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Do You Support The Villa? Then STOP Booing

Steff The Villan has done a great post in our 'are fans ever right to boo' forum thread (Click Here) (it comes up every now and then, my last article on this is in the archives which are currently offline but asked the same, why are you booing?! Steff (who has studied sports science... so knows what he is on about, just don't tell him I admitted he knows what he is talking about please!) said:

Right (rolls sleeves up) I don't care if MON has a problem with booing at HT and not at FT, that is immaterial, I have a problem with Booing full stop, I couldn't give a flying F if it's always been part of the game blah F ing blah, evolution applies, we used to torture people to death for not paying their taxes, we don't anymore, because we know better, we used to run around naked chanting at the moon as a Goddess, we don't anymore (ok some do) most know better.

Booing at half time is just bang out of order and an act of sabotage on our own team, booing at full time is only slightly less damaging, but damaging non the less, and you will notice that I am not using the IMO/IMHO because it is not my opinion, it is scientific fact, are you getting this, IT'S A FACT and I really don't care who wants to argue, who thinks they have a right, or whatever,

IF YOU BOO YOU ARE SABOTAGING TEAM AND INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCE

Or to put it another way, I have travelled for hours to watch my team play football, and your booing is effecting how my team is performing, you can/have/do effect performance and thus results, it is your fault we lose some matches, YES, IT REALLY IS, I don't care if you don't believe it, IT'S FACT, does this amuse me? no, it doesn't, in fact, do I not like that, so please feel free to come up to me after a match and say hello Steff, I don't care that you have driven for hours and spent god knows how much, I just felt the need to spoil your day out, in fact me and my knuckledragging, evolutionary throwback friends are doing our best to make the Villa a mid table team, I am sure we will be having a most interesting conversation.

I have made myself crystal clear, it is black and white, I accept it used to be acceptable, but we have advanced, science has proven how much damage this kind of behaviour can cause.

Do you really want to be part of the problem?
Do you want to sabotage your club?
Do you want to be a reason for failure?
Do you enjoy watching dire performances?

If you do, please stay away from my place of worship

DO YOU SUPPORT THE VILLA?

If you do STOP BOOING.

Get behind the boys, lift the team when they are down, let them know they have your support, give them an atmosphere that they can grow in, instead of the poisonous one that we seem to be nurturing, I hear all the 'they've got to lift us' 'they should put the effort in then we will' arguments, that to me is very childlike, well if they aren't doing it them I'm not, if you loved your team like you all claim to, you would get off your 'I've paid so I'll do what I like' pedestals and sacrifice the pleasure you get from booing and being a miserable fecker for the good of your team, you can respond to this post with outrage and bluster, or you can read it, understand it and get the message, this is not about point scoring, this is not about who is the best fan or any other who’s better than who bollocks, this is about our beloved Aston Villa, we may not have the money and resources of manC or any of the other big boys, BUT A UNIFIED AND VOCAL SUPPORT IS SOMETHING MONEY CAN’T BUY AND DOES MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE. We have the most passionate of fan bases (or claim to), about time we proved it.

If you love the Villa make some noise (not booing)
If you love the Villa , make VP a fortress
If you love the Villa, SING

SHOW SOME PASSION

I KNOW THE RESULTS OF THIS BEHAVIOUR, THEY ARE PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACT, GET BEHIND THE TEAM, GIVE THEM A GROWTH ENVIRONMENT, WATCH THE SILVERWARE RETURN, WATCH THE REST OF THE PREMIERSHIP QUAKE IN THEIR BOOTS

WATCH THE RETURN OF THE MIGHTY VILLA




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The Journalist

Writer: steff_the_villan Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday August 26 2009

