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Should CL Qualification Change? Have Your Say

Following on from the article yesterday about the new Champions League qualification proposals: Top 4 Won't Like New League Proposals - MON Does

we have had a poll suggested by villa_de

Should the qualification remain as it is? Should it be a play off between 4th and 5th? Should it be, as proposed, a play off between 4th - 7th?

Or should we be looking at adding the FA Cup or indeed both Cups (League Cup being the other) into the mix? It would then surely at least make it a 'champions' league then?

Have your say in the article comments, our forum thread: Click Here

And don't forget to vote!

What people are saying so far:

Gunnerman: Apparently Moyes isn't a fan of the idea - depends on the views of the rest of the league. I like the concept, but as has been debated on our forum I'm not convinced the idea has been properly thought through. It could end up in us losing our 4th champions league spot, putting the whole thing back to square 1.

The Fear: That was the only point against I could really come up with, as you say, we could potentially lose the 4th place if we do follow through, although I guess they'd only go ahead with the right permission. It is unfair in many ways, as are the play offs in the lower leagues, but on the flipside, they can be very exciting and might open things up a little.... Better way, as I've said numerous times in my CL rants, is to give the places to champions, so 1st in league, League Cup winners and FA Cup winners. Then maybe 2nd also. Used to be a competition for winners, now it is for also rans.

paul_ownz: Don't like the idea myself and not just because i am an Arsenal fan. In the last 3 seasons Blackburn, Bolton & fulham have finished 7th and had this proposal been in place could of seen them in Europe. I don't see how anyone would benefit from those teams being in the competition except fans of those clubs. The CL which already has a rubbish Group stage would add another(possible) couple of average/poor teams making it easier for the big teams to win it, We would eventually lose our 4th spot place because it works on co efficiencies etc. A better solution would be for the FA cup winners to go head to head with 4th spot.

claretandbluearmy: that's a bit shallow and selfish paul the big four are the big four because they get massive funds for champs League, who's to say Blackburn, Bolton and Fulham couldnt improve ther whole structure with that financial backing and become the new 'Arsenal' maybe?

Full comments: Top 4 Won't Like New League Proposals - MON Does

Also an interesting article about the same issue on Vital Chelsea, whose position is, as expected as one of the 'top four' a bit different to maybe many of ours: Click Here

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The Journalist

Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday February 17 2010

Time: 8:54AM

Your Comments

I have to say it smacks of overtures of greed by the Premier league. Not a fan of the idea, as it comes down to possibly 2 games to decide qualification. 4th place team could finish 20 points plus ahead of 7th place, have a bad game in play offs and bang goes the Champs League. Prem League just looking at more ways to line their already overstuffed pockets!!
Kuffit
I have to say it smacks of overtures of greed by the Premier league. Not a fan of the idea, as it comes down to possibly 2 games to decide qualification. 4th place team could finish 20 points plus ahead of 7th place, have a bad game in play offs and bang goes the Champs League. Prem League just looking at more ways to line their already overstuffed pockets!!
Kuffit
Couple of points. Champions League should just be for Champions. However as football is all about TV money that will never happen. If England has four qualifiers it should either be the top 4 or the top 3 and the FA Cup Winners. If the league want an extra game then maybe 4th could have a play off with the FA Cup Winners for the final spot. At the moment the FA Cup is reduced to the value of the League Cup with the winners getting into the Europa League. So maybe this would also give a boost to the FA Cup. But a massive thumbs down to the overall play off idea for all of the reasons mentioned in the article. However it will be in the interests of every club who just hope for a top half finish to vote for the idea as it would give them an opportunity to grab the riches on offer. Those currently in the top 4 will obviously vote against it.
voiceoftheholte
Couple of points. Champions League should just be for Champions. However as football is all about TV money that will never happen. If England has four qualifiers it should either be the top 4 or the top 3 and the FA Cup Winners. If the league want an extra game then maybe 4th could have a play off with the FA Cup Winners for the final spot. At the moment the FA Cup is reduced to the value of the League Cup with the winners getting into the Europa League. So maybe this would also give a boost to the FA Cup. But a massive thumbs down to the overall play off idea for all of the reasons mentioned in the article. However it will be in the interests of every club who just hope for a top half finish to vote for the idea as it would give them an opportunity to grab the riches on offer. Those currently in the top 4 will obviously vote against it.
voiceoftheholte
Keep it as it is, a playoff to go into a qualifying round is pathetic, after managing to beat 2 teams in the playoff you then go out to some team from Andorra in the qualifier, UEFA would take England's 4th spot away so leave it as it is the best 4 teams represent.
young_jonah
Keep it as it is, a playoff to go into a qualifying round is pathetic, after managing to beat 2 teams in the playoff you then go out to some team from Andorra in the qualifier, UEFA would take England's 4th spot away so leave it as it is the best 4 teams represent.
young_jonah
stupid idea, ur hard work for an entire season can become uSELESs
jyocool
stupid idea, ur hard work for an entire season can become uSELESs
jyocool
As is plainly obvious (so far at least) on the poll, the idea of giving it to the FA cup winners, or somehow involving the FA cup has got to be the best one. It would give a new life to the FA cup, and still enable the possibility of other sides other than the traditional top 4 a crack at entering the competition.

However, looking at it from a cynical standpoint, I don't think that there is enough money to be made out of doing it this way, and unfortunately it tends to be the case that if the suits want more cash, they will find a way of making it - with this in mind, don't be too surprised if the proposal goes ahead.

The main counters are that it negates the whole point of working your arse off to finish up to 20 points ahead of those the next few places below you, and more destructively, could lose England its right to 4 CL spots, making everything worse than if the proposal was never put in place.
Gunnerman
As is plainly obvious (so far at least) on the poll, the idea of giving it to the FA cup winners, or somehow involving the FA cup has got to be the best one. It would give a new life to the FA cup, and still enable the possibility of other sides other than the traditional top 4 a crack at entering the competition.

