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Why The Anger Villa Fans - This Season Isn't Over!

Booing and moaning? Best season for a decade or more as far as many are concerned isn't it?

First part by voiceoftheholte, second part myself and deanovilla!

I think the debate about players playing out of the position that are known for, is interesting. (See the article comments for the start of this debate: Click Here )

We won the League and European Cup with a right winger at right back (Swain), a centre forward at centre half (Evans), a goal keeper who wouldn't come off his line (Rimmer) a centre half who was originally slated by the fans (Ken McNaught), a journey man centre forward who had no real proof of being a great goalscorer (Peter Withe) and a central midfielder who couldn't hit a barn door at 5 paces (Bremner). But they were a team. Not the best individually, but a team.

And last time I looked football was a team game. I too think that Cuellar and Dunne are the best central partnership. I can not understand having two right backs on the bench and a centre half at right back. I also think it is madness to play Heskey and Carew together instead of pairing Delfouneso with Carew. I do not like the 4 4 2 formation. I would much rather have a 3 man midfield and then give Young or Downing (not both) the license to go where they want.

But if at the start of the season you had told me that Villa were playing Guzan at centre forward and Agbonlahor in goal, but we would reach Wembley at least twice (maybe 3 times) and were in with a great chance of 4th with 9 games to go, then I would have ripped your hand off for that.

So little rant over.

I do not think we would miss Dunne for a game (or several games) and that is why we have a squad. For those who have booed because they think they know best as to what team should be played, should be ashamed.

We have the best defence in the league and fans are complaining because they are not happy because they think the right back is not as good as a player on the bench. Some Villa fans should be thoroughly ashamed of their actions.

That said, it would help if MON communicated to the fans exactly why Cuellar is preferred to the two right backs which cost a combined total of £7million. If he also let fans know why he plays two centre forwards when Heskey's goals per minute is about about 1 quarter of Delfouneso it would help. If these two questions were answered that would hopefully placate the morons who think booing is the way to make the team play better.

With thanks to voiceoftheholte

I think I can hitch a lift on the back of this article and add what Deanovilla said to me earlier about this season. If you had told me we'd have done this at the start I'd have laughed in your face. But look at what we have done so far (I say so far because despite some real anger/frustration at the Wolves game, we've not finished yet. Ok, we might have the argument at the end of the season whether 7th and reaching a final and a semi are good enough. Conversely we might be debating what a great season it was to finish 4th or 5th and to lift the FA Cup. We are so close to the end of the season now, surely we can keep the faith just that bit longer, it isn't as if Martin O'Neill is going to be sacked or leave at this stage (and nor should he). Anyway, as Deanovilla said, so far this season we have:

*Reached our first cup final for 10 years
*Reached our first FA Cup Semi Final for 10 years
*Beaten Man United at Old Trafford for the first time in 20 odd years or more
*Beaten Liverpool at Anfield
*Beaten Chelsea
*Beaten the Blues at the Sty
*Remained in the hunt for 4th spot and the FA Cup

