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Villa Fan On The Start To The Season

avfc48 on the start to the season:

3 wins on the trot, top 4 beckons.

No?

Well if you watched it maybe not. Its accepted policy that when you are in the shit, you pick your best and most experienced players and resort to a defensive system

Well despite many fans crying out for a one up front system for some 12 months O'Neill kept to his own and we went a few games with even fewer wins. Fear of another slaughter at Anfield caused him to revert with one up front and it worked. Now I've watched the game 4 times, being the glutton for punishment I am and I still cannot believe we got away with it, but we did. Every player did their bit, obviously motivated by a game at Liverpool, perhaps with the booing at VP still fresh in their minds.

Davies and Cuellar who had played together only a few times and looked awful, were superb. Sidwell, and especially Coker were outstanding but all, Beye and Shorey included were remarkable Friedel, outstanding.

Against Vienna he reverted somewhat and it did not pay off, too many gaps between defence and midfield and midfield and forwards. He reverted again against Fulham a team renowned for their defensive tactics away from home and got lucky again. A superb corner from Young, met by Cuellar forced the Fulham defender trying to catch Gabby to deflect it into his net. Bit like the first goal at Liverpool. Then we sat back and expected Fulham to come on. We waited and waited but with no Murphy, and no first choice strikers poor Brad had a picnic in his goal mouth.

We created little, most 'attacks' coming from deep high balls, although of course we don't play long ball football, oh no, not us, which as a tactic against one of the tallest and best defenders in the PL seemed a little daft, especially with Carew and Heskey on the bench. It was boring, defensive football can be when played at home, especially when the opposition did sweet fa to change it, but effective we were certainly on top.

Then Gabby in one of his forays to get the ball got the ball, controlled it, ran with it and an ex Villan Hughes backed off probably because he knows Gabby tends to run out of ideas if he has to think about what to do.

No one became excited then Gabby on his weak foot, his left, shot and what a shot. 2-0, fully deserved, but we were awful. Clarke supported superbly by Cuellar and Beye, he can head a ball, did what was needed. He did go to ground a couple of times in the wrong places but we got away with it against a team with strikers maybe he won't be the England CB some think, I don't know, neither does anyone else.

Shorey I thought had a superb game, some of his passes to Young and Milner were outstanding, but again, Fulham were so compacted in the middle of the park he was rarely called upon to defend.

Petrov didn't look the business but did enough, Coker was superb, until he tired, obviously under instructions to run himself out, and Shorey did his bit. Milner worked hard but why all those high balls, managers instructions. He can do better, he did do better, one cross ball pass to Young would have made Barry weep (he's getting rave reviews at Man City you may have noticed), so why so many lame high balls, not once did he make the byline and cross, not once did he try to run on and shoot, sorry once he did.

For now the result counts, when we were so far ahead of most of the other teams last season, the more wins we get especially at places like Liverpool the better, because of course we usually collapse later in the season.

Luckily the forthcoming fixtures, now we are out of Europe are too bad until Chelsea, so there is plenty of scope to gather more points. The players looked unready for the season, the booing has woken the manager up allied to the swing in the media against him.




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The Journalist

Writer: avfc48 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday August 31 2009

