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MON Post Match - Frustrating But Still 'OK'

Martin O'Neill told www.avfc.co.uk he had hoped when Manchester United went down ten men Villa might be able to dominate a bit more but admits in the second half we didn't make enough of our one man advantage - which is putting it mildly, to be fair you would have thought it was us down to ten men, then again, Wayne Rooney is pretty much worth two of any other player isn't he? Wow, what a player, so strong on the ball and so determined to run every inch of the pitch, bit like John Carew really!

MON added, 'I suppose if you'd told me at the start of the season that we would take four points against Manchester United I would have been pretty happy with that. When they had the man sent off, we almost played into their hands for 10 or 15 minutes and didn't get enough momentum going in the second half.' Also adding that the draw was 'ok' when you consider the pedigree of United.

'It was a great goal for Carlos. He did brilliantly. The header was exceptional but then we didn't hold on for long enough really.' (If you haven't seen the goal, seriously make an effort to watch it, he put our strikers to shame with that and his late dash around the Man Utd box trying to do what the strikers clearly didn't/couldn't.

He also says he brought on Carew in the hope of creating more chances, to be fair it looks - especially from the highlights - that he should have had a penalty when dragged down with two hands but apart from that..... Time for The Fonz surely!? Thread in our forum about that if you wish to read/join in: Click Here (Forums contain more adult content/language)

MON added, 'So in the end I suppose I am satisfied to a certain extent but we're not jumping through hoops - although we have taken four points from them this season.'

On Petrov - he is apparently 'sore' after the awful tackle (not quite as bad on replay as it looked on the night mind you) and added he got stiff after it. Makes you wonder why young Fabian Delph was brought off when he was arguably our man of the match up to that point, along with the defenders as usual obviously! Petrov looked like he was shattered, put in a great performance first half but the chap hasn't had a rest at all and looks like he's been run into the ground. Doesn't really make sense does it?

Strangely, and hey, he is the boss, he knows his players, he said he brought Delph off because he was getting tired.

MON also said he agreed with the red card (to be fair Sir Chewalot also didn't get off his chair and make any complaints) so that is Nani out of the Carling Cup (3 match ban) and Ryan Giggs has a suspected broken arm. I think Giggs makes my top five Prem players but I have no sympathy for him last night hurting his arm in a woeful tackle on one of our players (forget who now) and I was sitting right in line with the tackle, it was a very rash challenge, so tough really!

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Date:Thursday February 11 2010

