How To Protest?

Just on the opening point my good man. I am not pro or anti the site being used to discuss (although in the forum and in article comments the lack of respect between people with differing views does annoy.

What I wasn't keen on mate, was the press quoting it as a Vital Villa protest. It isn't, this is an open site (hence when submitted I put up the protest info, put up this article for you etc. That is only right to do and then I get slated by those thinking I'm 'fanning flames' and with me saying I don't protest I'm a kiss arse to the board. I'm buggered either way!)

I also didn't want to look like I was trying to take credit for the protests OR that I was doing them and hijacking what was someone elses idea. I also thought (and still think) the timing was wrong BUT as I said many times in the thread and in private messages to the very nice bloke organising it, I respect those who stand up for their club and their right to do so.

Hope that is a bit clearer? I'm not in good enough health even if I wanted to (I don't) to be organising or joining in with protests.

For me, the time that fans could have stood up and really made an impact was the summer, but the protests were a shambles with people climbing the fences/gates etc. Should have been 10 000 down there in the summer saying NO. I did my bit trying to convince against and a good amount in the press (Mission Impossible... in the papers, on the radio, on tv... even made the back page of the Express) but when a manager is appointed that is me done, I try to see the best and support. Fine, it hasn't worked as wanted and yes, I'm scared.

For me the next four games are CRUCIAL to Aston Villa OUR club... no way are protests at the moment needed, quite the opposite, if the players can't do it on their own, then they will need the twelth man doing it, no matter how peed off we are with them and their lack of fight this year. If we lose too many of the next four, then that is it, things will be at crisis point, at that point it would be right to remove him and get a caretaker manager in. If they don't then ... gulp. The games after are mostly against the big boys.

Once safe, then is the time for you all to be vocal and show you aren't having this next season.

Just my humble opinion, if well enough, I'm there shouting and cheering (as you will be voice, you always are) even if I'm inwardly seething at the lack of heart in the team/manager.

I have to agree with FEAR protests now will not help, but at the same time I would do anything to get rid of this manager but I really feel the board don't care about protests, if they did then they would never have appointed ECK due to the protests last year, the best way to hit them is their pocket and I honestly don't think anyone will need to organise anything for that to happen as a lot of ppl will not be renewing their season tickets and even I have said I won't go to a villa game with ECK in charge, I have said before I have never been to a game I just can't afford it but I have bought a lot of merchandise Jerseys, T-Shirts, Jackets, cups, glasses, scarfs you name it if its got villa on it I have it even playing cards LOL so im sure their are more like me who don't want their 1st game to be with ECK in charge, but I have great respect for season tickets holders and dream 1 day of joining that elite club I feel ye are the 1s who really have a voice in Villa, if none of ye renewed ye're tickets until ECK is sacked im sure it would not be long before he is and for fans like you FEAR who will get your ticket no matter what ye could wait till the last minute and still have no problem getting 1 so im not saying don't buy 1 at all just to wait as long as possible and make the board sweat a bit;)thats the only ay I think Randy or the board will listen I feel.

Support the team until we are safe. Feck Eck by all means, but why would anyone want to unsettle players who are already suffering a crises of confidence while there is a possibility of us going down? And it is a distinct possibility which grows ever greater with the games we play (and lose or draw). The only ones who can get us out of the mire are the players, like them or not. They are already hamstrung by an inept manager. Why add extra pressure at this crucial time?

McLeish is clearly not the man to restore Villa to anything approaching former glories. The question, therefore, is does he go now or in the summer? If now who would replace him. Martinez made a mistake rejecting the Villa in the summer. To approach him now would surely be a get-out-of-jail card for him. Wigan's problems are probably more to do with harsh economic reality not bad coaching. As for the Anti-Lerner brigade. Two words. Glasgow Rangers.

