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Attendance at games: Attendance now, according to a poster, is a result of 'poor management.' That is an interesting view in my opinion. We have a management that has invested heavily in the infrastructure to make visiting Villa Park a welcoming experience. We have a management that has invested heavily in communicating with the Fans and providing them an opportunity to meet with management and make suggestions, comments, etc. (the SCG). We have management that has kept the ticket prices at Villa Park low...perhaps the lowest in the Premiership. We have management that has provided packages and incentives to encourage fans to come to Villa Park. We have an owner who has certainly provided funding for players...certainly more than the previous owner by a long shot. We have a Squad that won the Peace Cup (yes, this was friendly competition but it was competition none the less), have beaten Liverpool, have purchased some quality players during the current window (I am shocked that people question the capability of those we have brought in) and we continue to see a Bright Future. So where has management gone wrong??? There are many reasons why fans come to Villa Park...and many reasons why they don't come. I honestly believe I have been on these threads long enough to FULLY understand the reasons why they may not come. It was the Fans who made the decision not to come to the RV game. We, the management, offered them a very strong value proposition and some didn't take us up on it. Obviously the economy has an impact but the RV game should not have been impacted by the economy because the value proposition was there. Soooo, was it Wigan? Was it last season? Was it the transfer window? Only the Fans know. What I will say is very simple and very clear...we cannot have a football club without Fans. The Club needs Fans to survive and Fans need to understand that fact. Staying away from Villa Park because you are upset with someone is the surest way to cut off your nose to spite your face.

voiceoftheholte has had his say... a rallying cry to those who are waiting for success maybe? Maybe get down there before success comes and shout the lads on?

'I know that I constantly go on about support. In my opinion the attendances against Wigan Vienna and Fulham have been a disgrace. So that is not a knock against those that attended (although the atmosphere created was poor and the thousands turning their backs on the team 5 minutes before the final whistle should be ashamed of their actions), I find it refreshing to hear somebody in the club questioning the commitment of the fans.

The club have bent over backwards to do everything possible and still there permeates an air of negativity and a reluctance for people to put their money where their mouth is. When Randy took over attendances increased slightly and were at higher levels than since God was a dog.

But still we had games where there were thousands of empty seats. And the consensus was lets see how the team do . . . . . lets see how much money is spent . . . . . . blah blah.

Well the team have performed (although the last 3 months of the season were disappointing), money has been wisely (with some notable exceptions) invested both on and off the pitch. Everything we have wanted within reason has been done. And still we refuse to back Randy and his regime in sufficient numbers. This is not acceptable and if you are reading this and you are one of those happy to spout their views but not happy to pay your dough, then hang your head in shame.

Forget that other than the last three months of the season, we have had some wonderfully entertaining football, played by a generation of generally young English talent (and some brilliant foreign additions such as Carew, Laursen, Petrov etc) remember the other things that have happened ie: Acorns, Bodymoor Heath, Nike are now partners and suppliers, The Holte Pub, the logo, the New Holte Suite, the brilliantly improved Trinity Road, a new club shop in the City Centre, away fans now in the corner and Villa behind both goals, the free travel to Chelsea for all supporters, the European Cup anniversary weekend against Sheffield United (bought tears to my eyes) the scarves, the flags, the great ticket prices in comparison to most other clubs, the supporters forums where many of the things fans have wanted they have got and not least General Krulak for being so patient with many of the muppets that have wasted his time.

I could go on and tell of a personal story where GK arranged thousands of 's worth of hospitality for a terminally ill friend. But that is not the point. We are finally a proper football club. We have something that we can be proud of. We are progressing on the pitch. Some may not be totally happy with the manager and his player selections (but that will always be the case. Manure have just won the league but the fans are still criticising Nani, Evans, Fletcher and Anderson amongst others).

So MON is never going to please everybody. But that doesn't matter. There is now absolutely no reason for VP not to be full every game. There are fans who still cannot afford it. There are still fans who live too far away to come every game. Some can't make games on certain days. But this is the same for every fan of every club in every league.