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Im made up with our return from our last 4 games to be honest, 6 points and undefeated from 4 extremely tough games when not playing great is tremendous and shows just how far we have come. we really need to push on now in our next 4 games against teams we should on paper be beating, however these are usually the games where we slip up.
pauled177
Im made up with our return from our last 4 games to be honest, 6 points and undefeated from 4 extremely tough games when not playing great is tremendous and shows just how far we have come. we really need to push on now in our next 4 games against teams we should on paper be beating, however these are usually the games where we slip up.
pauled177
First time I have seen Delph 'properly' since he joined - likewise for alot of us. He was superb, a sublime first touch, I noticed aswell he also like to play the pass straight away without taking a touch, his vision is to go forward, he can tackle, he creates play. I am still left wondering why he was substituted for Carew? But I understand why you need to keep your width against United and it would have been difficult to have taken Milly/downing off. Oneill must have known Petrov was hurt - SURELY Petrov for Carew would have been the way to go.
Stig
First time I have seen Delph 'properly' since he joined - likewise for alot of us. He was superb, a sublime first touch, I noticed aswell he also like to play the pass straight away without taking a touch, his vision is to go forward, he can tackle, he creates play. I am still left wondering why he was substituted for Carew? But I understand why you need to keep your width against United and it would have been difficult to have taken Milly/downing off. Oneill must have known Petrov was hurt - SURELY Petrov for Carew would have been the way to go.
Stig
Looking forward to Delph scoring some of his hotshot goals like the ones that he got for Leeds .
Doug4ever
Looking forward to Delph scoring some of his hotshot goals like the ones that he got for Leeds .
Doug4ever
pauled177 hit the nail on the head! I'm happy although strangely enough we seem to be in the minority. We are starting to look a little tired across the board though, is the fixture list catching up with us?
magicmerson
pauled177 hit the nail on the head! I'm happy although strangely enough we seem to be in the minority. We are starting to look a little tired across the board though, is the fixture list catching up with us?
magicmerson
Some do look tired but looks like he may be starting to change things around abit now.
claretandbluearmy
Some do look tired but looks like he may be starting to change things around abit now.
claretandbluearmy
Agree merse, but you can start to see why MON wont rotate the squad in a way, delph is the only player i would trust to bring in, Sidwell isnt good enough, carew and heskey arent good enough, Albrighton has potential but is untried. We have a solid starting 11 but still lack the quality in depth in midfield and attack to continue to perform at the same level
pauled177
Agree merse, but you can start to see why MON wont rotate the squad in a way, delph is the only player i would trust to bring in, Sidwell isnt good enough, carew and heskey arent good enough, Albrighton has potential but is untried. We have a solid starting 11 but still lack the quality in depth in midfield and attack to continue to perform at the same level
pauled177
Must give Delph a little run in the team now ~ Cup Final place ???
davidsands1982
Must give Delph a little run in the team now ~ Cup Final place ???
davidsands1982
This weekends F.A game should be the perfect opportunity to rest players, in should come the likes of Delph, Sidwell, Davies, Albrighton etc to allow a few of the others a well deserved 10 day break
2fishinatank
This weekends F.A game should be the perfect opportunity to rest players, in should come the likes of Delph, Sidwell, Davies, Albrighton etc to allow a few of the others a well deserved 10 day break
2fishinatank
I'll tell you what's frustrating, the fact that MON aint got a clue about tactics. When i saw the starting line up, i thought great, and we played great, then nani gets sent off and i thought brill now we can really boss the midfield and start getting delph & milner further forward. So what does MON do? he takes off the best player on the pitch and reduces the midfield to four (it would'nt have been fair on utd otherwise) and brings on the biggest donkey in the league. Well done MON thats another two points dropped because of your lack of tactical know how. I'm sorry lads but he's brought us as far as he can. Its time to go!
benny003
I'll tell you what's frustrating, the fact that MON aint got a clue about tactics. When i saw the starting line up, i thought great, and we played great, then nani gets sent off and i thought brill now we can really boss the midfield and start getting delph & milner further forward. So what does MON do? he takes off the best player on the pitch and reduces the midfield to four (it would'nt have been fair on utd otherwise) and brings on the biggest donkey in the league. Well done MON thats another two points dropped because of your lack of tactical know how. I'm sorry lads but he's brought us as far as he can. Its time to go!
benny003
I agree with everything you've said benny003 apart from the last bit. I think MON will complete the job in the summer with a class forward and dump JC. What was so frustrating 2nd half was that we looked scared stiff of them. If we'd attacked the holte like we normally do they would of cracked. Delphy deserves a run of games now... but won't get it.
SidGodSid
I agree with everything you've said benny003 apart from the last bit. I think MON will complete the job in the summer with a class forward and dump JC. What was so frustrating 2nd half was that we looked scared stiff of them. If we'd attacked the holte like we normally do they would of cracked. Delphy deserves a run of games now... but won't get it.
SidGodSid
