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VILLA FANS... Where Are You?!?


The great where are the fans attendance debate has been raised again in our forum.

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randy.stand kicked it off saying: 'The attendances are looking worrying at Villa Park at the moment. 35k for each three games vs West Ham, Everton & Bolton so far. That's with 10 tickets being on offer for the last two home fixtures. I know the MON leaving thing hasn't helped and perhaps with GH attendances will improve but apparently for Wednesdays game against Blackburn, 13k have been sold so far. That is really really poor. Why is it? I know money is tight for a lot of people but so it was last season. I really hope the attendances at Villa Park improve. Attendances were really impressive only a couple of seasons ago. It's something we need to get to again. It's a massive club in the second city of the country. We have a big fan base and should be pulling In more than what we are at the moment.'

So... where are you? What would attract you back? It can't be the price surely? The offers have been amazing recently and yet like yesterday, we've not even topped 35 000.

Is it just the quality of football? If so, fingers crossed the new manager and his crew sort the style of play out to 'entertain more' or is there something more deep rooted?

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1958Villa said: A game of football is supposed to be entertainment for the masses. Well once the team start playing entertaining football, win, lose or draw, the fans will start turning up again. The stuff that has been on offer at Vila Park over the last three seasons especially, apart from the odd game, has had quite a few people talking of suing the club under the trade descriptions act. Entertaining it has not been. Hopefully Mr Houllier will, by the end of the season, have turned things around sufficiently, to attract back those that have had enough of paying good money to watch dire rubbish. In the meantime, a lot of people will continue to get their enjoyment from watching paint dry or grass grow.

Wurzel is far from a happy bunny at the moment added The season is a dead rubber isn't it? No signings, no urgency to get a replacement manager before deadline day. An uninspiring appointment as manager. Selling your best player. Take your pick.

VOTN: I echo the above sentiments, it's about entertainment. Of course, as fans we want a win above all else but when we are coughing up our hard earned (not just to the club, I'm thinking about total expenses which for me to attend are considerable. For what it cost me to attend 3 games over the last 2 seasons I could have bought 3 season tickets) it's important to be entertained in some way otherwise it's tempting to just follow on the TV/radio/internet and look at the results/table.

shaldonvilla doesn't hold back when he says Dreadful boring football is the main reason as ticket prices are still reasonable.

Some twerp called Fear who to be fair we've tried to get rid of for years from this forum added: Despite the previous manager being lauded by many, I found the football SO boring that I only carried on going to the games out of habit, loving the seat I have (not wanting to lose it) the people around me and the fact that I think you should support the club through thick and skin + obviously, I run this site and if I lost interest in going, then I'd have to hand over the site to someone else I think.

I'm hoping that GH brings in better football than the hoofball (my opinion) that we suffered in previous seasons. It might have been effective if 6th is truly as good as we can get but I spent half my time texting and chatting because sorry, it was pathetic to watch.

I think GH will bring in some decent players, there is money, don't give a shite what those who say about us being a selling club, GB wanted out and was in the last year of his contract and had been with us 12 years... Milner (big loss yes) had his head turned by mad money and we at least got mad money for him.

The manager walking meant that money couldn't be spent but it will be.

The recession/Rover etc hasn't helped the area and football is expensive + a lot of pubs show the games now for far less on the illegal (?) satellite channels.

Also some fans only come when the times are good then moan when they can't get Wembley tickets

Personally with the offers etc, I can't see there aren't enough fans to get at least 39 000 - 40 000

Then again, the holte end doesn't do its job anymore singing either. Maybe that is because the football is so boring and they need a spark. Maybe sometimes the players need a spark from us?

Feel sorry for the marketing/ticketing people, they do the offers etc then fans come back and see yet another awful game which turns the floating fans off.

Maybe the new regime will bring more entertaining football and that will 'fix' the problem?

So much is right at Villa now, facilities etc just the 'product' on the pitch has been substandard for way way too long (imho) and it is very difficult to 'sell' that

Oh and as for the mid week cup game. It is cheap enough to go. Will those who don't attend be the ones on the forums and on to the ticket office shouting and moaning because they can't get tickets if we get to Wembley?


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Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday September 20 2010