Time: 4:24PM

Your Comments

Spuz and Arsenal have peaked too soon and will run out of energy. The luck which carried us up the table last year is back, but the current form won't get us anywhere near the top four, neither will our current squad.
Villan444
Spuz and Arsenal have peaked too soon and will run out of energy. The luck which carried us up the table last year is back, but the current form won't get us anywhere near the top four, neither will our current squad.
Villan444
It's great to know people enjoy supporting villa...
johnnyuk
It's great to know people enjoy supporting villa...
johnnyuk
The luck seems to come with the 4-5-1 formation maybe it's a numbers thing, more odd numbers in the formation is lucky
ant1ant1
The luck seems to come with the 4-5-1 formation maybe it's a numbers thing, more odd numbers in the formation is lucky
ant1ant1
Looked more like a 4-3-3 to me yesterday given how high up the pitch Ash and Milner spent most of the game.....hardly defensive, just not 4-4-2. Cheer up luv.
YatesyVillain
Looked more like a 4-3-3 to me yesterday given how high up the pitch Ash and Milner spent most of the game.....hardly defensive, just not 4-4-2. Cheer up luv.
YatesyVillain
Anyone who went will tell you how boring it was . Only Villa can score two with one shot on target ! Nothing wrong with 451 but Petrov Coker and Sidwell they hardly set the pulses racing do they?
villan57
Anyone who went will tell you how boring it was . Only Villa can score two with one shot on target ! Nothing wrong with 451 but Petrov Coker and Sidwell they hardly set the pulses racing do they?
villan57
its not luck - its the fact we have two of the best wingers in england , and when played in this formation they are putting balls into the box at such pace it scares defences into making mistakes.
goodb_2
its not luck - its the fact we have two of the best wingers in england , and when played in this formation they are putting balls into the box at such pace it scares defences into making mistakes.
goodb_2
No, but teams can't play straight through us either, and we pull them onto us more which creates room for our three speedy attacking players, I agree it is not thrilling but it works for the players we have. When we buy world class centre mids we can play 4-4-2, surely that will be soon, if only the window closed on 2.9.09, damn
ant1ant1
No, but teams can't play straight through us either, and we pull them onto us more which creates room for our three speedy attacking players, I agree it is not thrilling but it works for the players we have. When we buy world class centre mids we can play 4-4-2, surely that will be soon, if only the window closed on 2.9.09, damn
ant1ant1
I note the headline had to tell us this article was from a Villa Fan, otherwise how would we have known? I've never seen so many digs at Villa players wrapped up in what is supposed to be 'analysis'. I could accept, and maybe agree, the points about our tactics, but why does your every post have to contain lines such as "maybe he won't be the England CB some think"? Why do you have to belittle a player who isn't, as far as I can tell, blowing his own trumpet? You are right: nobody knows whether he will be an England CB yet. Why do you have to use that as a rod to beat him with. Well, we all know why, don't we, and it's the reason I actually detest your posts. Nothing about our players, or our team, is worth anything to you if it gets between you and your goal of destroying the manager. That your article is critical of O'Neill is fine. That you use Villa players and the Villa team as ammunition in your blind hatred is quite another. Get a life, man.
BobTheBuilder
I note the headline had to tell us this article was from a Villa Fan, otherwise how would we have known? I've never seen so many digs at Villa players wrapped up in what is supposed to be 'analysis'. I could accept, and maybe agree, the points about our tactics, but why does your every post have to contain lines such as "maybe he won't be the England CB some think"? Why do you have to belittle a player who isn't, as far as I can tell, blowing his own trumpet? You are right: nobody knows whether he will be an England CB yet. Why do you have to use that as a rod to beat him with. Well, we all know why, don't we, and it's the reason I actually detest your posts. Nothing about our players, or our team, is worth anything to you if it gets between you and your goal of destroying the manager. That your article is critical of O'Neill is fine. That you use Villa players and the Villa team as ammunition in your blind hatred is quite another. Get a life, man.
BobTheBuilder
Maybe that's because it's his opinion Bob, and he's entitled to it. On Clark especially I disagree completely but that's my opinion. But in defense, maybe it's not an attempt to belittle the playet, maybe it's an attempt to calm down expectations as people are already thinking he can be our 3rd choice centre back for this season. I'm a fan, but he's far from ready for 3rd choice like others think.
mike_field
Maybe that's because it's his opinion Bob, and he's entitled to it. On Clark especially I disagree completely but that's my opinion. But in defense, maybe it's not an attempt to belittle the playet, maybe it's an attempt to calm down expectations as people are already thinking he can be our 3rd choice centre back for this season. I'm a fan, but he's far from ready for 3rd choice like others think.
mike_field
Allan you're not getting it. Debate the points not the poster. If you disagree, you are free to offer your own article which will be published if you think there's a lack of balance. But attacking posters regardless of their opinion is not tolerated.
mike_field
Allan you're not getting it. Debate the points not the poster. If you disagree, you are free to offer your own article which will be published if you think there's a lack of balance. But attacking posters regardless of their opinion is not tolerated.
mike_field
48 is negative, but that is his style. I would personally take a more positive slant on things. Wigan and Fulham at home and redscouse away, last season yielded 2 points and we failed to score whilst we conceded 5. This season the same fixtures have yielded 4 more points and a goal difference of +2. I actually believe we will push on and do better than last season, being out of Europe helps (although it was painful to get knocked out). This is providing we get a decent centre half or 2. However I have to have my traditional knock at our support. Again it was pathetic. 10,000 empty seats is a disgrace and the atmosphere (or lack of)actually diminishes the entertainment. Why would any decent player want to play in frony of such an unappreciative audience as ours??? Why?? Fans come on here saying "buy this player and buy that player". But it is us that are actually holding the club back. Until we learn to make Villa Park an enjoyable place to watch football we are doomed to be also rans.