How many times have Villa (or any team for that matter) gone down to 10 men and Villa (or any other team) upped the game and the team with 11 men have failed to beat the 10 men?, if that had been Villa down to 10 men and we fought harder and upped our game? You'd be saying what a performance etc etc but then again you'd complain even then. having the extra man against a QUALITY side just doesn't work the way you think. Jeez - then I suppose on Football manager it's always easy to beat 10 men but alas in the real football world it's not that simple.
nazvfc
How many times have Villa (or any team for that matter) gone down to 10 men and Villa (or any other team) upped the game and the team with 11 men have failed to beat the 10 men?, if that had been Villa down to 10 men and we fought harder and upped our game? You'd be saying what a performance etc etc but then again you'd complain even then. having the extra man against a QUALITY side just doesn't work the way you think. Jeez - then I suppose on Football manager it's always easy to beat 10 men but alas in the real football world it's not that simple.
nazvfc
Yeah benny, you must be right, get him out, sack the board we're in a crisis we drew with the champions. Maybe wait till after the cup final, possible FA cup quarter final and race for 4th place though first, then defo get him out! Maybe we can entice fergie or Mourinho away
pauled177
Yeah benny, you must be right, get him out, sack the board we're in a crisis we drew with the champions. Maybe wait till after the cup final, possible FA cup quarter final and race for 4th place though first, then defo get him out! Maybe we can entice fergie or Mourinho away
pauled177
benny003, its ok saying that you think O'Neill should go, but who is your choice to replace him??? Comments like this really annoy me. I remember a lot of people saying the same when we were regularly finishing 6th with Gregory in charge...afterwards we had Graham Taylor's second spell in charge and O'Leary. We really need to accept what kind of team we are at the moment, and what our expectations are. Fergie didn't come in all guns blazing at the start of his career at Man Utd and look at them now. It has taken a while but the Defence is as solid as you will find in the League. A true Centre Midfielder and Striker who will chip in with 15-20 goals a season and I think we can push on further next season. Let's not forget that in 2 weeks time we are in our first cup final in 10 years. We also have some very good players coming through the ranks who are getting opportunities in the FA Cup. The future is bright, it's not all about immediate success.
Francobaresi13
benny003, its ok saying that you think O'Neill should go, but who is your choice to replace him??? Comments like this really annoy me. I remember a lot of people saying the same when we were regularly finishing 6th with Gregory in charge...afterwards we had Graham Taylor's second spell in charge and O'Leary. We really need to accept what kind of team we are at the moment, and what our expectations are. Fergie didn't come in all guns blazing at the start of his career at Man Utd and look at them now. It has taken a while but the Defence is as solid as you will find in the League. A true Centre Midfielder and Striker who will chip in with 15-20 goals a season and I think we can push on further next season. Let's not forget that in 2 weeks time we are in our first cup final in 10 years. We also have some very good players coming through the ranks who are getting opportunities in the FA Cup. The future is bright, it's not all about immediate success.
Francobaresi13
MON out! This is amazing. We're in a better position all round now than we've been in a long time. The squad is young and English, the Chairman is a champ and we're regularly being talked about as a contender for the top four (which i think in itself is an achievement), and a distinct possibility of silverware. We are growing, learning, maturing and throwing our weight about in the meantime. Remember, continuing to take points whilst playing badly is the sign of good team when the big four do it, why do we take it so hard?
magicmerson
MON out! This is amazing. We're in a better position all round now than we've been in a long time. The squad is young and English, the Chairman is a champ and we're regularly being talked about as a contender for the top four (which i think in itself is an achievement), and a distinct possibility of silverware. We are growing, learning, maturing and throwing our weight about in the meantime. Remember, continuing to take points whilst playing badly is the sign of good team when the big four do it, why do we take it so hard?
magicmerson
SIDWELL OUT.
benji_starsky_avfc
SIDWELL OUT.
benji_starsky_avfc
magicmerson - that's cos they don't look at the full picture - by that I mean the other team - they look at Villa and no-one else, forget that the team down to 10 men are one of the best teams in Europe - have been on at the top for near on 20 years and that they changed the way they played when down to 10 men. Forget the fact that we have progressed (not fast enough for some).
nazvfc
magicmerson - that's cos they don't look at the full picture - by that I mean the other team - they look at Villa and no-one else, forget that the team down to 10 men are one of the best teams in Europe - have been on at the top for near on 20 years and that they changed the way they played when down to 10 men. Forget the fact that we have progressed (not fast enough for some).
nazvfc
benny 003 out!
SchoolBoyError
benny 003 out!
SchoolBoyError
we do look at the full picture last night they were playing so deep l was in the picture and if they had got any deeper they should pay for seats
one match ban
we do look at the full picture last night they were playing so deep l was in the picture and if they had got any deeper they should pay for seats
one match ban
Did mon say he was frustrated? What about the me? Delph was a breath of fresh air but obviously not been given "favourite" status yet. Downing has been doing his best to dash all our hopes that he is any good, his first instinct is to look backwards. If Carew never plays for us again it will be too soon! Give the Fonz a go. In 1 2/3 seasons Sidwell has not shown he has enough quality.