For two years only 5 clubs have been better than us. Unfortunately there are too many fans who can afford to come, who live within reasonable distance of VP, who simply can't be arsed. And until that changes I feel our support is going to be Randy's biggest disappointment and the reason why future investment (like the ground expansion) will be withheld. And who can blame him? A club is it's fans and we are simply not standing up and being counted at the moment and it may come back and haunt us. Then the real fans will have something to moan at.'

voiceoftheholte




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Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday September 5 2009

Time: 5:10PM

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Here here! I'm actually dreading our Carling Cup match with Cardiff as I fear a poor attendance despite free entry to everyone who could be arsed to go against Rapid V. Cardiff will clearly fill the upper North Stand and sing from start to finish. I am already prepared to be ashamed at the lack of support. Please McGrath prove me wrong. Sing your hearts out for the lads!
Adam Deuce
Here here! I'm actually dreading our Carling Cup match with Cardiff as I fear a poor attendance despite free entry to everyone who could be arsed to go against Rapid V. Cardiff will clearly fill the upper North Stand and sing from start to finish. I am already prepared to be ashamed at the lack of support. Please McGrath prove me wrong. Sing your hearts out for the lads!
Adam Deuce
I've been a Villa fan for over 30 years. A regular even when we lived in Oxford and Coventry. And for a while now I've been an avid reader of this most excellent of sites. But never a contributor. I had actually almost stopped reading the threads because of the negativity and at times vitriol that had been here of late. I don't agree with everything Mr O'Neil does, I'm a fan, thats what makes it "fun", the debating and disagreeing. I, like my Dad and daughter who go with me, have enjoyed really good debates about who should have come on (partic against Rapid Vienna once we were 1-0 up and Heskey was flagging), why did we play that formation, why do we never make a change till 85 mins, etc etc etc. But I've never resorted to some of the negativity about MY team I heard at HALF TIME against Wigan. I am proud of what has been achieved by the new owner, the staff, the manager and the players in what is actually a short amount of time. As someone who has seen several times the conduct of players at close hand I am proud of what I have seen of their characters too. At a childrens Christmas nativity I saw Mr Young stop and take the time to sign autographs of some very keen youngsters who had pursued him into the car park, and then take the time to talk to them. He was with his family and could have just shoved them off, something I've seen others do time and time again. He's not the only one I've seen behave in exemplary ways. These guys are not perfect, they are not in some cases the finished article, but one thing they really really do need is our support. Not blind support. But our support. I can't make the Cardiff game, but I'll be there against Portsmouth, probably with my little 9 year old daughter out shouting me, and I hope every one who can will join her (I have to watch the vocal cords you understand). Well that was meant to be a simple - "brilliant article" - but then being a vicar I've never been short of a word! Up the Villa.
revdpete
I've been a Villa fan for over 30 years. A regular even when we lived in Oxford and Coventry. And for a while now I've been an avid reader of this most excellent of sites. But never a contributor. I had actually almost stopped reading the threads because of the negativity and at times vitriol that had been here of late. I don't agree with everything Mr O'Neil does, I'm a fan, thats what makes it "fun", the debating and disagreeing. I, like my Dad and daughter who go with me, have enjoyed really good debates about who should have come on (partic against Rapid Vienna once we were 1-0 up and Heskey was flagging), why did we play that formation, why do we never make a change till 85 mins, etc etc etc. But I've never resorted to some of the negativity about MY team I heard at HALF TIME against Wigan. I am proud of what has been achieved by the new owner, the staff, the manager and the players in what is actually a short amount of time. As someone who has seen several times the conduct of players at close hand I am proud of what I have seen of their characters too. At a childrens Christmas nativity I saw Mr Young stop and take the time to sign autographs of some very keen youngsters who had pursued him into the car park, and then take the time to talk to them. He was with his family and could have just shoved them off, something I've seen others do time and time again. He's not the only one I've seen behave in exemplary ways. These guys are not perfect, they are not in some cases the finished article, but one thing they really really do need is our support. Not blind support. But our support. I can't make the Cardiff game, but I'll be there against Portsmouth, probably with my little 9 year old daughter out shouting me, and I hope every one who can will join her (I have to watch the vocal cords you understand). Well that was meant to be a simple - "brilliant article" - but then being a vicar I've never been short of a word! Up the Villa.
revdpete
Welcome revd. Nice first post.
heathfieldroad1874
Welcome revd. Nice first post.
heathfieldroad1874
Some great articles well written that I feel echo the thoughts of many true villa supporters.Randy Lerner,the General and MON together are progressing the whole club in a structured and sensible manner which I feel will give us the platform for a level of sucess in the long term.I have frustrations with MON myself but urge all villa fans to be patient,support the team vocally and attend matches where possible as I am sure the players appreciate the efforts we make in following them.The one suggestion I would make concerns an anthem being necessary to galvanise the efforts of those trying to raise the vocal decibels.We dont have a decent song of any length(without swear words)that we could call our own which would be a rallying call for the team.I know this topic has been debated before, but I really wish we had a song all fans were comfortable singing that was recognised as villas anthem.
kevo