voiceoftheholte
48 is negative, but that is his style. I would personally take a more positive slant on things. Wigan and Fulham at home and redscouse away, last season yielded 2 points and we failed to score whilst we conceded 5. This season the same fixtures have yielded 4 more points and a goal difference of +2. I actually believe we will push on and do better than last season, being out of Europe helps (although it was painful to get knocked out). This is providing we get a decent centre half or 2. However I have to have my traditional knock at our support. Again it was pathetic. 10,000 empty seats is a disgrace and the atmosphere (or lack of)actually diminishes the entertainment. Why would any decent player want to play in frony of such an unappreciative audience as ours??? Why?? Fans come on here saying "buy this player and buy that player". But it is us that are actually holding the club back. Until we learn to make Villa Park an enjoyable place to watch football we are doomed to be also rans.
voiceoftheholte
What on earth is that? You couldn't be any more negative about the team you support if you tried. "and got lucky again. A superb corner from Young, met by Cuellar" probably by favourite bit. We got lucky but the corner was superb? As was Gabbys goal? Right....
Villa4Europe
What on earth is that? You couldn't be any more negative about the team you support if you tried. "and got lucky again. A superb corner from Young, met by Cuellar" probably by favourite bit. We got lucky but the corner was superb? As was Gabbys goal? Right....
Villa4Europe
Thanks for the pointer mike_field, much appreciated. And I do understand the 'play the ball not the man' argument but (you knew there was gonna be a 'but' didn't you?) it would take far more time and effort to debunk the noxious drivel that avfc48 spews than I have to spare and that, frankly, he warrants. He is productive, full of endeavour and tireless in waging his war against MON; I can't compete against that because as I said on another thread, I have a life. But here's the thing; I see his effect as being a net detraction not only from this site but from the Villa. He may claim that because he pays for a ticket or buys the shirt he is entitled to his opinion and if he had more than one opinion I might listen but he doesn't. He treats any money he gives to the Villa as a licence to crap on them, a licence to vomit bile incessantly and without discrimination. So an balance I'd love the club to refund his money and tell him not to associate himself in any way whaysoever with the club the rest of us love; that might be the best response. ''We would rather you were not any part of this club at all, thanks and here's your money back.' I repeat; he may call himself a fan but he is no supporter.
AllanW
Thanks for the pointer mike_field, much appreciated. And I do understand the 'play the ball not the man' argument but (you knew there was gonna be a 'but' didn't you?) it would take far more time and effort to debunk the noxious drivel that avfc48 spews than I have to spare and that, frankly, he warrants. He is productive, full of endeavour and tireless in waging his war against MON; I can't compete against that because as I said on another thread, I have a life. But here's the thing; I see his effect as being a net detraction not only from this site but from the Villa. He may claim that because he pays for a ticket or buys the shirt he is entitled to his opinion and if he had more than one opinion I might listen but he doesn't. He treats any money he gives to the Villa as a licence to crap on them, a licence to vomit bile incessantly and without discrimination. So an balance I'd love the club to refund his money and tell him not to associate himself in any way whaysoever with the club the rest of us love; that might be the best response. ''We would rather you were not any part of this club at all, thanks and here's your money back.' I repeat; he may call himself a fan but he is no supporter.
AllanW
Voiceoftheholte, by definition an entity creates/attracts fans, fans don't create/attract an entity, the club need to create a better brand by communicating better with the fans and more intelligent use of the media and buying some exciting players, the fans will turn up in droves and be up not down, the silence or riddles (not sure which is worse) creates apathy, the waiting until the last minute to make mundane signings creates frustration, fans are easily pleased, Spurs fans are delerious, this may be missed placed, but the feel good factor at spurs was not created by the fans it was created by the club
ant1ant1
Voiceoftheholte, by definition an entity creates/attracts fans, fans don't create/attract an entity, the club need to create a better brand by communicating better with the fans and more intelligent use of the media and buying some exciting players, the fans will turn up in droves and be up not down, the silence or riddles (not sure which is worse) creates apathy, the waiting until the last minute to make mundane signings creates frustration, fans are easily pleased, Spurs fans are delerious, this may be missed placed, but the feel good factor at spurs was not created by the fans it was created by the club
ant1ant1
Also the 'Toon army are supposedly the greatest fans on the planet (self proclaimed I know) but the media still buy into it, and they are sh#te, why, because the club is badly ran, Man U fans apparently spend most of the match eating prawn sandwichs but the club is successful, why, the club is well run.
ant1ant1
Also the 'Toon army are supposedly the greatest fans on the planet (self proclaimed I know) but the media still buy into it, and they are sh#te, why, because the club is badly ran, Man U fans apparently spend most of the match eating prawn sandwichs but the club is successful, why, the club is well run.
ant1ant1
No probs Allan, I appreciate the power of the 'but' aswell lol But that's your opinion because he holds a completely different opinion to you and others, and at points me. If 5 of the posters who hold different views to 48 spent 10 minutes penning their thoughts, this frontpage would be full of a positive spin wouldn't it. He also like others has never been sold on Monny but it's his opinion and he's entitled to it. Just like those who are sold on Monny are also given a platform to air their views when they send in a submission. We can't censor one way or another, and personally I disagree with a lot of the above, but I also agree with some of it.