With thanks to Deanovilla


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Date:Tuesday March 23 2010

Time: 2:23PM

Your Comments

I'm enjoying the ride, I get as frustrated and baffled as any but that happens with any manager and their own 'strange' decisions. If we were 15th or below and out of the cups, I'd be thinking it was time to move on, but we aren't, we are actually doing ok and the season isn't over yet.
The Fear
I'm enjoying the ride, I get as frustrated and baffled as any but that happens with any manager and their own 'strange' decisions. If we were 15th or below and out of the cups, I'd be thinking it was time to move on, but we aren't, we are actually doing ok and the season isn't over yet.
The Fear
And how much nicer would all that be if O'Neill showed the fans a little respect? He needs to remember who helps pay for his wages.
young_jonah
And how much nicer would all that be if O'Neill showed the fans a little respect? He needs to remember who helps pay for his wages.
young_jonah
I think the frustration comes from being "nearly men". So often when we need to step up to the plate, we seem to succumb to failure. Not total failure, but abject disappointment. Like on Saturday when we had a chance to turn the screw on our rivals, we crossed the line with little more than a whimper. Luckily for us we'll possibly have more chances to assert ourselves in the race for 4th between now and close of play - but the "nearly men" tag seems a tough one to shake off.
bazzah
I think the frustration comes from being "nearly men". So often when we need to step up to the plate, we seem to succumb to failure. Not total failure, but abject disappointment. Like on Saturday when we had a chance to turn the screw on our rivals, we crossed the line with little more than a whimper. Luckily for us we'll possibly have more chances to assert ourselves in the race for 4th between now and close of play - but the "nearly men" tag seems a tough one to shake off.
bazzah
Yeah got to agree with Bazzah, the team often seem to bottle it when it matters most. I will honestly be surprised to see us move above 7th nevermind finish there because it seems to me that when all the results go our way in the league we lose or snatch a point
young_jonah
Yeah got to agree with Bazzah, the team often seem to bottle it when it matters most. I will honestly be surprised to see us move above 7th nevermind finish there because it seems to me that when all the results go our way in the league we lose or snatch a point
young_jonah
I'm loving this season, the lads and manager have done so well to compete on so many levels this season, and to be heading towards April with plenty still to play for is so refreshing. Look at those achievements above. Now if you still think a few dodgy substitutions are more important then your priorities are totally screwed and you have forgotten why you fell in love with football in the first place.
DeanoVilla
Brilliant, the "best defence in the league". That should get us a few more draws this season then. Perhaps we could improve on the 11 we already have this season and go for a record number of draws in one season?
Class of 82
Class of 82, one thing is for certain my friend, there are plenty more draws to look forward to. As Bazzah rightly says - "nearly men"
young_jonah
Can I also add to the list we are unbeaten this year in the league?? What is wrong with you people?? Note for Fear, have you noticed an increase again in posts due to the negativity? Not a dig at you, but more at the general feeling that seems to emenate from the site!
avnath
Jesus christ Young Jonah all you ever go on about is MONs reaction to the fans, saying he shows no respect. Hes showing no respect to the fans that show him none. Every away game he comes over to the fans to show his appreciation for supporters that appreciate him
pauled177
I'm enjoying the ride all 4 seasons of it, all 140 million spend of it too. So please excuse me for saying again from day one of his appointment I'm sure Villa could have done better. Why is it so wrong to not be totally happy with a decent manager when in 4 seasons the same problems keep arising. Do you Fear think he can achieve and maintain a top 4 standing or are you happy just to enjoy the ride. Even in your short time as a Villa fan you have seen sides do well, then because of unforseen problems seen a near relegation collapse. Do you trust O'neill to get us through to above relegation with the injuries Everton have suffered, I don't, he couldn't cope losing Davies he panic purchased, what's he done since Gabby became injured. Blamed his fans. Imagine his comments if fans produced signs and went on marches, would you be enjoying the ride then.
avfc48
I'm enjoying the ride all 4 seasons of it, all 140 million spend of it too. So please excuse me for saying again from day one of his appointment I'm sure Villa could have done better. Why is it so wrong to not be totally happy with a decent manager when in 4 seasons the same problems keep arising. Do you Fear think he can achieve and maintain a top 4 standing or are you happy just to enjoy the ride. Even in your short time as a Villa fan you have seen sides do well, then because of unforseen problems seen a near relegation collapse. Do you trust O'neill to get us through to above relegation with the injuries Everton have suffered, I don't, he couldn't cope losing Davies he panic purchased, what's he done since Gabby became injured. Blamed his fans. Imagine his comments if fans produced signs and went on marches, would you be enjoying the ride then.
avfc48
avfc48 why would fans produce signs and go on marches? are you going to protest about him playing heskey and not playing l young? Do you realise what you are actually saying here
pauled177
Favourite comment of the season - 'he couldn't cope losing Davies he panic purchased' The panic purchase that has gotten us the best defence in the league, this really is laughable now. We are not Manchetser United, our fans are SHOCKINGLY BAD - proven by attendances of the most succesful season in near enough 20 years let alone 10!!
avnath
pauled177, its his job. He should always act professionally like we do in our jobs. Anyone would think he was kid in the play ground making snidey little comments, but in actual fact he is a man pushing 60, he should rise above it. I was genuinely happy with the result against Wolves (i wanted a win before hand but thought we earnt the point after being behind) then I read his comments and i thought here we go again, he certainly knows how to twist (most of) the fans round his little finger.
young_jonah
pauled177, its his job. He should always act professionally like we do in our jobs. Anyone would think he was kid in the play ground making snidey little comments, but in actual fact he is a man pushing 60, he should rise above it. I was genuinely happy with the result against Wolves (i wanted a win before hand but thought we earnt the point after being behind) then I read his comments and i thought here we go again, he certainly knows how to twist (most of) the fans round his little finger.
young_jonah
I'd prefer a reaction like the one we got off him, at least it shows he cares. He probably has most fans twisted round his finger as they appreciate the job hes done since he took over, and i am one of those fans. Im a realist and i realise that challenging for 4th and cup runs is all we as a club can hope for as the top 3 are far and away above the other teams in the division
pauled177
I'd prefer a reaction like the one we got off him, at least it shows he cares. He probably has most fans twisted round his finger as they appreciate the job hes done since he took over, and i am one of those fans. Im a realist and i realise that challenging for 4th and cup runs is all we as a club can hope for as the top 3 are far and away above the other teams in the division
pauled177
avnath - "most succesful season in near enough 20 years let alone 10!!" - how so? Is losing a final and being 7th in the league considered successful? Jeez some people have low standards.
young_jonah
avnath - "most succesful season in near enough 20 years let alone 10!!" - how so? Is losing a final and being 7th in the league considered successful? Jeez some people have low standards.
young_jonah
young_jonah I'm comparing it to the last twenty - in that time we have lost 1 final won 2 league cups and finished 2nd once. None of these in the last ten years! Like I say its not succesful compared to Man Utd, but we are not Man Utd. Can I also ask about the Everton point, has MON ever finished as low as Moyes did a few years ago?? Did he get the sack? Would they be able to cope as well if they had have got rid? The grass is not always greener and within teh last 20 years no manager has kept us in the top 7 for 3 consecutive years.
avnath
young_jonah I'm comparing it to the last twenty - in that time we have lost 1 final won 2 league cups and finished 2nd once. None of these in the last ten years! Like I say its not succesful compared to Man Utd, but we are not Man Utd. Can I also ask about the Everton point, has MON ever finished as low as Moyes did a few years ago?? Did he get the sack? Would they be able to cope as well if they had have got rid? The grass is not always greener and within teh last 20 years no manager has kept us in the top 7 for 3 consecutive years.
avnath
Jesus, why cant we just show support until the end of the season at least, i for one have enjoyed this season 2 trips to Wembley christ ive waited 10 years for that, lets get behind martin and his team who knows what we could achieve, its not impossible we could lift the fa cup and make 4th. If we dont, least weve had a go which we have done 4 such a long time, we have to realise the big picture, martin is building slowly, the right way for long term success, look at wenger and fergie. IM BEHIND MY TEAM AND WILL ALWAYS SHOW SUPPORT, I MAY NOT AGREE BUT WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!
astonsteve
Jesus, why cant we just show support until the end of the season at least, i for one have enjoyed this season 2 trips to Wembley christ ive waited 10 years for that, lets get behind martin and his team who knows what we could achieve, its not impossible we could lift the fa cup and make 4th. If we dont, least weve had a go which we have done 4 such a long time, we have to realise the big picture, martin is building slowly, the right way for long term success, look at wenger and fergie. IM BEHIND MY TEAM AND WILL ALWAYS SHOW SUPPORT, I MAY NOT AGREE BUT WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!
astonsteve
So in one word to are we succesful compared to the last 20 years I would say YES!
avnath
So in one word to are we succesful compared to the last 20 years I would say YES!
avnath
Everton are a different kettle of fish, how much has Moyes spent in his (at a guess) 6 seasons? If he had finished 16th having spent £140million he would have definately been sacked. And if O'Neill finishes that low (which I doubt he would) then I would expect to see him sacked. I don't think its a successful season, its been better than the last 10 years I will give you that, but I am not sure how anyone can say successful when we haven't won any silverware or even finished higher than last season, we may well do so but O'Neill has bottled it twice before when Everton have been breathing down our necks, can he get it right this time?
young_jonah
Everton are a different kettle of fish, how much has Moyes spent in his (at a guess) 6 seasons? If he had finished 16th having spent £140million he would have definately been sacked. And if O'Neill finishes that low (which I doubt he would) then I would expect to see him sacked. I don't think its a successful season, its been better than the last 10 years I will give you that, but I am not sure how anyone can say successful when we haven't won any silverware or even finished higher than last season, we may well do so but O'Neill has bottled it twice before when Everton have been breathing down our necks, can he get it right this time?
young_jonah
Question for you when you consider the Villa successes over the years do you think of the 57 FA Cup win? The 77 League Cup win? The 81 League title? The 82 European Cup? The 94&96 League Cup wins? Or do you think of the runners up spot in 2000? The 2nd place finish in 1992? Success is about silverware, in 20 years will we consider 3 consectutive 6th place finishes as success? I doubt it.
young_jonah
How has o'neill bottled it? surely its the players that bottle it out on the pitch. It was poor performances that cost us last season. Have you also thought that fans negativity may effect results? im sure booing at half time of games has a negative impact on our players and a positive one on the oppositions
pauled177
Runners up spot in 2000 (the fa cup obviously) :-s
young_jonah
Young_jonah firstly MON doesn't need to show us respect he just needs to do it on the pitch (which he has best defence in league and only 4 defeats all season cup final etc etc), secondly MON didnt try to lose the final and is not trying to be 7th in the league, but there are many teams below us who would love to be us not just our points tally, our defence, our outstanding young english talent, our financial stability and our well run club. you cant just buy success (look at Citeh) it takes time and MON is doing it the right way.
claretandbluearmy
pauled177, people talk about the booing being negative, but they always seem to come out and perform in the second half, Like Wolves at the weekend - 2-1 down booed, drew 2-2. I've nevered booed but I think the fans have the right to do so.
young_jonah
you see avfc48, you still can't play it straight. 'even in your short time as a villa fan' ... compared to you ya old git (!) maybe but I'm 41 and first went when 7. WHAT I AM SAYING is no board could sack a manager like some want at this stage and yes would could be doing better, but despite the frustrations, there are good things to focus on but some just want to go negative all the time and I find it crippling. No manager is bigger than Villa, if he stays or goes I'm not that bothered, but the anger this week after a draw ( A DRAW ) has been mad. I'm quite enjoying myself, shame more aren't, but any time anyone tries to say anything positive it is all doom and for the life of me, I can't understand that. There is a balance, this is the best period we've had ownership wise, I think MON sometimes has let them down and I don't like his comments about fans as he should make it clear (at the very least he is talking about just SOME fans) but then not everyone loved Ron Saunders and I swear some fans would hate any manager no matter what they did. John Gregory got us to 1st and the FA Cup final and those days the split was just the same.

ENd of the day, we can all talk about who we would play, only one mans opinion matters and he'll either bring us success or leave/be sacked.