Some great articles well written that I feel echo the thoughts of many true villa supporters.Randy Lerner,the General and MON together are progressing the whole club in a structured and sensible manner which I feel will give us the platform for a level of sucess in the long term.I have frustrations with MON myself but urge all villa fans to be patient,support the team vocally and attend matches where possible as I am sure the players appreciate the efforts we make in following them.The one suggestion I would make concerns an anthem being necessary to galvanise the efforts of those trying to raise the vocal decibels.We dont have a decent song of any length(without swear words)that we could call our own which would be a rallying call for the team.I know this topic has been debated before, but I really wish we had a song all fans were comfortable singing that was recognised as villas anthem.
kevo
Fear - I agree with every word said above. The moaning fans at this club are probably one of the biggest weaknesses we have. I have shared before the story of Doug arranging for an abseiling demonstration at half time and the men behind complaining that they were using ropes!! What more can I say?
Gordonsleftboot
Fear - I agree with every word said above. The moaning fans at this club are probably one of the biggest weaknesses we have. I have shared before the story of Doug arranging for an abseiling demonstration at half time and the men behind complaining that they were using ropes!! What more can I say?
Gordonsleftboot
We all now have confirmation who the negative posters are on Vital Villa. During the last few weeks i have felt extremely embarrassed by the style and quality level of this GREAT website brought about by these so called fans. Like many others i have been at Villa Park down the years and witnessed many many times the moaners...in significant numbers, who never seem to be pleased. They always appear naturally unhappy about supporting Villa which i can never understand why. My Brother in Law is one of them...they are 'different' supporters. In my opinion the negativity breeds from any aspect of the club dealings or teams/players performance as if they cannot walk through life with their head held high and face the banter from opposition supporters. This happens throughout our wonderful game but is now customary to slag Villa off by too many supporters. The percentage balance has changed..and it is not the club's fault. They are 'supporters' but drag the team down at times. It is very obvious, from the recent comments coming out of all corners of the club, that the General has passed on our critique and MON in particular has started praising rather that critising supporters -even though very few numbers have turned up to Villa Park thus far this season. I feel now that the negative feeling as subsided to a certain degree but we must have a stronger voice to make Villa Park a cauldron of noise to lift this team to greater hights. With the current economic climate fewer of us can afford to support the team at every game so wwe have greater responsibilty to be more vocal and accomodating for below par performances. NO BOOING PLEASE! MON has built a very strong squad which can now be tweaked in the ongoing transfer windows.....now is the time for Villa to kick on...i am sure of it.
Bangkok Villan
We all now have confirmation who the negative posters are on Vital Villa. During the last few weeks i have felt extremely embarrassed by the style and quality level of this GREAT website brought about by these so called fans. Like many others i have been at Villa Park down the years and witnessed many many times the moaners...in significant numbers, who never seem to be pleased. They always appear naturally unhappy about supporting Villa which i can never understand why. My Brother in Law is one of them...they are 'different' supporters. In my opinion the negativity breeds from any aspect of the club dealings or teams/players performance as if they cannot walk through life with their head held high and face the banter from opposition supporters. This happens throughout our wonderful game but is now customary to slag Villa off by too many supporters. The percentage balance has changed..and it is not the club's fault. They are 'supporters' but drag the team down at times. It is very obvious, from the recent comments coming out of all corners of the club, that the General has passed on our critique and MON in particular has started praising rather that critising supporters -even though very few numbers have turned up to Villa Park thus far this season. I feel now that the negative feeling as subsided to a certain degree but we must have a stronger voice to make Villa Park a cauldron of noise to lift this team to greater hights. With the current economic climate fewer of us can afford to support the team at every game so wwe have greater responsibilty to be more vocal and accomodating for below par performances. NO BOOING PLEASE! MON has built a very strong squad which can now be tweaked in the ongoing transfer windows.....now is the time for Villa to kick on...i am sure of it.
Bangkok Villan
well said - come on the villa boys
goodb_2
well said - come on the villa boys
goodb_2
I'm really glad to see more posts on here that reflect the positive, upbeat mood that I have to supporting the Villa. Picking up on the reverends' post (nice one, mate) those others seem like Puritans who live under a dark cloud of suspicion that someone somewhere is having fun supporting the Villa. And I agree with VofH's post that there are so many positive initiatives going on at the moment in difficult economic times that the least we can do as supporters is do our bit. We're not blind to the problems that still exist but the bottom-line is that moaning about it constantly makes the situation worse. Take the chance to support the club, give the players and management some encouragement. Sure, make your opinions known when stuff happens that you're not happy about but never at the expense of dragging the club down. It's still our club, they are our players and we should encourage them to better and better things in the future. Sing your hearts out for the lads!
AllanW
I'm really glad to see more posts on here that reflect the positive, upbeat mood that I have to supporting the Villa. Picking up on the reverends' post (nice one, mate) those others seem like Puritans who live under a dark cloud of suspicion that someone somewhere is having fun supporting the Villa. And I agree with VofH's post that there are so many positive initiatives going on at the moment in difficult economic times that the least we can do as supporters is do our bit. We're not blind to the problems that still exist but the bottom-line is that moaning about it constantly makes the situation worse. Take the chance to support the club, give the players and management some encouragement. Sure, make your opinions known when stuff happens that you're not happy about but never at the expense of dragging the club down. It's still our club, they are our players and we should encourage them to better and better things in the future. Sing your hearts out for the lads!
AllanW
welcome on board Rev!

