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Comparing Aston Villa To Leeds United

Comparing Aston Villa To Leeds United

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A friend of mine, a born and bred Londoner is a Leeds United fan. He remembers their golden era, on a trip to Elland Road he made in December 2010.

To be honest, I read his piece and while he's stoic and full of memories, it's a sad chronicle of anticlimax. We really can be prisoners to all we hold dear, can't we? For Leeds are acclimatizing to life in their new division, having only just got promoted from the third tier.

My friend says Leeds fans chant 'Champions of Europe' before each game to this day - but they never were. They blew it in typical Leeds fashion. So I'm glad a) I don't support Leeds United b) I support my home team and c) mine is a glorious club with a wonderful tradition. We actually did win the European Cup!

In my lifetime, I've seen Aston Villa win football's greatest prizes. Our astonishing rise to glory in winning the league in 1981 followed by Victory in Europe a year later, affords me consolation and inner peace whenever we lose today.

And that we won it all, slap bang in the middle of Liverpool's title and European pomp makes those achievements still greater. The Mighty Reds held both titles directly before and after us. For me, Villa remain the club of miracles.

There are many echoes and parallels with Villa and Leeds; a rise and rise all the way to a European Cup Final where our opponents were also Bayern Munich, and a sudden decline shortly afterwards.

But we beat Bayern in our one and only shot in the 1982 final. Leeds, demoralised and beaten long before the final whistle, lost 3-nil in Paris.

Villa fans also sing 'Champions of Europe' at anyone who needs reminding. Think Arsenal and Chelsea for starters. Now that is fun!

"Dirty" Leeds however, were punished at the final hurdle in 1975 and coupled with disgraceful post-match violence in Paris, they began a downward spiral. When relegated in the early 80′s they took nine seasons to make a return to the top flight.
Villa were also relegated - just five years after being crowned European Champions, but unlike Leeds, bounced back at the first attempt.

Leeds United FC was scarred with racism throughout its period of domination on the field. In Paul Reaney, they had a black player but they didn't even acknowledge he was was black! When history recalls Viv Anderson as England's first black international in the late-seventies (ironically a Nottingham Forest player under Brian Clough who Leeds sacked after 44 days), they forget Reaney played for England a decade earlier. Shameful.

Don Revie's Leeds was seemingly built on fear. But Villa weren`t scared of race, it was the most integrated of all clubs both on the terraces and the field - and our grand old marque found poetic association with the sport`s biggest prize as it ascended in harmony.

As background to our major silverware, Birmingham at the time was churning out reggae and 2-Tone hits with bands like UB40 and The Selector. I`m proud of my city and Villa; founded 1874 (a generation earlier than Leeds), co-founders of the Football League with William McGregor, our chairman as the league`s inventor.

Somehow all that Villa stood for in that golden two years came together like ghosts from the club's glorious past. Five generations deep, they came out out to play in claret and blue with the class of '82.

And I`ll always be a Cloughite too. His "win, but win better" approach was foreign to Revie`s Leeds and his style was totally and absolutely vindicated by two European trophies at Forest. Leeds stared on, potless and bottom of the table as Clough and Taylor swept Europe aside. Still, I admire my mate's stoic approach to Leeds. It's a football fans lot to be brokenhearted - and ultimately, it's the hope that kills you.

But secretly, he must be gutted he picked Leeds United as a child. I hear Spurs are in the Champions League and Arsenal play the Beautiful Game! You're a Londoner mate, go and buy one of their scarves. Leeds stand for nothing good. Then or now.

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Writer:Jonny Gould
Date:Tuesday December 21 2010
Time: 4:50PM


