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Lessons To Learn Says Monny

Martin O'Neill was happy with a point today but did admit there are lessons to be learnt following the hard fought game at VP.

Speaking on the official site Mr Predictable said that we thoroughly deserved our lead in the first half, but admitted Spurs deserved the equiliser in the second:

'We tried to close them down as quickly as we could, showed great energy and determination and got the goal. We deserved that at the break.'

In an honest appraisal Monny added:

'Despite the fact Emile Heskey almost got the goal for us at the end, it was probably us who were hanging on at the end.'

Now if only he'd said hanging on from the 46th minute I'd be unable to point that out!

'Overall I was very happy considering we had to change things around. I thought we did very well indeed defensively after having to reshuffle the back four.

'And obviously I thought Carlos was absolutely outstanding for us.'

Defensively we are now fine, regardless of reshuffles thankfully. And yes Carlos had a fine game.

Our problem is everyone else.

Our front two are static. There's no movement unless you count jogging forward and backwards with the odd drift towards the wing. I always used to think strikers played through the channels, tried to drag defenders to make space...this tactic of standing there doesn't really work.

I can't even bothered to talk about the midfield today, I used to find it funny back in the days of BFR when Staunton got the ball and you always knew he would hit it long to the left wing. It wasn't that bad though, because we had other players who'd do something different.

These days the ball either goes to Ash or goes to the corner flag. That's our attack.

I wonder how many more games before Ash kicks it straight back and shouts 'try something ****ing different'.

Good job Friedel was on form really.

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Writer: Mike Field Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday November 28 2009

Time: 10:03PM

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Happy with a point, I bet he was, he didn't mention anything about *****ting himself for the whole second half. Two players kept you in that game and you were very lucky to get that point.
TeddyLyon
average villa, cuellar and friedel saved the game for us, not sure there is much progress from last years performance v the spuds. Still, would have taken the point before the game. Started brightly enough but much like the weather it all went pete tong
The Fear
Happy with a point, I bet he was, he didn't mention anything about *****ting himself for the whole second half. Two players kept you in that game and you were very lucky to get that point.
TeddyLyon
average villa, cuellar and friedel saved the game for us, not sure there is much progress from last years performance v the spuds. Still, would have taken the point before the game. Started brightly enough but much like the weather it all went pete tong
The Fear
you only scored from a hand ball to be fair teddy
The Fear
you only scored from a hand ball to be fair teddy
The Fear
still didn't beat us, teddy.
benji_starsky_avfc
still didn't beat us, teddy.
benji_starsky_avfc
what is concerning is the same stuff is happening week after week for us...we lack imagination....
leftfoot
what is concerning is the same stuff is happening week after week for us...we lack imagination....
leftfoot
This has to go down as an excellent point gained against a team with a realistic shot at finishing in the top four. No doubt Spurs will be disappointed at dropping two points, but let's hear Villa getting some credit for denying a superior side victory. Just don't get me started on why Villa are inferior to the likes of Spurs...
Albarnista
This has to go down as an excellent point gained against a team with a realistic shot at finishing in the top four. No doubt Spurs will be disappointed at dropping two points, but let's hear Villa getting some credit for denying a superior side victory. Just don't get me started on why Villa are inferior to the likes of Spurs...
Albarnista
Go on Albarnista, tell us ;)

Could it be tactics?
RiF
Go on Albarnista, tell us ;)