Thing is it takes the opti's to post to counter the negi's and also good results help as admitted by GK in his thread recently! I also think the closing of the transfer window helps, it focuses minds on the football and the club instead of worrying about all the press links etc!
The Fear
welcome on board Rev!

Thing is it takes the opti's to post to counter the negi's and also good results help as admitted by GK in his thread recently! I also think the closing of the transfer window helps, it focuses minds on the football and the club instead of worrying about all the press links etc!
The Fear
Hey, you've all restored my faith in humanity! I was prepared for the worst in terms of a response as I usually stick my oar in and say the right thing in the wrong way. See you all against Portsmouth!
revdpete
Hey, you've all restored my faith in humanity! I was prepared for the worst in terms of a response as I usually stick my oar in and say the right thing in the wrong way. See you all against Portsmouth!
revdpete
Well, being a vicar, when you say 'keep the faith' we'll know you very much practice what you preach!
The Fear
Well, being a vicar, when you say 'keep the faith' we'll know you very much practice what you preach!
The Fear
VOTH and the various responses set out emphasise the positive reasons why Villa deserve everyone's support which I am sure we all agree with. Unfortunately just like MON has started praising fans instead of criticising them, there is a need to realise that moaning about the moaners just adds to the feelings of negativity on the site. As Mr Fear rightly says the need is for optimistic posts to win ove everyone by outnumbering the negative sentiments and concerns of others. Calling some less diehard fans a disgrace, should be ashamed of themselves and describing lesser attendeses as couldn't be arsed. You would be a marketing managers nightmare. If you want to build up support then emphasise the positive and don't throw in all the stuff about it not being the place to be - because that's what it reads like. However true, this is another form of negativity. You are not going to get those less avid fans reading your thread to respond positively by voicing your critical views of their support. Gathering support is all about what happens on the pitch plus a feelgood factor about how good it is to be a Villa fan. It is not about results on the pitch plus being told how rubbish the support is. Do not be negative. We are the best, and hopefully for all the positive reasons in your article, and with a buzz of confidence returning if results and performances go well there will be every opportunity for gates to turn upwards again. There are actually lots of reasons why fans do not turn out in the numbers VOTH and we all would like, and positive inducements and encouragement on and off the pitch is the way forward. Unfortunately though, I have made things worse by moaning about those who moan about the moaners!
stennyvilla
VOTH and the various responses set out emphasise the positive reasons why Villa deserve everyone's support which I am sure we all agree with. Unfortunately just like MON has started praising fans instead of criticising them, there is a need to realise that moaning about the moaners just adds to the feelings of negativity on the site. As Mr Fear rightly says the need is for optimistic posts to win ove everyone by outnumbering the negative sentiments and concerns of others. Calling some less diehard fans a disgrace, should be ashamed of themselves and describing lesser attendeses as couldn't be arsed. You would be a marketing managers nightmare. If you want to build up support then emphasise the positive and don't throw in all the stuff about it not being the place to be - because that's what it reads like. However true, this is another form of negativity. You are not going to get those less avid fans reading your thread to respond positively by voicing your critical views of their support. Gathering support is all about what happens on the pitch plus a feelgood factor about how good it is to be a Villa fan. It is not about results on the pitch plus being told how rubbish the support is. Do not be negative. We are the best, and hopefully for all the positive reasons in your article, and with a buzz of confidence returning if results and performances go well there will be every opportunity for gates to turn upwards again. There are actually lots of reasons why fans do not turn out in the numbers VOTH and we all would like, and positive inducements and encouragement on and off the pitch is the way forward. Unfortunately though, I have made things worse by moaning about those who moan about the moaners!
stennyvilla
