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When Won't It Be Martin O'Neill's Fault?



I know this will stir the hornets nest but here goes......I just wish people would stop putting the blame solely on Martin O`Neill, he didn't wake up and think 'I'm out of here', the board had something to do with this believe me, he would never just walk out at the time he did, something happened!

We still don't know what, but it was bad enough that he could no longer work with Randy and his gang.

The BOARD bought IRELAND not MON, and I have a feeling that was enough to push him out, how we all laughed when Newcastle brought in Dennis Wise to to deal with transfers over the head of Kevin Keegan, he said no F*****G way, and he left, I believe MON did the same.

Ireland's ego wasn't what MON wanted at Villa and he's been proved right there! The board told us, WE ARE WAITING TO GET THE RIGHT MAN IN! they then p****d about for weeks and then panicked I believe! because ! at the moment we must still be waiting for that to happen, because right now Gerard Houlier does not look like that man.

There has to come a time where we stop putting all the blame on MON and start looking at the setup we now have in place, it's been almost 6 MONTHS since he left, we all know there was no money for MON to buy new players, so the team we have now is the team MON would've had to use!

It looks to me at the moment that unless we win the Champions League then it will be all too easy to keep on blaming MON.

I think right or wrong, now's the time to move on.




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Writer: eltoro  Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday December 27 2010

Time: 3:13PM

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he could have stayed and fought, he could have come out and said it was impossible to work there (if that was the case) and he did set the Milner deal in motion, I'm sure he also wanted Ireland as the deal started when he was first there. Also, being a top manager, he could/should have been able to manage Ireland.

To me, Ireland is to blame for Ireland, not MON or Houllier, what about professional pride?

Injuries... MON / any manager would have struggled with what we have had. Split dressing room, was split before he went, it has not been healed as far as I can see and that is partly our new manager who has been too vocal in the press about some of them.

Some will be cleared out for sure, then he has his own team in the making and we can move on from MON.

I'm beyond the whose fault it was that he left, I think his timing stank and I'll not forgive that, this is MY club, YOUR club, it hurts when we are f***** like that and again, whoevers fault it was, it is US the fans who are paying in more ways than one.

Jan I think is a defining month for MON and maybe also for those who doubt the board, a defining month for them? We HAVE to get a striker and a midfielder in at least. Jan is a crummy month to be trying though. GH has had no luck at all AND has not helped himself in many many ways either. I'm no apologist for him but I hope to heck it works as if not we are on the manager merry go round again.

It is true he hasn't got his own team yet and has no chance to bring in anyone, also that the injruies have been freakish and all would struggle with that. All eyes on January, after that, we start to judge him far more I would think? So at the moment, this is MON's team BUT a manager should be able to manage that team and not talk about them in the press to get their backs up.

Think for me that is quite balanced?!
The Fear
In my opinion, O'neil AND lerner are to blame. O'Neil just basically showed what a tit he is and that he can only work with money, meaning he is a poor manager. He could of stuck out the season and worked with this squad and gotten us a top 6 finish but he threw his toys out the pram and tried to copy brian clough but he aint in his league the little muppet. Lerner has been a fantastic owner up until now and it seems to me asif he just is not interested and his goons faulkner and krulak may speak for him and say he is still interested but he is doing fack all to prove it and i wouldn't care if he got up and sold the club. It seems as if houllier is going to have minimal money to spend and we will be looking at loan moves and when that is happening we will be falling and falling down the table each month, year whatever. He was also the one who appointed Houllier and really i have gave him time but we are 15th, rumours of squad unhappy, not getting results and just annoying me with his tactics and selection so in all honesty there all muppets and we need investment in the squad for better players, a good manager who can give us good football (owen coyle) and get back to being a top 6 team.
P.Avfc
As soon as the overpaid bench warmers that he signed and frittered away Lerners money with. As soon as those who think they are bigger than the club are out and those who want the honour to play for a club like Villa and who can play football without hoofing it are in the team. Give the manager a chance then maybe things will calm down with fans and there will be less of this negativity
nazvfc
You see where things like this fall down is when you get into the realms of Randy showing no sign of wanting to bother with us further given Houllier is a good wage and actually comes with a better career record than our former manager.

Houllier may not work out, and it isn't working out at the moment, but if Randy has decided he couldn't care less now (which I don't believe is the case) then there were far cheaper options out there than Houllier that would at least indicate it.
mike_field
The current problems are nothing to do with Martin O'Neill. Yes, he left just before the season started but the players did not leave with him. The team that he took to 6th place in each of the last three seasons was still there. It's still there now. It's not O'Neill that picks the team and decides on the tactics. It's Gigi. Place the blame where it belongs. Gigi has certainly had some success. He seems to get the best out of Heskey, for example but his tactical decisions baffle me. One up at home against the Blooze. Delph, just back from serious injury, alongside Hogg against Spurs. Six outfield substitutes on the bench against Spurs and only one of them an attacker. Apart from that his diplomatic skills are sadly lacking. Criticising players in public. "I love Liverpool' when we've just been stuffed. He also lives in a delusional world of his own. 'We deserved a draw against Spurs.' No we didn't.

