Form/Positives & Where Will Points Come From?

Only 1 problem Revua - we sack the manager after the blues game - we then need a manager in in 24 hours (who?) then he has to evaluate who he needs and get them in and who should go and all that in a space of a couple of days - Jeez buying and selling and managing a club must be so easy - it just takes a couple of minutes to buy a player - get his medical - agree terms - sign him - put him in the team and bob's your uncle - instant success!

I'm actually rather annoyed how literal people take this. Stop being so dramatic.

I'm sorry los angeles but your nuts have you seen the way we are playing? with wolves, fulham, west ham, all starting to pick up points the only way is down with frenchie in charge. we need to sack him after we get smashed by chelsea and get someone else in.

Zarch we have 20 points from 19 games and to say that we will get another 20 points from our next 20 games is about right in my book. We have 4 points from the last 7 games and only 13 from the last 14 games since frenchie has been in charge. So where do you think the points are going to come from? The horrible truth is that we are in the poo and need a change and we need it now the players are not behind frenchie, most of the fans are not behind him either, his transfer record is pretty pants (going on about ronaldo what a load of rubbish). So if you think he is going to buy us out of trouble your deluded. And if he was given a load of cash in transfer window and we still went down then it could be a leeds all over again. GET RID NOW

What I'd be interested to see is a league table starting from the the 4th or 5th game of the season, since GH took over. I imagine that we'd be bottom?

Call me deluded then. I keep changing my mind when it comes to gh but the one thing i realise is this... He's not gonna change.. for anyone. his attitude is clearly Shape up or ship out. I'm starting to wonder if its his ability to manage or the players attitude towards his ideals. MON gave them their own way on the proviso they did what HE wanted on the pitch. that stuff clearly doesn't fly with GH and fair enough! MON didn't get us into champs league and gave us quick exits in the europa league. La di Effing Da. to me its becoming a little clear that its the latter. Its time the players change their god damn tune. they might not like it but if they want that claret & blue shirt they gotta earn it and it's damn obvious why players like pires is always getting on the field.

avbornandbred you say 'Its impossible to look at fixtures in cold isolation and say who we will and won't beat' There is some truth in what you say, but lets be honest it's the only thing you can do when your in the *****! don't tell me you've never done it when we've been in the top 6, if we win this draw that we could be in the champions league! we all have, so why any different now, 13 points in 14 games, any other team and you would be saying they're going down, we're not talking about a 2-3 game bad run, after the Chelsea game, which lets be honest we don't look like we'll get anything from, 53% of the season will have gone, and our run rate is 0.9 points a game for the last 47% we need to increase that to 1.4 points a game to get to 45 points thats a win every 2 games to be safe, and at the moment we have a 1 win in 3 ratio, and from where i'm stood that means we are in the ***** big style, but lets hope for all our sakes this time the statistics are wrong!

Thanks for the feedback guys and I'm sorry if I do come across negative a lot of the times. I'm really trying to look for positive outcome out of this. I just don't want us to leave this to late like some clubs have in the past. Some asked which manager I would replace him with and If still available it would be Martin Jol. He was the man we needed to steady the ship if KM was not given the chance for six months. I'm sure most fans and players would universally welcome Jol which would be a major start. He has experience of getting teams away from the relegation unlike Houllier. His win percentage is way above Houllier's. He has a very good transfer record. Some players I would not mind a villa now for the prices paid are Janie O'Hara 250k Dawson 3.5m Lennon 800k Huddlestone 2m Jenas 7m Murphy 2m Berbatov 10.9m Ekotto 3.5m Zakora 5.2m Bale 7.5m Bent 16.5m Kaboul 8.2m. Yes not every transfer he made worked out but most of those did not cost the earth or the money was recouped. I read an article the other day from a spurs fan listing his three worst transfer at spurs, they were in his opinion, Bent, Read(who they recovered their money) and Murphy. I wish they had been our three worst transfers ;-). For those that don't agree with my predictions please trying doing your own and see what you come up with. I only had us down for one home lose for the rest of the season which may be a bit optimistic. For those that also think Houllier will get us out of this please remember when he did ok at other clubs he had a very different back room staff and assistant manager. He does not have a good assistant mangers now and his failings are been shown up. Also remember he failed at the job he was brought to do at LIverpool. Yes he won a couple of league titles at Lyon but this was with a team so far ahead of anyone else they had won the league the four seasons before him. He also failed there as he was bought in to do well in Europe. The only record he has is keeping a teams where they were already. Looks like we are next on his list of failing what he was bought in to do. His record is not good if you read between the lines. Something else to remember is most of our points were gained when GH took over, the longer he is here the worst we get. I know some fixtures have got harder but these were games we were winning last season. Maybe his first few results were more accredited to MON or KM management training still being used by the players.

