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Villa Transfer Talk - Ex England Striker Linked

A new decade, same old rumours?!?! lol

The Daily Mail today link us with Stoke City striker James Beattie a player we have been linked with numerous times over the years at different stages of his career.

Now I must admit, I'm not totally sure I believe this link BUT we do need another striker, this might not be the marquee signing we'd all like but do any of us really think a top class 20 or more a season striker will be available to Villa (or anyone else for that matter) in the middle of the season? Certainly none of our closest rivals will be selling their best fire power to us.

So Beattie? Well, he has better application and a greater attitude as far as I can see (despite the argument with Stoke boss Tony Pulis recently) than the 1 in 10 attitude of John Carew. Only a personal opinion, I know for some JC is THE striker for us, funny old game and we all see things differently I guess!

His career: Click Here for Wiki started as a youth at Blackburn before moving to Southampton (98/04) where he had a 1 in 3 goal scoring rate - a rate that earnt him a move to Everton where he scored 13 in 76 games (1 in 5.8). That 'flop' saw him move to Sheffield United where he sparkled with a better than 1 in 2 goal ration between 07 and 09 before moving to Stoke where he has scored 9 goals in 34 appearances.

Does that show he'd be a decent body for us with maybe one more attempt at the 'big' time worth a go or does it suggest Sheff United was more the level where he is at now? Question with no answers I'm afraid.

The signing wouldn't exactly have me on the edge of the seat but in some ways, if nothing bigger and better is available, that would make sense as we need options, if we get an injury to Emile Heskey or JC we have to rely (over rely?) on Gabby Agbonlahor who at this stage of his career does still seem to go through long lean spells which obviously we can't afford to suffer if we truly do want to push on.

Beattie good enough? To help for the top six, maybe, just maybe. To push into the top four? Doubt it.

The report says that 31-year-old Beattie might go for as little as 2.5million and that Stoke would go for Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones, another player recently linked to Villa. The reporter Simon Jones also points out that Beattie has a habit of making a quick impact at new clubs.

The Daily Mail also claim that despite interest from Liverpool, Fulham, Wigan, Chelsea and Sunderland, MON will keep hold of Emile Heskey unless an 'irresistible offer' comes in.

Heskey Back Of Shirt

We asked, following early paper reports linking Heskey to Liverpool, in a poll on 23 Dec 2009, would you sell Heskey in January. The results:

Under no circumstances no 53%
Only if replaced with Robbie Keane 29%
Only if replaced with Carlton Cole 7%
Yes, replacement or not 5%
Yes and give Fonz a chance 3%
Unsure 3%

(It was pointed out I should have had another option 'only if replaced by a.n.other' but hey ho, I didn't!)

Meanwhile another report links Villa, Liverpool and Benfica with 'one for the future' 16-year-old Slovenian U21 goalie Jan Oblak at around 2million euros.

Finally, Nicky Shorey and Isaiah Osbourne have seen their loan spells at Forest and Middlesbrough respectively extended: Villa Loan Activity

Meanwhile I'm told that Chelsea striker Didier Drogba has had enough of life in London and due to his major interest in roads and motorways, fancies a move to Villa so he can push us into the Champions League and also study Spaghetti Junction more closely.

(The last item may or may not be true. Actually, the last item may not be true at all so the 'may be true' part of this warning is in fact, not true) :o)




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The Journalist

Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday January 1 2010

Time: 11:47AM

Your Comments

yes or no then? Short term fix maybe?
The Fear
yes or no then? Short term fix maybe?
The Fear
Sign him up. Price is low and won't have huge wage demands so not gonna hurt to make him an option to the strikers.
JayVFC
Sign him up. Price is low and won't have huge wage demands so not gonna hurt to make him an option to the strikers.
JayVFC
they want 2.5m to go towards k.jones, why dont we pay an extra 2.5m and get jones? twice as good...
Tr1dent
they want 2.5m to go towards k.jones, why dont we pay an extra 2.5m and get jones? twice as good...
Tr1dent
No no no and once more . . . . . no. This is the sort of signing that has made us such an average club. We are on the verge of something big at the Villa. And for the best will in the world the something big is not a Ferrari driving playboy whose best years left his legs about 6 or 7 years ago. If he is can't start and score regularly for Stoke, then why in Gods name is he good enough for us??
voiceoftheholte
No no no and once more . . . . . no. This is the sort of signing that has made us such an average club. We are on the verge of something big at the Villa. And for the best will in the world the something big is not a Ferrari driving playboy whose best years left his legs about 6 or 7 years ago. If he is can't start and score regularly for Stoke, then why in Gods name is he good enough for us??
voiceoftheholte
Trident. Jones is a combination of Heskey and Carew. Big, strong, inconsistent, injury prone and does nort score enough goals. Why would you set your sights so low??
voiceoftheholte
Trident. Jones is a combination of Heskey and Carew. Big, strong, inconsistent, injury prone and does nort score enough goals. Why would you set your sights so low??
voiceoftheholte
Beattie in the Villa team could be very different to Beattie at Stoke. This wouldn't be a huge signing by any means but he is available and wouldn't be the worst cover we've ever had.
JayVFC
Beattie in the Villa team could be very different to Beattie at Stoke. This wouldn't be a huge signing by any means but he is available and wouldn't be the worst cover we've ever had.
JayVFC
And I'm taking your word on the Drogba rumour Fear.
JayVFC
And I'm taking your word on the Drogba rumour Fear.
JayVFC
don't know that much about Jones but if we are going for a striker from Sunderland then I'd be annoyed we are going for the second best when we could have gone for Bent in the summer. All just press talk though so not annoyed unless it happened!