We aren't alone in these debates mind, there was one on Vital Spurs recently whether Appy Arry should go and the moans about Wenger last season were pretty tough at times as well. Sorry though avfc48 after all the years of me doing the awful marches and signs if I'm just happy to be back supporting the team I love. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE MANAGER, THE BOARD OR THE TEA LADY. IT IS ASTON VILLA I SUPPORT AND THAT IS THAT.
The Fear
Altogether now..... Booooooooooooooooooooooo ;-)
bazzah
YJ... is the season over? Once it is we can debate if it was good enough but right now the team need our support and some have already thrown in the towel and won't go. Their choice but that isn't my idea of being a Villa fan. The chips aren't even down and some have had enough.
The Fear
The Fear, I was behind the team, reasonably happy with the point v Wolves. But the latest dig from O'Neill has sent out the wrong signal to me. The season is over as far as I am concerned, the guy is a complete ********* and while HE is in charge I am not gonna bother showing any support, just for him to throw it back in my face.
young_jonah
So what youre saying then YJ is that the booing galvanises the players? rediculous, they come out fighting when they are losing because that is what this team does, the graft and fight for every point, hence the number of defeats this season, the fans showing the lack of appreciation does not encourage them one bit, just makes them think what idots the booing fans are
pauled177
YJ you miss the point, MON is criticising the fans that are booing and showing no support, surely you realise he isnt criticisng every fan
pauled177
young_jonah that last statement has led to me losing all respect for anything you ever say. Support is about the bad times as well as the good - in my opinion these are good!! Yet you say you will no longer go and get behind the 11 players that win the games and lose the games - Well I for one hope you never go to VP EVER again, we don't need people like you and that is exactly what MON was saying.
avnath
I will not debate about booing, as that was O'Neill's plan to detract us from the result. I am not going to play his game, some have been hoodwinked, not me. :-)
young_jonah
young_jonah that last statement has led to me losing all respect for anything you ever say. Support is about the bad times as well as the good - in my opinion these are good!! Yet you say you will no longer go and get behind the 11 players that win the games and lose the games - Well I for one hope you never go to VP EVER again, we don't need people like you and that is exactly what MON was saying.
avnath
I will not debate about booing, as that was O'Neill's plan to detract us from the result. I am not going to play his game, some have been hoodwinked, not me. :-)
young_jonah
pauled177 - O'Neill should have made that clear. avnath - I will be back when he goes, be the times good (as they are currently) or bad. Just not going to support the team if the manager is gonna have little digs at us.
young_jonah
pauled177 - O'Neill should have made that clear. avnath - I will be back when he goes, be the times good (as they are currently) or bad. Just not going to support the team if the manager is gonna have little digs at us.
young_jonah
FEAR, this a request from a VILLA FAN: Can we please get young_jonah removed from the site as he has clearly proven himself not to be a supporter of Aston Villa Football Club. I believe this site was set up BY SUPPORTERS FOR SUPPORTERS, therefore by that criteria I don't feel he is welcome on this site.....
avnath
Spurs for fourth! but if we don't make it I'd prefer it to be Villa over City and Liverpool.
Spurs_Or_Death
FEAR, this a request from a VILLA FAN: Can we please get young_jonah removed from the site as he has clearly proven himself not to be a supporter of Aston Villa Football Club. I believe this site was set up BY SUPPORTERS FOR SUPPORTERS, therefore by that criteria I don't feel he is welcome on this site.....
avnath
Spurs for fourth! but if we don't make it I'd prefer it to be Villa over City and Liverpool.
Spurs_Or_Death
YJ he made it clear, he stated it was the fickle fans that come when times are good that he was aiming it at, what do you want him to do single your name out in the programme. "sorry young jonah i didnt mean you please come back"
pauled177
YJ he made it clear, he stated it was the fickle fans that come when times are good that he was aiming it at, what do you want him to do single your name out in the programme. "sorry young jonah i didnt mean you please come back"
pauled177
The season aint over, we can still get fourth, the manager makes mistakes which manager doesnt so get over it. We have fikkle fans who expect instant succes when oneil is trying to build a good strong team to challenge for top four and if we get it champions league because to be honest we would have no chance in champions league now. We are still in a shot at getting fourth as far as i know Young-judas or whatever your name is. VILLA FOR LIFE!
p.villa
The season aint over, we can still get fourth, the manager makes mistakes which manager doesnt so get over it. We have fikkle fans who expect instant succes when oneil is trying to build a good strong team to challenge for top four and if we get it champions league because to be honest we would have no chance in champions league now. We are still in a shot at getting fourth as far as i know Young-judas or whatever your name is. VILLA FOR LIFE!
p.villa
Haha young-jonah looks like you wont be supporting villa for a while then because o'neil aint going nowhere haha. Your a fikkle fan and only want to know when your team is doing well and when they arnt u turn on whoever you can. Fikkle!
p.villa
I think MON has a point about who the fans are that complain, young kids, johnny come latelys, not those that have been going down Villa park season in season out. The real hardcore fans support Martin and the team and LOVE the season we're having, which you see at every away game when the armchair/occasional visitors are at home. I know plenty of long term villa fans who have been throug some ***** times at Villa park who are delighted with where we are. Yes we may muse some of the selections, but at the end of the day the proof is in the pudding and we're doing pretty bloody well. Young Jonah, you say we have low expectations, I think you have unreal expectations. We are not Liverpool or Man United, we need to be realistic. Do you realise in the last 100 years we have only won 1 league title, 1 FA Cup. We had the hey day of the early 80s but thats 30 years ago. I don't like to belittle us as I love Villa more than anything else in my life, but please, don't push out one of the best things to come to our club in recent years in Martin O'Neill.
Longman
ahem, no avnath. He's been a supporter most of his life, his dad is life long, good lads both, he just has different ideas on current things and that is fine, lets not get personal chaps, no need. We might all disagree about things but we all love our club, albeit in different ways. Lets calm down a little, I thought this article was a positive one but seems I can't get away with it! lol

Always been like this, some of the younger readers might be surprised to hear not everyone loved Ron Saunders! You don't have a like a manager to love your team.

I do think the key though, is the season isn't over yet. If it was then I think arguments from all sides as to what is succes and what isn't would be much fairer

Also, if we had fallen from grace I could understand this more (if the Man Utd fans were having a season like this, after all they have won). Despite our great history, lets face it, we've won nothing since 94/96 League Cups. Not won the FA Cup since 57. You know the date of the league and European Cup. Maybe part of the anger is seeing Man City come along with the sort of funds Chelsea threw about a few years back so as to form another potential block to us getting back. I think I'm trying to alter my mind set and not over worry about the league and 4th quite so much. The Cup runs I've enjoyed and the promise of more to come, even if we do lose to one of the most expensively assembled teams in the world.

When MON goes, I don't want any what if's left. Maybe a striker or two this summer will come on? That could change the whole complexion of the team, relax the pressure on defence etc and give Ash, Downing, Milner something to aim their balls for. Ok, you could argue that should have been done last summer but we don't know the ins and outs fully of who we tried to get or didn't try to get.
The Fear
interesting spurs_or_death, got that as a poll for next week. Might suggest to the other team sites to do the same poll and we can all compare?! Oh what fun we all have! lol
The Fear
interesting spurs_or_death, got that as a poll for next week. Might suggest to the other team sites to do the same poll and we can all compare?! Oh what fun we all have! lol
The Fear
what he was saying p.villa is he won't be going down, that is his right, not that he isn't wanting the best by the way, he is the sort who has strong opinions but in the years I've known him, I know he would also love to be proved wrong in his opinion on MON etc.

Folks, remember this is a footie site, just a bit of fun, I love the site, taken me and MF and others years to build but we don't take it too seriously, if you follow that you'll not go far wrong!
The Fear
sorry Fear a little over the top, but my point is just you can't love villa if you will no longer go when we are 7th (could be higher by tomorrow!) been to a cup final and in the semi of another!!!
avnath
sorry Fear a little over the top, but my point is just you can't love villa if you will no longer go when we are 7th (could be higher by tomorrow!) been to a cup final and in the semi of another!!!
avnath
what he was saying p.villa is he won't be going down, that is his right, not that he isn't wanting the best by the way, he is the sort who has strong opinions but in the years I've known him, I know he would also love to be proved wrong in his opinion on MON etc.