IMHO waiting for the summers' season ticket sale figures is waiting far too late to get rid of the Idiot. Also. when exactly will we be safe... if ever? I personally think the vocal protest is best, but NOT during the match, we need to support the team. I think as soon as the final whistle is blown would be the best..... and that starts next home match. It isn't going to happen overnight, so start ASAP and build on it... ie every home match until the end of the season..... perhaps the penny will have dropped by then.

We'll be lucky to secure 3 points out of our next four games .... and considering some are below us then we could be 18th in three weeks time ...... we aren't cut out for a relegation fight, they can't motivate themselves for average games and with Keane gone, no leader on the pitch. I'm hoping for 12 and safety but just can't see this clown doing it ...... plus it'll give Nzog, Ireland and Bent the way out of a sinking ship as its bound to be written in their contracts about relegation. I just can't keep hoping game after game it's getting worse ......... I hope the ST's halve in price if we do go down !! UTV

Correction WEREN'T promoting it sorry

leave it until the summer !!!

I dont think these protests will have ny affect at all in my opinion as we did this before Eck was appointed and he still got the job - were turning into blackburn fans never happy ok fair doos the manager is a bluenose but also the players are to blame aswell for there gutless performances and no ambision at all apart from King Carlos

www.mcleishout.co.uk have a petition - have signed it for a start

All this is making me feel ill. Having this clown as manager is almost like being told you have cancer, and it's untreatable =( It's awful to see the distress this botched appointment has had on the club, and to watch the anger and apathy spread over the fanbase. All i can say is wait and see how attendances go... the board must take note! The only thing i'm able to take heart from is that we now as a fanbase seem to start to gel together. I think it's fair to say that almost to a man nobody wants him - we all want him out. Opinion is just split as to when and how to do it!

Voice you are not one of hundreds that think Mcleish is the wrong man for the job but one of many thousands. You ask the right questions at the end of your piece how to protest. Unlike Mr Fear I am of the opinion that any verbal protest regardless of when it is made will be ignored.We have to convince one man he has made the wrong choice Mr Lerner. I respect the views of others who want to give Mcleish more time, and think the players are getting off very lightly in this and arent shouldering their share of the blame for poor results. Ireland would have been shipped out by now if Mcleish hadnt ressurected his career,Nzobia was the managers flagship signing and has rarely sparked, yes I know the comments about tactics and do think Mcleish is inept in that department but thats no excuse for a player not putting in an honest shift.I think regardless of our opinions this will only be resolved at the end of the season and as you say money talks low season ticket sales which at the moment look a near certainty will get Mr

relolutionlast, it was just an analagy, and of course not... it's just a manner of speaking. We as villa fans need to be united in our aims of getting rid of this awful muppet before we go down, or there are only 15k fans at the games... sorry if it caused any offense, certainly none was meant! UTV, down with Eck.

Merlin, no worries, sorted the multi posting! Yes, yes, I REALLY am that powerful, awe inspiring I know!

Chocolate teapot, some people complained about MON and never knew how good they had it. Eck could have all the money in the world and still be negative, boring and draw the vast majority of games whilst claiming he is a master of tactics. No-one will ever employ Eck again after his true colours have been shamefully displayed in charge of a team that does get some of the limelight. He's got away with it in the shadows of a team that had no expectations. The commentators were all slagging off the Villans for being fickle and not accepting a bloonose at the start of the man city game, they changed their tune after having to endure that embarrassin performance. Eck however was very pleased with it. He's on his own.

It's the worse most negative football we have seen at Villa park in years and the biggest divide in fans as well. This isn't good and never will be. Eck out end of

No divide on the McMuppet issue adzvilla. It could't be any clearer, the fans want him out. The only divide is on how to force the issue now or how to force it at the end of the season. A majority (slight majority according to the polls want to force it now) with a significant minority wanting to wait until the end of the season. But nearly everybody is united in the fact that they want him gone.

Mr Fear I bow to your superior technical knowledge. But your still gunna get relegated from the fantasy league at the end of the season lol

Protesting is pointless... I want rid of alex but i would put my house on it that he wont be going anytime soon... regardless of what happens...