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Gary Cahill Was NOT Forced Out Of Villa

The Sun have an interview with former Villa defender Gary Cahill who in some Villa fans eyes 'controversially' was sold to Bolton when he appeared to be a hot prospect for us.

Nice to read the quotes in the red top as well as some more in the Birmingham Mail because Gary shows he has no hard feelings on his departure and that he wasn't forced out at all.

The 23-year-old has been called in the England squad, as a few in the Villa youth set up expected one day he would be - I spoke with one a few years ago when Gary left and he said they had thought Cahill would be the best of all the youth players breaking through so he was gutted when he left!

Cahill explains in the article he departed because he wanted regular first team football, at the time he couldn't get that at Villa with Martin Laursen and Olof the bearded wonder Mellberg being the regulars.

He admits, 'If I had bided my time there, I might have got into the side and carried on playing there — but I chose to move and I've not looked back since. It has turned out to be a good decision.'

He also says although Bolton aren't seen as 'fashionable' the new England boss doesn't seem to worry as long as 'you're doing the business and performing well, you've always got a chance.'

He then goes on to talk about his England prospects in the report: click here

In the Birmingham Mail when asked about MON not being able to convince him his future lay at Villa, Cahill said: 'He is a great manager and you would maybe have to ask him that question. But everybody makes mistakes sometimes.' Adding that there is no animosity between him and MON and 'He never for one minute pushed me out of the door. It was just a decision I made to go because he couldn't guarantee me playing week in, week out which is what I needed to do.'

Nice to be able to get that fully cleared up as it was mystifying to some that he was allowed to leave, maybe more could have been done to convince him to stay but if he wanted football week in week out he'd have had to wait at least one more season and sadly it looks like he wasn't prepared to do so. Shame really because with the injury record of Laursen he would have got his chance!


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Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday October 9 2009

