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Villa Boss In Storm In A Tea Cup With Fan

The BBC reported after the game today v West Ham that there had been an argument between Martin O'Neill and some fans.

Another report said that there was half a dozen stewards around the dug-out at the end of the game.

OK, storm in a tea cup time.

I sit right by the bench on the front row, at the end of games there are always at least 4 or 5 stewards, the regular two who walk the refs off the pitch, a couple of more senior stewards then a few who line down from where I sit and onward to the tunnel.

No change at all happened today on that score.

There wasn't that major an incident, MON reacted to a comment by a fan or fans. Some were calling for a striker on, others to just make a substitution etc. I didn't hear any bad language but that isn't to say there wasn't any, I - and no one around me - heard any though.

MON did react and I think he was wrong unless something vile was said his way. His retort was 'that is why I stand here and you sit there you tw*t'.

Not really what I expect to hear and most especially not as there are ladies and young kids who also sit around by us. Then again, none of us are perfect at football all the time, should the managers be?

The worst filth I've heard was aimed at Graham Taylor the second time. He took dogs abuse, vile stuff and yet he stood stoically and ignored it. Tends to diffuse the situation in my opinion but it isn't always easy. John Gregory used to be good because he would join in with banter. David O'Leary was the worst. For the fact he was an awful bloke, he didn't take much in the way of vile abuse, more 'we aren't fickle, we just don't like you' stuff but he would always react and often go back for more. This isn't the first time MON has reacted. I called over today when he started to get really annoyed by whatever the comment was to just ignore it, he doesn't need to show people who heckle that they can get a rise out of him in my opinion (for what that is worth, which lets face it, isn't much!) but it was all over in less than a minute.

What worries me now is this might make the press - like MON's comments on the booing Gabby (when people weren't booing Gabby!) - and make us ALL look bad. I've not known such devout support for a manager before. I know a few times when I've uttered something about a match I've often had a good slap down because you are deemed to be criticising the manager, so I REALLY don't think there is a problem with the fans or the crowds at Villa Park. There are always going to be a minority who don't agree with any manager, should that matter to the man at the top - and that is what a manager is lets face it - we all have opinions on football, who we would buy, play, formations etc but only ONE person has THE opinion that counts.

Surely you have to be secure in that knowledge when you are the man in charge?

Football is a pressure game though and recently MON was saying most managers are only two games away from a crisis. The flipside surely is they are very well compensated for being managers? I'm not sure I would like the job but I'd certainly like a million or more a year in cold hard cash! So a storm in a tea cup and no more. MON did say after the game it wasn't a big issue and joked it was his brother he was having a go at. All I hope is this isn't now blown up by the press, it was a silly incident over quicker than a blink of an eye (if you blink your eyes very slowly!) and out of a crowd of more than 35 000, if 5 or 6 people are heckling, I'm not sure it is a major problem - unless they are heckling me, then grab the lifeboats and get me out of there..!

Hopefully this will be ignored by the nationals, if not it will again reflect badly on us and those who spend their money and go down to games don't deserve that in my very humble opinion. Could have been worse I guess, he could have called me a tw*t!