Folks, remember this is a footie site, just a bit of fun, I love the site, taken me and MF and others years to build but we don't take it too seriously, if you follow that you'll not go far wrong!
The Fear
And you say hoodwinked. Who has been hoodwinked. Every player he's has ever managed, every other manager including Fergie and Mourinho who both are massive fans, every ex-pro who comments on him, every pundit. Look within the game of football and MON is extremely highly regarded by people who have played, managed and been exposed to the game at the highest level, not some jumped up little fair weather fan who thinks he knows more than people who have actually worked with, met, played for/with or seen operating close up. You are a clown and I hope you never, ever, visit Villa Park again. We don't need you and your negative bile.
Longman
And you say hoodwinked. Who has been hoodwinked. Every player he's has ever managed, every other manager including Fergie and Mourinho who both are massive fans, every ex-pro who comments on him, every pundit. Look within the game of football and MON is extremely highly regarded by people who have played, managed and been exposed to the game at the highest level, not some jumped up little fair weather fan who thinks he knows more than people who have actually worked with, met, played for/with or seen operating close up. You are a clown and I hope you never, ever, visit Villa Park again. We don't need you and your negative bile.
Longman
Surely fear the term supporter means you get behind the club through thick AND thin, thats a supporter.Not someone who refuses to go as he doesnt like the manager. I look at the clubs in the lower leagues, fans who have nothing to excite them that still turn up to support their team, yet we have quality footballers challenging for honours which doesnt meet with the approval of our so called "supporters". Has anyone ever thought why we play so well away from home, where we have 3k+ of positive passionate fans every week. The manager and players always comment and applaud our away support, if only villa park held 3k people
pauled177
Surely fear the term supporter means you get behind the club through thick AND thin, thats a supporter.Not someone who refuses to go as he doesnt like the manager. I look at the clubs in the lower leagues, fans who have nothing to excite them that still turn up to support their team, yet we have quality footballers challenging for honours which doesnt meet with the approval of our so called "supporters". Has anyone ever thought why we play so well away from home, where we have 3k+ of positive passionate fans every week. The manager and players always comment and applaud our away support, if only villa park held 3k people
pauled177
Thats it then YJ we may as all pack up and not bother then.Lets all give up .If the players showed the same attitude you would be the first to have a go i detect the smell of hypocrisy.And on the subject of booing why ? What does it achieve. Martin O'Neill spends all week boosting the players confidence etc and gets most of his work undone by the home supporters !! No wonder he is unhappy with the booing. I just hope he realises its a mindless minority.
sirdennis
Thats it then YJ we may as all pack up and not bother then.Lets all give up .If the players showed the same attitude you would be the first to have a go i detect the smell of hypocrisy.And on the subject of booing why ? What does it achieve. Martin O'Neill spends all week boosting the players confidence etc and gets most of his work undone by the home supporters !! No wonder he is unhappy with the booing. I just hope he realises its a mindless minority.
sirdennis
I agree pauled177 and fear i have my opinion too and i have been a life long supporter like you say young-jonah has but there is no excuse for that king of negativity towards a manager or the players and by saying he wont go to villa park again because of MON is damn right pathetic. We are suppose to be a club in progress and working towards silverware and champions league football, with the support of some fans we have its making it more difficult. I also want to point out that i think MON shouldnt have brought Delfouneso or luke young on against wolves as the fans were making it clear they want them on and oneil needs to make it clear that he is the manager and he will make the decision and not give in to fan pressure. Top managers like mourinho and ferguson would agree with that.
p.villa
Dear oh dear 48. You think that Villa should have employed somebody better than M'ON nearly 4 years ago. May I just remind everybody that you have consistently been against M'ON because you wanted . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . wait for it . . . . . . .. . . . . . . for those that can't remember . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . avfc48 was not happy with M'ON's appointment because he wanted . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . .. . . . . . . . Klinsmann. Oh how we all laugh at the colossal difference and the massive success that Klinsman has bought to every club he has managed. Infact he has been so successful over the last 4 years he is the top of the list for every new managerial appointment that is being made. There is even talk of him replacing Ferguson . . . . . . at Preston. Your posts are generally rubbish, but you have been reasonably accurate in recent weeks. However you must have been taking the tablets for this last little episode. pmsl.
voiceoftheholte
Dear oh dear 48. You think that Villa should have employed somebody better than M'ON nearly 4 years ago. May I just remind everybody that you have consistently been against M'ON because you wanted . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . wait for it . . . . . . .. . . . . . . for those that can't remember . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . avfc48 was not happy with M'ON's appointment because he wanted . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . .. . . . . . . . Klinsmann. Oh how we all laugh at the colossal difference and the massive success that Klinsman has bought to every club he has managed. Infact he has been so successful over the last 4 years he is the top of the list for every new managerial appointment that is being made. There is even talk of him replacing Ferguson . . . . . . at Preston. Your posts are generally rubbish, but you have been reasonably accurate in recent weeks. However you must have been taking the tablets for this last little episode. pmsl.
voiceoftheholte
Never in all my time supporting Villa have I been so ashamed of some of my fellow fans. If you cant be happy when we're doing well what hope is there? If you are able to just switch on and switch off support for a team then I really don't know what that says... I dont want to get into the 'proper fan' debate but surely no real fan can just decide they are no longer going to support the team because of 1 man? As for MON's comments, he was probably asked about the booing by a journo and gave an honest answer... I'd have been *****ed off too having witnessed my team play some delightful stuff early on, and then fight back for a point only to get booed. Like I said, I'm shocked and ashamed at some peoples reactions...
DeanoVilla
Never in all my time supporting Villa have I been so ashamed of some of my fellow fans. If you cant be happy when we're doing well what hope is there? If you are able to just switch on and switch off support for a team then I really don't know what that says... I dont want to get into the 'proper fan' debate but surely no real fan can just decide they are no longer going to support the team because of 1 man? As for MON's comments, he was probably asked about the booing by a journo and gave an honest answer... I'd have been *****ed off too having witnessed my team play some delightful stuff early on, and then fight back for a point only to get booed. Like I said, I'm shocked and ashamed at some peoples reactions...
DeanoVilla
The biggest moan i have is Martin has the players to turn some of our draws to wins and some of our boring second half submissions into more exciting displays but wont try to change any of his boring plans . He has had all season with this squad but still hasn't worked out what to do when were under the cosh . Plus the obvious two positional problems that i dont have to mention because everybody knows what they are except for Martin and two Villa Fans . I dont want Martin to leave i just want him to wake up and start using his squad properly , I think maybe a few Villa fans should wake up as well .. Yes O'leary was a tosser and i dont want to go back to those days but that doesn't make everything Martin does ok immune from criticism . If we get beat in the semi and finish below 4th i will think this season is a failure . Not for everybody because Going to a Cup Final is special but i cant travel 16,000 kms for a game even though i would love to . Mon gets paid very well to do his job and if he gets sacked he will get a very nice payout and move on but we will have to spend another 4 or 5 years while another manager rebuilds the team and god help any body that criticizes them . I dont have that much time left . Sorry if i am rambling on but i think the criticism of the Villa fans who want to voice there opinion is much worse than the stick Mon is getting .
Doug4ever
You will see below some posts from regular users made at the start of the season. They are copied and pasted word for word. None of them predicted that we would be doing as well as we are. We are doing better than these people predicted and yet still they moan. I have only one this to show everybody that no matter what the Villa do, even exceeding expectations, that some people are never happy and that they are the ones we should all be ashamed of. It is easy to see which supporters let this club down. Young Jonah and Albarnista being the biggest culpits of giving all Villa fans a bad name. 8th is realistic. We haven't signed any decent players, simple. So we will definitely slide for sure. Unless MON can sign 4-5 great players, but he's had all summer to do so...so any we get in now will be panic buys, plan Fs and Gs sadly. olofthegreat As it stands now, with Cuellar and Davies the only senior centre backs, we are gonna struggle. Davies has a dodgy shoulder that could pop out at any time. So as it stands with the current squad, somewhere between 8th and 12th. A couple of centrebacks and a striker then 6th/7th is possible young_jonah Having seen how the kids can step up when needed I'm not as worried as I was so I'm now expecting top half......just. villan of the north Gutted... Seriously gutted... I had such hope for this transfer market for us to solidify our 6th position and push for a top 4 place. Now I hear the same sort of policies as when Doug Ellis was owner (balance the book, sell before we can buy)... Gutted. Astriel O'Neill has apparently metamorphosed into marmite. Villa fans seem to be truly divided on the man. I am unashamedly in the camp that has come to believe that the man is a blundering buffoon, but as I always say, my personal opinion is irrelevant. I believe that Lerner is going to stick with O'Neill, as he believes that he's the right man for the job, and I don't think he'd be swayed by a fans revolt - not that such a thing looks likely given the blind faith many seem to have in O'Neill. It may well be that our best hope is that O'Neill resigns, but who can see him doing that? Those who believe that O'Neill simply needs time will get their wish, and we'll all see what happens. Personally, I can't take my eyes off it. This truly is car-crash entertainment! Albarnista
