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Messiah Makes Mistakes !

article submission from astvil123

God himself makes mistakes ... but when will he fix them?

We all know Martin O'Neill is one of the greatest managers in Aston Villa's history; what he has done for this club is truly magnificent. However, you do have to feel that he is occasionally making mistakes at such crucial moments in the season.

We have a great squad and therefore have a great starting eleven; but only when MON gets his team selections right. He seems to like adapting players to play in more than one position but surely it is starting to backfire on him now?

Luke Young - Naturally a right-back - often plays at left-back despite not enjoying that position.
Carlos Cuellar - Naturally a centre-half - often played at right-back last season.
Nigel Reo-Coker - A motivating crunch tackling central midfielder who is now needed in the middle - often played at right-back or just left on the bench without even coming on when needed.
The list goes on for the likes of Gardner and Agbonlahor.

However, surely the idea of having players who can adapt to multiple positions is so they can do IF NEEDED. Yet in the first game against Wigan, towards to end of the second half when we needed to attack, we had James Milner playing at right-back? And I often look at the team and see a big front target man who is extremely slow and can't cross or shoot (Emile Heskey) playing on the left wing?

MON really is a great manager, no doubt, but he really does pick some strange line-ups that cost him!

e.g. Last night. Fabian Delph failed to impress against Wigan, yet he was started ahead of Nigel Reo-Coker and Steve Sidwell AGAIN despite NRC and the Ginger Ninja playing out of their skins at Anfield!

Also Emile Heskey was not only played ahead of Agbonlahor last night, but he was also played which again changed the formation to a 4-4-2. We were 2-0 up and Vienna were looking dangerous and I know MON is a great manager but I'm sorry, after Carew scored he should have taken Heskey and Delph off and brought on Reo-Coker and Sidwell; resulting in a change of formation to 4-5-1. This was a basic tactic that should have been used to keep the game tight and see out the final 20 minutes or so and we would now be in the draw for the group stage. But we kept Heskey and Delph on until it was too late.

Then you have to look at the transfers, (Warnock and Dunne) great signings! Absolutely fantastic! Just one problem though, if they were bought in for the start of pre-season we would have been better against Wigan and Rapid Vienna in both legs. Yet again MON being slow in the market has proved great for the quality he has signed but the timing of the deals is absolutely abysmal! It has really cost us!

He should start getting things right from now on by getting the right team out on the pitch against Fulham and going all out for 4th place this year.

(The lineup MON SHOULD use for Fulham) - Friedel, Beye, Cuellar, Dunne, Warnock, Milner, Petrov, Reo-Coker, Sidwell, Young, Carew, (Formation: 4-4-1-1 with Ash in a free role)

(The lineup MON WILL most likely use for Fulham) - Friedel, Beye, Cuellar, Dunne, Shorey, Milner, Petrov, Delph, Young, Heskey, Carew, (Formation: 4-4-2 with Heskey, Shorey and Delph costing us the chance of a home win)

MON is a great manager but he really does lack that sense of urgency needed for him to improve and improve our performances. He needs to be quicker at making subs and transfers and stop messing with a winning team!

I think the man is great and done very well for this club! But a good manger knows when to make a sub, knows when to play the in form players, when to play the right formation and knows that players need to be brought in before the season begins.

Anyway, onwards and upwards and whoever takes to the field will have Villa's backing! Bring on Fulham! UTV!!!