stenny I do not understand your point at all. Are you saying that fans should be able to moan about the players and manager but not about the supporters? A football club is all about its supporters and they reflect the attitudes and perception of a club. Those that turn their back on the players 5 minutes before the end of a game that is live on TV, portray us a club with no passion, pride or feeling. The empty seats show us as poorly supported club, especially in light of all the positive things that the club are doing. Do I want to be portrayed that way. No. Are players inspired to join a club with support like that? No. Are they motivated to perform well in front of support like that? No. Infact often the opposite as players become frightened to make a mistake and confidence (the key ingredient to player performance) evaporates. So should we say something. I believe so. I have done it constructively. I haven't critisised the fans that support the club, only those who let us all down. We win together and we lose together. We genuinely can be the 12th man. However until we become that 12th man, until we all pull in the same direction, then we will be held back. This is not just a minor issue. I think it is probably one of the most important issues that we face as a club. So should all of us who do our utmost to give the players and managers the financial and vocal backing that they deserve, keep quiet about those who are dragging us down? Not a chance!!. You say I would be a marketing managers nightmare. Any marketing manager will tell you that to get your message across you have to keep delivering the same message. Reach and frequency is actually the term used. Very simply, tell the target audience as often as possible, what you want them to do. So forgive me if this bores you, but whilst we are not pulling our weight, I will keep highlighting this. It is vital to the development and future of our club and must stay front of mind. Be very clear, wishy washy support creates a wishy washy club. A team is a reflection of the support, not the other way around.
voiceoftheholte
stenny I do not understand your point at all. Are you saying that fans should be able to moan about the players and manager but not about the supporters? A football club is all about its supporters and they reflect the attitudes and perception of a club. Those that turn their back on the players 5 minutes before the end of a game that is live on TV, portray us a club with no passion, pride or feeling. The empty seats show us as poorly supported club, especially in light of all the positive things that the club are doing. Do I want to be portrayed that way. No. Are players inspired to join a club with support like that? No. Are they motivated to perform well in front of support like that? No. Infact often the opposite as players become frightened to make a mistake and confidence (the key ingredient to player performance) evaporates. So should we say something. I believe so. I have done it constructively. I haven't critisised the fans that support the club, only those who let us all down. We win together and we lose together. We genuinely can be the 12th man. However until we become that 12th man, until we all pull in the same direction, then we will be held back. This is not just a minor issue. I think it is probably one of the most important issues that we face as a club. So should all of us who do our utmost to give the players and managers the financial and vocal backing that they deserve, keep quiet about those who are dragging us down? Not a chance!!. You say I would be a marketing managers nightmare. Any marketing manager will tell you that to get your message across you have to keep delivering the same message. Reach and frequency is actually the term used. Very simply, tell the target audience as often as possible, what you want them to do. So forgive me if this bores you, but whilst we are not pulling our weight, I will keep highlighting this. It is vital to the development and future of our club and must stay front of mind. Be very clear, wishy washy support creates a wishy washy club. A team is a reflection of the support, not the other way around.
voiceoftheholte
some great points here but specifcally on the subject of new songs there's a great 'full' version of the Ashely Young song but for some reason most are only singing the verse "singing aye aye ashley ashley young" repeat to fade etc etc... Excusing the 2 swear words this is a Fantastic song the whole sing is actually as follows: He's over on the left and on the right Is it Sean Wright Phillips (No he's sh**e)! Is it Aran Lennon (NO Someone better tell 'em) Cus Ashely Young is ******* Dynamite (DYNAMITE) Singing Aye Aye Ashley Ashley Young Singing Aye Aye Ashley Ashley Young Singing Aye Aye Ashley Aye Aye Ashley Aye Aye Ashley Ashely Young come on lads it really ain't that hard really good song when heard properly!