Saying that though, we will only lose 1 more league game this season (chelsea) and draw 1 or 2 (man city / everton). Therefore 30 odd more points and over 70 points total. Hopefully enough for top 4.
RiF
Did mon say he was frustrated? What about the me? Delph was a breath of fresh air but obviously not been given "favourite" status yet. Downing has been doing his best to dash all our hopes that he is any good, his first instinct is to look backwards. If Carew never plays for us again it will be too soon! Give the Fonz a go. In 1 2/3 seasons Sidwell has not shown he has enough quality.

Saying that though, we will only lose 1 more league game this season (chelsea) and draw 1 or 2 (man city / everton). Therefore 30 odd more points and over 70 points total. Hopefully enough for top 4.
RiF
sidwell sidwell sidwell out out out.The fonz - in, the fonz - in, the fonz the fonz the fonz - in in in! and obviously Delph in too
stennyvilla
sidwell sidwell sidwell out out out.The fonz - in, the fonz - in, the fonz the fonz the fonz - in in in! and obviously Delph in too
stennyvilla
O'Neill is a clown. Anyone would be better than him. ANYONE. Benny 003 is right. But we're stuck with the man, especially now he has achieved something really quite 'terrific' and 'exceptional', and even 'world class', in reaching the league cup final. And we might even win it, given Man Ure will in all likelihood send out the reserves. Having said that, there will be 11 of them, so a win isn't a shoe-in... But the league cup is a tin pot cup, though you can understand why O'Neill will be milking it (if you'll excuse the pun) for all it's worth, given much of managerial reputation is founded on his success in it.
Albarnista
O'Neill is a clown. Anyone would be better than him. ANYONE. Benny 003 is right. But we're stuck with the man, especially now he has achieved something really quite 'terrific' and 'exceptional', and even 'world class', in reaching the league cup final. And we might even win it, given Man Ure will in all likelihood send out the reserves. Having said that, there will be 11 of them, so a win isn't a shoe-in... But the league cup is a tin pot cup, though you can understand why O'Neill will be milking it (if you'll excuse the pun) for all it's worth, given much of managerial reputation is founded on his success in it.
Albarnista
@nazvfc: Agreed Utd (at there best) are one of the best teams in europe. But you can't seriously suggest that Evans and Brown are anywhere there best centre back pairing?? We needed to put them under pressure and we didn't. Simple as that. We are looking at a repeat of the 2nd half of last season for me. Even though we have more depth MON doesn't use it so the team will be fatigued when other teams aren't. March will be a ******** nightmare again... I really hope I'm wrong but there it is... UTV
Bobby Norman
@nazvfc: Agreed Utd (at there best) are one of the best teams in europe. But you can't seriously suggest that Evans and Brown are anywhere there best centre back pairing?? We needed to put them under pressure and we didn't. Simple as that. We are looking at a repeat of the 2nd half of last season for me. Even though we have more depth MON doesn't use it so the team will be fatigued when other teams aren't. March will be a ******** nightmare again... I really hope I'm wrong but there it is... UTV
Bobby Norman
Martin O'Neill isn't perfect , I dont agree with everything he does (naff substitutions and undying faith in Heskey) but Mon and Lerner are the best thing that has happened to Villa since Ron Saunders . I dont think we could have a better man for the job . It was bad enough having to listen to all those Spuds last week but so called Villa fans like Albarnista make my blood boil . Everyone is entitled to there opinion but this clown never has a good word to say about anybody ( except other clowns like Benny 003 ) I'll bet they are Blue noses in disguise . START SUPPORTING YOUR TEAM AND UTV !!!!!!!!
Doug4ever
Martin O'Neill isn't perfect , I dont agree with everything he does (naff substitutions and undying faith in Heskey) but Mon and Lerner are the best thing that has happened to Villa since Ron Saunders . I dont think we could have a better man for the job . It was bad enough having to listen to all those Spuds last week but so called Villa fans like Albarnista make my blood boil . Everyone is entitled to there opinion but this clown never has a good word to say about anybody ( except other clowns like Benny 003 ) I'll bet they are Blue noses in disguise . START SUPPORTING YOUR TEAM AND UTV !!!!!!!!
Doug4ever
Albarnista I remember the great Ron Saunders quoting from confucius after we had been beaten by Spurs in our championship winning season. We had got hammered by the press and he wrote in the programme for the following home game "When you hark to the voice of the knocker and listen to his hammer fall remember the fact that the knockers act requires no brains at all" That quote particularly applies to you
sirdennis
Albarnista I remember the great Ron Saunders quoting from confucius after we had been beaten by Spurs in our championship winning season. We had got hammered by the press and he wrote in the programme for the following home game "When you hark to the voice of the knocker and listen to his hammer fall remember the fact that the knockers act requires no brains at all" That quote particularly applies to you
sirdennis
Ok Doug4ever, firstly i've been supporting the VILLA since the late sixties and believe me i've seen some cracking teams over the years. For one this team is no where near as good as "BIG FAT RONS" teams, and i'd even say JG had more idea about tactics than MON. But you seem to be missing the point, i am not slagging off the team and i realise that they are young & English, but surely even you can see that Carlos is no rightback, (neither is Hocky Cokey for that matter) the midfield is missing a bit of flair (Delph for example) Gabby needs a rest and a decent strike partner(whats wrong with the Fonz?) Every transfer window, all the fans are practicaly screaming for a decent striker and a top class attacking midfielder, and all the so called experts on telly say the same. what does MON do? I'm sorry, but for me he's done all he's gonna. Francoberesi13 my choice would be someone like Roy Hodgkiss.
benny003
Ok Doug4ever, firstly i've been supporting the VILLA since the late sixties and believe me i've seen some cracking teams over the years. For one this team is no where near as good as "BIG FAT RONS" teams, and i'd even say JG had more idea about tactics than MON. But you seem to be missing the point, i am not slagging off the team and i realise that they are young & English, but surely even you can see that Carlos is no rightback, (neither is Hocky Cokey for that matter) the midfield is missing a bit of flair (Delph for example) Gabby needs a rest and a decent strike partner(whats wrong with the Fonz?) Every transfer window, all the fans are practicaly screaming for a decent striker and a top class attacking midfielder, and all the so called experts on telly say the same. what does MON do? I'm sorry, but for me he's done all he's gonna. Francoberesi13 my choice would be someone like Roy Hodgkiss.
benny003
benny we have the best defence in the league, yet you moan about cuellar, no hes not a natural right back, but he IS effective there, the defence is a unit and work well together, you dont start changing the best defence in the league because someone isnt a so called right back.hes a defender and defends amazingly. i am honestly baffled as to some reactions on here. Albarnista, you are just a tit and the bad thing about the internet is that it gives clowns like you a voice
pauled177
benny we have the best defence in the league, yet you moan about cuellar, no hes not a natural right back, but he IS effective there, the defence is a unit and work well together, you dont start changing the best defence in the league because someone isnt a so called right back.hes a defender and defends amazingly. i am honestly baffled as to some reactions on here. Albarnista, you are just a tit and the bad thing about the internet is that it gives clowns like you a voice
pauled177
MON is human, just like all the other managers in the league. I feel he has made some mistakes (heskey, sidwell) but overall, we are moving in the right direction. A draw against manchester united is no disgrace, and i fully expect us to kick on and fairly hammer burnley at home. I am however worried that downing isn't going to be the creative player we needed. He may be another that would actually be better in centre mid than on the wing. We need another ashley young on the other flank!
Ericols_Son
MON is human, just like all the other managers in the league. I feel he has made some mistakes (heskey, sidwell) but overall, we are moving in the right direction. A draw against manchester united is no disgrace, and i fully expect us to kick on and fairly hammer burnley at home. I am however worried that downing isn't going to be the creative player we needed. He may be another that would actually be better in centre mid than on the wing. We need another ashley young on the other flank!
Ericols_Son
Downings only been back between 2-3 months and had no pre season which is a massive reason why he doesnt look fully up to speed. We may have to wait till next season to fully see the best of him but more games will no doubt help him
pauled177
Downings only been back between 2-3 months and had no pre season which is a massive reason why he doesnt look fully up to speed. We may have to wait till next season to fully see the best of him but more games will no doubt help him
pauled177
I don't understand people saying who would we replace that rubbish manager MON with? I hear Albarnista and Benny have won the treble on football manager so an obvious replacement!! I for one am absolutely devastated that I have to go to wembley because of that damn MON, I'm sure I'm not alone....
AVNath
I don't understand people saying who would we replace that rubbish manager MON with? I hear Albarnista and Benny have won the treble on football manager so an obvious replacement!! I for one am absolutely devastated that I have to go to wembley because of that damn MON, I'm sure I'm not alone....
AVNath
a draw v one of the best teams in the world, what a sham!!!!!!!!!