Speaking personally again I think it would be relatively easy, like all opinion pieces, to tear it apart when using opinions from the other side and that's to be welcomed. But the bottomline is, he's entitled to his opinion, just as you are yours and everyone else is. But there's no need to get into who is the better supporter, personal abuse, whether somebody should stay away because they want more for their club etc. That serves no benefit in my mind.
mike_field
No probs Allan, I appreciate the power of the 'but' aswell lol But that's your opinion because he holds a completely different opinion to you and others, and at points me. If 5 of the posters who hold different views to 48 spent 10 minutes penning their thoughts, this frontpage would be full of a positive spin wouldn't it. He also like others has never been sold on Monny but it's his opinion and he's entitled to it. Just like those who are sold on Monny are also given a platform to air their views when they send in a submission. We can't censor one way or another, and personally I disagree with a lot of the above, but I also agree with some of it.

Speaking personally again I think it would be relatively easy, like all opinion pieces, to tear it apart when using opinions from the other side and that's to be welcomed. But the bottomline is, he's entitled to his opinion, just as you are yours and everyone else is. But there's no need to get into who is the better supporter, personal abuse, whether somebody should stay away because they want more for their club etc. That serves no benefit in my mind.
mike_field
Well that's a good point ant1ant1 but if I may say so, incomplete. It's a two-way relationship; the onus is not just on the club to set the terms and make the progress, We can help. And I don't just mean with money although that sure helps. I mean that we can help the club; we can give honest feedbakc. We can tell them when they are doing great things as well as stuff we don;t agree with. There are many fora and methods of doing this as we all know from the dark days of Ellis. But more than that, we have a responsibility to ourselves to do it right because it's a part of who we are if we support the club for anything other than just results and trophies (those people are rightly scorned as glory-hunters). The Villa is a part of us, who we are, where we grew up, what we see of ourselves and how we want the rest of the world to see us. I follow the Villa and have done since I was a kid and am especially proud now of the results the club is achieving from the facilities, the Board, the people it employs and how it conducts itself as well as the results on the park. I want people to see that I value and exhibit loyalty, steadfastness and good values over the long term and not just want trophies. Others may be different but the club now is making me more proud than I have been in a decade. Others seem to want to carp and criticise constantly no matter what the result, no matter what the effort and skill being expended. They are not Villa supporters.
AllanW
Well that's a good point ant1ant1 but if I may say so, incomplete. It's a two-way relationship; the onus is not just on the club to set the terms and make the progress, We can help. And I don't just mean with money although that sure helps. I mean that we can help the club; we can give honest feedbakc. We can tell them when they are doing great things as well as stuff we don;t agree with. There are many fora and methods of doing this as we all know from the dark days of Ellis. But more than that, we have a responsibility to ourselves to do it right because it's a part of who we are if we support the club for anything other than just results and trophies (those people are rightly scorned as glory-hunters). The Villa is a part of us, who we are, where we grew up, what we see of ourselves and how we want the rest of the world to see us. I follow the Villa and have done since I was a kid and am especially proud now of the results the club is achieving from the facilities, the Board, the people it employs and how it conducts itself as well as the results on the park. I want people to see that I value and exhibit loyalty, steadfastness and good values over the long term and not just want trophies. Others may be different but the club now is making me more proud than I have been in a decade. Others seem to want to carp and criticise constantly no matter what the result, no matter what the effort and skill being expended. They are not Villa supporters.
AllanW
I agree we have to do our bit and support, 100% on match day, and with many of the other points and ways you talk about, it is a 2 way thing, I just wanted a bit of balance to the idea the club will never be any good and it is the fans fault, we are not holding the club back, the fans are desperate to get behind the team, but the club is frustrating the fans at the moment, the club are not media savvy, we don't strike when the iron is hot, we dither and the dog must wag the tail, if the tail is expected to wag the dog, it is due to spin to paper over failings, But like I said earlier, you are right about probably being louder when moaning rather than when happy, I'll try to address that, there are lots of things to be happy about, the Acorns support for one, it is mainly frustration for me as I feel we are doing well but the one or to things we need extra for that last push seem obvious and attainable so I feel a need to shout about them