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The Journalist

Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday January 17 2010

Time: 8:33PM

Your Comments

did he really say 'that is why I stand here and you sit there you tw*t'.
meakers
did he really say 'that is why I stand here and you sit there you tw*t'.
meakers
feck me are some people that pure as the driven snow - it's a passionate game and MON did nowt wrong!
merlin
feck me are some people that pure as the driven snow - it's a passionate game and MON did nowt wrong!
merlin
Wonder if Fear will be quoted in the press tomorrow?
murph
Wonder if Fear will be quoted in the press tomorrow?
murph
Needs to buy a striker that can shoot then doesnt he. Job done
Raunds Villain
Needs to buy a striker that can shoot then doesnt he. Job done
Raunds Villain
I dont feel M'on should be reacting to fans shouts (if as you presumed they were not vile & just having there say), but I have to admit I have wanted to turn round & yell to the odd fan here & there to do one!!! Some ppl just seem to turn up to hate the villa or so it would seem & are very derogatory in there comments( you pay your money your entitled blah, blah ), but hopefully it is nothing as in what is a very passionate atmosphere sometimes the odd silly exchange can happen...we all want the same thing at the end of the day after all.....( rumour has it reo - coker was sitting in the crowd a few rows back...hhmm i wonder..lol)
marcobavfc
I dont feel M'on should be reacting to fans shouts (if as you presumed they were not vile & just having there say), but I have to admit I have wanted to turn round & yell to the odd fan here & there to do one!!! Some ppl just seem to turn up to hate the villa or so it would seem & are very derogatory in there comments( you pay your money your entitled blah, blah ), but hopefully it is nothing as in what is a very passionate atmosphere sometimes the odd silly exchange can happen...we all want the same thing at the end of the day after all.....( rumour has it reo - coker was sitting in the crowd a few rows back...hhmm i wonder..lol)
marcobavfc
Fancy calling someone a Twit
trekker
Fancy calling someone a Twit
trekker
Passion manifests itself in numerous guises. No one can deny that MoN is passionate about his football. I just hope when he's sitting at home tonight having a drink before bedtime, that he reflects on what was said and he thinks "hmmmm, maybe we do need a striker!"
godzvilla
Passion manifests itself in numerous guises. No one can deny that MoN is passionate about his football. I just hope when he's sitting at home tonight having a drink before bedtime, that he reflects on what was said and he thinks "hmmmm, maybe we do need a striker!"
godzvilla
I KNOW WHAT WAS SAID TO MON !!!!!!!! I was one row behind the fan who he spoke to and this was what happened, Throughout the whole game this one fan around late 30's I would say did nothing but abuse MON the whole game one reason because carlos was having a ***** game and he constantly shouted in abusive language to use a full back instead and I was sitting next to a 7 yr old kid and the guy was one row in front of me. Just before the whistle blew, MON turned around and said what he said I not gonna go into what he said but I stood up an applauded MON for saying it because the guy was beyond a joke, for a guy his age he should have more respect because if I was standing were MON was I would leave taking abuse like that. I tell you what the guy was quick to shut up when MON said what he said because he went total silent. I wish MON would read this because he gets my respect for it!!!!
MLISMORE98542
I KNOW WHAT WAS SAID TO MON !!!!!!!! I was one row behind the fan who he spoke to and this was what happened, Throughout the whole game this one fan around late 30's I would say did nothing but abuse MON the whole game one reason because carlos was having a ***** game and he constantly shouted in abusive language to use a full back instead and I was sitting next to a 7 yr old kid and the guy was one row in front of me. Just before the whistle blew, MON turned around and said what he said I not gonna go into what he said but I stood up an applauded MON for saying it because the guy was beyond a joke, for a guy his age he should have more respect because if I was standing were MON was I would leave taking abuse like that. I tell you what the guy was quick to shut up when MON said what he said because he went total silent. I wish MON would read this because he gets my respect for it!!!!
MLISMORE98542
And he did not say 'that is why I stand here and you sit there you tw*t"
MLISMORE98542
And he did not say 'that is why I stand here and you sit there you tw*t"
MLISMORE98542
JG could always give as good as as he took, so was he a T*at or T*it?
Lost_In_Ca
JG could always give as good as as he took, so was he a T*at or T*it?
Lost_In_Ca
Stupid run on sentence. JG could always give as good as as he took. So was he a T*at or T*it?
Lost_In_Ca
Stupid run on sentence. JG could always give as good as as he took. So was he a T*at or T*it?
Lost_In_Ca
yea, you cant come on and say fear has mis-quoted and then not put forth your version of what was said...I am amzed MON has insulted the guy...If this is true its bordering gross misconduct and he should be punished....I dont care what the guy has said, there are other ways to deal with it...Lets face it, someone needs to tell him we need a proper striker and he would be better served if he used a full back to play full back
Euro_Champs_82
yea, you cant come on and say fear has mis-quoted and then not put forth your version of what was said...I am amzed MON has insulted the guy...If this is true its bordering gross misconduct and he should be punished....I dont care what the guy has said, there are other ways to deal with it...Lets face it, someone needs to tell him we need a proper striker and he would be better served if he used a full back to play full back
Euro_Champs_82
I give it until the end of the season before our idiotic fans drive MON out of the club. A few boos ringing out again yesterday. 17 attempts and 10 on target, on another day we wouldve coasted to victory, its just one of those days you get in football. We havent got the 20+ goal a season striker that the top 4 clubs have, and they are rediculously hard to come by, thats the only thing preventing us getting top 4. Gabby is great and full of enthusiasm but he just isnt a good enough goal scorer to take us up to the next level
pauled177