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Writer: astvil123 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday August 28 2009

Time: 1:42PM

Your Comments

not a job I'd like, I am sure I'd be dead in a week with all the variables and pressure...!
The Fear
not a job I'd like, I am sure I'd be dead in a week with all the variables and pressure...!
The Fear
you dont think warnock will start?
shortshadyuk
you dont think warnock will start?
shortshadyuk
what do you base the statement we all know MON is one of the greatest managers in Villa's history ? He isn't in the top 10 sonny!
villan57
what do you base the statement we all know MON is one of the greatest managers in Villa's history ? He isn't in the top 10 sonny!
villan57
I honestly don't think he will start Warnock at left back. However if we fail to get Dunne signed up for this game then I'm sure he will be used in the middle to replace Davies.
astvil123
I honestly don't think he will start Warnock at left back. However if we fail to get Dunne signed up for this game then I'm sure he will be used in the middle to replace Davies.
astvil123
"...MON really is a great manager, no doubt, but he really does pick some strange line-ups that cost him!..." So basically not a great manager at all.
Kiwivillan
"...MON really is a great manager, no doubt, but he really does pick some strange line-ups that cost him!..." So basically not a great manager at all.
Kiwivillan
As controversial as this may sound to some Villa fans, Delph wasnít the problem in the centre last night, Petrov was. I donít think Petrov has the speed or energy to play in a 2 man midfield. Stick him in a 3 any day, but MON continues to stick with the 442 at home then something has to be done to stop the opposition having a free run at the defence.
Bendeco
As controversial as this may sound to some Villa fans, Delph wasnít the problem in the centre last night, Petrov was. I donít think Petrov has the speed or energy to play in a 2 man midfield. Stick him in a 3 any day, but MON continues to stick with the 442 at home then something has to be done to stop the opposition having a free run at the defence.
Bendeco
OK look, I am gutted by the result last night and the Wigan result but we have to stop 2nd guessing. MON does not play, Young missed from 12 yards not MON, the players missed numerous other chances. This is a very long season with still a couple of cups to play for. I have questions as well, but it looks as though the signings are coming, the performances getting better and hope is returning. I think we should rally around the team and become the 12th man as opposed to climing on the players and the manager after 4 games in the season.
NY Villa
OK look, I am gutted by the result last night and the Wigan result but we have to stop 2nd guessing. MON does not play, Young missed from 12 yards not MON, the players missed numerous other chances. This is a very long season with still a couple of cups to play for. I have questions as well, but it looks as though the signings are coming, the performances getting better and hope is returning. I think we should rally around the team and become the 12th man as opposed to climing on the players and the manager after 4 games in the season.
NY Villa
"We all know Martin O'Neill is one of the greatest managers in Aston Villa's history" Hmm.. Highest profile maybe, greatest? Hmm..... "what he has done for this club is truly magnificent." Unless there is a degree of irony with your statement, what exactly has he done that can be regarded as magnificent? "MON really is a great manager, no doubt, but he really does pick some strange line-ups that cost him!" I think he's got a way to go before he can be regarded as "great", certainly by the fans of Villa(!) "Then you have to look at the transfers, (Warnock and Dunne) great signings! Absolutely fantastic!" Dunne hasn't signed anything yet! ;) "MON is a great manager but he really does lack that sense of urgency needed for him to improve and improve our performances. He needs to be quicker at making subs and transfers and stop messing with a winning team!" Agree with the sense of urgency point and the messing with what works. "I think the man is great and done very well for this club! But a good manger knows when to make a sub, knows when to play the in form players, when to play the right formation and knows that players need to be brought in before the season begins." Surely he's "good" or average rather than "great" in that case?
MGRVilla