Could it be tactics?
RiF
RiF, who cares if we're inferior to Spurs? Today we won a point against them, which should be cause for celebration shouldn't it? After all, we couldn't reasonably be expected to compete with a club like Spurs when we're just a small provincial, club who, when you think about it, are punching above their weight simply by being in the Premiership! I mean, I can't remember us winning anything ever, and yet we've just taken a point off a team who reached the League Cup Final last season! O'Neill specialises in getting the most out of small clubs with limited resources, such as Villa, and, though he might not be perfect, I can't think of anyone who'd be better for Villa. Admittedly, O'Neill might not be capable of dealing with clubs with more illustrious histories and loftier amibtions (Wigan, Hull, Fulham are obvious examples), but for us he's perfect. Why can't people see how lucky we are to have O'Neill as our manager? If we had ANY other manager we'd drop out of the football league quicker than you can say "Grantham Town away".
Albarnista
RiF, who cares if we're inferior to Spurs? Today we won a point against them, which should be cause for celebration shouldn't it? After all, we couldn't reasonably be expected to compete with a club like Spurs when we're just a small provincial, club who, when you think about it, are punching above their weight simply by being in the Premiership! I mean, I can't remember us winning anything ever, and yet we've just taken a point off a team who reached the League Cup Final last season! O'Neill specialises in getting the most out of small clubs with limited resources, such as Villa, and, though he might not be perfect, I can't think of anyone who'd be better for Villa. Admittedly, O'Neill might not be capable of dealing with clubs with more illustrious histories and loftier amibtions (Wigan, Hull, Fulham are obvious examples), but for us he's perfect. Why can't people see how lucky we are to have O'Neill as our manager? If we had ANY other manager we'd drop out of the football league quicker than you can say "Grantham Town away".
Albarnista
Pathetic attempts at wind ups, do try harder, Spurs are rightly ridiculed by most other clubs, something to do with them living in the shadow of Arsenal
trekker
Pathetic attempts at wind ups, do try harder, Spurs are rightly ridiculed by most other clubs, something to do with them living in the shadow of Arsenal
trekker
Spurs are brilliant, I think they'll win the league. It was great that they scored with a handball assist, wonderful skill. We were honoured to host last seasons league cup finalists and their lovely fans who aren't at all arrogant, nor do they have chips on their shoulders about being forever in Arsenal's shadow. I also love their manager, such a loyal, honest, polite fellow. They really are a big team.
olofthegreat
Spurs are brilliant, I think they'll win the league. It was great that they scored with a handball assist, wonderful skill. We were honoured to host last seasons league cup finalists and their lovely fans who aren't at all arrogant, nor do they have chips on their shoulders about being forever in Arsenal's shadow. I also love their manager, such a loyal, honest, polite fellow. They really are a big team.
olofthegreat
Ouch trekker, that second half really hurt didn't it? credit where credit is due. You may not like Spurs fans, but all's fair in love and war. For Spurs to come to a place like Villa Park, recover from being a goal down and treat the second half as it were a training match was impressive. (whilst still chasing the game no less) Last season Villa were amazing and we were the underacheivers in comparison. It's only one game and it was a draw afterall. Spurs won a moral victory out there because of the way they used the ball. I like martin O Neil, he's an amazing personality, but as supporters you should question whether you are watching football that is as pleasing on the eye as it should be. Spurs fans can be arrogant as sin but they demand good foootball, even if we don't always get it. And that's important. Good luck to Villa, and if you school us as WHL i'll have no problem with coming on here and admitting it.
jinkin jimmy dimmock
Ouch trekker, that second half really hurt didn't it? credit where credit is due. You may not like Spurs fans, but all's fair in love and war. For Spurs to come to a place like Villa Park, recover from being a goal down and treat the second half as it were a training match was impressive. (whilst still chasing the game no less) Last season Villa were amazing and we were the underacheivers in comparison. It's only one game and it was a draw afterall. Spurs won a moral victory out there because of the way they used the ball. I like martin O Neil, he's an amazing personality, but as supporters you should question whether you are watching football that is as pleasing on the eye as it should be. Spurs fans can be arrogant as sin but they demand good foootball, even if we don't always get it. And that's important. Good luck to Villa, and if you school us as WHL i'll have no problem with coming on here and admitting it.
jinkin jimmy dimmock
Positive things from the day. I bumped in to Fear in the pub before the game. We were 1 - 0 up after 15 minutes. And that is about it. Lets not accept the drivel that we were OK in the first half. In the first half we scored a lucky goal with our only serious effort. Spuds had shots saved by Friedel, cleared off the line, hit wide or over when really they should have done better. The second half was embarrasing. Had we have lost by 3 or 4 goals today it wouldn't have been an injustice. I am bored by the constant talk of formations. It is obvious apart from the odd exception that by having Milner and Young in the team, we are left desperatley short in midfield. They hog the touchlines and leave the midfield two with far too much ground to cover. They are knackered after 60 minutes and probably explains why we concede so many late goals. This is why we always get results by playing 433 and hardly ever (with the odd exception) when playing 442. The only two victories we have had away from home were playng 433. We have failed to win in every away game that he has played 442 this season. Of our 14 games, 5 have been against teams currently in the top half and 9 in the bottom half. 5 of our next 6 league games are against top half teams. I hope I am proved completely wrong, but by persisting with this failed formation we will be in the bottom half at the turn of the year. We have the personnel and depth to not just be challenging for the top 4 , but for the top of the table. But we look a million miles away from that. We have the players so M'ON needs to start delivering performances. Tuesday is now looking like a very big game. Lose to a team who can't buy a result like they could when Bungmaster Redknapp was in charge, then M'On will have to have a close look at just how he progresses from there.