JeffBeck-TheLeftSide
some great points here but specifcally on the subject of new songs there's a great 'full' version of the Ashely Young song but for some reason most are only singing the verse "singing aye aye ashley ashley young" repeat to fade etc etc... Excusing the 2 swear words this is a Fantastic song the whole sing is actually as follows: He's over on the left and on the right Is it Sean Wright Phillips (No he's sh**e)! Is it Aran Lennon (NO Someone better tell 'em) Cus Ashely Young is ******* Dynamite (DYNAMITE) Singing Aye Aye Ashley Ashley Young Singing Aye Aye Ashley Ashley Young Singing Aye Aye Ashley Aye Aye Ashley Aye Aye Ashley Ashely Young come on lads it really ain't that hard really good song when heard properly!
JeffBeck-TheLeftSide
We could have the best anthem in the world, but it wouldn't treally matter because not a single person in the Witton Lane or Trinity Road would actually sing it. You only hear them when someone commits the unforegiveable crime of making a stray pass. Getting behind your team is an alien concept to residents of those stands (other than Fear of course who bangs the boards as hard as he can).
voiceoftheholte
We could have the best anthem in the world, but it wouldn't treally matter because not a single person in the Witton Lane or Trinity Road would actually sing it. You only hear them when someone commits the unforegiveable crime of making a stray pass. Getting behind your team is an alien concept to residents of those stands (other than Fear of course who bangs the boards as hard as he can).
voiceoftheholte
There seems to be two Villa factions on this site. The VOTHers and the AVFC_48ers. Broadly speaking I'm in VOTH's camp. I believe in fair criticism of MON, the players and other Villans etc, whilst remembering that we're all Villans and all want the same thing, success. However, I wish some of the sniping at AVFC_48, Albernista, and Vital Villan/Mike_Field would stop. They are Villans not Bluenose infiltrators. Imagine how dull it would be if we all agreed on everything.
VillaWillRiseAgain
There seems to be two Villa factions on this site. The VOTHers and the AVFC_48ers. Broadly speaking I'm in VOTH's camp. I believe in fair criticism of MON, the players and other Villans etc, whilst remembering that we're all Villans and all want the same thing, success. However, I wish some of the sniping at AVFC_48, Albernista, and Vital Villan/Mike_Field would stop. They are Villans not Bluenose infiltrators. Imagine how dull it would be if we all agreed on everything.
VillaWillRiseAgain
VOTH just to clarify I could have split my critique. It is the Couldn't be arsed, pathetic, and not bothered description of your fellow fans who go to less than every game which I see no point in highlighting. DOL kept calling the fans fickle, and basically that's what you are saying. But every clubs fans are made up of a mix of fans aome of whio go to every game, some half the games, some just 2 or 3. It doesn't matter who they are they all add up, and I am sure there are many readers of this site who used to go as often as you do but feel as fervent as ever as Villa fans, but for whatever reason are not in a position to go as much as you or perhaps they would like. Roll on the years and you may still be there every game , or you may not, but it does not matter these are all Villa fans and I still believe some of the comments you make are counteproductive if they add tofurther cultivate the image of crap support. We have good support numerically and vocally. Having said all that and where I do want to clarify my position is regarding the negative support of fans at Villa Park when they do attend games, turn their back, boo, and leave 10 minutes before the end or stay and jeer. I agree wholeheartedly these fans deserve everyone's criticism, but all I am saying is in practise the need remains to drown them out with positive support at the matches and positive posts. As for "A team is a reflection of the support, not the other way around", it fundamentally and very clearly is a 2 way process. Anyway to end this post on a very positive note, may I wish all Villa fans of every view the very happiest of Sundays come this weekend. Blues 0 Villa 3 please.
stennyvilla