voiceoftheholte
You will see below some posts from regular users made at the start of the season. They are copied and pasted word for word. None of them predicted that we would be doing as well as we are. We are doing better than these people predicted and yet still they moan. I have only one this to show everybody that no matter what the Villa do, even exceeding expectations, that some people are never happy and that they are the ones we should all be ashamed of. It is easy to see which supporters let this club down. Young Jonah and Albarnista being the biggest culpits of giving all Villa fans a bad name. 8th is realistic. We haven't signed any decent players, simple. So we will definitely slide for sure. Unless MON can sign 4-5 great players, but he's had all summer to do so...so any we get in now will be panic buys, plan Fs and Gs sadly. olofthegreat As it stands now, with Cuellar and Davies the only senior centre backs, we are gonna struggle. Davies has a dodgy shoulder that could pop out at any time. So as it stands with the current squad, somewhere between 8th and 12th. A couple of centrebacks and a striker then 6th/7th is possible young_jonah Having seen how the kids can step up when needed I'm not as worried as I was so I'm now expecting top half......just. villan of the north Gutted... Seriously gutted... I had such hope for this transfer market for us to solidify our 6th position and push for a top 4 place. Now I hear the same sort of policies as when Doug Ellis was owner (balance the book, sell before we can buy)... Gutted. Astriel O'Neill has apparently metamorphosed into marmite. Villa fans seem to be truly divided on the man. I am unashamedly in the camp that has come to believe that the man is a blundering buffoon, but as I always say, my personal opinion is irrelevant. I believe that Lerner is going to stick with O'Neill, as he believes that he's the right man for the job, and I don't think he'd be swayed by a fans revolt - not that such a thing looks likely given the blind faith many seem to have in O'Neill. It may well be that our best hope is that O'Neill resigns, but who can see him doing that? Those who believe that O'Neill simply needs time will get their wish, and we'll all see what happens. Personally, I can't take my eyes off it. This truly is car-crash entertainment! Albarnista
voiceoftheholte
for the opti's especially, surprised this hasn't had more comment, thought it a good talking point myself! A brief journey into the site archives to find the Villa Forward document, great to see how much has been done! Article: Archives: Villa Forward Document
The Fear
for the opti's especially, surprised this hasn't had more comment, thought it a good talking point myself! A brief journey into the site archives to find the Villa Forward document, great to see how much has been done! Article: Archives: Villa Forward Document
The Fear
Like it or not some of Martins bizarre choices are annoying genuine Villa Fans and that "could" be one reason we are not getting full houses .
Doug4ever
Like it or not some of Martins bizarre choices are annoying genuine Villa Fans and that "could" be one reason we are not getting full houses .
Doug4ever
Albarnista, Wembley twice and battling for 4th. True car crash entertainment.
voiceoftheholte
Albarnista, Wembley twice and battling for 4th. True car crash entertainment.
voiceoftheholte
young jonah we got the two centre backs you wanted that would have helped us challenge for top 7. We may get 4th, but we have had one final with another semi final to come. We are exceeding your expectations and still you moan. You are a blight on our support.
voiceoftheholte
young jonah we got the two centre backs you wanted that would have helped us challenge for top 7. We may get 4th, but we have had one final with another semi final to come. We are exceeding your expectations and still you moan. You are a blight on our support.
voiceoftheholte
DOug4ever, you keep talking about this boring football we play all season, yet how when you say you live 16000kms away can you have possibly seen all the football we have played. we have periods when teams make it tough for us and we may not play great stuff but onthe whole, i think the way we play is some of the best football ive seen at villa for a long time. VOTH well done for naming and shaming the negative brigade, just goes to show that with a section of our so called "support" nothing will ever be good enough
pauled177
DOug4ever, you keep talking about this boring football we play all season, yet how when you say you live 16000kms away can you have possibly seen all the football we have played. we have periods when teams make it tough for us and we may not play great stuff but onthe whole, i think the way we play is some of the best football ive seen at villa for a long time. VOTH well done for naming and shaming the negative brigade, just goes to show that with a section of our so called "support" nothing will ever be good enough
pauled177
And yet Holtey plenty are equally frustrated as those you have a go at, and most of the frustration shown if rectified would see us do even better so if the moaners are a blight on the club, by that logic aren't those who aren't moaning holding us back?
mike_field
And yet Holtey plenty are equally frustrated as those you have a go at, and most of the frustration shown if rectified would see us do even better so if the moaners are a blight on the club, by that logic aren't those who aren't moaning holding us back?
mike_field
p.villa - i am fickle? Check the word in the dictionary it means to constantly change your opinion, I haven't liked O'Neill for over a year. Also you say I am only happy when we are doing well? And you are making out we are in the race for 4th? So I don't get your point dude, are we doing well or not? Am I only happy we are doing well or not? Let me tell you when I am happy, when I O'Neill shows us (me, you and every other fan some respect), thats when, couldn't care less if we are 6th or 16th, i have always supported this club and to be told by him that I expect semis, finals and battling for 4th every year, he doesn't know me mate, he try doing an honest days work before he slags us lot off, running a football club for £3mil a year and a few fans boo him, awww bless, hard life.
young_jonah
p.villa - i am fickle? Check the word in the dictionary it means to constantly change your opinion, I haven't liked O'Neill for over a year. Also you say I am only happy when we are doing well? And you are making out we are in the race for 4th? So I don't get your point dude, are we doing well or not? Am I only happy we are doing well or not? Let me tell you when I am happy, when I O'Neill shows us (me, you and every other fan some respect), thats when, couldn't care less if we are 6th or 16th, i have always supported this club and to be told by him that I expect semis, finals and battling for 4th every year, he doesn't know me mate, he try doing an honest days work before he slags us lot off, running a football club for £3mil a year and a few fans boo him, awww bless, hard life.
young_jonah
doug4ever this is becoming laughable. To say that 'genuine fans' not attending could be due to M'ON's 'bizarre decisions' is one of the craziest posts I have ever read. Genuine fans will come to the Villa to watch Mr Blobby if he was named in the team. Genuine fans last forever and do make their decisions based on wether they agree with the managers team selection. Part time fans, moaners and excuse makers make their decisions on silly things like this. Oh my God the world is full of crazies. Stop the planet I want to get off.
voiceoftheholte
do you not think that if MON thought it was best to play luke young and to not play heskey that he would do it. Who are you to say that doing this would instantly make us win games, i know that what we are currently doing is not lsoing us games
pauled177
I have only missed 2 games this year . If there not on TV (which they usually are) i watch live streaming . if i cant get that i try to download the game next day win or lose . I even saw most of our pre season games . I dont think we play boring football all the time in fact there have been times when they play some lovely stuff but i've seen us play some great football then 10 mins later were getting swamped . Even if there is an hour to go Mon wont make a change until at least the 75th minute then he will bring on Heskey for Carew or Carew for Heskey or Sidwell .
Doug4ever
I have only missed 2 games this year . If there not on TV (which they usually are) i watch live streaming . if i cant get that i try to download the game next day win or lose . I even saw most of our pre season games . I dont think we play boring football all the time in fact there have been times when they play some lovely stuff but i've seen us play some great football then 10 mins later were getting swamped . Even if there is an hour to go Mon wont make a change until at least the 75th minute then he will bring on Heskey for Carew or Carew for Heskey or Sidwell .
Doug4ever
YJ you are doing it again, he didnt slag every supporter of the club off, you need to stop having this blinkered view and being so sensitive about it, you sound liek you have only child syndrome
pauled177
YJ you are doing it again, he didnt slag every supporter of the club off, you need to stop having this blinkered view and being so sensitive about it, you sound liek you have only child syndrome
pauled177
Doug4ever, youre right, he sometimes is reluctant to make changes i agree, but isnt that one of the main reasons why we have hardly lost a game, maybe the changes you talk of could have cost us points rather than gaining them like you think. What other changes would you like to see him make?
pauled177
Doug4ever, youre right, he sometimes is reluctant to make changes i agree, but isnt that one of the main reasons why we have hardly lost a game, maybe the changes you talk of could have cost us points rather than gaining them like you think. What other changes would you like to see him make?