voiceoftheholte
Positive things from the day. I bumped in to Fear in the pub before the game. We were 1 - 0 up after 15 minutes. And that is about it. Lets not accept the drivel that we were OK in the first half. In the first half we scored a lucky goal with our only serious effort. Spuds had shots saved by Friedel, cleared off the line, hit wide or over when really they should have done better. The second half was embarrasing. Had we have lost by 3 or 4 goals today it wouldn't have been an injustice. I am bored by the constant talk of formations. It is obvious apart from the odd exception that by having Milner and Young in the team, we are left desperatley short in midfield. They hog the touchlines and leave the midfield two with far too much ground to cover. They are knackered after 60 minutes and probably explains why we concede so many late goals. This is why we always get results by playing 433 and hardly ever (with the odd exception) when playing 442. The only two victories we have had away from home were playng 433. We have failed to win in every away game that he has played 442 this season. Of our 14 games, 5 have been against teams currently in the top half and 9 in the bottom half. 5 of our next 6 league games are against top half teams. I hope I am proved completely wrong, but by persisting with this failed formation we will be in the bottom half at the turn of the year. We have the personnel and depth to not just be challenging for the top 4 , but for the top of the table. But we look a million miles away from that. We have the players so M'ON needs to start delivering performances. Tuesday is now looking like a very big game. Lose to a team who can't buy a result like they could when Bungmaster Redknapp was in charge, then M'On will have to have a close look at just how he progresses from there.
voiceoftheholte
I got up at 4.30 AM to watch that. Disappointing. Let's hope we pull ourselves together for Tuesday.
ExpatVillaShirt
I got up at 4.30 AM to watch that. Disappointing. Let's hope we pull ourselves together for Tuesday.
ExpatVillaShirt
I agree 4-3-3 is the way to go .... especially away from home.... and to be honest we have enough midfielders to rotate, with Milner acting as a striker alongside gabbi and Carew or Heskey in the hole.... downing,petrov and ashley midfield with Reo-Coker and Sidwell as cover..... defence is sorted with loads of good options .... my worry is strikers now.... Robbie Keane in Jan perhaps.... gabby needs cover and Oneal doesnt think the fonz is upto the job so we need another in the same mould.... well done Brad, Beye and Carlos today they saved our bacon
tvrwhitey
I agree 4-3-3 is the way to go .... especially away from home.... and to be honest we have enough midfielders to rotate, with Milner acting as a striker alongside gabbi and Carew or Heskey in the hole.... downing,petrov and ashley midfield with Reo-Coker and Sidwell as cover..... defence is sorted with loads of good options .... my worry is strikers now.... Robbie Keane in Jan perhaps.... gabby needs cover and Oneal doesnt think the fonz is upto the job so we need another in the same mould.... well done Brad, Beye and Carlos today they saved our bacon
tvrwhitey
whine, whine, whine see you all for the Carling Next Week No Doubt.
Lost_In_Ca
whine, whine, whine see you all for the Carling Next Week No Doubt.
Lost_In_Ca
That`s a really decent Spurs team who came to us on fire, we worked but were poor with the ball and if anyone can explain that refs performance then please go ahead as he was so biased for Spurs it was a disgrace.
ASPINALL
That`s a really decent Spurs team who came to us on fire, we worked but were poor with the ball and if anyone can explain that refs performance then please go ahead as he was so biased for Spurs it was a disgrace.
ASPINALL
When Villa and Spurs fans get together it never ceases to amuse me how both sides claim the other to be "arrogant" and have "chips on their shoulders" without relising the same is also true of themselves. Although from a spurs perspective last year we we're accused of "not being in Villas league" and now we're accused of "living in Arsenals shadow", that's definately progress....or regression depending on your point of view ;)
Phartman87
When Villa and Spurs fans get together it never ceases to amuse me how both sides claim the other to be "arrogant" and have "chips on their shoulders" without relising the same is also true of themselves. Although from a spurs perspective last year we we're accused of "not being in Villas league" and now we're accused of "living in Arsenals shadow", that's definately progress....or regression depending on your point of view ;)
Phartman87
Let's see if MO'N learns any lessons. Actually forget the lessons, MO'N should learn the facts regarding our 4-4-2/4-5-1 performances. The lessons I learnt from yesterday is that we play better with Reo-Coker in the line-up, MO'N has his obvious favourites (regardless of talent or lack of) Sidwell was a waste of money, Beye & Dick Dunne are VERY lucky to be playing in our shirt, Carew wasn't interested (again), Spurs won the game 1-1, Spurs love to use their hands (except Gomes of course), the ref loved Spurs, Spurs love Harry (for the time being), Harry loves MO'N, MO'N loves Heskey, Heskey used to be S H I T E - still is, Reo-Coker can't shoot, Luke Young isn't left footed, Warnock had the sniffles, Cuellar's beard is coming along nicely, MO'N forgot Downing was on bench, Gardner & Delph will never get a chance & most of all, we played that poor we made Spurs look good during their 1-1 win!
StuLinney
Let's see if MO'N learns any lessons. Actually forget the lessons, MO'N should learn the facts regarding our 4-4-2/4-5-1 performances. The lessons I learnt from yesterday is that we play better with Reo-Coker in the line-up, MO'N has his obvious favourites (regardless of talent or lack of) Sidwell was a waste of money, Beye & Dick Dunne are VERY lucky to be playing in our shirt, Carew wasn't interested (again), Spurs won the game 1-1, Spurs love to use their hands (except Gomes of course), the ref loved Spurs, Spurs love Harry (for the time being), Harry loves MO'N, MO'N loves Heskey, Heskey used to be S H I T E - still is, Reo-Coker can't shoot, Luke Young isn't left footed, Warnock had the sniffles, Cuellar's beard is coming along nicely, MO'N forgot Downing was on bench, Gardner & Delph will never get a chance & most of all, we played that poor we made Spurs look good during their 1-1 win!
StuLinney
nice words stulinney and i feel compelled to add to it. sidwell looks like he has as much going on in his head as he contributes to the game - nothing...
leftfoot
nice words stulinney and i feel compelled to add to it. sidwell looks like he has as much going on in his head as he contributes to the game - nothing...
leftfoot
That is the problem Albarnista, we shouldn't be inferior, Arry the Orrible has been their manager less than half the time MON has. Damn!