I give it until the end of the season before our idiotic fans drive MON out of the club. A few boos ringing out again yesterday. 17 attempts and 10 on target, on another day we wouldve coasted to victory, its just one of those days you get in football. We havent got the 20+ goal a season striker that the top 4 clubs have, and they are rediculously hard to come by, thats the only thing preventing us getting top 4. Gabby is great and full of enthusiasm but he just isnt a good enough goal scorer to take us up to the next level
pauled177
Gabby should have put at least one of the three chances he had presented to him yesterday, its just one of those things on another day he would have a hat-trick and no-one would have shouted anything at MON. Its abit off that he shouted that but I guess he was just as frustrated as the fan was. I think he needs to give Delfouneso a chance soon, we rely on Gabby too much for goals at times and I just don't think he is an out and out goalscorer.
young_jonah
Gabby should have put at least one of the three chances he had presented to him yesterday, its just one of those things on another day he would have a hat-trick and no-one would have shouted anything at MON. Its abit off that he shouted that but I guess he was just as frustrated as the fan was. I think he needs to give Delfouneso a chance soon, we rely on Gabby too much for goals at times and I just don't think he is an out and out goalscorer.
young_jonah
To be honest, as frustrating as Sunday was, it is laughable to berate Oneill. We were a total shambles and embarressment of a club 4 seasons ago until he came in. Fair play to Oneill for his comments, and the 'T' word is as mild as it comes at a football came isnt it? I bet his comments shut the so called 'fan' right up and made him look proper silly. We just dont need people like that attending games. If he was sitting next to me he would have felt my elbow in the side of his ribs to be honest.
Stig
To be honest, as frustrating as Sunday was, it is laughable to berate Oneill. We were a total shambles and embarressment of a club 4 seasons ago until he came in. Fair play to Oneill for his comments, and the 'T' word is as mild as it comes at a football came isnt it? I bet his comments shut the so called 'fan' right up and made him look proper silly. We just dont need people like that attending games. If he was sitting next to me he would have felt my elbow in the side of his ribs to be honest.
Stig
And 20+ a season strikers are out there, but they cost 25m +. I am still not convinced oneill would spend that on one player.
Stig
And 20+ a season strikers are out there, but they cost 25m +. I am still not convinced oneill would spend that on one player.
Stig
Stig, you would have elbowed someone who shouted "make a substitution Martin", do you not think you would be over-reacting? I have shouted worse than that at a game, perhaps I am not a real 'fan'?
young_jonah
Stig, you would have elbowed someone who shouted "make a substitution Martin", do you not think you would be over-reacting? I have shouted worse than that at a game, perhaps I am not a real 'fan'?
young_jonah
MLISMORE98542, if there is someone being abusive (we couldn't hear any abuse but you were obviously closer) then don't forget there are stewards around, tip them the wink and they can easily remove them for foul language etc. AND YES HE DID say that. I am right by him I am not one to make these things up and we all heard him say exactly that. So please refrain from telling me and the people around me that we are lying. Do you really think I'd put that down in print? The article is balanced and says about passion etc but that is exactly what was said and it sounds like he had a bloody good point if the person was being abusive all game.
The Fear
MLISMORE98542, if there is someone being abusive (we couldn't hear any abuse but you were obviously closer) then don't forget there are stewards around, tip them the wink and they can easily remove them for foul language etc. AND YES HE DID say that. I am right by him I am not one to make these things up and we all heard him say exactly that. So please refrain from telling me and the people around me that we are lying. Do you really think I'd put that down in print? The article is balanced and says about passion etc but that is exactly what was said and it sounds like he had a bloody good point if the person was being abusive all game.
The Fear
By idiotiic fans I assume you mean the minority pauled177 because most sing his name each game and most support him very well, far better than most managers. You see again the minority get the majority a bad name.
The Fear
By idiotiic fans I assume you mean the minority pauled177 because most sing his name each game and most support him very well, far better than most managers. You see again the minority get the majority a bad name.
The Fear
oh and back on the stewards point, MON was also saying something about 'you won't be here' a few times so maybe a steward in plain clothes will go there for a few games to listen and eject whoever it was. As said, us fans do owe the club the decency to point out people being over abusive, especially as there are kids and ladies in that section as well. No problem making your point about subs etc (if you really must!!!!) but no need to be effing at managers, especially ones who have us in the top six and with one foot towards wembley no matter how frustrating a game it is.
The Fear
oh and back on the stewards point, MON was also saying something about 'you won't be here' a few times so maybe a steward in plain clothes will go there for a few games to listen and eject whoever it was. As said, us fans do owe the club the decency to point out people being over abusive, especially as there are kids and ladies in that section as well. No problem making your point about subs etc (if you really must!!!!) but no need to be effing at managers, especially ones who have us in the top six and with one foot towards wembley no matter how frustrating a game it is.
The Fear
By idiotic fans fear i mean the "fans" who are overly critical and get on the backs of he manager and players, obviously the fans who support the manager and players will not push MON out of the club. The vast majority of our fans are tremendous, the 5.5k at bburn thursday were magnificent as are the fans that go away. Its just the mindless idiots in the minority at VP that seem to get the most recognition these days
pauled177
By idiotic fans fear i mean the "fans" who are overly critical and get on the backs of he manager and players, obviously the fans who support the manager and players will not push MON out of the club. The vast majority of our fans are tremendous, the 5.5k at bburn thursday were magnificent as are the fans that go away. Its just the mindless idiots in the minority at VP that seem to get the most recognition these days