The Drogba link is 100% true according to the voices in my head JayVFC, not worse a source than what many press guys use!!!!!!!!!!
The Fear
I can't disagree more strongly Jay. We do not need cover. Heskey, Carew are already 'cover'. What we need is an out and out goal machine. And Beattie is certainly not that. I can not believe as a Villa fan you are happy to set your sights so low!!! Do you honestly believe a Stoke squad player is good enough to take Villa to the next level?? He is a Championship player at best. With wages and transfer fee he would cost us about 8 million over two years and have absolutely no resale value. If you think that represents the future of Aston Villa then I despair. If anybody can show a rational argument for Beattie in a Villa shirt then I wll eat my hat and start playing dominoes for a living.
voiceoftheholte
I can't disagree more strongly Jay. We do not need cover. Heskey, Carew are already 'cover'. What we need is an out and out goal machine. And Beattie is certainly not that. I can not believe as a Villa fan you are happy to set your sights so low!!! Do you honestly believe a Stoke squad player is good enough to take Villa to the next level?? He is a Championship player at best. With wages and transfer fee he would cost us about 8 million over two years and have absolutely no resale value. If you think that represents the future of Aston Villa then I despair. If anybody can show a rational argument for Beattie in a Villa shirt then I wll eat my hat and start playing dominoes for a living.
voiceoftheholte
don't know that much about Jones but if we are going for a striker from Sunderland then I'd be annoyed we are going for the second best when we could have gone for Bent in the summer. All just press talk though so not annoyed unless it happened!