love articles like this, from the heart and from a true Villa man. Thanks Jonny, always a pleasure, never a chore!
The Fear
21/12/2010 16:52:00
the fear you muppet, sucking this ****s clit off all of that is absolute *****e apart from t'bit abart Leeds standing for nowt good WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE we were never given a chance to defend are title you cumbucket so that's WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE
21/12/2010 17:49:00
Appreciate things from an outsider's perspective but IMO you're quite wide of the mark in your description of Leeds, although obviously I would disagree! We sing about being Champions of Europe because we were notoriously cheated out of that final by a corrupt ref. Far from the rantings of a bitter fan considering it happened well before I was born, that day was a farce according to several sources and the European Champions chant remembers that. In regards to racism while it cannot be denied that it had its elements in the 80's, as it did with many other clubs at the time, I think you are forgetting about Albert Johanneson who was one of the first black players to play in the English top flight when he played for Revies side in the 60's. Also to say that Revie's side was built on fear is a poor interpretation of that team. While referring to the side is an easy stereotype that is recycled over and over - still to this day, it was also without question that they played the best football of the time. Players like Giles, Bremner etc. could pass the ball better than anyone in the country at the time but when the media focus on one aspect that wasn't all too different to that of the time, mood sticks. Now we are far from Angels and that reputation could not have come from nowhere. Likewise hooliganism from the minority is shameful but that could be said about most clubs during the 70's and 80's. That doesn't mean we stand for nothing good then or now. Part of this Dirty Leeds mentality of others over the years has definitely created a 'Them and Us' mentality of our own and that is what has driven us especially in the last couple of years. We have a fanbase that is one of the best in the country which seals out every away allocation whatever the team, whatever the division. We have the highest attendances out of any team outside the Premiership and we are playing the most exciting football also. In the future we are going to stand for a team that have built what they have the right way and not bought the way City and Chelsea are doing now (Yes ironic considering our recent history) and considering we are a one city team with such a fanbase and no matter what you personally feel, a history that however long it takes it's basically a certainty. Gutted at being a Leeds fan I'm somewhat doubtful. In fact looking at football over the last 60 years, apart from that European Cup and your one final, when it comes to honours and success we sort of trump you. If you ignore any of our good aspects then of course you are going to prefer to be a Villain but taking it all into account I'm more than happy to follow the Whites. MOT!
Teenage Kicks
21/12/2010 18:01:00
People call Leeds fans arrogant but is it any wonder that we get a bit big headed when articles keep being written by Premiership club fans desperately trying to prove they're 'bigger' or 'better' than us. I'm a Leeds fan and there's no one else I'd rather support. This article smacks a little bit of glory supporting! But really, it's the lows that make the highs even better, however small the highs are. You may call it sad, but I know our promotion back to the Championship gave me one of the happiest days of my life and certainly more than anything your club has given you in the past 14 years. You only need to see the reaction of the Leeds fans at the final whistle on the final day of the season for confirmation of that. And now, sat 2nd in the Championship, I'm certain Leeds fans are much much happier than Villa fans are at the moment. Who knows, we may be in the same division next season, or, dare I say it, Leeds may be a division higher. In all seriousness though, I've never had anything against Villa and I really hope you don't go down this season, the Premiership needs clubs like yours. And our season has a long, long way to go yet...
21/12/2010 18:03:00
grow up you silly little boy. It is called football banter, you not grown up enough to enter into it without playground names. Shame.
The Fear
21/12/2010 18:03:00
sorry, that was aimed at the gimp not you Teenage Kicks, love your post!
The Fear
21/12/2010 18:03:00
Man U fan here, I dislike Leeds as much as anyone else but your story is poor and doesn't really go anywhere. Leeds are a far bigger club than Villa have ever been as much as it pains me to say it. Their history, whilst somewhat colourful, and fanbase is of much more vibrancy than has ever been seen at Villa Park I'm afraid.
21/12/2010 18:04:00
Giptonite is just the ***** that feeds your opinion of Leeds fans
Teenage Kicks
21/12/2010 18:05:00
What a pathetic article. Do your research first Jonny Gould and then write something worthwhile.
21/12/2010 18:08:00
On behalf of the "silent majority" of Leeds fans, apologies for the twaddle posted by Giptonite above. Sadly, like most clubs, we have our share of the more intellectually challenged, shall we say ...... But I do take exception to your piece. As someone who's been going to Leeds since 1967 I lived through much of the Revie era, and have lived through all of the dark times since then. But do I regret it? Not a bit .... as you say, it's a football fan's lot to take the bad with the good - and I know too many die-hard, never-miss-a-game fans (of Huddersfield, Brentford, Burnley among others) who have never seen their clubs win anything during their lifetimes ..... And most of us Leeds fans are just of proud of our club as you are of yours ..... so thanks for your pity, but no thanks. I'm immensely privileged to have seen my club win the title three times, to have been at Wembley when they won the FA Cup in '72, and the League Cup in '68; but following a football club is not about what they've won - unless you're just some kind of a Surrey Reds-type glory hunter ....... which you seem to be advocating in your last paragraph!
21/12/2010 18:09:00
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