All managers should have a sign on their desks;

'The Buck Stops Here.'

It's time Gigi and his supporters acknowledged that.

chocolate teapot
Blaming O'Neill seems like a cop-out. But what the fans might not quite be able to grasp is that perhaps it was no one's fault and that the project had just run its course, as they all do, and the club had reached a point where the fans expectations could not be met, within the financial restraints. The reset button has been pressed in the hope that expectations can be brought within reach. Blaming O'Neill is the usual mechanism for dealing with the reality-check, and it distracts everyone from the reality that no club has successfully broken the link between turnover and success, without taking on lethal amounts of debt. Lerner has the biggest job of all - increasing the turnover to that of a top-four side. Its not a glass-ceiling, its a class-ceiling, and we have just bumped out heads. Ouch!
Steve Wade
Agree with nazvfc. But would also add that the new rules regarding financial prudence must be born in mind. MON spent a firtune with little to show for it in terms of future squad and financial balance are concerned. GH is cleaning up his mess, though I also agree with Fear that he has made a few obvious errors too. I also wish Randy would sometimes speak to us and tell us what is going on. Interesting as a season ticket holder, two years ago we got a club Christmas card ssigned by MON, Randy and, I think Faulkner. Last years was signed by Randy and Faulkner. This year? Got a Christmas text from the club. Is there a message here somewhere? To answer the queestion, MON will be past blame after the Summer of 2012 window, providing we have recovered from his transfers and over paid salaries by then. Also just remember its possible that if Ireland has a 5 year contract we will be paying some/ all of his wages for the next 4.5 years. More wasted money. Didn't Kevin Mac advise on that purchase?
Gordonsleftboot
.l feel sorry for randy . not only has he got villa heading to pits but also the browns. one would be bad but two. must say somethink about the guy. if l where him l get out of sports he could go broke
one match ban
Randy's fault. His limited understanding of the English game and the premiership should have seen him seeking advice from those that DO know what it's all about. He was taken in by Houllier's C.V. ( which was out of date as soon as he had been away from the prem for 2 years, ((regardless of how many contacts he has in the game, Europe or in fact the universe,))) and his nice guy grandfatherly appearance. Americans are gullible in general and football is not won on paper OR by passing the ball 50 times between the defenders and DefMidfielders before they decide to involve the rest including the attackers. No one knows exactly why MON left but there is definitely some external influence from the board (ie. Ireland coming with no manager in place) and other managers have quit for less or same (Keegan, Curbishley most recently.) It is a credit to those involved that they haven't slagged each other off in puiblic. Buck stops with Randy though because he manages Faulkner and the Manager whoever it may be.
Villan444
totally agree with this article. its a nonsense to blame O'Neill now. We have to ask questions of the board now. Do they really know what they are up to?
simonbigron
Well said Fear! Couldn't agree more :)
Astriel
I would like to offer a few random views, you may infact treat it as an additional rant to the currently long list.... I am a final year season ticket holder in the Holte. I basically have fallen out of love - big time. Not with any small part, but the whole thing. The only anti MON i can say is that i have it on strong word that he tendered his resignation several times during his tenure – a couple of which were for incredibly pathetic disagreements, such as the club making players pay for mid term breaks…. Anyhow, make absolutely no mistake whatsoever, the actions of MON were calculated to hurt us to the n’th degree knowing wholeheartedly we had nowhere to go. For all the good he did in his time with our club, he should never be forgiven for what he did last summer. Most disturbingly, from what I can gather, the stories of MON departure parties in the dressing room were actually true….. That aside, how many of you actually looked forward to watching a MON’s Villa team…..? be honest….there was more entertainment in 90 mins than in an Eastenders omnibus…..you score 5, we’ll score 6……. Now to throw in my disappointment….Houllier has it all wrong! If I knew my football better than he, I would be a manager. I don’t, so im not. However, I can see one simple fact that he can’t. To play possession football you need players comfortable in possession. We officially don’t have that!!! We have players that want to beat their man and move the ball on – cut from a completely different cloth….One cannot become the other – impossible. Im tired of hearing that its MON’s team….It may be 60%, but MON didn’t play the youngsters…..Houllier has, thus its as much Houllier’s as it is MON’s team….. Houllier is here for a paycheck, nothing more, nothing less. And shockingly, fair play to him, if I could get his money from a bunch of mugs that didn’t see me coming, then I would. We have some fundamental issues to resolve at the club, starting from basic basics, and im reluctant to offer anymore of my hard earned cash to see some boys that earn more in a week than I do in a 2-3 years and treat us like we don’t matter….. WE PAY YOUR WAGES YOU SPOILT BRATS!!!! If you don’t want to wear our prestigious, beloved shirt, go play for small heath or some other bunch of clowns. Spurs was the final straw for me, transitional season or not, we were outplayed and outclassed by a club we have been historically far better than in the past 5-10yrs….. Progress, what progress…..
jdunford_holteender
thanks JP for posting this my very 1st post, and thank you all for your views, I enjoyed reading them all, and I think we're all in agreement that we need to start moving forward and get this great club of ours back to the top, thanks again, UTV
eltoro
 

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