"We all know Martin O'Neill is one of the greatest managers in Aston Villa's history" Hmm.. Highest profile maybe, greatest? Hmm..... "what he has done for this club is truly magnificent." Unless there is a degree of irony with your statement, what exactly has he done that can be regarded as magnificent? "MON really is a great manager, no doubt, but he really does pick some strange line-ups that cost him!" I think he's got a way to go before he can be regarded as "great", certainly by the fans of Villa(!) "Then you have to look at the transfers, (Warnock and Dunne) great signings! Absolutely fantastic!" Dunne hasn't signed anything yet! ;) "MON is a great manager but he really does lack that sense of urgency needed for him to improve and improve our performances. He needs to be quicker at making subs and transfers and stop messing with a winning team!" Agree with the sense of urgency point and the messing with what works. "I think the man is great and done very well for this club! But a good manger knows when to make a sub, knows when to play the in form players, when to play the right formation and knows that players need to be brought in before the season begins." Surely he's "good" or average rather than "great" in that case?
MGRVilla
villan 57 totally agree. its not long ago that gregory, little and big ron were doing far greater things than mon has achieved. i'm not one of the sack him brigade but have always thought he is overhyped. were 5th in the all time premier league table so what he has apparently achieved with us isnt something that were not already accustomed to. and i know we went from 16th to 6th but i think 6th is the minimum target for any villa manager. Also to get past round 4 of a cup competition would usually be a pre requisit!
themightyatom
villan 57 totally agree. its not long ago that gregory, little and big ron were doing far greater things than mon has achieved. i'm not one of the sack him brigade but have always thought he is overhyped. were 5th in the all time premier league table so what he has apparently achieved with us isnt something that were not already accustomed to. and i know we went from 16th to 6th but i think 6th is the minimum target for any villa manager. Also to get past round 4 of a cup competition would usually be a pre requisit!
themightyatom
The problem at RB is that Beye looks Shakey to me, and Shorely cannot pass at all !! always losing the ball. Cueller played very well last night, and in all honesty we should of lost the game by the amount of clear cut chances they had, also every time the ball goes into the box i think they will score, it was worrying times, i agree with you they should of changed formation to a 4-5-1 and took off Delph and Heskey i said it myself, It's very basic stuff and the man is getting paid millions a year to do this job, Dunne and Warnock should of been completed ages ago, and players arent coming to us because they think we lack ambition. Surely buying Hangeland and Sneijder for 30m would of been fantastic signings, and lets be honest we have a BILLIONAIRE; ok i accept we are no Chelski or Man City but we sell players before we buy, also if we get 50 odd million a year from TV revenue alone, how come we have only spent about 8m this transfer window not including the Barry 12m, Knight 4-5m, when we buy Dunne it will go up to about 14m we have spent this summer, people say Lerner digs out of his own pocket for the club but i say thats absolutely bs, we have recieved over 130m on TV revenue since he took the helm, i hate being negative but Lerner is't the messiah everyone makes him out to be, he is a business man who looks to make huge profit off us, its an easy investment when you have someone like MON in charge and happy to buy Championship players.
Villa 4 Ever
I'm getting fed up with all this nonsense talk.. now the squad is looking a bit better as far as strength in depth is concerned, no one seems to be happy ever with the team selection... if NRC is played some will ask why as "he can't pass the ball" or any other good reason, and if he isn't played others wonder why. Same about Gabby, Sidwell, Delph, Shorey etc... Get behind the team, whoever plays for it, FFS! And get behind the manager as well! Playing 4-4-2 at home in a game you need to win by a 2 goal margin is not a crazy idea by MON, and sticking to that 4-4-2 until we have a 3 goal margin was a worthy gamble...it should have been 3-0 up and tie over before they scored, and that is down to the players, not the manager, if they didn't score that vital third goal.
delirium
I'm getting fed up with all this nonsense talk.. now the squad is looking a bit better as far as strength in depth is concerned, no one seems to be happy ever with the team selection... if NRC is played some will ask why as "he can't pass the ball" or any other good reason, and if he isn't played others wonder why. Same about Gabby, Sidwell, Delph, Shorey etc... Get behind the team, whoever plays for it, FFS! And get behind the manager as well! Playing 4-4-2 at home in a game you need to win by a 2 goal margin is not a crazy idea by MON, and sticking to that 4-4-2 until we have a 3 goal margin was a worthy gamble...it should have been 3-0 up and tie over before they scored, and that is down to the players, not the manager, if they didn't score that vital third goal.
