Sunderland.
chocolate teapot
Chocolate teapot, some people complained about MON and never knew how good they had it. Eck could have all the money in the world and still be negative, boring and draw the vast majority of games whilst claiming he is a master of tactics. No-one will ever employ Eck again after his true colours have been shamefully displayed in charge of a team that does get some of the limelight. He's got away with it in the shadows of a team that had no expectations. The commentators were all slagging off the Villans for being fickle and not accepting a bloonose at the start of the man city game, they changed their tune after having to endure that embarrassin performance. Eck however was very pleased with it. He's on his own.
Villan444
He is part of the equation Mr Teapot? He'll no doubt do the same at Sunderland, as far as I'm concerned, he has at his other clubs. But hey, think we have enough debates going on without arguing over that one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the fear
It's the worse most negative football we have seen at Villa park in years and the biggest divide in fans as well. This isn't good and never will be. Eck out end of
AdzVilla11
No divide on the McMuppet issue adzvilla. It could't be any clearer, the fans want him out. The only divide is on how to force the issue now or how to force it at the end of the season. A majority (slight majority according to the polls want to force it now) with a significant minority wanting to wait until the end of the season. But nearly everybody is united in the fact that they want him gone.
voiceoftheholte
No divide on the McMuppet issue adzvilla. It could't be any clearer, the fans want him out. The only divide is on how to force the issue now or how to force it at the end of the season. A majority (slight majority according to the polls want to force it now) with a significant minority wanting to wait until the end of the season. But nearly everybody is united in the fact that they want him gone.
voiceoftheholte
Totally agree with Timmsy. JUST STOP GOING!! My saturdays/ sundays make a little less eventful but it's better than watching the horse $h1t McTw@t serves up.
Bobby Norman
Mr Fear I bow to your superior technical knowledge. But your still gunna get relegated from the fantasy league at the end of the season lol
Merlin128777
I can handle the results but I cant handle us not trying to win at home. The games against the 2 Manchester sides have been my lowest points as a Villa fan, I dont mind losing but trying to hold on to being just 1 - 0 down until the 85th minuite before we start trying to play football and attack is not the game I fell in love with!!
Chelt Villan
Protesting is pointless... I want rid of alex but i would put my house on it that he wont be going anytime soon... regardless of what happens...
CDX_EIRE
lol Merlin, like a dagger in my heart that!
The Fear
 

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