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Houllier *Has* To Have Transfers Before Judgement

I have one of those 'so what` feelings today.

According to James Nursey at The Mirror Gerard Houllier had a second bust up in training last week following the Richard Dunne fall out (see: Revolting Players At Villa? ).

This report, which backs up the rumours already circulating, says that the other player who had a go at the Villa boss was 33-year-old Habib Beye.

Aye... and? Really, so what? He wasn`t getting on with the former boss either, maybe he should look at his own form instead of the managers not picking him?! Not good enough, will be shipped out, next....!

Forum thread: Click Here (adult language blah blah blah..)

The report has an insider quoted saying that Houllier had set up an 8 aside and had told them no tackling or moaning!

"But Beye did not believe that this was to apply literally and was soon in dispute with the coaching staff. Habib gives his all in training and in every game. He was his usual competitive self and this was soon a problem stemming from a couple of offside decisions. There were some words exchanged and then Houllier ordered him to leave training. McAllister tried to speak to Beye as he was leaving but he was very upset."

James also says that no one from Villa would comment on the rumour, or that Houllier has also argued with Richard Dunne, Stephen Ireland and John Carew.

I`d be more worried if Houllier was arguing or having bust ups with 'his own` players as opposed to the previous managers squad...? He has to have time to get rid of those who don`t fit his plans and bring in those who do surely?

Brad Friedel said the points v WBA were crucial and added, "The young lads who have come in have done really well but to do it on a consistent basis for 10 or 12 games is a lot to ask. People are going to have to judge Gerard after he has had a couple of transfer windows and also once we have a full complement of players in the squad."

Seems level headed and fair that stance doesn`t it?

Full report: The Mirror

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Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday December 14 2010

Time: 11:43AM

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oh no, what are we to do if Beye isn't available to play?! :( You can't help but wonder at some of these players, diddums ... didn't the nasty Frenchman let you tackle? Ahhhhh. How old are you again and how much do you own?
The Fear
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14/12/2010 11:46:00

Perhaps Beye would be in a better position if he gave "his all" when picked, instead of saving it for 8 aside friendly/training games.....
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14/12/2010 11:53:00

When he has made signings? Four young players already signed, plus Pires. That's 5 already - anyone else see a direction here already?
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14/12/2010 12:03:00

How about sell them all...Who do they think they are, just get on with training and do it on the pitch you overpaid mugs.
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14/12/2010 12:20:00

Who cares about these players?they are the dross that o`neill brought in and we all thought were dodgy signings anyway.
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14/12/2010 12:36:00

Time to get rid of Beye, Ireland, Dunne, Carew and anyone else who has a problem about being professional about his job that the gets paid way too much for from AVFC considering what they are bringing in return! Beye is rubbish and Ireland and Carew don´t seem to care anyways.
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14/12/2010 12:40:00

Dunnr was a roc last season dont know whats happened to him but beye, ireland and carew they look lost when they are playing
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14/12/2010 13:06:00

Carew was a brilliant deal when we got him for Baros, Dunne was a very astute signing and up till this season was one of our best and most consistent players, Ireland wasn't a MON signing but another former city player of the year and EPL player of the year contender, losing out to Ash. So, no, I didn't think at the time they were dodgy signings at all. Beye is rubbish and a different matter. Now they are either past their best or at least not happy so probably time for them to move on.
Elmo Grub
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14/12/2010 13:38:00

Sunday Monday Habib Beye...Tuesday Wednesday Habib Beye...Thursday Friday Habib Beye...on your way, you wont play....
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14/12/2010 14:13:00

Beye needs to go but you know what I didnt think Irelands was going to be that much of a bad player I would have thought he would have had a point to prove to man city just like richard dunne last season fair enough city literally escorted him out of eastlands so why not show at villa what eastlands are missing he got plenty of experience. As for GH his days have got to be numbered Kevin Macdonald was always the man for me and I did think up until the liverpool saga with GH, GH should of been D.O.F but he only would of stuck his nose in with KM sayin "At liverpool we did it like this" we probably would of lost KM aswell. look how well players responded to KM. I guess losing 6-0 to the geordies didnt help just a thought
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14/12/2010 15:15:00

And I always thought that the secret of good management was getting the best out of the staff (players) available to you! Obviously I was wrong. You must only look after those people who suck up to you and don't stand up for themselves. Oh well.
chocolate teapot
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14/12/2010 15:20:00