Time: 12:23PM

Your Comments

as I said in the forum. If you don't like someone booing then sing louder than they are... you can drown out the boo boys and show what the majority of people in the stadium want (whether boo's or cheers wins in the battle of noise levels)
supermansfoot
as I said in the forum. If you don't like someone booing then sing louder than they are... you can drown out the boo boys and show what the majority of people in the stadium want (whether boo's or cheers wins in the battle of noise levels)
supermansfoot
as I said in the forum, I didn't boo and Steff still managed to make me feel like a very naughty boy.
jonah
as I said in the forum, I didn't boo and Steff still managed to make me feel like a very naughty boy.
jonah
100% agree with ^ article.
footy_fans
100% agree with ^ article.
footy_fans
Much better and less patronising article than the one I saw on another Villa site this morning, too.
Sheriff Kimbo
Much better and less patronising article than the one I saw on another Villa site this morning, too.
Sheriff Kimbo
well done on this articale mate ..as a villa fan said the other day its not what your club can do for you but what you can do for your club
Runtingz
well done on this articale mate ..as a villa fan said the other day its not what your club can do for you but what you can do for your club
Runtingz
Well said.Cheer on the lads have a laugh and ***** off home.
lerneravfc
Well said.Cheer on the lads have a laugh and ***** off home.
lerneravfc
Nail hit firmly on the head.
Pking
Nail hit firmly on the head.
Pking
Doesn't take science to tell us this it's just common sense. Surely it's obivous to anyone that no matter how badly the team are playing booing is not going to give them the confidence or inspire them to play better. At the end of the day no matter what your opinion on this debate surely all of us want the team to perform well on the pitch and booing our own players will never accomplish this. We also seem to be getting a fair bit of coverage in the press and on tv about our fans booing now. I wonder does this make the boo boys proud? Do they feel it's improving things? I think it's just plain embarassing. No player in the world wants to play for a club who's fans have that reputation but that seems to be what we are developing
darkade
Doesn't take science to tell us this it's just common sense. Surely it's obivous to anyone that no matter how badly the team are playing booing is not going to give them the confidence or inspire them to play better. At the end of the day no matter what your opinion on this debate surely all of us want the team to perform well on the pitch and booing our own players will never accomplish this. We also seem to be getting a fair bit of coverage in the press and on tv about our fans booing now. I wonder does this make the boo boys proud? Do they feel it's improving things? I think it's just plain embarassing. No player in the world wants to play for a club who's fans have that reputation but that seems to be what we are developing
darkade
Agreed Steff... doesn't take a sports science major to realise that negativity breeds through all levels. Booing makes no sense and only shows a lack of support, not an increase.
johnnyuk
Agreed Steff... doesn't take a sports science major to realise that negativity breeds through all levels. Booing makes no sense and only shows a lack of support, not an increase.
johnnyuk
Thank Paul McGrath an article making sense. It comes to something when you have to resort to science to try and get people not booing. I really dont see how eople think booing at half time will make the players turn around and go "oh were not playing well apparently lets try harder"
pauled177
Thank Paul McGrath an article making sense. It comes to something when you have to resort to science to try and get people not booing. I really dont see how eople think booing at half time will make the players turn around and go "oh were not playing well apparently lets try harder"
pauled177
100% behind you and this article... furthermore not only show your support for Villa.. lets show some REAL support for MON..honestly some people have short memories and don't realise how lucky we are to have MON. get behind him get behind the team. Do you think anyone else would do a better job? GET REAL! I stand at the back of the Holte and the guys that do this should bow their heads in shame . YES These are the same guys who start the songs at get the fantastic atmosphere at VP we all know we can generate. It's awesome when VP is rocking so if the same guys are reading this lets make some noise the right noise and start the songs to get us all going again and get behind the team win lose or draw. If anyone was at Doncaster Keepmoat stadium in January this year they'll know what i mean. Total support for MON and Villa for 90 mins...unbelievable support and we didn't even play well. Come on the Villa! ALL together now
JeffBeck-TheLeftSide
100% behind you and this article... furthermore not only show your support for Villa.. lets show some REAL support for MON..honestly some people have short memories and don't realise how lucky we are to have MON. get behind him get behind the team. Do you think anyone else would do a better job? GET REAL! I stand at the back of the Holte and the guys that do this should bow their heads in shame . YES These are the same guys who start the songs at get the fantastic atmosphere at VP we all know we can generate. It's awesome when VP is rocking so if the same guys are reading this lets make some noise the right noise and start the songs to get us all going again and get behind the team win lose or draw. If anyone was at Doncaster Keepmoat stadium in January this year they'll know what i mean. Total support for MON and Villa for 90 mins...unbelievable support and we didn't even play well. Come on the Villa! ALL together now
JeffBeck-TheLeftSide
It seems MON is not just a great Man Manager, he's a great Fan Manager. Can't see anyone having the balls to boo tomorrow night after all this malarkey. Great to see Coker back the manager up too.
Faangler
It seems MON is not just a great Man Manager, he's a great Fan Manager. Can't see anyone having the balls to boo tomorrow night after all this malarkey. Great to see Coker back the manager up too.