ant1ant1
I agree we have to do our bit and support, 100% on match day, and with many of the other points and ways you talk about, it is a 2 way thing, I just wanted a bit of balance to the idea the club will never be any good and it is the fans fault, we are not holding the club back, the fans are desperate to get behind the team, but the club is frustrating the fans at the moment, the club are not media savvy, we don't strike when the iron is hot, we dither and the dog must wag the tail, if the tail is expected to wag the dog, it is due to spin to paper over failings, But like I said earlier, you are right about probably being louder when moaning rather than when happy, I'll try to address that, there are lots of things to be happy about, the Acorns support for one, it is mainly frustration for me as I feel we are doing well but the one or to things we need extra for that last push seem obvious and attainable so I feel a need to shout about them
ant1ant1
Mike, I'd like to say that I for one don't want this site to be "full of positive spin". I just wish that we could discuss our owner, our manager and our team without the hidden (but blatantly obvious) agenda that appears in posts from one or two regulars. It is the constant drip, drip that is so irritating. I'm not suggesting that they don't have points to make, but you and I both know that in amongst those points will be statements worthy of politicians, with no basis in truth. Stuff such as "none of O'Neill's transfers are any good" (wtf is Ashley Young then?) or the talk of "managers instructions" to Milner, above (so when Milner missed an open goal was that down to instructions from O'Neill too?) Some points are open to discussion, but others are clearly nothing more than what the poster WANTS to believe, and what he is determined to persuade others to believe, even though there is not a shred of evidence to suggest it is anything other than his own bile leaking through. In short (lol) let's have a decent debate without the underlying agenda, then maybe you'll see fewer 'over the ball' incidents on here ...
BobTheBuilder
Mike, I'd like to say that I for one don't want this site to be "full of positive spin". I just wish that we could discuss our owner, our manager and our team without the hidden (but blatantly obvious) agenda that appears in posts from one or two regulars. It is the constant drip, drip that is so irritating. I'm not suggesting that they don't have points to make, but you and I both know that in amongst those points will be statements worthy of politicians, with no basis in truth. Stuff such as "none of O'Neill's transfers are any good" (wtf is Ashley Young then?) or the talk of "managers instructions" to Milner, above (so when Milner missed an open goal was that down to instructions from O'Neill too?) Some points are open to discussion, but others are clearly nothing more than what the poster WANTS to believe, and what he is determined to persuade others to believe, even though there is not a shred of evidence to suggest it is anything other than his own bile leaking through. In short (lol) let's have a decent debate without the underlying agenda, then maybe you'll see fewer 'over the ball' incidents on here ...
BobTheBuilder
Being all positive would be a non-site. There is always potential for improvement. Being overly critical all the time is obviously no good. There is a need for balance. Creating the positivity however must largely come from the club and its performances, and we have had a massive positive buzz in days gone by including as recently as the first half of last season. It was the haywire results and performances of 2009 plus the M word that split the camp to some degree and the lack of MON's willingness to address bad performances by picking players in form. There will be many views how good one player is over another and we are all entitled to a view. However, I have seen next to no criticism on the issue of whether Carew is a good leader of the line. He is a goalscorer who is in form, yet he is continually squeezed out. One wonder goal from Gabby seems to count for 10 Carew goals in MONs mind and this attitude does cause me problems. 4 -5-1 may be the way forward, but 4-4-2 has not been proven to fail in my mind. Heskey and Gabby don't work together or with Carew, but the real classic big man little man (centre forward and inside forward) (modern version of Withe and Shaw) has yet to be given a decent run and it seems never will. The Fonz is a proven hot prospect until unproven, but the evidence to date is in his favour. You cannot score many goals with a non-instinctive over and indecisive 6 yard box player who is best running from distance or out wide. I need to be shown either that the Fonz and Carew are not the players I think they are, or, that Gabby is a striker. I have not been shown either. Finally, some are critical of constant negativity from certain fans, but are themselves continually critical of our supporters comments or are poor attendances - such as 32,000 against Fulham. If you want to build up the feel good factor it includes building up and concentrating on how great the fans are not how bad. The glory days of gaining a throw-in in our own half and the fans setting the stadium alight with a roar all around the ground that transported itself to the pitch came from the good vibes