pauled177
mike_field you are far to clever for me fella. I think what you are saying is if we cheer opposition goals and boo the Villa ones then we will do better. I think I am going to cry!!!
voiceoftheholte
mike_field you are far to clever for me fella. I think what you are saying is if we cheer opposition goals and boo the Villa ones then we will do better. I think I am going to cry!!!
voiceoftheholte
Of course I will still support Villa, I am just angry at the moment at O'Neill once again using the fans to take the flack for the dropped points so no-one points the finger at me, and it has worked hasn't it? As it seems I am the only one who can see through his fascade, yes I support the club (always will), the through thick and thin stuff is nonsense as this is supposedly the good times, think about it before you roll that cliche out. I will not be going to Villa Park under O'Neill again, he would only throw my support back in my face like he did all of yours at the weekend (not that any of you have noticed). Enjoy the good times chaps, hopefully the little money I send the club's way will not cost us the big name centre forward we all crave. When O'Neill leaves, I shall return whether its a thick or thin period!!
young_jonah
Of course I will still support Villa, I am just angry at the moment at O'Neill once again using the fans to take the flack for the dropped points so no-one points the finger at me, and it has worked hasn't it? As it seems I am the only one who can see through his fascade, yes I support the club (always will), the through thick and thin stuff is nonsense as this is supposedly the good times, think about it before you roll that cliche out. I will not be going to Villa Park under O'Neill again, he would only throw my support back in my face like he did all of yours at the weekend (not that any of you have noticed). Enjoy the good times chaps, hopefully the little money I send the club's way will not cost us the big name centre forward we all crave. When O'Neill leaves, I shall return whether its a thick or thin period!!
young_jonah
voiceoftheholte There we go .. not allowed to say anything about Mon but i'm crazy and laughable . I dont think genuine fans would stop going but it """COULD"""" stop our fanbase from growing arse hole
Doug4ever
Fairplay to the chaps for attempting to pull us all the right direction through this article, doesn't seem to have worked, but well done for trying.
young_jonah
YJ we have no devine right to beat Wolves, you are saying that we threw away 2 points that we had a devine right to get.Why should he come out after a draw and apoloise for dropping points. To be honest i dont think anyone will be upset at you not going to villa park any time soon, haha and he didnt throw support in anyones face, he threw negativity back in peoples faces, how many times. If you travelled away from villa park you would see the high regard with which he holds our supporters, always makes an effort to come to the away end and thank the fans.did you not read his article after the reading game, again praising the support.
pauled177
Fairplay to the chaps for attempting to pull us all the right direction through this article, doesn't seem to have worked, but well done for trying.
young_jonah
Young-Jonah i have no time for you scummy fake villa fan. I stand by my point we are doing well but obviously not good enough for you and yes you only support villa when they are doing welll for your liking so basically we have to win every game of the season u fool. MON shows villa and the fans the full amount of respect we deserve and its people like you who give him none back for what he has done for this club. O'neil only aimed that comment at the few fans like yourself whos expectations are too high, and yes he is frustating at times when he plays players in incorrect positions but there is no manager who can do a better job, you are deluded. sort your life out!. ps. dont call me mate.
p.villa
Young-Jonah i have no time for you scummy fake villa fan. I stand by my point we are doing well but obviously not good enough for you and yes you only support villa when they are doing welll for your liking so basically we have to win every game of the season u fool. MON shows villa and the fans the full amount of respect we deserve and its people like you who give him none back for what he has done for this club. O'neil only aimed that comment at the few fans like yourself whos expectations are too high, and yes he is frustating at times when he plays players in incorrect positions but there is no manager who can do a better job, you are deluded. sort your life out!. ps. dont call me mate.
p.villa
YJ i dont think anyone is trying to convince or pull you in any direction, people are just giving there opinion and balancing out the negativity that surfaces on these boards when we dont win. I dont remember the boards being this busy after we beat wigan away last week, youll always notice an increase in traffic on here after a so called bad result
pauled177
Robots
Doug4ever
Doug4ever, what a great response to an argument
pauled177
I seriously believe we are only 2 quality players away from the title let alone 4th! A proven quality goalscorer and a creative flair attacking midfielder and hey presto.... 8th lol jk
thorpyuk
p.villa - you are the scummy one, you posts make no sense, i am not sure you what you are debating about. If my expectations are too high then why was I going to Villa Park when we were battling relegation under GT and DOL? I have no expectation, I just cannot stand the manager, you like him so enjoy the ride. I don't like him so I will watch from my armchair until he leaves and then I will be back be that in a season battling for 4th or for the playoffs in the championship, I don't give a toss, you don't know me mate so don't pretend you do.
young_jonah
I seriously believe we are only 2 quality players away from the title let alone 4th! A proven quality goalscorer and a creative flair attacking midfielder and hey presto.... 8th lol jk
thorpyuk
This site is just full of negativity anyway, and i no for a fact not even a quarter of villas fanbase want MON out of the club as there is not another man who will do a better job to building our club into a champions league team. The ones that do are deluded and need shooting as they havnt a clue what there talking aboutt.
p.villa
pauled177, I used to travel away, 3 times this season for example. I know what wonderful supporters we have and I am annoyed MON decided to acknowledge a few boos rather than the 37,000 backing our boys.
young_jonah
Wasn't referring to you personally pauled177 just the people who wont let me or other fans have our own opinion .
Doug4ever
You sure its the managers fault your not going to villa park? or is your dole money not covering your season ticket? Good luck with waiting for a better manager to come along haha, im sure you will be waiting a long time MATE.
p.villa
Wasn't referring to you personally pauled177 just the people who wont let me or other fans have our own opinion .
Doug4ever
You sure its the managers fault your not going to villa park? or is your dole money not covering your season ticket? Good luck with waiting for a better manager to come along haha, im sure you will be waiting a long time MATE.
p.villa
Believe it or not I was the one trying to keep people's chins up after the League Cup final defeat, what a difference a month makes........
young_jonah
So YJ if you have travelled away, then surely you can see that MON acknowleges what great support we have, yet you cant see past the gripes he has with the minority that slate him and his responses to them
pauled177
p.villa - i might just go along anyway, you'd never know. :-) and nah not on the dole mate, you might be when you leave school though son
young_jonah
p.villa - i might just go along anyway, you'd never know. :-) and nah not on the dole mate, you might be when you leave school though son
young_jonah
Left school 9 years ago, finished university so yeah good one.
p.villa
But whats changed since a month ago Young-jonah? we was as much in the race for fourth as we are now and since then we are going back to wembley? Just gets better, i dont understand some people
p.villa
Left school 9 years ago, finished university so yeah good one.
p.villa
This isn't the first time O'Neill has had a dig at fans though pauled117, I seem to remember it didn't help O'Leary turning on the fans, I don't get what has made O'Neill so untouchable, he hasn't achieved anything yet and the last time he won a competition that meant something he was managing Leicester and that was over a decade ago, why is he so untouchable?
young_jonah
p.villa Why do you have to be so insulting to everyone . Even if a spud comes on and says something good about us(it has happened) you insult them . (voiceoftheholte started it with me so dont bring that up)
Doug4ever
This isn't the first time O'Neill has had a dig at fans though pauled117, I seem to remember it didn't help O'Leary turning on the fans, I don't get what has made O'Neill so untouchable, he hasn't achieved anything yet and the last time he won a competition that meant something he was managing Leicester and that was over a decade ago, why is he so untouchable?
young_jonah
Doug4ever what are you on about? bring what up? I maybe am insulting but only to people who show no respect back. I havnt ever insulted a spurs fan who has said something good about us either, i have when they have said something negative about us ill hold my hands up to that. Thats how i am get over it ill say what i like if i feel someone is wrong.
p.villa
Simple Fact...Everyone who thinks we could be doing better right now without MON is a joke. Seriously, what are you babbling on about? Your Wrong. Sorry. Its no even an opinion. Your just wrong. We absolutely could NOT be doing better with a different Manager. It takes time to build a team and thats what is happening. MON is doing brilliantly. Since when did we decide we have to attain 4th this year? I would much rather us challenge the top 4 for the next 20 years then just be a one hit wonder that challenges for a year or two then falls back to mid table. You haters need to bug off
All Hail MON
Sorry p.villa i must have confused you with someone else
Doug4ever
All Hail MON, is that you Martin?
young_jonah
Spot on All hail MON
p.villa
Spot on All hail MON
p.villa
If challenging the top 4 for the next 20 years is all we are aiming for then Mon isnt good enough
Doug4ever
Haters= pessimist........ All other fans= optimist. I guess there isnt even really a reason to debate. We all know the simple truth, and that is that haters are pessimist, its not even their fault for complaining. Its just in their nature
All Hail MON