pauled177
eeeeeeerrrrrrrm. When did I say to someone ''your not a real fan'' Young Jonah? I said we dont need fans like him there. And if there is a p*ssed up idiot sitting next to me dishing out uneccarsarry abuse, then yeah, they deserve whatever is coming to them.
Stig
eeeeeeerrrrrrrm. When did I say to someone ''your not a real fan'' Young Jonah? I said we dont need fans like him there. And if there is a p*ssed up idiot sitting next to me dishing out uneccarsarry abuse, then yeah, they deserve whatever is coming to them.
Stig
.....and before you start jibbing about ''they deserve whatever is coming to them'', that could mean literally anything from being told to shut up and sit down, to advising a steward, maybe a sneak hug, I might just tig him and run away, I might balance a crisp on his shoulder for the craic and laugh about it with all around me, I might berrate him myself if his tone, aggression, language used is foul and offensive - who knows. But I do also believe that if someone is being totally out of order then sometimes they deserve just being put on their a.rse by who ever that may be.
Stig
.....and before you start jibbing about ''they deserve whatever is coming to them'', that could mean literally anything from being told to shut up and sit down, to advising a steward, maybe a sneak hug, I might just tig him and run away, I might balance a crisp on his shoulder for the craic and laugh about it with all around me, I might berrate him myself if his tone, aggression, language used is foul and offensive - who knows. But I do also believe that if someone is being totally out of order then sometimes they deserve just being put on their a.rse by who ever that may be.
Stig
Instead of responding to a bloke in the crowd by dismissing him as a "tw*t" maybe MON would be better served explaining to the rest of us why he persists in playing players out of position and why others like NRC aren't in the team then suddenly are captain and then out of the team again. There are a number of vehicles he can use including the programme, the official site and sites like this. Whilst his is the only opinion that matters at present, many of us were here long before him and will be here long after him
AVbornandbred
Instead of responding to a bloke in the crowd by dismissing him as a "tw*t" maybe MON would be better served explaining to the rest of us why he persists in playing players out of position and why others like NRC aren't in the team then suddenly are captain and then out of the team again. There are a number of vehicles he can use including the programme, the official site and sites like this. Whilst his is the only opinion that matters at present, many of us were here long before him and will be here long after him
AVbornandbred
Now I know where you sit, Fear, I know where to aim my pea shooter.
chocolate teapot
Now I know where you sit, Fear, I know where to aim my pea shooter.
chocolate teapot
Yup, with you pauled177. To be fair there is very little heckling around by the manager, you get the odd frustration but no more really than what the bench, coaches and MON are feeling. MON doesn't half take it out of his lucozade bottle at times and also the 4th official/ref aren't immune to the odd blast...! I have with previous managers certainly heard worse. I always think that when you respond to the numpties you really give the numpties license to start doing it all the more because they know they'll get a rise from them HOWEVER I do also understand it is difficult not to respond if someone is being as abusive as MLISMORE98542 above says. If you give it out, you've got to take it also. Still think someone could have had a word with the stewards and surprised the stewards didn't start looking and listening as they usually do. The one that sits right near me by the dugout is very good and there are usually a few behind as well who respond and tell people to calm down if they are out of order.
The Fear
Yup, with you pauled177. To be fair there is very little heckling around by the manager, you get the odd frustration but no more really than what the bench, coaches and MON are feeling. MON doesn't half take it out of his lucozade bottle at times and also the 4th official/ref aren't immune to the odd blast...! I have with previous managers certainly heard worse. I always think that when you respond to the numpties you really give the numpties license to start doing it all the more because they know they'll get a rise from them HOWEVER I do also understand it is difficult not to respond if someone is being as abusive as MLISMORE98542 above says. If you give it out, you've got to take it also. Still think someone could have had a word with the stewards and surprised the stewards didn't start looking and listening as they usually do. The one that sits right near me by the dugout is very good and there are usually a few behind as well who respond and tell people to calm down if they are out of order.
The Fear
I'll look forward to that chocolate teapot, look out for the bald bonce and go for it! Got hit by a pound the season before last, it didn't half bloody hurt, luckily only hit my leg. Thought God had sent it me to put on the lottery and become a millionaire, sadly there was some confusion in communication and the numbers didn't match what was drawn! :o)))
The Fear
I'll look forward to that chocolate teapot, look out for the bald bonce and go for it! Got hit by a pound the season before last, it didn't half bloody hurt, luckily only hit my leg. Thought God had sent it me to put on the lottery and become a millionaire, sadly there was some confusion in communication and the numbers didn't match what was drawn! :o)))
The Fear
I was hammering the hoardings further down towards the tunnel on Sunday Mr Fear. Was that you hammering them up by the dugout????
Stig
I was hammering the hoardings further down towards the tunnel on Sunday Mr Fear. Was that you hammering them up by the dugout????
Stig
Stig, thats him the hooligan he is.....:) To embarrass the Fear, he is so devoted to our club that he attends when many others wouldnt, despite the weight of his wallet making it difficult to do so....
trekker
Stig, thats him the hooligan he is.....:) To embarrass the Fear, he is so devoted to our club that he attends when many others wouldnt, despite the weight of his wallet making it difficult to do so....
trekker
that was me stig, I try not to but can't help myself basically! Love the place where I sit, good people around and so interesting watching the managers interaction etc!