The Drogba link is 100% true according to the voices in my head JayVFC, not worse a source than what many press guys use!!!!!!!!!!
The Fear
Is that quality available in January though voice? Awful transfer window quite often as not many are available and if they are they go at a premium + no one around us will sell to us surely? Heskey and Carew (not a criticism this either folks!) are injury prone as a lot of big guys are. hey, who knows, it isn't a signing that would dazzle but then again, it is only (at the moment) press talk anyway!
The Fear
Is that quality available in January though voice? Awful transfer window quite often as not many are available and if they are they go at a premium + no one around us will sell to us surely? Heskey and Carew (not a criticism this either folks!) are injury prone as a lot of big guys are. hey, who knows, it isn't a signing that would dazzle but then again, it is only (at the moment) press talk anyway!
The Fear
So you would agree to spending 8 million in wages and transfer fees for Beattie??? You beginning to sound like Old Man Ellis!! I wouldn't have him if he was free personally.
voiceoftheholte
So you would agree to spending 8 million in wages and transfer fees for Beattie??? You beginning to sound like Old Man Ellis!! I wouldn't have him if he was free personally.
voiceoftheholte
that has got to be the worst thing you've ever said to me... and there was me going to look for you to buy you a pint next time at the addies... will be a bloody water now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair, my job is to get debate going and to report what is being said. Personally if van Nistelrooy or any other quality was about and we missed out in Jan, I'd be gutted. Was when we didn't get Defoe from Spurs first time and was shocked we didn't get Bent this summer as his goals and finishing I think would see us around 2nd now BUT as I don't really rate JC because of his work rate, times he goes missing and injury record, I do also think we need cover and the Fonz isn't ready yet apart from cameo roles as a sub. Right, I'm going to go off in a huff now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Fear
that has got to be the worst thing you've ever said to me... and there was me going to look for you to buy you a pint next time at the addies... will be a bloody water now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair, my job is to get debate going and to report what is being said. Personally if van Nistelrooy or any other quality was about and we missed out in Jan, I'd be gutted. Was when we didn't get Defoe from Spurs first time and was shocked we didn't get Bent this summer as his goals and finishing I think would see us around 2nd now BUT as I don't really rate JC because of his work rate, times he goes missing and injury record, I do also think we need cover and the Fonz isn't ready yet apart from cameo roles as a sub. Right, I'm going to go off in a huff now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Fear
Beattie = Harewood2
Madirish
Beattie = Harewood2
Madirish
Beattie!!!!Arrogant, past his best & that was'nt that good, were linked with him years back...Cant get in Stoke's team & do not think he will automatically score cause he plays for the Villa as we create no more than anyone alse with the long ball rubbish we produce...Absolutely no sell on value whatsoever, and purely cause not much is available in Jan does not make it a reasonable signing...did we not get carew & young in Jan before....who says there is jo one out there? and if there isnt I would rather hand the fonz a 10 game run & see what he can do,(do not think he's ready)but whats the point of the great academy if we never try them? and if he's rubbish he can go an all...Fear I hear what your sayin about bent & agree should of got him in the summer, but did'nt, so to except beattie over that reason seems madness & a little bit of cut off your nose to spite your face!!!except Beattie over jones surely,bent cant get all these goals wiyhout help from a team & partner..at least he is of an age where he can improve, and has shown he can handle the prem, & if all else fails we could still flog him on for some re-sale value...& im not saying he is the man we need either, but would prefer...I kind of hear what people are saying over why we should get beattie & contemplated it myself...then realised how stupuid that would be woke up & wrote this little piece ; - )..
marcobavfc
Beattie!!!!Arrogant, past his best & that was'nt that good, were linked with him years back...Cant get in Stoke's team & do not think he will automatically score cause he plays for the Villa as we create no more than anyone alse with the long ball rubbish we produce...Absolutely no sell on value whatsoever, and purely cause not much is available in Jan does not make it a reasonable signing...did we not get carew & young in Jan before....who says there is jo one out there? and if there isnt I would rather hand the fonz a 10 game run & see what he can do,(do not think he's ready)but whats the point of the great academy if we never try them? and if he's rubbish he can go an all...Fear I hear what your sayin about bent & agree should of got him in the summer, but did'nt, so to except beattie over that reason seems madness & a little bit of cut off your nose to spite your face!!!except Beattie over jones surely,bent cant get all these goals wiyhout help from a team & partner..at least he is of an age where he can improve, and has shown he can handle the prem, & if all else fails we could still flog him on for some re-sale value...& im not saying he is the man we need either, but would prefer...I kind of hear what people are saying over why we should get beattie & contemplated it myself...then realised how stupuid that would be woke up & wrote this little piece ; - )..
marcobavfc
P.S hopefully mart can stop this debate immediately & go n get us old Ruud van horse face!!!!
marcobavfc
P.S hopefully mart can stop this debate immediately & go n get us old Ruud van horse face!!!!
marcobavfc
beattie is not the answer would rather have marlon back!!! had the right attitude just didnt have the cutting edge, ruud wud be gud wud get us 10-12 goals but really dont see that happenin i mean warm spain for freezing b`ham at the tail end of his career hmm prob not but we can dream
smgavfc