delirium
The problem at RB is that Beye looks Shakey to me, and Shorely cannot pass at all !! always losing the ball. Cueller played very well last night, and in all honesty we should of lost the game by the amount of clear cut chances they had, also every time the ball goes into the box i think they will score, it was worrying times, i agree with you they should of changed formation to a 4-5-1 and took off Delph and Heskey i said it myself, It's very basic stuff and the man is getting paid millions a year to do this job, Dunne and Warnock should of been completed ages ago, and players arent coming to us because they think we lack ambition. Surely buying Hangeland and Sneijder for 30m would of been fantastic signings, and lets be honest we have a BILLIONAIRE; ok i accept we are no Chelski or Man City but we sell players before we buy, also if we get 50 odd million a year from TV revenue alone, how come we have only spent about 8m this transfer window not including the Barry 12m, Knight 4-5m, when we buy Dunne it will go up to about 14m we have spent this summer, people say Lerner digs out of his own pocket for the club but i say thats absolutely bs, we have recieved over 130m on TV revenue since he took the helm, i hate being negative but Lerner is't the messiah everyone makes him out to be, he is a business man who looks to make huge profit off us, its an easy investment when you have someone like MON in charge and happy to buy Championship players.
Villa 4 Ever
Spot on, NY Villa!
delirium
Spot on, NY Villa!
delirium
Have nothing to add to the debate -just like the headline!!
Matt_Us
footie is about talking about teams, players etc etc NY Villa, everyone knows, or everyone with any sense knows it is only the managers opinion that ultimately matters, but footie is all about the chat and banter and fans opinions.
The Fear
footie is about talking about teams, players etc etc NY Villa, everyone knows, or everyone with any sense knows it is only the managers opinion that ultimately matters, but footie is all about the chat and banter and fans opinions.
The Fear
Have nothing to add to the debate -just like the headline!!
Matt_Us
i am a MON fan but i agree with this artical in terms of getting the selecton wrong or changing things at the right time...as for the transfer comments i dont compleatly agree as for example dunn only became available when lescott was sold...warnock was only allowed to talk to villa after blackburn sign his replacement...there are a lot of negitives about not getting to the group stages but the one positive i can draw from this is that spurs and citeh have no europe and will be much stronger in the lge because they dont have that commitment ..so in the longterm this might help villa to at least try and keep up with the chasing pack this season as i think even though the squad is improving in terms of depth it proberbly not strong enough to play in europe fight for the domestic cups and maintain a high lge postion at this present time
Runtingz
i am a MON fan but i agree with this artical in terms of getting the selecton wrong or changing things at the right time...as for the transfer comments i dont compleatly agree as for example dunn only became available when lescott was sold...warnock was only allowed to talk to villa after blackburn sign his replacement...there are a lot of negitives about not getting to the group stages but the one positive i can draw from this is that spurs and citeh have no europe and will be much stronger in the lge because they dont have that commitment ..so in the longterm this might help villa to at least try and keep up with the chasing pack this season as i think even though the squad is improving in terms of depth it proberbly not strong enough to play in europe fight for the domestic cups and maintain a high lge postion at this present time
Runtingz
Agree with Bendeco. Big fan of Petrov, but only in a middle three. If we play 442 (and certain times we should- although 451 is preferable away and against the Sky 4) then Reo Coker MUST play. He has the energy and work rate of two players. Last night, okay to leave it at 442 to try and get 3rd, but once they started looking dangerous I would have taken Heskey and Carew off to be replaced by NRC and Gabby. Delph did well in possession, and would have bebefitted by having NRC there
krfeskivilla
Agree with Bendeco. Big fan of Petrov, but only in a middle three. If we play 442 (and certain times we should- although 451 is preferable away and against the Sky 4) then Reo Coker MUST play. He has the energy and work rate of two players. Last night, okay to leave it at 442 to try and get 3rd, but once they started looking dangerous I would have taken Heskey and Carew off to be replaced by NRC and Gabby. Delph did well in possession, and would have bebefitted by having NRC there