Time: 9:33AM

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But the bearded one was at right back, Knight was Laursen's partner at the back
young_jonah
But the bearded one was at right back, Knight was Laursen's partner at the back
young_jonah
The crucial thing that Gary Cahill talks about is MON not being able to guarantee him a regular first team slot. In my opinion, no manager can or should ever do that with any player, let alone a still-unproven youngster. Hindsight gives 20-20 vision, but how many times have we seen young prospects shine briefly and then fade?
BobTheBuilder
The crucial thing that Gary Cahill talks about is MON not being able to guarantee him a regular first team slot. In my opinion, no manager can or should ever do that with any player, let alone a still-unproven youngster. Hindsight gives 20-20 vision, but how many times have we seen young prospects shine briefly and then fade?
BobTheBuilder
To state an obvious fact, MON knows more about footy than I'll ever know, but why the hell he was picking Zat Knightmare over this lad is totally lost on me. But, he's the boss and he's made more good than bad decisions in his time. I'm willing to let him off on this one.
PBAVFC
To state an obvious fact, MON knows more about footy than I'll ever know, but why the hell he was picking Zat Knightmare over this lad is totally lost on me. But, he's the boss and he's made more good than bad decisions in his time. I'm willing to let him off on this one.
PBAVFC
Was gutted when Cahill left, still am bit p'd off. Especially as we could have signed him & guaranteed him that football this summer b4 he signed his new deal. (£8m release clause.) I'd still pay up to £15m for him now. Or even give Bolton £12m + Dunne (+ Heskey & Beye.) My worry now is the same thing will happen with Gardner, a player I'd have in ahead of Sidwell every game whether it B 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. I hope MO'N doesn't make a habit out of getting rid of our Academy lads in favour of guys like Dunne & Heskey.
StuLinney
Was gutted when Cahill left, still am bit p'd off. Especially as we could have signed him & guaranteed him that football this summer b4 he signed his new deal. (£8m release clause.) I'd still pay up to £15m for him now. Or even give Bolton £12m + Dunne (+ Heskey & Beye.) My worry now is the same thing will happen with Gardner, a player I'd have in ahead of Sidwell every game whether it B 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. I hope MO'N doesn't make a habit out of getting rid of our Academy lads in favour of guys like Dunne & Heskey.
StuLinney
You all seem to be forgetting that he wasn`t the player he is now when he was at villa.People are talking as if cahill has actually done something,He has done well for bolton for a few months,so what?And i think you will find he is now playing alongside zat "knightmare".As for o`neill having a habit of getting rid of academy lads,Its garbage,if they are good enough he keeps them if they are not he doesn`t,The great white hope steven davis has hardly set the spl on fire has he.cahill wanted to play so he left,GET OVER IT.Perhaps cahill would be wise to keep his trap shut,If he plays for england and flops he is going to look a tit.
lerneravfc
You all seem to be forgetting that he wasn`t the player he is now when he was at villa.People are talking as if cahill has actually done something,He has done well for bolton for a few months,so what?And i think you will find he is now playing alongside zat "knightmare".As for o`neill having a habit of getting rid of academy lads,Its garbage,if they are good enough he keeps them if they are not he doesn`t,The great white hope steven davis has hardly set the spl on fire has he.cahill wanted to play so he left,GET OVER IT.Perhaps cahill would be wise to keep his trap shut,If he plays for england and flops he is going to look a tit.
lerneravfc
lerneravfc your posts always seem very angry. Looking at who O'Neill has got playing regularly, we have Gabby Agbonlahor from the academy and thats it, I think its fair to say Steven Davis did get an opportunity to prove himself, but when you consider how well thought of our academy is, it amazes me we have only got one player regularly playing in our side. Not sure O'Neill shows enough belief in our youngsters to be honest, Clark and Albrighton are supposedly close to the first team but unless they are given an opportunity they will not develop
young_jonah
lerneravfc your posts always seem very angry. Looking at who O'Neill has got playing regularly, we have Gabby Agbonlahor from the academy and thats it, I think its fair to say Steven Davis did get an opportunity to prove himself, but when you consider how well thought of our academy is, it amazes me we have only got one player regularly playing in our side. Not sure O'Neill shows enough belief in our youngsters to be honest, Clark and Albrighton are supposedly close to the first team but unless they are given an opportunity they will not develop
young_jonah
Cahill was always going to be the best of the academy kids - Sid and Tony Mcandrew said so. He was composed on the ball from what I saw of him. It is a bit a ***** take that he was let go for as little as we got - leaving us with Zat in reserve. But the most galling thing is that a sell on was not stuck in the deal. 15-20% of a possible £10million transfer would have made it a bit easier to take. We paid £10million for Davies for f***'s sake. Although, to be fair to Curtis, it will be interesting to see how he plays along side one of the new lads when fit.
heavy d
Cahill was always going to be the best of the academy kids - Sid and Tony Mcandrew said so. He was composed on the ball from what I saw of him. It is a bit a ***** take that he was let go for as little as we got - leaving us with Zat in reserve. But the most galling thing is that a sell on was not stuck in the deal. 15-20% of a possible £10million transfer would have made it a bit easier to take. We paid £10million for Davies for f***'s sake. Although, to be fair to Curtis, it will be interesting to see how he plays along side one of the new lads when fit.
heavy d
I have followed Cahill since his days on loan at Burnley. Wasnt Ridgewell playing ahead of him at time? That seemed bizarre to me!
claretdale
I have followed Cahill since his days on loan at Burnley. Wasnt Ridgewell playing ahead of him at time? That seemed bizarre to me!
claretdale
Strieks me the lads got a brain. He knew his chances under MON were poor so looked elsewhere and made a great choice. Being a nice bloke he's not going to slag off a previous manager especially as he has eyes on progressing further. as he says, some managers make mistakes. Selling Cahill was obviously one of the many
avfc48
Strieks me the lads got a brain. He knew his chances under MON were poor so looked elsewhere and made a great choice. Being a nice bloke he's not going to slag off a previous manager especially as he has eyes on progressing further. as he says, some managers make mistakes. Selling Cahill was obviously one of the many