Bumped into me Voiceoftheholte then sadly someone bumped into you with drinks and you lost 1/8th of a pint... I feel your pain on that one mate! Was good to meet you, can put a face to the name now!
The Fear
That is the problem Albarnista, we shouldn't be inferior, Arry the Orrible has been their manager less than half the time MON has. Damn!

Bumped into me Voiceoftheholte then sadly someone bumped into you with drinks and you lost 1/8th of a pint... I feel your pain on that one mate! Was good to meet you, can put a face to the name now!
The Fear
I think Beye was good he was a good player for Newcastle and hes had some good displays for Villa Carlos was getting the same grief when he joined . have we got a problem with fitness . We seem to start off well then have to end up (as a spuds commenter said) 7-2-1 for the rest of the game . Never thought of it before but I agree with voiceoftheholte maybe its the wingers that are the problem , when we start getting dominated (and we will) swap the wingers for a more solid midfield and start playing our way out of trouble instead of hoofing it straight back to them .
Doug4ever
I think Beye was good he was a good player for Newcastle and hes had some good displays for Villa Carlos was getting the same grief when he joined . have we got a problem with fitness . We seem to start off well then have to end up (as a spuds commenter said) 7-2-1 for the rest of the game . Never thought of it before but I agree with voiceoftheholte maybe its the wingers that are the problem , when we start getting dominated (and we will) swap the wingers for a more solid midfield and start playing our way out of trouble instead of hoofing it straight back to them .
Doug4ever
 

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