VOTH just to clarify I could have split my critique. It is the Couldn't be arsed, pathetic, and not bothered description of your fellow fans who go to less than every game which I see no point in highlighting. DOL kept calling the fans fickle, and basically that's what you are saying. But every clubs fans are made up of a mix of fans aome of whio go to every game, some half the games, some just 2 or 3. It doesn't matter who they are they all add up, and I am sure there are many readers of this site who used to go as often as you do but feel as fervent as ever as Villa fans, but for whatever reason are not in a position to go as much as you or perhaps they would like. Roll on the years and you may still be there every game , or you may not, but it does not matter these are all Villa fans and I still believe some of the comments you make are counteproductive if they add tofurther cultivate the image of crap support. We have good support numerically and vocally. Having said all that and where I do want to clarify my position is regarding the negative support of fans at Villa Park when they do attend games, turn their back, boo, and leave 10 minutes before the end or stay and jeer. I agree wholeheartedly these fans deserve everyone's criticism, but all I am saying is in practise the need remains to drown them out with positive support at the matches and positive posts. As for "A team is a reflection of the support, not the other way around", it fundamentally and very clearly is a 2 way process. Anyway to end this post on a very positive note, may I wish all Villa fans of every view the very happiest of Sundays come this weekend. Blues 0 Villa 3 please.
stennyvilla
I really, really wish that I could afford to travel to VP for every game, and away games too. If I did, I don't think that booing the lads or the management would enter my mind.
andy5759
I really, really wish that I could afford to travel to VP for every game, and away games too. If I did, I don't think that booing the lads or the management would enter my mind.
andy5759
Let's not argue. I think the article makes some very valid points, as does the response. A house divided against itself and all that. I was actually shocked by the negativity at Wigan, and some of the negativity on the board. I was equally shocked at the low attendance for the Vienna match when I was able to go with my Pops and Daughter for less than 30, and with the promise (an now reality) of another FREE game. I also agree with the comments made elsewhere that a winning team attracts people. I think what I find difficult is mates I know who come and forget what support is about. I've been there watching the lads against Luton in the snow with the match being so boring that a group of my friends decide to play cards instead! To go to one match this season and then run the team down, and say you'll never go again, that I find a bit "difficult" inside if I'm honest. And yes I have heard more than one person say that. Not everyone can afford it, for many it's not a priority. If my lass didn't like going I doubt I'd be able to pick her up from ballet and go to my other place of worship, and certainly money would probably go very usefully in other directions. It may be a choice for me later this season - Vill live or Sky sports. But I really don't think thats what VOTH article was about, and I think both of you are right! Blessed are the cheesemakers, oh no that was Monty Python wasn't it, anyway. Blues 2 - Villa 4 I don't have the faith we won't concede one at least! Come on you lads!
revdpete
Let's not argue. I think the article makes some very valid points, as does the response. A house divided against itself and all that. I was actually shocked by the negativity at Wigan, and some of the negativity on the board. I was equally shocked at the low attendance for the Vienna match when I was able to go with my Pops and Daughter for less than 30, and with the promise (an now reality) of another FREE game. I also agree with the comments made elsewhere that a winning team attracts people. I think what I find difficult is mates I know who come and forget what support is about. I've been there watching the lads against Luton in the snow with the match being so boring that a group of my friends decide to play cards instead! To go to one match this season and then run the team down, and say you'll never go again, that I find a bit "difficult" inside if I'm honest. And yes I have heard more than one person say that. Not everyone can afford it, for many it's not a priority. If my lass didn't like going I doubt I'd be able to pick her up from ballet and go to my other place of worship, and certainly money would probably go very usefully in other directions. It may be a choice for me later this season - Vill live or Sky sports. But I really don't think thats what VOTH article was about, and I think both of you are right! Blessed are the cheesemakers, oh no that was Monty Python wasn't it, anyway. Blues 2 - Villa 4 I don't have the faith we won't concede one at least! Come on you lads!
revdpete
 

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