avfc48
Knight came in the season that Cahill left 2007/2008. Lerneravfc, your tone is always 'get over it', angry and disrespectful to other people's opinions, maybe you have some things you should be getting over. MON is the manager, it was his call, no one is arguing otherwise, the article was pointing out that fact and that Gary chose to move on. I just do remember a chat with someone involved in the youth set up and they really fancied him. Of course he bloody well hadn't done anything by then, he is a young lad still, he was still learning his trade (still is) but his potential was there for all to see (well, according to you not all apparently) and that is what football is about, discussions on the great signgings, the ones that got away, ones that left. Get a grip.
The Fear
Knight came in the season that Cahill left 2007/2008. Lerneravfc, your tone is always 'get over it', angry and disrespectful to other people's opinions, maybe you have some things you should be getting over. MON is the manager, it was his call, no one is arguing otherwise, the article was pointing out that fact and that Gary chose to move on. I just do remember a chat with someone involved in the youth set up and they really fancied him. Of course he bloody well hadn't done anything by then, he is a young lad still, he was still learning his trade (still is) but his potential was there for all to see (well, according to you not all apparently) and that is what football is about, discussions on the great signgings, the ones that got away, ones that left. Get a grip.
The Fear
Fancied him as in, wanted to pinch his bum, Fear? If so, then they really have bad taste, I mean, I would have been moving in on maybe the hunk that is salifou instead. Maybe I've said too much.
PBAVFC
Fancied him as in, wanted to pinch his bum, Fear? If so, then they really have bad taste, I mean, I would have been moving in on maybe the hunk that is salifou instead. Maybe I've said too much.
PBAVFC
So many have slated the manager over this for sooooo long, Cahill has said he wasn't forced out, he was demanding first team football, wasn't guaranteed it, so decided to go, so move the focus over to MONs treatment of the youth and how he won't give them a chance, move the focus onto "well he wouldn't be so unprofessional as to blame the manager" shift the focus all you like, the FACT is that Cahill wanted guaranteed first team football and decided to leave, No player should demand a guaranteed first team place and a manager would be mad to promise that, why can't some just admit they have been proven wrong? Again!
steff_the_villan
So many have slated the manager over this for sooooo long, Cahill has said he wasn't forced out, he was demanding first team football, wasn't guaranteed it, so decided to go, so move the focus over to MONs treatment of the youth and how he won't give them a chance, move the focus onto "well he wouldn't be so unprofessional as to blame the manager" shift the focus all you like, the FACT is that Cahill wanted guaranteed first team football and decided to leave, No player should demand a guaranteed first team place and a manager would be mad to promise that, why can't some just admit they have been proven wrong? Again!
steff_the_villan
YJ - Knight was bought after Cahill left for Bolton. It was Laursen and Davies/Mellberg.... Gotta love how the rags have managed to create a negative out of this interview with some pathetic headlines. In essence Cahill is saying what I have said all along - he wasn't prepared to be patient at Villa so left..... Ironically he probably would have waited less than a full season and is now playing with the player he would have played ahead of....
gmvillan
YJ - Knight was bought after Cahill left for Bolton. It was Laursen and Davies/Mellberg.... Gotta love how the rags have managed to create a negative out of this interview with some pathetic headlines. In essence Cahill is saying what I have said all along - he wasn't prepared to be patient at Villa so left..... Ironically he probably would have waited less than a full season and is now playing with the player he would have played ahead of....
gmvillan
Well said Steff and GM. Just my opinion, Fear, but I'm really getting tired of those with perfect hindsight continually picking at the scab that is Gary Cahill. I may not have put it as strongly as lerneravfc, but I do feel like saying "he's gone; get over it". Cahill CHOSE to leave because an Aston Villa manager would not GUARANTEE him first team football. Well done that manager, I say. Now can we move on?
BobTheBuilder
Well said Steff and GM. Just my opinion, Fear, but I'm really getting tired of those with perfect hindsight continually picking at the scab that is Gary Cahill. I may not have put it as strongly as lerneravfc, but I do feel like saying "he's gone; get over it". Cahill CHOSE to leave because an Aston Villa manager would not GUARANTEE him first team football. Well done that manager, I say. Now can we move on?
BobTheBuilder
hopefully no similar article about ciaran clark in 3 years time..
Gruck
hopefully no similar article about ciaran clark in 3 years time..
Gruck
Steff, GM and Bob have said it better than I could, so just assume that I said all of the above!!! Some people have an agenda. We have to live with that. Nothing will change their minds, so I struggle to work out why I, and others, bother. Maybe it's just human nature?
heathfieldroad1874
Steff, GM and Bob have said it better than I could, so just assume that I said all of the above!!! Some people have an agenda. We have to live with that. Nothing will change their minds, so I struggle to work out why I, and others, bother. Maybe it's just human nature?
heathfieldroad1874
Why is this suddenly news? It was widely reported at the time that he left for first team football. Opportunity to villa and mon a kicking, I suppose
General Disarray
Why is this suddenly news? It was widely reported at the time that he left for first team football. Opportunity to villa and mon a kicking, I suppose
General Disarray
bloody hell some of you guys are negative, jeez, it was for the very opposite reason of having a go at MON, if you read the article it is quite the reverse. Also, why is it news? Ask Gary and the press why they did the interview, seems a perfectly reasonable thing for the interviewer to be askign about and for Gary to be answering and us to be clarifying for the many who think his departure was a MON mistake.
The Fear
bloody hell some of you guys are negative, jeez, it was for the very opposite reason of having a go at MON, if you read the article it is quite the reverse. Also, why is it news? Ask Gary and the press why they did the interview, seems a perfectly reasonable thing for the interviewer to be askign about and for Gary to be answering and us to be clarifying for the many who think his departure was a MON mistake.
The Fear
But BobTheBuilder it was exactly with that in mind that I decided to do the article as so many have used it as a stick to beat MON with.