RiF, re: 'frustrating' bit, MON was saying he thought we'd capitalise on them going down to 10 men etc.
The Fear
a draw v one of the best teams in the world, what a sham!!!!!!!!!

RiF, re: 'frustrating' bit, MON was saying he thought we'd capitalise on them going down to 10 men etc.
The Fear
Sorry Benny , was having a bad day , calling you a Bluenose was a bit over the top . ( Albarnista is though )
Doug4ever
Sorry Benny , was having a bad day , calling you a Bluenose was a bit over the top . ( Albarnista is though )
Doug4ever
Cheer's Doug, have a good un & UP THE VILLA:
benny003
Cheer's Doug, have a good un & UP THE VILLA:
benny003
pauled177, excellent defense mate you're quite right, but i still think cuellar is better off in the middle with dunne, and luke young on the right but hey maybe thats just me!!!
benny003
pauled177, excellent defense mate you're quite right, but i still think cuellar is better off in the middle with dunne, and luke young on the right but hey maybe thats just me!!!
benny003
Fear - do you mean Shame!!!!!!
I am frustrated cos we did not beat the manure as we all know we can. I count that as a good frustrated cos we now think we should win every match. I predict a great villa run in.
RiF
Fear - do you mean Shame!!!!!!
I am frustrated cos we did not beat the manure as we all know we can. I count that as a good frustrated cos we now think we should win every match. I predict a great villa run in.
RiF
a great Villa run in for sure - the lads WILL achieve this season, have no doubt about that UTV
Bangkok Villan
a great Villa run in for sure - the lads WILL achieve this season, have no doubt about that UTV
Bangkok Villan
 

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