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Over Zealous Coppers Arrest Singing Villans

This is a public Lions warning!!!

Please, when attending games or travelling to and from games, don`t sing.

If you do, you are in line for an 80 fine or like one of my (none trouble making, good honest family man) friends, appear in court this morning.

We made our way back from The Stadium of Lost Maine Road Souls or whatever Man City call their stadium now, I asked one policeman if he could arrest the Villa team as they were mascaraing as a football club, he laughed and said he didn`t think he could!

We made our way out, back in the pub, the atmosphere muted - obviously - spoke to some decent Man City fans (they are very like Villa, seen so many ups and downs, lets face it, mainly downs over the years) and then walked to our train. No noise, no trouble, good decent lads, not a scrapper amongst us.

We got to our train and got told rudely by the police that we had to get the 'football` train not the one our tickets were valid for. I didn`t want that other train, it was full, but we got on as lets face it, football fans have no say, no right to argue and no human rights full stop.

Right, onto a packed train, we had to walk all the way down to the bottom carriage and most couldn`t get a seat. I got one, I can`t stand for that long due to my very great age (41!). The lads I had met and had a laugh with in the pub before the game were there so we were all talking away. Now this was a quiet zone, however this wasn`t our train, we were 'forced` onto it and the train was packed. We had to be somewhere. It was also labelled a 'football train` by the police/British Rail guys telling us to get on it.

One of the lads swore a few times, not the worst crime in the world and was then warned ... he apologised and also spoke with the policeman and a couple of youngsters on the train. Feelings were running high, it was football, adrenalin gets the better of you and there was plenty to talk and moan about!



A few songs were sung but judging by most away days, really not many. I was sitting at the back and had a few chats with a couple of very decent police guys who were standing there as was their job. No issue, no problem, decent guys and the one was interested in talking football. They told a few to not swear during the journey pointing at a couple of passengers by me (who both had ipods on in a quiet zone... another massive crime! so probably didn`t hear a word being said anyway)... pretty much and judging by the woeful football the banter was high, the mood muted.

Then some thought we were in Brum (we weren`t, we had stopped at Wolverhampton!) and started singing 'my old man`.... anyone that knows me will know I don`t sing blues songs unless we are playing them as they don`t exist unless in front of Villa. The mood changed, the police went to the smallest guy (now fair enough, he`d been told not to swear) and more police came rushing in. The beardo weirdo (who no other policeman would take responsibility for 'we don`t know him mate` etc) came flying in like a bull in a China shop. We had ONE more station to go for goodness sake, all they had to do was say sit down and shut up... but oh no.... my mate was grabbed ... there were about 20 singing the song but they grabbed one person, amongst the smallest and one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet (and I`d not say that if he was a thug, I`d say tough luck, your doing, bad luck!).

Another mate then said to the beardo weirdo 'if you arrest him, then we were all singing` to which the copper replied angrily (the others had been calm and good at keeping things muted) 'I`m glad you`ve said that, you`ve admitted guilt, come here I`m taking you as well`. Our mate stood there a bit baffled and then the copper shout 'do you want me to come and get you or are you coming here`... he went to the copper thinking he was going to have a conversation about why our mate had been arrested. No, he got arrested. Again, this is a Vital regular, a guy I`d vouch for any day of the week, a stand up gent and again, one of the nicest people you will ever meet, not a fighter, a thug or a criminal. He has no record, no history, nothing. Again, if he was like some I know I`d just think tough luck but to be arrested for asking why his mate had been arrested was just woeful.

They both got 80 fines, if they hadn`t accepted them they`d have been taken to the cells for the night. Blackmail basically.

We all got off the train and weren`t allowed to go. Nope, they wanted all our details. I asked the policeman taking mine why he needed my name, address, date of birth and where I was born. I had sat on the train the whole way, I`d talked to a policeman for a good while etc. He said he didn`t know! lol. You can`t really argue with that and to be fair, I had nothing to argue about, I have nothing to hide, no record and I`ve never been in trouble at games, not my style or interest all that. I gave my details and started to go, he said he`d not finished with me yet LOL. Well, I don`t know what you are meant to do!

I kept asking for the number of the beardo weirdo, the others to be fair to them, were pretty good natured and it is a bugger of a job really, but none of them knew him... ahem!

So there you go, my mates have to decide whether to appeal. I`d not, as if they do it can go to court and could lead to a record I would assume. All for singing a song...?

So there you go, two 80 fines and no idea what the outcome for the other mate will be.

The world is a strange place.... so be careful next time you want to sing is all I`ll say!




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Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday December 29 2010