Faangler
Excellent article. Booing the side is 100% wrong and poisonous. However, a genuine Villan does have the right to criticise the manager, his formations, selections, decisions and tactics. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as the criticism is not personal, or mean-spirited. It was almost certainly fan pressure that persuaded MON to drop the ruinous 4-4-2 formation, in favour of the winning 4-5-1.
VillaWillRiseAgain
Excellent article. Booing the side is 100% wrong and poisonous. However, a genuine Villan does have the right to criticise the manager, his formations, selections, decisions and tactics. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as the criticism is not personal, or mean-spirited. It was almost certainly fan pressure that persuaded MON to drop the ruinous 4-4-2 formation, in favour of the winning 4-5-1.
VillaWillRiseAgain
Good article, it's simple really, we're supporters, so booing on match day is somewhat illogical as it's the reverse of supporting - obviously! Personally, I don't think that match days are the right place for booing - if there's ever a right place! That said whilst I think it's wrong I do understand the frustration!! I think platforms like this site are the right place to air concerns, frustrations and hopefully elation! UTV
26.05.82
Good article, it's simple really, we're supporters, so booing on match day is somewhat illogical as it's the reverse of supporting - obviously! Personally, I don't think that match days are the right place for booing - if there's ever a right place! That said whilst I think it's wrong I do understand the frustration!! I think platforms like this site are the right place to air concerns, frustrations and hopefully elation! UTV
26.05.82
Totally agree. Why give strength to the opposition?
Gordonsleftboot
Totally agree. Why give strength to the opposition?
Gordonsleftboot
TOTALLY AGREE!!! said the same on previous story & was slammed by some so called fans, they think it is justified to boo the team after the first 45 mins of the new season because of the poor run we had last year, a disgrace, they are not supporters they are unsupporters, how do you expect your team to come out in a positive way in the second half when they have been given a negative vibe by there so called fans, you need to try & lift the team not demoralise them further. I remember a time when at villa park the second we went a goal down the noise from the villa faithful encouraging the team would deafen the celebrations of the visiting teams supporters, that is what we need regardless of of the scoreline, we need to contribute i.e support our team no matter what. Come on VILLA!!!
bodidleyAVFC
TOTALLY AGREE!!! said the same on previous story & was slammed by some so called fans, they think it is justified to boo the team after the first 45 mins of the new season because of the poor run we had last year, a disgrace, they are not supporters they are unsupporters, how do you expect your team to come out in a positive way in the second half when they have been given a negative vibe by there so called fans, you need to try & lift the team not demoralise them further. I remember a time when at villa park the second we went a goal down the noise from the villa faithful encouraging the team would deafen the celebrations of the visiting teams supporters, that is what we need regardless of of the scoreline, we need to contribute i.e support our team no matter what. Come on VILLA!!!
bodidleyAVFC
hello all, im new here :) I agree with what the author says. booing a team 45 minutes into a new season is not helping anybody... apart from the opposition. Lets show our team the support they deserve against Rapid. UTV - pride of the midlands
leeb25
hello all, im new here :) I agree with what the author says. booing a team 45 minutes into a new season is not helping anybody... apart from the opposition. Lets show our team the support they deserve against Rapid. UTV - pride of the midlands
leeb25
Completely agree.... booing your own team makes no sense at all
Ericols_Son
Completely agree.... booing your own team makes no sense at all
Ericols_Son
Brilliant. Great article. I really hope lots of people read this, as I drive 336 miles round trip to get to villa park every home game, and the negativity and lack of support behind me is infuriating. My Dad and I seem the only ones nearby to applaud and cheer. Would be great if we had the whole stadium actually supporting. Would be a real fortress, like it used to be in the 80s
Ian Taylor
Brilliant. Great article. I really hope lots of people read this, as I drive 336 miles round trip to get to villa park every home game, and the negativity and lack of support behind me is infuriating. My Dad and I seem the only ones nearby to applaud and cheer. Would be great if we had the whole stadium actually supporting. Would be a real fortress, like it used to be in the 80s
Ian Taylor
Well said, UTV!
RoyalVilla
Well said, UTV!
RoyalVilla
I expect matches before christmas where you will boo a lot more than at the Wigan game. Why? Cause you have a lot higher expectations for your team than it is possible to achieve. You should really be happy with getting inside top 8th this year. Barry and Laursen has left you with a bigger hole than you can fill...at least for a while....Delph may be Barry x1,2 in a few seasons. Good luck anyway!
NorwaYid
I expect matches before christmas where you will boo a lot more than at the Wigan game. Why? Cause you have a lot higher expectations for your team than it is possible to achieve. You should really be happy with getting inside top 8th this year. Barry and Laursen has left you with a bigger hole than you can fill...at least for a while....Delph may be Barry x1,2 in a few seasons. Good luck anyway!
NorwaYid
apparently we are now in talks with warnock (on official site)
Ian Taylor
apparently we are now in talks with warnock (on official site)
Ian Taylor
I know I shouldn't but I laughed so much in this article. It was like a Frankie Boyle rant! But 100% true and accurate, I could not agree more. It gets the lads down and gives confidence to the opposition as they know they have undone our game plan. I tend to shout at the 'booers' though I suppose I should just encourage the team more. My version of 'booing' is to invent new swear words :-)