krfeskivilla
Bendeco, so Petrov playign in a 2 man midfield for alot of last season didn't win player of the year?? Maybe, just maybe, we miss Barry more than we realise, especially when we need to keep hold of the ball!
AVNath
Bendeco, so Petrov playign in a 2 man midfield for alot of last season didn't win player of the year?? Maybe, just maybe, we miss Barry more than we realise, especially when we need to keep hold of the ball!
AVNath
"We all know Martin O'Neill is one of the greatest managers in Aston Villa's history; what he has done for this club is truly magnificent". - Pass me the sick bucket
young_jonah
"We all know Martin O'Neill is one of the greatest managers in Aston Villa's history; what he has done for this club is truly magnificent". - Pass me the sick bucket
young_jonah
O'Neill is not the Messiah. He is a cult leader.
Albarnista
O'Neill is not the Messiah. He is a cult leader.
Albarnista
How can you moan one minute about him playing players out of position then in the second breath saying we should play 4-4-1-1 with presumably reo-coker on the right wing? Hmmm... You did say young playing (the 1) behing carew. So out of the 4 midfielders ther is one winger (milner). This opposed to the team you predict MON to choose - a 4-4-2 with every player in their correct position!
Ratman
How can you moan one minute about him playing players out of position then in the second breath saying we should play 4-4-1-1 with presumably reo-coker on the right wing? Hmmm... You did say young playing (the 1) behing carew. So out of the 4 midfielders ther is one winger (milner). This opposed to the team you predict MON to choose - a 4-4-2 with every player in their correct position!
Ratman
Sorry but it does seem to me like you were talking crap. I tend agree with MON`s comments about fans thinking they can do a better job after playing too much championship manager
Ratman
Sorry but it does seem to me like you were talking crap. I tend agree with MON`s comments about fans thinking they can do a better job after playing too much championship manager
Ratman
i have to defend the writer of the artical in saying MON is a great manager because before he took over we where a lot worse than now and europe was a pipe dream ..was more about staying up but we got 6th spot along with the fact that he has more silverware as a manager than most conterparts in the premier lge ..however he does do things that make me scratch my head as much as the next fan at times but i still think he will keep moving the club forward
Runtingz
i have to defend the writer of the artical in saying MON is a great manager because before he took over we where a lot worse than now and europe was a pipe dream ..was more about staying up but we got 6th spot along with the fact that he has more silverware as a manager than most conterparts in the premier lge ..however he does do things that make me scratch my head as much as the next fan at times but i still think he will keep moving the club forward
Runtingz
I agree that MOn should of took Delph off and Heskey when we were 2-0 up and revert back to 4-5-1 with Sidwell and Reo-Coker coming on to shore up the midfield. The reason he did not was not down to his tactical short comings but his overall approach to this game. The whole performance was about doing just enough to get by without effecting the all important premiership game on Sunday, and of course as usual our just enough is not good enough. It is this what I am most annoyed about, the club not taking this competition seriously and Mon pretending in the press that he is totally dismayed by the outcome. I paid my money last night and do I feel short changed and let down. If the club did come out before hand and say we are only going to give it 75%of our attention then I could of made a more informed decision whether to go or not.
bannedrico
I agree that MOn should of took Delph off and Heskey when we were 2-0 up and revert back to 4-5-1 with Sidwell and Reo-Coker coming on to shore up the midfield. The reason he did not was not down to his tactical short comings but his overall approach to this game. The whole performance was about doing just enough to get by without effecting the all important premiership game on Sunday, and of course as usual our just enough is not good enough. It is this what I am most annoyed about, the club not taking this competition seriously and Mon pretending in the press that he is totally dismayed by the outcome. I paid my money last night and do I feel short changed and let down. If the club did come out before hand and say we are only going to give it 75%of our attention then I could of made a more informed decision whether to go or not.
bannedrico