PBAVFC, way too much mate... WAY too much... then again, any port in a storm.... Now I am ashamed of myself... see what you've reduced me to! lol
The Fear
But BobTheBuilder it was exactly with that in mind that I decided to do the article as so many have used it as a stick to beat MON with.

PBAVFC, way too much mate... WAY too much... then again, any port in a storm.... Now I am ashamed of myself... see what you've reduced me to! lol
The Fear
Fear, I wasn't having a dig at you in any way whatsoever, but at that happy band who STILL insist that it was 'a blunder' by the club to 'let Cahill go', and who STILL insist on raising the subject EVERY time Cahill's name is mentioned. As pointed out by heathfield, there are those either post the same claptrap every time, or can't (won't) let this lie because of their personal agenda with regard to O'Neill. For Cahill to suggest that the club made any kind of mistake in allowing him to leave when he could not be guaranteed first team football displays nothing more than a gigantic (and growing) ego on that young man's part.
BobTheBuilder
Fear, I wasn't having a dig at you in any way whatsoever, but at that happy band who STILL insist that it was 'a blunder' by the club to 'let Cahill go', and who STILL insist on raising the subject EVERY time Cahill's name is mentioned. As pointed out by heathfield, there are those either post the same claptrap every time, or can't (won't) let this lie because of their personal agenda with regard to O'Neill. For Cahill to suggest that the club made any kind of mistake in allowing him to leave when he could not be guaranteed first team football displays nothing more than a gigantic (and growing) ego on that young man's part.
BobTheBuilder
Youg Jonah is spot on. OK so you cannot guaranteee anybody anything, but for all the image the opportunities given to our ever so successful youngsters are almost nil in terms of genuine first team competitive opportunities. Some of these may be stars of the future, but they will never be given the opportunity for us or MON to ever find out. I worry that we will only find out after they have gone, or after lengthy failure of the established "stars". If we want to reach for the top then our youngters are the only way there. I would judge coming mid-table this season and regularly blooding the likes of Bannan, Albrighton, The Fonz and Baker as well as Delph as real progress. Get 12th to perhaps reach for 4th the season after. It might not happen, they might not make it - but it would be fun to have a go and the fans would be patient and supportive of developing talent. Alternatively, how about letting a few of them all go to the same championship club and seeing how they fare. They need the chance to show what they can do. I know it is a gamble, but we know some of the established players limitations and I for one am excited by the young talent and think we may have a few more Cahills up our sleeve. Who am I to judge compared to MON - absolutely nobody. All I am saying though is no one, not even MON can judge, unless they are given a decent chance to show what they can do. Man Ud, Arsenal have stronger squads but still blood their youngsters in so much better. It is the one transformation in attitude that I would love the most. Up the Villla. You (might) win everything with kids - you never know!
stennyvilla
Youg Jonah is spot on. OK so you cannot guaranteee anybody anything, but for all the image the opportunities given to our ever so successful youngsters are almost nil in terms of genuine first team competitive opportunities. Some of these may be stars of the future, but they will never be given the opportunity for us or MON to ever find out. I worry that we will only find out after they have gone, or after lengthy failure of the established "stars". If we want to reach for the top then our youngters are the only way there. I would judge coming mid-table this season and regularly blooding the likes of Bannan, Albrighton, The Fonz and Baker as well as Delph as real progress. Get 12th to perhaps reach for 4th the season after. It might not happen, they might not make it - but it would be fun to have a go and the fans would be patient and supportive of developing talent. Alternatively, how about letting a few of them all go to the same championship club and seeing how they fare. They need the chance to show what they can do. I know it is a gamble, but we know some of the established players limitations and I for one am excited by the young talent and think we may have a few more Cahills up our sleeve. Who am I to judge compared to MON - absolutely nobody. All I am saying though is no one, not even MON can judge, unless they are given a decent chance to show what they can do. Man Ud, Arsenal have stronger squads but still blood their youngsters in so much better. It is the one transformation in attitude that I would love the most. Up the Villla. You (might) win everything with kids - you never know!
stennyvilla