Haters= pessimist........ All other fans= optimist. I guess there isnt even really a reason to debate. We all know the simple truth, and that is that haters are pessimist, its not even their fault for complaining. Its just in their nature
All Hail MON
True Doug4ever but in the next 20 years anything can happen. Oneil started by making us an established mid table side and then overachived and now he is trying to get us a top 4 side and doing a great jon. Who knows in the next 6 years if he is still at villa he could be having us challenge for the title. The future is bright.
p.villa
True Doug4ever but in the next 20 years anything can happen. Oneil started by making us an established mid table side and then overachived and now he is trying to get us a top 4 side and doing a great jon. Who knows in the next 6 years if he is still at villa he could be having us challenge for the title. The future is bright.
p.villa
UTV!!!! 4 LIFE!
All Hail MON
Great job** LOL
p.villa
Great job** LOL
p.villa
p.villa challenging for the title eventually would be great .. this season i would be happy with 4th but i think it is getting beyond reach .. hope not .. I actually like Mon and as i have said many times i would like him to stay but i would like him to use his squad properly and dont think he is above criticism .
Doug4ever
p.villa challenging for the title eventually would be great .. this season i would be happy with 4th but i think it is getting beyond reach .. hope not .. I actually like Mon and as i have said many times i would like him to stay but i would like him to use his squad properly and dont think he is above criticism .
Doug4ever
MON explicitly aimed his comments at negative jonny come latelys and fairweather fans - says it all that Young Jonah's annoyed. I'm not as I don't class myself as either of these so don't feel any of his criticism was aimed at me.
Longman
MON explicitly aimed his comments at negative jonny come latelys and fairweather fans - says it all that Young Jonah's annoyed. I'm not as I don't class myself as either of these so don't feel any of his criticism was aimed at me.
Longman
I have said in recent comments that the way he uses some players such as cuellar is poor and his substitutions are also but for example on saturday when we all screamed for young and delfouneso to come on he didnt as he wants us to know whos boss and most top managers would have done the same. MON is the man for the job at villa i think and Doug4ever top 4 is probably just beyond us now but who knows what will happen in the remaining fixtures we still have a little chance. Still i think with this issue of oneil some fans are being very unfair and in certain case discracefull.(young-jonah)
p.villa
I have said in recent comments that the way he uses some players such as cuellar is poor and his substitutions are also but for example on saturday when we all screamed for young and delfouneso to come on he didnt as he wants us to know whos boss and most top managers would have done the same. MON is the man for the job at villa i think and Doug4ever top 4 is probably just beyond us now but who knows what will happen in the remaining fixtures we still have a little chance. Still i think with this issue of oneil some fans are being very unfair and in certain case discracefull.(young-jonah)
p.villa
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Doug4ever
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Doug4ever
100 posts yippee
Doug4ever
I think we all have something in common as we would all like Villa to do well .
Doug4ever
I think we all have something in common as we would all like Villa to do well .
Doug4ever
That exactly it Doug4ever, I stand side by side with villa fans and i don't take kindly to a jonnycomelately like Monny who wasn't here a few years ago like the rest of us slagging off my fellow supporters. Too many think he is above criticism as you say and thats what makes it sad.
young_jonah
That exactly it Doug4ever, I stand side by side with villa fans and i don't take kindly to a jonnycomelately like Monny who wasn't here a few years ago like the rest of us slagging off my fellow supporters. Too many think he is above criticism as you say and thats what makes it sad.
young_jonah
I was at Villa Park before he came and I will be there after he goes. He will move on as this is just a job to him, Villa is our love, we don't get paid to support them, he gets paid to pick the best 11 every game (and he rarely gets that right). UTV
young_jonah
I was at Villa Park before he came and I will be there after he goes. He will move on as this is just a job to him, Villa is our love, we don't get paid to support them, he gets paid to pick the best 11 every game (and he rarely gets that right). UTV
young_jonah
I don't hold with this mentality that just because we are doing well (compared to other seasons) that we should shut up and be nice to Mr O'Neil. He is a very good Manager and I'm glad he's at Villa, but he does make some very strange decisions / signings. He does come across as a bit precious when he gets a bit of flak from the crowd, I don't agree with booing but when many thousands of Villa fans are all saying the same thing (Carlos at RB, Heskey getting a game when he should be warming the bench) perhaps we have a point Martin?
juddy
I don't hold with this mentality that just because we are doing well (compared to other seasons) that we should shut up and be nice to Mr O'Neil. He is a very good Manager and I'm glad he's at Villa, but he does make some very strange decisions / signings. He does come across as a bit precious when he gets a bit of flak from the crowd, I don't agree with booing but when many thousands of Villa fans are all saying the same thing (Carlos at RB, Heskey getting a game when he should be warming the bench) perhaps we have a point Martin?
juddy
MON has done a decent job and we have a good team on it`s day,But he won`t win us a trophy and won`t get us top 4 after spending lots of money.My worry is that he continues to buy and sell at a loss or players just stagnate i.e Sidwell/Delph/Davies etc after the amount we`ve spent he`ll just get another job and leave us with the debt like he did at Celtic,if anyone can explain Cuellar/Heskey getting games over Luke Young and Carew then go ahead,plus why doesn`t he rotate more when he can?I just think we all want the same and share similar concerns which never get properly addressed by media/MON,we all love the Villa and just want decent footy/results.
ASPINALL
This thread is quite funny if you scan through it. It is a mad world we live in and most of us on this site including me all contribute to making it a little bit madder. Passion is on display in abundance, and I for my two pennyworth I think very nearly everyone who posts is a Villa Fan even if I vehemently disagree with them. MON is a great manager and lots of good points, but I disagree with those who think he is beyond criticism. The annoying thing about him is that lots of fans share the same views about his frustrating selections.I don't agree with booing the team in any shape or form. but I don't agree with MON slagging off the fans either - even those that moan, it just becomes a vicious circle. Possibly, we can never prove it, MON is throwing away 4th place by playing Heskey at all, and Cuellar out of position plus frustrating our youngsters. I remain convinced our youth are better than most other teams - their results in the reserves and when they have come in would seem to support it. But I cannot believe that we are nothing other than a very very very very very distant 20th place in the Premier League in terms of the opportunities we have given our youngsters in the PL this season. Anyway, here's hoping the Dumbos from the bog are beaten tonight and that Gloucester scrape a win against Scouseport. I endure Villa my one and only passionately supported football love, but I "like" other teams and still enjoy seeing some grass roots football too. Come on Stenny and the mighty Cods! By making such an admission I am sure in some peoles eyes IO am now disqualified as a Villa fan - but I can only say I am passionate, but need a fix of watching football that isn't life and death knife edge entertainment for a change. Up the Villa, and best wishes to all you passionate Villa fans out there whoever you are and whatever your views are. The main thing is we stuff the Black Cats tomorrow - althouh a Fonz hat trick would be nice from three crosses by Luke Young!!!
stennyvilla
What a shame this thread has turned out the way it has :-(. Young Jonah, I blame your seeming youth in having no patience and that's somewhat understandable from my viewpoint. AVFC48, you have no such excuse. How you can't enjoy this season after some of the tripe we've seen is beyond me. How neutrals viewing this thread must be *****ing themselves:-( All I know is slagging the manager and booing the players isn't going to help in our race for the top 4. That bit is certain imo.
badger0-0
If we finish in the top 4, I'll show my arse in Top Shop window.
juddy
If we finish in the top 4, I'll show my arse in Top Shop window.
juddy
Honestly, our success is in large part a function of how much Randy has invested. The credit should go where it is due - Randy Lerner has in my opinion caused the complete turn around in Villa's fortunes He has provided a fairly significant investment into our team and done this in a manner that gives himself great credit. The current problem is the manner in which the team is being run is about as transparent as mud. I feel that as a supporter of the club I am being left out of the loop. Week in and week out some decisions are made that I (and feel free to correct me but I think the majority of Villa supporters) do not agree with. My problem is that I don't feel that any of these issues raised are dealt with in a reasonable and transparent manner. I'm beginning to feel that any issue raised by the supporters is ignored by the team management. I am sick and tired of watching people play out of position or Heskey not having a shot during a match or our bench twiddling their thumbs while our team falls over from exhaustion. If there was at least an attempt by the club to actually address some of these issues, whether it be by actually implementing a change or at least providing some explanation, there would be less anger and frustration directed towards the club (and MON in particular). Still maintain he isn't the man for the job though :P But thats a whole different rant. :P
Astriel
A point which somebody raised at the Wolves game: MON moans about squad size and players being knackered, yet he doesn't use the bench or make decent signings....also, Fulham have played around 10 games more than us this season, are still in Europe, the cup and are having a good run in the league....food for thought?
juddy