Time: 9:00AM

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matty, if we dont have a good attendance then that means less money going into the club...I wouldnt blame randy if he said that he isnt gonna spend alot of money until our attendance matches out his acceptance.
P.Avfc
In my experience of supporting the Villa (over 35 years), I have always found `us` to be far more vocal on away days. Maybe its the whole sense of a venture into enemy territory, smaller in numbers and banding together, reacting and acting as `one`. Maybe at home there is just not that sense of adventure, it seems that a lot of folks I speak to are only there (VP) out of a sense of duty, the love is definitely on the decline, coupled with the costs and the attractive opposition(lol), it comes as no surprise the gates are down but I`m sure once `we` get a run goin and start playing some attractive football the stands will be rocking again.
Lionheart2010
Wait till we play Wolves, WBA or Blues and Man Utd of course. Guaranteed sell outs.
young_jonah
I think the points on here are pretty reasonable, it's been really hard going over the last couple of years at home as we were most effective away and that to be fair is where we've been loudest and the best crack has been. At home we've struggled for so long to break teams down as that's the type of football O'Neill played. At the West Ham match it was like the shackles had come off but then we slipped back into our old ways again vs Everton and then Bolton. I think with Houllier onboard we'll start to see a different style come through, slowly but surely and part of that hopefully will be with the introduction of some continental flair, yes the english guys are hard working but we need someone to inspire the crowd. I guess its just reflective to a point of how letharic the whole season has been so far at VP, now we've finally got Houllier in place lets hope people start to believe again! UTV
CannockVilla
No-one has made the point that it was Lerner who was willing to see O'Neill continue, and Lerner who has appointed a manager with a reputation of playing even worse football than we've witnessed over the past couple of seasons. I have no reason to doubt Lerner's inegrity or his commitment to the Villa cause, but all the evidence suggests that he doesn't really understand football. I hope Houllier surprises me and we play some really decent football. To be frank, we already have the attacking players to do this to a certain degree. so there is some cause for optimism. Having said all that, sometimes the fans have to take the initiative, and if the football is uninspiring, maybe that's all the more reason to focus on making Villa Park truly intimidating. We can get our kicks from being the most exciting fans, even if the football is sub-standard - and who knows, maybe a rocking atmosphere would inspire our team to greater heights?
Albarnista
i think rawlie makes a good point. it seems there's a feeling of apathy towards the game across the country, whether your a villa fan or any other outside the top 6. its not helped by the usual suspects dominance at the top nor is it by the continual bad publicity surrounding football. i dont think englands world cup helped either as i imagine a decent run would have improved attendences slightly. the sad fact is that most fans know they havent got a chance of winning anything and apparently achieving something is to finish fourth.
themightyatom
Agree with mighty atom. Apathy in general to the game. It is not competetive any more. Look at the the Albion v Blues attendance. IMO the anti-O'Neill comments in respect of the football played are harsh. If it wasn't for MON I would have packed in going by now. I have been a fan for for 48 years, and a season ticket holder since the 1968 revolution (42 years I reckon). After O'Leary I had finally made my mind up, that was it, I was finished, but MON (along with Lerner) gave the club back it's pride and direction and I was hooked again. I appreciate some of our play was predictable and dull at times (although sometimes very exciting as well), but would we rather have that 'winning type' of football or the Tony Mowbray pretty stuff with no end result? Hopefully, Gerard can combine both and keep everyone happy, but IMO football in general is in decline anyway. Too much money and no loyalty.
krfeskivilla
I think a lot of what is said above is spot on. I think if villa had purchased a decent player as the transfer window opened, a signing to signal some intent, perhaps a good quality goal scorer then perhaps things would have been different. I believe the poor showing of the national team, (in particular their attitude) together with MON walking out and the shirt fiasco, has compounded the lack of interest. The owner is new at this game and so far has not put a foot wrong, however i think he is on a massive learning curve now, with his first managerial appointment and like some of us, is suffering financially from the downturn (although he should be fairing better now) However football is not averse to recessions and downturns and i think punters have had to reign in their finances and choose their expenditure wisely. Unfortunately i have to throw in my ticket to fund my sons venture to settle in a new country, however it does not disguise the fact that i was cheesed off with the players lack of appreciation for all fans on the last day of the last season. Their pathetic gesture of walking to the half way line, hardly bothering to wave, or clap supporters who had spent a fortune following the team, last season stuck in my throat! Take my trip to worcester rugby for their last home game versus Gloucester , where at the final whistle in driving rain and freezing temperatures, the legend that is Chris Latham stayed on the pitch walking around the perimeter in his sweaty shirt (no tracksuit) signing autographs shaking hands and generally showing an interest in the supporters. One hour twenty minutes after the the final whistle, he was still at it, this time signing my daughters shirt..... what a difference! I am missing the games make no mistake, and maybe i will get a half season ticket at xmas, or will I, the lure of a 10 year ticket at the bears for 800 or a season ticket at worcester for 300, where i can see 15 chaps sweating their nuts off giving it all whislt i have a few pints during the game is also appealing. I guess the product is what sells it, you pays your money you takes your choice.............if affordable
jj184
bolton game was my first league game since brian little was in charge, my boys first game and we drove for four hours to get to v.p. chose the game for the 50 family ticket, (and i thought we would win! ha !) in lower doug stand under bolton fans. trying to explain to a four year old why they were noisy and rest of crowd wasnt. the whole day cost me 200 easy. add to that a eight am start and a half nine pm finish thats a big day just to see zat knight practically sexually assault gabby then carew! guess i'm not commited to the cause enough!!!!! the boy loved it though! dont know what he would have done if we won!!!
richlewis
I have said it before, but the only time in my 30 year history of going down the Villa and we sold out at home was if we were challenging for the title or we was playing manure or liver*****e, about 33,000 is the rough average over my life time i believe. When randy took over attendances went up because we all believed that we would be capable of building a team that could challenge the top four but alas no real top signings and if a player is any good we sell them and buy a player a quarter of the price, that's never changed!
chris the villan
I wonder how many will be on here beggins for wembley tickets if we manage to get there, I would love that to happen, i think the fans who go every week no what to do...Just laugh at them basically and the ones who can go and watch them but choose not too will learn too get off their backside and do something about it.
P.Avfc
I agree with Chris the villain here. I think a rough 33,000 has been the range since i've been a fan/going down on an off over the last 20 years. The increase is always down to high profile games and if we're performing well. As for atmosphere, it's been sheite since the seats came in to the holte end and as someone else said, since the away fans were moved.
nottinghamvillain
We should in truth be pulling in 40,000 attendances minimum, more often than not, yet we're struggling to get anywhere near the upper thirties mark, and that with plenty of cut price deals on offer. Admittedly the disaster of a summer will have a lot to do with it, but lack of signings, MON's departure, doesn't explain it away completely.
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