LOL Trekker, he knows me so well. It is all the 2p and 5p's that weigh me down! lol
The Fear
that was me stig, I try not to but can't help myself basically! Love the place where I sit, good people around and so interesting watching the managers interaction etc!

LOL Trekker, he knows me so well. It is all the 2p and 5p's that weigh me down! lol
The Fear
Had it confirmed that there appear to be a pair, the same ones that have a go at every manager since BL apparently. About time they were moved on then because judging by a report in the Daily Mail today, they are bringing all of us into disrepute.
The Fear
Had it confirmed that there appear to be a pair, the same ones that have a go at every manager since BL apparently. About time they were moved on then because judging by a report in the Daily Mail today, they are bringing all of us into disrepute.
The Fear
It was all the choclates that the ladies behind you weighed you down Fear. This incident made it into the Daily Mail report today, so the nationals did pick up on it then.
leerj0
It was all the choclates that the ladies behind you weighed you down Fear. This incident made it into the Daily Mail report today, so the nationals did pick up on it then.
leerj0
yeah, had an accident with the spare chocies as well leerj, they were meant for bailey but somehow unwrapped themselves and fell in my mouth. Talk about a freak incident! Yeah, read the Daily Mail, shame because they imply there are a lot behind the dug out and it isn't true, there aren't, most of us are all good honest fans. Hey ho!
The Fear
yeah, had an accident with the spare chocies as well leerj, they were meant for bailey but somehow unwrapped themselves and fell in my mouth. Talk about a freak incident! Yeah, read the Daily Mail, shame because they imply there are a lot behind the dug out and it isn't true, there aren't, most of us are all good honest fans. Hey ho!
The Fear
 

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