However, looking at it from a cynical standpoint, I don't think that there is enough money to be made out of doing it this way, and unfortunately it tends to be the case that if the suits want more cash, they will find a way of making it - with this in mind, don't be too surprised if the proposal goes ahead.

The main counters are that it negates the whole point of working your arse off to finish up to 20 points ahead of those the next few places below you, and more destructively, could lose England its right to 4 CL spots, making everything worse than if the proposal was never put in place.
Gunnerman
Should only be ONE team in a CHAMPIONS league anyway! To REALLY upset the Sky 4 Champions and Runners Up go directly into League. The other two places go to the FA Cup and League Cup winners. Then at least you have THREE winners in the 4 qualifiers. IF one of the top two (or both) are Cup winners then 3rd or 4th place team get promoted from Europa League. NO PLAY-OFFS though. Pure money making greed.
krfeskivilla
Should only be ONE team in a CHAMPIONS league anyway! To REALLY upset the Sky 4 Champions and Runners Up go directly into League. The other two places go to the FA Cup and League Cup winners. Then at least you have THREE winners in the 4 qualifiers. IF one of the top two (or both) are Cup winners then 3rd or 4th place team get promoted from Europa League. NO PLAY-OFFS though. Pure money making greed.
krfeskivilla
according to the dictionary, a 'champion' is a person or thing that defeats all others in a competition. therefore the 'champions' league should consist of teams that have actually won something. i.e. 3 english teams .... the winners of the premier league, the FA cup and the league cup.
AV-Damo
according to the dictionary, a 'champion' is a person or thing that defeats all others in a competition. therefore the 'champions' league should consist of teams that have actually won something. i.e. 3 english teams .... the winners of the premier league, the FA cup and the league cup.
AV-Damo
I totally agree with AV-Damo, I would add to that the premier league runners up (because we have 4 spaces in the Champs League) by doing this it would stop teams 'under-valueing' the cup competitions.
claretandbluearmy
I totally agree with AV-Damo, I would add to that the premier league runners up (because we have 4 spaces in the Champs League) by doing this it would stop teams 'under-valueing' the cup competitions.
claretandbluearmy
Overall, I think its a good idea, but I agree completely with voiceoftheholte. In fact, I like his FA Cup winners idea even more than the playoff concept.
Teddy_KGB
Overall, I think its a good idea, but I agree completely with voiceoftheholte. In fact, I like his FA Cup winners idea even more than the playoff concept.
Teddy_KGB
Leave it as it is, the team who finishes in fourth place at the end of the season deserves the champs league spot.. (and are the best prepared for c.l.) The premier League are only *****ed off that the battle for fourth place is overshadowing the battle betwen Man U and Chelsea for who wins the league. Once you open it up with teams from 4th to 7th place then go into a play off, then the competition will not be so fierce. Also it means any team who finish in the 4th to 7th place will have extra games before they play in the FA Cup final.. (if they were to get in it).. I dont like the Idea at all. Stop tinkering!!!!
hazza01
Leave it as it is, the team who finishes in fourth place at the end of the season deserves the champs league spot.. (and are the best prepared for c.l.) The premier League are only *****ed off that the battle for fourth place is overshadowing the battle betwen Man U and Chelsea for who wins the league. Once you open it up with teams from 4th to 7th place then go into a play off, then the competition will not be so fierce. Also it means any team who finish in the 4th to 7th place will have extra games before they play in the FA Cup final.. (if they were to get in it).. I dont like the Idea at all. Stop tinkering!!!!
hazza01
So in a way, a team finishing in seventh could be rewarded the same as a team finishing in second with both possibly being in the CL the next season. Keep it as it is or at the most have FA cup winners rewarded with a spot or a playoff against the team in 4th.
paul_ownz
So in a way, a team finishing in seventh could be rewarded the same as a team finishing in second with both possibly being in the CL the next season. Keep it as it is or at the most have FA cup winners rewarded with a spot or a playoff against the team in 4th.
paul_ownz
paul - The same argument could be made that a team finishing in 4th gets the same reward as a team finishing in 1st. Although I don't like a 4th-7th playoff I idea I do think changing the CL qualification should definately be looked at. And I agree the FA cup option is appealing for fans but for the league has little commercial merit so probably wouldn't even be consdiered
Phartman87
paul - The same argument could be made that a team finishing in 4th gets the same reward as a team finishing in 1st. Although I don't like a 4th-7th playoff I idea I do think changing the CL qualification should definately be looked at. And I agree the FA cup option is appealing for fans but for the league has little commercial merit so probably wouldn't even be consdiered
Phartman87
Champions League spots going to League, League Cup & FA Cup Winners with the Qualifying Champions League place (normally 4th place) up for grabs in the play-offs between 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th places with losers making do with Europa League.
StuLinney
Champions League spots going to League, League Cup & FA Cup Winners with the Qualifying Champions League place (normally 4th place) up for grabs in the play-offs between 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th places with losers making do with Europa League.
StuLinney
Rubbish idea. What happens in World Cup years when we want the season to finish early, and then we have to have another three games tagged on to the end of the season. Greed greed greed. They are not interested in football just money.
DoLpHiNaToR
Rubbish idea. What happens in World Cup years when we want the season to finish early, and then we have to have another three games tagged on to the end of the season. Greed greed greed. They are not interested in football just money.
DoLpHiNaToR
You know what would happen if this was introduced? The first season this is put in place would also just happen to be the first time Villa manage to finish 4th.
PiperUK
You know what would happen if this was introduced? The first season this is put in place would also just happen to be the first time Villa manage to finish 4th.
PiperUK
 

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