the fans felt about themselves as well as the club and the direction it was going. Certain things have currently upset this balance and hopefully the performances on the pitch can get us all together remarkably soon. Players who play well should be in the team. Players who consistently do not deliver should not be in the team. Youngsters should be given opportunities to show how good they are. AV48 got it spot on in my view in terms of the attacking merits of our performance against Fulham. Others may differ, but he is a Villa fan who feels Villa and deserves respect for his opinions like anyone else. To criticise anything he writes with knee-jerk rejection is unhelpful to a positive discussion on this site and our editors are right in defending him from unfair criticism, although he is well used to it. I for one agree that take away an own goal and one glorious Gabby shot which would normally have been closed down and you get the 0 0 draw the match probably deserved, even though Villa were clearly the better team. It worries me that that result and the over-hype of the goal will continue to cement non exciting, non-scoring and unsuccessful performances in the weeks to come. Hopefully, away from home at the Sty 4-5-1 will work and it will be a big step forward for everyone to turn them well and truly over again. Cuellar was a massive plus on Sunday, and just like Petrov turned the fans around he can too.
stennyvilla
Being all positive would be a non-site. There is always potential for improvement. Being overly critical all the time is obviously no good. There is a need for balance. Creating the positivity however must largely come from the club and its performances, and we have had a massive positive buzz in days gone by including as recently as the first half of last season. It was the haywire results and performances of 2009 plus the M word that split the camp to some degree and the lack of MON's willingness to address bad performances by picking players in form. There will be many views how good one player is over another and we are all entitled to a view. However, I have seen next to no criticism on the issue of whether Carew is a good leader of the line. He is a goalscorer who is in form, yet he is continually squeezed out. One wonder goal from Gabby seems to count for 10 Carew goals in MONs mind and this attitude does cause me problems. 4 -5-1 may be the way forward, but 4-4-2 has not been proven to fail in my mind. Heskey and Gabby don't work together or with Carew, but the real classic big man little man (centre forward and inside forward) (modern version of Withe and Shaw) has yet to be given a decent run and it seems never will. The Fonz is a proven hot prospect until unproven, but the evidence to date is in his favour. You cannot score many goals with a non-instinctive over and indecisive 6 yard box player who is best running from distance or out wide. I need to be shown either that the Fonz and Carew are not the players I think they are, or, that Gabby is a striker. I have not been shown either. Finally, some are critical of constant negativity from certain fans, but are themselves continually critical of our supporters comments or are poor attendances - such as 32,000 against Fulham. If you want to build up the feel good factor it includes building up and concentrating on how great the fans are not how bad. The glory days of gaining a throw-in in our own half and the fans setting the stadium alight with a roar all around the ground that transported itself to the pitch came from the good vibes the fans felt about themselves as well as the club and the direction it was going. Certain things have currently upset this balance and hopefully the performances on the pitch can get us all together remarkably soon. Players who play well should be in the team. Players who consistently do not deliver should not be in the team. Youngsters should be given opportunities to show how good they are. AV48 got it spot on in my view in terms of the attacking merits of our performance against Fulham. Others may differ, but he is a Villa fan who feels Villa and deserves respect for his opinions like anyone else. To criticise anything he writes with knee-jerk rejection is unhelpful to a positive discussion on this site and our editors are right in defending him from unfair criticism, although he is well used to it. I for one agree that take away an own goal and one glorious Gabby shot which would normally have been closed down and you get the 0 0 draw the match probably deserved, even though Villa were clearly the better team. It worries me that that result and the over-hype of the goal will continue to cement non exciting, non-scoring and unsuccessful performances in the weeks to come. Hopefully, away from home at the Sty 4-5-1 will work and it will be a big step forward for everyone to turn them well and truly over again. Cuellar was a massive plus on Sunday, and just like Petrov turned the fans around he can too.
stennyvilla
Bob, I see where you're coming from but I can apply it the other side of the fence aswell. There are those who don't see or won't acknowledge the problems at the club, with tactics etc etc. So whilst you feel like your banging your head against a wall with those who clearly want him out, those of us on the other side of the fence feel the same when we are constantly told to 'trust' and there's always an excuse for idiotic choices.