beattie is not the answer would rather have marlon back!!! had the right attitude just didnt have the cutting edge, ruud wud be gud wud get us 10-12 goals but really dont see that happenin i mean warm spain for freezing b`ham at the tail end of his career hmm prob not but we can dream
smgavfc
Voiceoftheholte: This is what I just put in the forum: I think people are misunderstanding of what this 'signing' would be. I doubt MON would view him as the way forward at all. Think more Andy Marshall than Stewart Downing. Obviously not to such an extreme but Gabby/Heskey is looking his first choice with Carew/Beattie/Delfouneseo being thrown into the mix to keep competition up. At the end of the day it would only be 2.5m so it's hardly a massive outlay and for that price it's no major gamble. But... I'll believe it when I see it.
JayVFC
Voiceoftheholte: This is what I just put in the forum: I think people are misunderstanding of what this 'signing' would be. I doubt MON would view him as the way forward at all. Think more Andy Marshall than Stewart Downing. Obviously not to such an extreme but Gabby/Heskey is looking his first choice with Carew/Beattie/Delfouneseo being thrown into the mix to keep competition up. At the end of the day it would only be 2.5m so it's hardly a massive outlay and for that price it's no major gamble. But... I'll believe it when I see it.
JayVFC
At least that's the way I see it. Couldn't imagine Beattie being anything other. If I thought he was being signed as a first XI player then I would feel the same as you without doubt.
JayVFC
At least that's the way I see it. Couldn't imagine Beattie being anything other. If I thought he was being signed as a first XI player then I would feel the same as you without doubt.
JayVFC
Apparantly, we're after portsmouth's kanu... lol
FootyFans
Apparantly, we're after portsmouth's kanu... lol
FootyFans
Forget Beattie. He's crap. end of
Raunds Villain
Forget Beattie. He's crap. end of
Raunds Villain
I'd even rather use our midfield strenghs & revert to a 4-5-1 for the remainder of the season should injuries form or tiredness kick in...them buy the right player in the summer that would make the difference & continue the fine re-building job that is going on!!!!!
marcobavfc
I'd even rather use our midfield strenghs & revert to a 4-5-1 for the remainder of the season should injuries form or tiredness kick in...them buy the right player in the summer that would make the difference & continue the fine re-building job that is going on!!!!!
marcobavfc
jay do you only see the transfer fee?? 2.5/3 million in transfer fee. .5 million signing on fee, VAT, agents money and 3 or 4 million in wages over 2 years represents an outlay in excess of 8 million, with absolutely no resale value at all. You may have a career at Lehmann Brothers or Bank of Scotland . . . . . . or are you already working there and have been providing them with financial advice over the last few years?? If Beattie was a car he would be an old Vauxhall Astra. If we are buying old I want an Aston Martin (Van Nistleroy).
voiceoftheholte
jay do you only see the transfer fee?? 2.5/3 million in transfer fee. .5 million signing on fee, VAT, agents money and 3 or 4 million in wages over 2 years represents an outlay in excess of 8 million, with absolutely no resale value at all. You may have a career at Lehmann Brothers or Bank of Scotland . . . . . . or are you already working there and have been providing them with financial advice over the last few years?? If Beattie was a car he would be an old Vauxhall Astra. If we are buying old I want an Aston Martin (Van Nistleroy).
voiceoftheholte
Agents and signing on fees as well as VAT and wages have to be paid in all transfers so it's relative. I'm hardly crying out for us to sign him and would definatley be happier with Van Nistelrooy, but this wouldn't be the end of the world if it was to happen.
JayVFC
Agents and signing on fees as well as VAT and wages have to be paid in all transfers so it's relative. I'm hardly crying out for us to sign him and would definatley be happier with Van Nistelrooy, but this wouldn't be the end of the world if it was to happen.
JayVFC
Don't claim to be an expert in the finer details of transfer fees by the way.
JayVFC
Don't claim to be an expert in the finer details of transfer fees by the way.
JayVFC
We should take beattie on-loan if no-one else is available.
claretandbluearmy
We should take beattie on-loan if no-one else is available.
claretandbluearmy
come on! how awesome are our strikers gonna be! Heskey and Beattie on the same side! WOW, I bet Brad friedel will be villa top scorer this year!
Astriel
come on! how awesome are our strikers gonna be! Heskey and Beattie on the same side! WOW, I bet Brad friedel will be villa top scorer this year!
Astriel
We talk about ambition of top 4 then say beattie would not be a bad squad option for the remainder of the season.....if that is the best on offer in January then I'd rather we didnt bother...no improvement on what we've got and do you reckon city spurs l'pool & arsenal fans would welcome this as a signing!!!
marcobavfc
We talk about ambition of top 4 then say beattie would not be a bad squad option for the remainder of the season.....if that is the best on offer in January then I'd rather we didnt bother...no improvement on what we've got and do you reckon city spurs l'pool & arsenal fans would welcome this as a signing!!!
marcobavfc
Surely it's just paper talk.
FootyFans
Surely it's just paper talk.
FootyFans
He's not the kind of striker we need to push on for a top 4 or even top 6 finish, but our 'cover' - Carew and Heskey - are usually crocked and/or indifferent when they play anyway. So maybe a loan deal as additional cover might be a smart move. As for anyone else being available, I doubt it in the Prem, but what about abroad ? Shouldn't we be looking to the rest of Europe more often anyway ?
ExpatVillaShirt
He's not the kind of striker we need to push on for a top 4 or even top 6 finish, but our 'cover' - Carew and Heskey - are usually crocked and/or indifferent when they play anyway. So maybe a loan deal as additional cover might be a smart move. As for anyone else being available, I doubt it in the Prem, but what about abroad ? Shouldn't we be looking to the rest of Europe more often anyway ?
ExpatVillaShirt
 

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