Albarnista O'Neill is indeed a **** leader ! He is 14th out of 24 managers in our History on percentage games won and Nowhere in the trophies won ! unless you count the Peace cup when he spent most of it in the stands !
villan57
Albarnista O'Neill is indeed a **** leader ! He is 14th out of 24 managers in our History on percentage games won and Nowhere in the trophies won ! unless you count the Peace cup when he spent most of it in the stands !
villan57
astvil123? Are you taking strong medication at the moment? I suggest you lower the dose a little before posting again! Martin O'Neill one of Villa's greatest managers? Give me a break.
Class of 82
astvil123? Are you taking strong medication at the moment? I suggest you lower the dose a little before posting again! Martin O'Neill one of Villa's greatest managers? Give me a break.
Class of 82
Villan57 - please publish your stats. I would love to see this list and the division that they were manager in before you claim MON at 14th. or is it a case of Lies, damned lies, and idiots with statistics.
Brendanormsby
Villan57 - please publish your stats. I would love to see this list and the division that they were manager in before you claim MON at 14th. or is it a case of Lies, damned lies, and idiots with statistics.
Brendanormsby
How can you say MON isn't a great manager? 16th to 6th! he saved our club! Got us in to Europe 2 seasons in a row and has assembled a very good team together, just a shame that he makes silly mistakes here and there with transfers and team selections. But he has still took us back to where we belong at the minimum! A top 6 side. He does have bad qualities that I have pointed out but I am not being overall negative about MON because the good things he has done out weigh the bad. He can improve though, that's all I'm saying
astvil123
How can you say MON isn't a great manager? 16th to 6th! he saved our club! Got us in to Europe 2 seasons in a row and has assembled a very good team together, just a shame that he makes silly mistakes here and there with transfers and team selections. But he has still took us back to where we belong at the minimum! A top 6 side. He does have bad qualities that I have pointed out but I am not being overall negative about MON because the good things he has done out weigh the bad. He can improve though, that's all I'm saying
astvil123
AVNath Ė if you look at the 4-4-2 games with Petrov and Barry last season, we won something like 4 out of 18 games Ė hardly inspiring but others were equally culpable. If you re-read my point Iím not saying Petrov is crap, and he certainly was the better of the 2 central midfielders mentioned in 08/09, I just donít think he works in that system. You certainly canít deny the fact that our points tally with the 4-4-2 is pretty dire.
Bendeco
AVNath Ė if you look at the 4-4-2 games with Petrov and Barry last season, we won something like 4 out of 18 games Ė hardly inspiring but others were equally culpable. If you re-read my point Iím not saying Petrov is crap, and he certainly was the better of the 2 central midfielders mentioned in 08/09, I just donít think he works in that system. You certainly canít deny the fact that our points tally with the 4-4-2 is pretty dire.
Bendeco
bendeco, agree about petrov totally. he got VERY tired and i think lost the ball in the lead up to the goal. weird front page article tho...
simonbigron
bendeco, agree about petrov totally. he got VERY tired and i think lost the ball in the lead up to the goal. weird front page article tho...
simonbigron
i thought that our best spell of results were when we played 4-5-1 away and adjusted it to give ash young 'free role'at home or did i just make that up????
avflell
i thought that our best spell of results were when we played 4-5-1 away and adjusted it to give ash young 'free role'at home or did i just make that up????
avflell
4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! Please?
PiperUK
4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! 4-5-1! Please?
PiperUK
Brendanormsby , Villa have only had 24 permanent managers since they were founded MON is the 14 th best he has not won anything with Villa , has he? and his wins per games is 39% which is 14th best . why would i make it up and why would he be higher given our glorious history?
villan57
Brendanormsby , Villa have only had 24 permanent managers since they were founded MON is the 14 th best he has not won anything with Villa , has he? and his wins per games is 39% which is 14th best . why would i make it up and why would he be higher given our glorious history?
villan57
Villan 57. All i asked was that you publish your stats. How many wins were in the premiership. How many in lower divisions? Lets see the list is all.
Brendanormsby
Villan 57. All i asked was that you publish your stats. How many wins were in the premiership. How many in lower divisions? Lets see the list is all.
Brendanormsby
 

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