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Can MON Take Villa Forward - Pt 2

Following on from an interesting debate in the forum: Click Here and an article by JayVFC also in answer to the theme: Can we go forward with MON (Click Here) we have had the following post by donegalvillan in answer to the one quoted part:

'...he [DOL]took over a club that was an average top5 finish'

That's true about the club in it's Premier League history. However, the stat hides the fact that under O'Leary we were sliding. We were in freefall and sinking fast. O'Leary's first season was impressive, though. We actually weren't too far away from that fourth spot, too.



What we are failing to see, however, is that O'Leary's side that year was full of quick fixes. He certainly didn't rate our football club and he saw it as a stepping stone to what he viewed as bigger and better things -all you had to do was listen to his interviews. He constantly belittled the club in the press. After that initial first season he sold the likes of Crouch at a loss and gave us a squad full of players for the future like McCann and Phillips. There was no sense that he had invested into the idea of rebuilding the club and making it something. Poor leadership and zero vision.

What followed that great sixth place was a steadying downward spiral of league finishes and by his third year we were heading towards the trap door. With O'Neill we are getting the exact opposite.

Now there are various factors we can acknowledge: O'Leary had the misfortune to work with Doug for one, but even so, as a manager and leader he didn't handle himself very well in this situation. By the time he left us he had lost the dressing room and the Chairman. In the same position I believe O'Neill would have still succeeded - he would then have marched off into the sunset, moving on to a job with more potential than the Ellis-era Villa.



The stat about our average fifth place finish is impressive to most fans of most clubs. In that time frame we have managed to win two league cups, too. The stats do hide our yo-yoing as a club, though, and the boom and bust cycles of the Ellis years. We were not a stable, well run club. We were a club operating in fits and starts with absolutely no consistently effective leadership or direction.

With O'Neill (and RL) we have a leader and we have direction, we have drive, experience and a winning mentality pushing us on. We haven't had that in years and years and years. At the moment we can't see the wood for the trees...with patience, O'Neill will get us there. The stat of a fifth place average finish is good for most clubs but, for me, it's not good enough for Aston Villa F.C.. Prior to Ellis's arrival in '83 we were SECOND in the all-time honours list. Going back to 1978 we were FIRST in terms of trophies won by all English clubs. Top of the pile. As an institution we have undeniably been in decline for decades.

Stick with O'Neill, and it will be far, far better. He is the kind of leader who can genuinely turn the whole institution around. A very rare breed. I'm not talking about quick fixes, I'm talking eras of success. The likes of O'Leary simply haven't the substance and nous to even realise that such a thing is possible - it's a trait of the truly ambitious. To get our club back up there as a genuine, long-term powerhouse playing great football just cannot be achieved overnight. The manager has to prioritise what he wants and when it actually happens. It's a balancing act that requires no end of skill and judgement.

Restoring Aston Villa is a big, big, long term job that involves masses of conviction and strategy. Three and half years in and it is steadily taking shape. I can see it, although, like the rest of us, that Spurs match had me squirming. We need perspective - there'll be plenty more awful performances on the road to greatness (!) Our part of the bargain is patience, patience, patience: all good things come to those who wait...

As I keep saying, O'Neill is a proven winner, he's intelligent and he knows what he is doing. The quality of the footy will improve as the quality of playing staff improves, all things being equal.


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Date:Wednesday December 2 2009

Time: 5:47PM

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Some good debate going on at the moment, loving it.
The Fear
Some good debate going on at the moment, loving it.
The Fear
Thanks to mackaavfc for pointing the post out to be front paged by the way!
The Fear
Thanks to mackaavfc for pointing the post out to be front paged by the way!
The Fear
Im happy enough, are the rest just fickle?
Stourbridge Villan
Im happy enough, are the rest just fickle?
Stourbridge Villan
From your next opponents: O'Neill is top notch, no question. I also see you've drawn 4/6 previous PL games 1-1. About time we got sth from the Villa so 1-1 Saturday would be welcome... Cheers!
tigercity
From your next opponents: O'Neill is top notch, no question. I also see you've drawn 4/6 previous PL games 1-1. About time we got sth from the Villa so 1-1 Saturday would be welcome... Cheers!
tigercity
Front page! Thanks Macka and Mr. Fear. What Tigercity says here is exactly it: we can't see the wood for the trees. We've got a setup at the moment that is so close to getting there. People outside the club - on the whole - can see this, and certainly rate the Boss. Some supporters view him as a one trick pony and hoof-it merchant. What we can't deny is that he has a track record of doing very good things. Onto the match this weekend - I'll make no predictions, but Hull are on form and it'll be tough. Come on you Villa Boys! Let's get the three points...
donegalvillan
Front page! Thanks Macka and Mr. Fear. What Tigercity says here is exactly it: we can't see the wood for the trees. We've got a setup at the moment that is so close to getting there. People outside the club - on the whole - can see this, and certainly rate the Boss. Some supporters view him as a one trick pony and hoof-it merchant. What we can't deny is that he has a track record of doing very good things. Onto the match this weekend - I'll make no predictions, but Hull are on form and it'll be tough. Come on you Villa Boys! Let's get the three points...
donegalvillan
Another fantastic article, seriously some of you guys should be submitting this stuff to the papers, far superior to the day to day dribble that is written in both the tabloids and broadsheets!

It is frustrated to beat Pool and Chelski one minute then lose to Wigan and Blackburn the next (no dis-respect meant) but that is just the way, we are so close to silverware this season, which would be massive coup for us as a club and as fans.

Sadly tigercity, you've just jinxed yourself, never gonna be 1-1 now. The score completly depends which Villa turns up as we all know - really good to see Downing slot into the team though, I think O'Neil's plan is a little clearer once he's in there, just need some creative backup/competition for Stu, Ash & James.
davidsands1982
Another fantastic article, seriously some of you guys should be submitting this stuff to the papers, far superior to the day to day dribble that is written in both the tabloids and broadsheets!

It is frustrated to beat Pool and Chelski one minute then lose to Wigan and Blackburn the next (no dis-respect meant) but that is just the way, we are so close to silverware this season, which would be massive coup for us as a club and as fans.

Sadly tigercity, you've just jinxed yourself, never gonna be 1-1 now. The score completly depends which Villa turns up as we all know - really good to see Downing slot into the team though, I think O'Neil's plan is a little clearer once he's in there, just need some creative backup/competition for Stu, Ash & James.
davidsands1982
 

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