Habib Beye is better than Carlos Puyol, Rio Ferdinand and John Terry combined
Valiant Villan™
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14/12/2010 16:42:00

It's Carles Puyol, with an 'e' not an 'o'. Presumably because he's a Catalan. And they are all centre halves. Beye is a full back.
chocolate teapot
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14/12/2010 16:55:00

I have said before that i have faith in Gerard Houllier, and he will sort things out. I say get rid of anybody who is not commited 100% to Villa. These players will bring disruption to the dressing room so the quicker they go the better. Some players think they have a god given right to play every week whatever their performance is like, they ought to grow up and except it when they are told they are not good enough. They have had it too easy under MON, same 11 on the team sheet every week, its about time someone came in and gave the team a shake up and HOU has had the guts to do this. These players should have a good hard look at the character of these 'kids' and then have a good look in the mirror - they may learn a thing or two.
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14/12/2010 19:49:00

I don't think GH is committed never mind anyone else he's 63 looking for one more big pay check his cruising for a bruising he gets sacked now and gets the rest of his contract his laughing all the way to the bank as soon as he gets that pay check his buying a liverpool season ticket. He signed a 3 1/2 year contract he is 66 then he wants to be well out of it before then. Wait around mark hughe will be availiable by the summer so will david moyes MON must be laughing his Ass off.
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14/12/2010 21:04:00

Rumours are we going to sign mcgeady and keane and you know what most likely it will happen, so why didn't they let MON sign them truth is come january, no one will want to buy carew, beye, ireland (maybe) dunne so we are going to buy without selling cuz know one buys *****e these days why didnt they just let MON sign them two in the summer.
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14/12/2010 21:07:00

They (the players Houllier is having problems with) weren't 'dodgy' signings lerneravfc. Maybe in your eyes perhaps, but not everyone shares your dislike of everything and anything to do with the previous manager. I suspect that Houllier could do worse than sharpen up his man-management skills, he seems to be finding fault and falling out with too many players for my liking. He can ship out whoever he wants, he's the manager at the club, but he'd better make sure that the replacements he brings in are of a better quality, than those to whom he shows the exit door.
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15/12/2010 05:57:00

I have to agree glensider - if GH is struggling with your average "joe" players and not even super stars, I am a little bit worried about his man-management skills. And GH won't sign Keane. There is a reason that we actually have scouts outside of the premier league now.
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15/12/2010 07:59:00

Yes I agree he GH does need to up his man-engagement skills and the players that leave should only be replaced with better. Otherwise what's the point.
Thomas Holte
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15/12/2010 10:20:00

For me to have even a percentage of faith in GH his january signings got to be spot on, with a 6th place finish to say the least then i might be a bit more lenient with him but at the moment for me his days should be numbered or save himself the embarassment and just resign. Im not looking forward to his transfres in january as he has a tendancy of bringing in 2nd rated french players from lower french leagues not sure if they're better than the ones we got, it will get alot worse before it gets better_ be prepared everything we worked for is disappearing before our eyes at one time we was world beaters now we look like panel beaters
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15/12/2010 13:16:00

Well Carew has not shown any sort of commitment for a long time whether under previous manager or new. Beye had issues with previous manager due to not being picked and has the same issue now, he should maybe just accept he isn't good enough. Ireland was always going to be a risk as he had some great times at city but then their supporters will tell us he also lost interest for the slightest reasons. The only one that is of concern is Dunne really and he never had issues before being dropped, his form has been poor this season which could be due to not having the protection from midfield he was used to when either Petrov or Hokey-Cokey were fit. He was dropped quite rightly because of poor form so should have no complaints.
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15/12/2010 13:36:00

fair call ZA. I think his skill has been shown now that the relience from midfield has been taken away. but that at the same time shows the worth of our centre mids (especially petrov) who was very underrated. now we can see that he was perhaps picking up a slack that wasn't apparent to us as spectators. I do hope petrov keeps captaincy. While i think ash could do an outstanding job I think petrov just has that little bit more fire.
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16/12/2010 05:32:00

@villa_till_i_die_187 - your expectations aren't high enough bro. come on... you can go a little higher surely = )
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16/12/2010 05:34:00


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