Time: 10:36AM

Your Comments

ACAB always were all always will be.
col8
You should've started singing i smell bacon i smell bacon it's a pig it's a pig.
Spen
Come on Fear. We don't (yet) live in a police state. You were under no obligation to give him any details. Police can only demand your name and address if you are arrested (or driving - don't ask).Did no one have a camera? Better still a video camera? Just watch how the police back off when they think there is going to be some real evidence available (rather than the made up stuff they produce).
chocolate teapot
if it only ended in a spot fine for 80 tell them not to pay, it really is as simple as that, iv been hauled up in front of fines courts (many reasons) for roughly a combined anount of 5000, only ever been forced to pay 70, a simple "wasnt me your honor, some one must have used my details".
Astonian Villan
Thought it less hassle to give my details Mr Teapot purely because I have nothing to hide at all, had done nothing (the copper by us would have had to admit that, I was really tired and was just sitting down... I did tell them and a couple laughed, that they had hair envy and were just having a go because of my good looks!) and if I'd not given details, I'd assume I would have been arrested and life is too short. In days gone by my mouth would have got the better of me as I do so hate injustice but I've learnt the older I get that sometimes there are arguments that you just can't win and so why expend any energy trying?!
The Fear
oh and I must say I was really impressed with my two mates, they took it well, the one had his arm behind his back and was shoved out, now if that had happened to me...... not so sure my temper would have been as in check as that sort of thing would trigger my brain ache pains! They weren't intimidated but they weren't causing the fuss that some do (again, you do that, there is only ever one winner!) Was proud of them to be fair.
The Fear
must admit Astonian, I'd pay up and move on. If it went to court they could end up (I assume) with a criminal record for nothing basically. I'll chip in if they let me, would be a pleasure actually, would rather that than any other rubbish following on from this for them. They don't deserve that.
The Fear
You have to remember Fear, they get away with this behaviour time and time again, exactly because decent people don't want the hassle of standing up to them. Most people just don't want the hassle and want to move on, so they give the details, or pay the fine, and the cycle continues. Its a travesty. Camera phones should be used at every opportunity, they're more than happy to film us when they want to justify treating us as animals.
coeur_de_lion
just as well i wasnt there.............. :-) i'd have had a record!
reza
disgraceful JP, there's always 1 copper who ruins it for all the decent ones, have to be honest thou if he'd asked me am i coming or does he have to come for me, I'd of gone nowhere!
eltoro
i know exactly where your coming from Fear but i have no criminal record so not sure how it works when it comes to spot fines, one thing i would say is that i would never bow down to the filth because i have history with them for no reason other than i have a convicted armed robber and murderer in my family, i was raised to never back down from bully's and the filth are by far the worst bully's out their.
Astonian Villan
Never agree to anything. Never put your hand up for anything. Never give your details unless getting arrested. If there are more of you than there are Police, then you all film what is going on. They can't stop you. If they try to confiscate one phone then they know everybody else is filming the situation and are likely to have to back down. I have no gripes with the Police, who by and large do a remarkable job and face daily problems that nobody really wants to talk about. However there are a significant number of cucking focks in the force that make the job much harder for the rest. Same as football fans really. Most are brilliant, but a minority are also cucking focks and then we all get tarred with the same brush. Having said that a good tear up with the Police is often a good way to release any pent up frustration. . . . . kidding!!!!!
voiceoftheholte
Agreed coeur thing is though mate, I've done my standing up to things in life, I rarely back down etc but I also have to think about my illness, fact I was knackered and the fact that if I'd refused I can guarantee they'd have arrested me for some jumped up reason. Agree also with what you say voice. One thing that annoyed me a bit and I can't remember how it was worded, but it was something like what is wrong with your eyes, you look out of it... I said I've a brain disease and are you medically qualified... which I thought fair! Just glad they didn't search me to be honest, would hate them to have found the sawn off shotgun! As far as I was concerned, most were doing it the ok way, no reason not to give my name etc as I'd not done anything and even those who had done something terribly wrong and criminal (they sang) weren't exactly a menace to society! lol
The Fear
yup, hear what you are saying Astonian, again though, I'm a zero or force ten kinda fella, I stayed at zero and I'm glad about that!
The Fear
so it was not a dads army moment then fear? ..... when one of the lads shouted "don't tell him your name fear!!". lol
badge73
Made me laugh badge73. I can just picture it.
chocolate teapot
It's easy for me to be brave (in words) about getting a criminal record. I'm retired and never intend working again. Don't intend visiting the States either. For all that I expect I would have done the same as you, Fear.
chocolate teapot
Fear,
you Villians are just that 'Villians!!' LOL!....
Seriously, send this article to http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/index.php
let them get involved - ..anyway, it's part of the reason I always drive to away games, as I've noticed over recent years that the Police have ALL started to get heavy handed ever since they got these powers..
spursex
Good post spursex. Nice to know that not all of your fans are keyboard warriors :o)
voiceoftheholte
LOL badge, I wish, that would have been good! pmsl!!!!!! I did take the mickey out the coppers and they took it in good nature about their hair envy! Aye, know some of the lads at FSF spursex, will tell the lads they can direct a complaint to them for help if they want to.
The Fear
clearly in this crime free world we all live they have nothing else to do and given the impending cuts facing the police force then there are plenty of surplus to prune !
cynicalone
well fear look on the brightside you never had to spend a night in the cells, plus the only food they had was a cheese sandwich!! lol
badge73
LOL.. now that WOULD have been a crime badge73...! Actually my thoughts have hardened over the last 24 hours and I've come to realise I need to re-asses who my mates are, I mean, that singing, it could be very dangerous...!
The Fear
This is ridiculous, I was stuck on the train rammed with WestBrom fans and they was utter Garbage towards me/VillaFans and every police person around. The amount of swears they said plus they was drinking beer in public, police didnt say a thing! The buzz is great doe I couldn't imagine going to a game on the train and not hea singing. Ridiculous!!
Blitz
Pathetic.
mike_field
Disgrace, my feelings towards the police have changed dramatically in the last 2 years due to things I have seen and heard from totally reliable sources Cheers to Spursex for his input
Trekker
crimes against singing, surely they should target the xfactor not Villa boys!? As said, this wasn't even the train we wanted (and HAD PAID) to go on
The Fear
One day the terrorists will stop targeting the public and take aim at the criminal force that terrorise the public daily, and I for one will be a very happy person when that day arrives.
arnold__j
 

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