juddy, MON doesn't make decent signings? I absolutely despair. He signed three cheap defenders that are the backbone of the meanest defence in the prem ffs! Totally agree about Fulham though. Yes it's food for thought. The players are tired and need rotating? My arse!
badger0-0
juddy, MON doesn't make decent signings? I absolutely despair. He signed three cheap defenders that are the backbone of the meanest defence in the prem ffs! Totally agree about Fulham though. Yes it's food for thought. The players are tired and need rotating? My arse!
badger0-0
Jesus. Nuff said
RiF
Jesus. Nuff said
RiF
Astriel. While I agree that MON is frustrating as hell in his substitution and selection policy, he's the guy that will take the plaudits or the fall for his decisions. Regarding 'being left out of the loop', how many managers ballot the supporters as to who is in the team? You talk about transparency... that is fine for the general running of the club and we finally have that through the open forum to the General and the polls Randy puts out. But, not regarding team matters. That will just never happen. Do you work for the civil service or another politically correct, transparent, equally opportune and diverse organisation, perchance?
Rawlie
Young jonah get over the Mon thing and support your TEAM!!!!
astonsteve
Lol - point taken Rawlie :D But I think that as supporters we should have some buy in. Or at least some concerns addressed by team management. The running of the team seems like a black hole at the moment. Selection policy could come down to picking names out of a hat or who gives MON more apples at training. Maybe who kisses his winners medals more :P The key point though is that we are having a decent season, yet many fans are frustrated with policies no one understands. I actually think very few Villans are unhappy with this season (yes 4th would be nice). But so many baffling decisions never are explained and are used week in and week out. Even after we put in a great performance there are still grumblings about Heskey, Cuellar, tiredness etc.
Astriel
astonsteve, you are right mate (had a few nights sleep on it now) :-) Gotta stay positive for the team, I have just never disliked a manager so much (barring O'Leary as no-one liked him anyway). The team are far more important than my feelings about the manager. UTV
young_jonah
Good to hear it Young Jonah, we all want the same thing, manager, players and supporters so lets stick together and we may achieve it. My own opinion is martin is doing a great job, yes some strange decisions, but what manager doesnt.
astonsteve
Beat sunderland tonight lads, and we're right back up that league like a rat up a drainpipe :>
thorpyuk
Poorly worded by me badger0-0. MON HAS brought some good players into the club....but a truckload of crap too. Sidwell, Salifou, Harewood, Beye, Shorey, Heskey....
juddy
Poorly worded by me badger0-0. MON HAS brought some good players into the club....but a truckload of crap too. Sidwell, Salifou, Harewood, Beye, Shorey, Heskey....
juddy
Just like most managers then juddy, even sir alex djemba twins, kleberson etc.
astonsteve
Just like most managers then juddy, even sir alex djemba twins, kleberson etc.
astonsteve
jonah you really are a comedy figure. It has taken a short while and I have read through a lot of your previous posts. You are the type of fan that really brings down the rest of the good support we have. Read your previous posts and your one from the start of the season and we are exceeding the expectations that YOU set. We are the only team unbeaten in the League this decade and you moan. We have just been to one final and you moan. We are in the semi of another and you moan. We have beaten Chelsea Manure Redscouse and our our local rivals with a local lad scoring the winning goal and still you moan. The Manager critisises those who moan (the likes of you) and apparently that is not allowed. M'ON makes many mistakes in the eyes of the fans, he is not the almighty saviour. But this club is on the biggest upward curve for many a year and still you moan. It takes many years to get over what the previous regimes have done for this club, but you moan because apparently this upward trajectory that the club is on isn't enough for you. Well I am glad that you will not be back at Villa Park. You and your ilk are not welcome. Goodbye. Good riddance. Take the other few muppets that tarnish the name of the rest of us with you. Now get off this site and leave it for real Villa supporters. But no doubt you will be stay on here spreading your poison. Maybe you can set up an alternative site called 'Vital Villa Armchair Fans club'? Then you and the other ones that break the unity that is vital for a succeesful club can all be happy together?
voiceoftheholte
jonah you really are a comedy figure. It has taken a short while and I have read through a lot of your previous posts. You are the type of fan that really brings down the rest of the good support we have. Read your previous posts and your one from the start of the season and we are exceeding the expectations that YOU set. We are the only team unbeaten in the League this decade and you moan. We have just been to one final and you moan. We are in the semi of another and you moan. We have beaten Chelsea Manure Redscouse and our our local rivals with a local lad scoring the winning goal and still you moan. The Manager critisises those who moan (the likes of you) and apparently that is not allowed. M'ON makes many mistakes in the eyes of the fans, he is not the almighty saviour. But this club is on the biggest upward curve for many a year and still you moan. It takes many years to get over what the previous regimes have done for this club, but you moan because apparently this upward trajectory that the club is on isn't enough for you. Well I am glad that you will not be back at Villa Park. You and your ilk are not welcome. Goodbye. Good riddance. Take the other few muppets that tarnish the name of the rest of us with you. Now get off this site and leave it for real Villa supporters. But no doubt you will be stay on here spreading your poison. Maybe you can set up an alternative site called 'Vital Villa Armchair Fans club'? Then you and the other ones that break the unity that is vital for a succeesful club can all be happy together?
voiceoftheholte
juddy you are using Fulham as a yardstick? OMG is that who we are comparing ourselves to. They have actually played 6 games more than us this season in all competitions. Are half way down the league having lost 12 (yes 12) of their 30 league games. Have yet to reach Wembley once let alone twice and you are comparing us to them. God give me strength.
voiceoftheholte
juddy you are using Fulham as a yardstick? OMG is that who we are comparing ourselves to. They have actually played 6 games more than us this season in all competitions. Are half way down the league having lost 12 (yes 12) of their 30 league games. Have yet to reach Wembley once let alone twice and you are comparing us to them. God give me strength.
voiceoftheholte
voice - is that you Martin? :D
thorpyuk
voice - is that you Martin? :D
thorpyuk
After all the cr*p and **** we had to put up with the previous incumbent board and the time we (Fear,myself, and many many others) spent rain or shine wanting better for OUR club. We finally get the man to lead us there in Randy Lerner (albeit that our protests did not have a direct influence in this). We get a manager that the majority of fans wanted (phone ins etc etc). We have gradually improved and will continue to do so, we still get some real vitriolic bile (in some extreme cases) spurted out against the Manager. He has given us a start of something we should be proud of. Our name has risen in profile. We are a club that is gaining respect in the way we deal with fellow clubs (thanks to MON and randy and their ethics). We have fans envying us. We have a manager of a club (Bruce) who is modelling his club on ours. It is so refreshing to be able to watch Villa and go to Villa Park without thinking "we gotta get rid of the board/manager cos we are going backwards or stagnating". I like JF am enjoying the ride for the first time since god knows when. I have been through the worst and best (since 1962) and I say Thank McGrath for MON and Randy and long may it continue while we stabalise and build properly.
nazvfc
After all the cr*p and **** we had to put up with the previous incumbent board and the time we (Fear,myself, and many many others) spent rain or shine wanting better for OUR club. We finally get the man to lead us there in Randy Lerner (albeit that our protests did not have a direct influence in this). We get a manager that the majority of fans wanted (phone ins etc etc). We have gradually improved and will continue to do so, we still get some real vitriolic bile (in some extreme cases) spurted out against the Manager. He has given us a start of something we should be proud of. Our name has risen in profile. We are a club that is gaining respect in the way we deal with fellow clubs (thanks to MON and randy and their ethics). We have fans envying us. We have a manager of a club (Bruce) who is modelling his club on ours. It is so refreshing to be able to watch Villa and go to Villa Park without thinking "we gotta get rid of the board/manager cos we are going backwards or stagnating". I like JF am enjoying the ride for the first time since god knows when. I have been through the worst and best (since 1962) and I say Thank McGrath for MON and Randy and long may it continue while we stabalise and build properly.
nazvfc
Well said nazvfc, couldnt agree more!!
astonsteve
Well said nazvfc, couldnt agree more!!
astonsteve
Nazfc, think you sum up a lot of fans feelings there, its a shame that the minority are heard and given a voice that puts us all in a bad light. The short sightedness of some fans has bewildered me this season. It started at Wigan at Villa Park first game of the season and has been bubbling under the surface every game since
pauled177
the drugs do help us mind you Naz?!?! (+ voice, others... lets not go personal please, all fans and readers/members here have the right to their views no matter how much you disagree... thanks ever so much!)
The Fear
True JF True. Yes it would be nice to debate without all this personal attacks etc. We are after all 1 big family of AVFC.
nazvfc
True JF True. Yes it would be nice to debate without all this personal attacks etc. We are after all 1 big family of AVFC.
nazvfc
VOTH: Nope, not using Fulham as a yardstick (perhaps read, then comment?) I was merely pointing out that MON will come up with excuses regarding players being tired, when there are teams out there with smaller squads that have played 10 games more that us! Did you watch the Juve game!? Nurse..he's out of bed again.
juddy
 

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