I don't see a huge number of kids at any club. ManU and particularly Arsenal had to blood the kids due to injuries, and even then it was a limited number of games and only one at time (Carling Cup excepted of course). Everton have to blood a few because they have no transfer budget to speak of. Apart from that who else has a team full of youth players week in week out? Loads of players have been let go and then proven to be very good - Barcelona let Fabregas go for instance. The best example is ManU where players such as Evans play when required, and remain on the bench until they've gained the experience. Didn't see him demanding guaranteed football.
heathfieldroad1874
I don't see a huge number of kids at any club. ManU and particularly Arsenal had to blood the kids due to injuries, and even then it was a limited number of games and only one at time (Carling Cup excepted of course). Everton have to blood a few because they have no transfer budget to speak of. Apart from that who else has a team full of youth players week in week out? Loads of players have been let go and then proven to be very good - Barcelona let Fabregas go for instance. The best example is ManU where players such as Evans play when required, and remain on the bench until they've gained the experience. Didn't see him demanding guaranteed football.
heathfieldroad1874
Well there you have it - typical forum posts. When O'Neill plays youngsters - chiefly in Europe - he is slated for playing a 'weakened team', but if he doesn't play the youngsters - chiefly in the Prem, which is so much tougher - he is slated for not playing them.
BobTheBuilder
Well there you have it - typical forum posts. When O'Neill plays youngsters - chiefly in Europe - he is slated for playing a 'weakened team', but if he doesn't play the youngsters - chiefly in the Prem, which is so much tougher - he is slated for not playing them.
BobTheBuilder
That totally misses the point. Playing them all or not playing them at all is not the issue - both of those understandably end up attracting criticism. You need to play a strong team and try and win every game is the way. MON has done fantastically well in bringing in some strong high quality experienced defenders. However in midfield and up front a bit more guile and craft is needed and a couple of the youngsters may be the answer. Sufficient opportunities and chances is the issue, not all or nothing.
stennyvilla
That totally misses the point. Playing them all or not playing them at all is not the issue - both of those understandably end up attracting criticism. You need to play a strong team and try and win every game is the way. MON has done fantastically well in bringing in some strong high quality experienced defenders. However in midfield and up front a bit more guile and craft is needed and a couple of the youngsters may be the answer. Sufficient opportunities and chances is the issue, not all or nothing.
stennyvilla
if you look at the players that O'neill signed and played at the time, they were mostly experienced which he obviously thought and i agree is important which is why i guess Zat was ahead of Cahill.. No player should be guaranteed a place, they should earn it. But Cahill, although a great player experienced a time under MON before he began to really introduce the youngsters. I think if Cahill had stayed he definitely would be an integral part of our squad now. But the lad didn't want to bide his time, moved on and fair play to him. He is playing well, but i think is at a very dangerous point in his career and should think very very carefully about the next move in his career as we know joining a top 4 side isnt always the best option.
arc1988
if you look at the players that O'neill signed and played at the time, they were mostly experienced which he obviously thought and i agree is important which is why i guess Zat was ahead of Cahill.. No player should be guaranteed a place, they should earn it. But Cahill, although a great player experienced a time under MON before he began to really introduce the youngsters. I think if Cahill had stayed he definitely would be an integral part of our squad now. But the lad didn't want to bide his time, moved on and fair play to him. He is playing well, but i think is at a very dangerous point in his career and should think very very carefully about the next move in his career as we know joining a top 4 side isnt always the best option.
arc1988
correction about zat,
arc1988
correction about zat,
arc1988
yup, was with you bobTheBuilder didn't take it as 'having a go' mate. As said, did the article to help clear up the situation as I've often thought it a blunder but am always happy to read or be told something that clarifies things.
The Fear
yup, was with you bobTheBuilder didn't take it as 'having a go' mate. As said, did the article to help clear up the situation as I've often thought it a blunder but am always happy to read or be told something that clarifies things.
The Fear
It's funny the reception Cahill gets off us fans is good, not that there is anything wrong with it ,but a player who gives us 12 years of service is treated so badly. I believe they both left for footballing reasons.
chris the villan
It's funny the reception Cahill gets off us fans is good, not that there is anything wrong with it ,but a player who gives us 12 years of service is treated so badly. I believe they both left for footballing reasons.
chris the villan
 

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