Keeps life interesting though, and we are here for opinions and that's what we all get whether we agree or not - just all sides need to lose the personal aspects. The point you say about Milner's manager instructions, I'd say that was an assumption with how ineffective we are down the right side because the ball predominantly always goes back to the middle to get it out to Ash. There may be no proof, but our play for the most part bears out the idea that the plan is to get the ball to Ash at all times. Again it's an opinion, opinions don't always need to be fact or have proof. If it's honestly held, then it's worthy for debate.

Stenny - good post, but there's plenty of discussion about 451-442 and Carew on the forums. Bottom line is our squad suits 451, it plays to all our strengths and helps cover our weaknesses. 442 doesn't because non of our forwards appear to be able to work on the same wavelength. Having Heskey, then having Owen available I thought was a no brainer because they can work together, until we either get a big man who can feed Gabby, or a runner who can estimate Carew's flick ons 451 is the safest bet.
mike_field
Bob, I see where you're coming from but I can apply it the other side of the fence aswell. There are those who don't see or won't acknowledge the problems at the club, with tactics etc etc. So whilst you feel like your banging your head against a wall with those who clearly want him out, those of us on the other side of the fence feel the same when we are constantly told to 'trust' and there's always an excuse for idiotic choices.

Keeps life interesting though, and we are here for opinions and that's what we all get whether we agree or not - just all sides need to lose the personal aspects. The point you say about Milner's manager instructions, I'd say that was an assumption with how ineffective we are down the right side because the ball predominantly always goes back to the middle to get it out to Ash. There may be no proof, but our play for the most part bears out the idea that the plan is to get the ball to Ash at all times. Again it's an opinion, opinions don't always need to be fact or have proof. If it's honestly held, then it's worthy for debate.

Stenny - good post, but there's plenty of discussion about 451-442 and Carew on the forums. Bottom line is our squad suits 451, it plays to all our strengths and helps cover our weaknesses. 442 doesn't because non of our forwards appear to be able to work on the same wavelength. Having Heskey, then having Owen available I thought was a no brainer because they can work together, until we either get a big man who can feed Gabby, or a runner who can estimate Carew's flick ons 451 is the safest bet.
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