As we lose more games , confidence will worse and so the next half of the season in my opinion will be slightly worse...after watching the games recently, I'm struggling to see the name of a team we can beat...We need some top class signings and who the hell will want to come here ? I like Houllier as a man...he's a nice guy...but as our manager...enough's enough.

well said voice!

I disagree Voice of the Holte... Yes I agree with singing your heart out at the games.. Something that could be improved greatly as atmosphere most of the time is pathetic at Villa Park with a little noise from the Upper Holte and the rest of the ground making no noise at all! However this so called negativity is based on facts and history of how this league goes... We are currently showing no desire, fight or commitment on the pitch... We also show no clue on how to defend and look toothless up front... This all from a team that last year had one of the best defensive records in the league... We now have the worst defensive record in the league, worst goal difference and are currently the worst team in the league (on form which by the way stretches back over 16 games, 14 points from last 16 games) These are all horrible FACTS of our season to date... The rot has set in and the confidence is at an all time low... Mark Lawrenson is describing our performance at Man City as THE WORST BY ANY SIDE THIS SEASON IN THE PREMIERSHIP... So that means it was even worse than Liverpool away and Newcastle away, teams who thrashed us and yet have both been beaten at home by Blackpool! We are in massive trouble and its no good saying this is doom talk.. I want something done about it before its too late... Houllier will take us to the Sheff Wed/Leeds land but someone like Martin Jol with a 45% win percentage in this league (better than MON) would have a far better chance of giving us a bright future..

Revua, so you love the players and its okay if they screw the club by losing every game until GH goes? GH has obviously been totally unreasonable, I mean asking players to turn up in the afternoons to train is out of order, requesting that they live a reasonable distance from the club is ridiculous and as for asking them to pass the ball to someone in the same colour strip rather than just hoofing it, well.. Totally understandable why they should be disgruntled, I mean on £20k a week they're just not paid enough to put up with that kind of nonesense. No point sacking GH (even though I don't rate him) because any half decent manager would ask for the same and get the same response from the muppets causing the problems

AvBornandbred - Why do you try and turn around what I said? I didn't say it was ok or right what they players do but then none of us know what the players are doing or what Houllier's is doing exactly. What I do know is Gerrard Houller comes across very badly by having public arguments in the press with our players or criticising them. He does look very good at man management. This tells me it looks like Houllier is the problem not the players and as the players did not kick up a fuss before or when at other clubs about training then why is it all of a sudden the players fault? The only thing that changed was the Manager! Again I'm not saying its right but it is fact which you will never stop happening that humans will be put out if they don't like someone no matter what money they are earning. Its up to Houllier in implement new things in the way the players will accept and agree with. Not say there you go like it or lump it as no one will respond to that. Again I don't even know if Houllier has done that but what I do know that he has upset a lot of players and no players are coming out saying how great he is! A lot of the things I say are based on Fact (yes some presuming) The Houllier supporting party seem to base everything on what they presume and hope is happening.

lads... ALL WINS!! CARN THE VILLA! It's a new year!!! carn you mighty villans! screw the press... screw the jibes... screw everyone! time to show em Hou's Boss!!!

always the fans fault with you voiceoftheholte as you know, I don't really get it. With you re: booing but how was Man City 'our' fault? The stay away fans, yes, that is a problem, they aren't all as mad as us going to anything though, especially in these hard economic times. The players and manager (don't care which one) owe us as well surely? As Lawro said (yeah, yeah, you'll all say you don't care what he says, but he is a former player and watches more games than most due to his job) "Aston Villa's 'display' against Manchester City on Tuesday was the most woeful I have seen from a team in the Premier League this year. It was embarrassing."

Revua, I'm not twisting what you say, it is exactly how your post reads. Then above you claim the GH supporting brigade are speculating but you yourself are basing most of what you quote as fact on what is written in the tabloids and the rest ie "maybe the players deliberately threw away the win against Man Ure" is the work of your own imagination. We all have our opinions and all of us use exactly the same sources of information. How we interpret that information is the only difference. In this case you choose to blame the manager, whilst I choose to apportion most of the blame to some of the players. Time will tell who is right. Lets just hope that we are still in the prem.