Mikey D-Man
I know I shouldn't but I laughed so much in this article. It was like a Frankie Boyle rant! But 100% true and accurate, I could not agree more. It gets the lads down and gives confidence to the opposition as they know they have undone our game plan. I tend to shout at the 'booers' though I suppose I should just encourage the team more. My version of 'booing' is to invent new swear words :-)
Mikey D-Man
NorwaYid - well said - please remember your own advice as you slide back down the table
Gordonsleftboot
NorwaYid - well said - please remember your own advice as you slide back down the table
Gordonsleftboot
I am proud to be a Villa Fan and get frustrated like any other fan when things aren't going our way BUT!!!!!! I would never boo as I said on the Aston Villa FC facebook page!! If your boss tells you your *****e at your job how would you feel. Imagine a section of so called fans doing the same to the Villa players. Doesn't really make them wanna play out there skins does it!! Great Article Steff UTV!!!!
geecee
I am proud to be a Villa Fan and get frustrated like any other fan when things aren't going our way BUT!!!!!! I would never boo as I said on the Aston Villa FC facebook page!! If your boss tells you your *****e at your job how would you feel. Imagine a section of so called fans doing the same to the Villa players. Doesn't really make them wanna play out there skins does it!! Great Article Steff UTV!!!!
geecee
Great article, 100% agree, well put sir.
Jon.H
Great article, 100% agree, well put sir.
Jon.H
Very good read. Is there any chance we can get this posted on the other Villa forums? Some opinions (if that is what you can call them) elsewhere are not so well thought out and could do with an article like this to enlighten them. That's if they can read anything more complicated than the daily mail or sun of course...
stevo dub
Very good read. Is there any chance we can get this posted on the other Villa forums? Some opinions (if that is what you can call them) elsewhere are not so well thought out and could do with an article like this to enlighten them. That's if they can read anything more complicated than the daily mail or sun of course...
stevo dub
VillaWillRiseAgain: MON changed his formation due to fan pressure ? You really do think MON is a muppet don't you. Never read anything more delusional.
Faangler
VillaWillRiseAgain: MON changed his formation due to fan pressure ? You really do think MON is a muppet don't you. Never read anything more delusional.
Faangler
I dont agree with booing at half time it doesnt help the team mentally at all and tbh i dont agree with booing all together and i go to every home and and some away and have personaly never boo the team i have only got on o'neils back alot as a lot of people have done because he has done shockingly awful in the transfer market so far and playing that 442 haas been an awful decision but i gues it could be the 451 now so looking good. however on the booing some people do pay alot of money to watch their team and expect them to give it their all and not expect a disgusting performance and watch a manager get everything tacticaly wrong against wigan and the end of last season as much as i dont agree with booing i can understand some people doing it. lets just hope o'neil sticks with the 451 and get better defenders in instead of the donkeys we got now fair enuf they wer ok against liverpool but 1 off i am sure of that. distin and taylor or dunne would be fine. i am just hoping that we can strenghten in defence and definately upfront as gabby is just lazy and cant finish has a good game now and then and heskey cant play on his own or with any other strikers we got.
p.villa
I dont agree with booing at half time it doesnt help the team mentally at all and tbh i dont agree with booing all together and i go to every home and and some away and have personaly never boo the team i have only got on o'neils back alot as a lot of people have done because he has done shockingly awful in the transfer market so far and playing that 442 haas been an awful decision but i gues it could be the 451 now so looking good. however on the booing some people do pay alot of money to watch their team and expect them to give it their all and not expect a disgusting performance and watch a manager get everything tacticaly wrong against wigan and the end of last season as much as i dont agree with booing i can understand some people doing it. lets just hope o'neil sticks with the 451 and get better defenders in instead of the donkeys we got now fair enuf they wer ok against liverpool but 1 off i am sure of that. distin and taylor or dunne would be fine. i am just hoping that we can strenghten in defence and definately upfront as gabby is just lazy and cant finish has a good game now and then and heskey cant play on his own or with any other strikers we got.
p.villa
Playing 4-4-2 week-in-week-out even though it's costing the club games is delusional. Playing Heskey up front every game even though he can't score for toffee is delusional. Do you really think it hasn't been pointed out to MON that he might be wrong about a thing or two, and the fans might be right about a thing or two? Lets not criticise the Messiah then. Lets not criticise the Government either, or the fat cats in the City. I'm sure they all know what they're doing.Lol!!!Btw, I've never used the "M word" to describe MON.
VillaWillRiseAgain
Playing 4-4-2 week-in-week-out even though it's costing the club games is delusional. Playing Heskey up front every game even though he can't score for toffee is delusional. Do you really think it hasn't been pointed out to MON that he might be wrong about a thing or two, and the fans might be right about a thing or two? Lets not criticise the Messiah then. Lets not criticise the Government either, or the fat cats in the City. I'm sure they all know what they're doing.Lol!!!Btw, I've never used the "M word" to describe MON.
VillaWillRiseAgain
Gordon: Oh I know we won't be staying long where we are. match 5 and 6 against ManU and Chelski...probably knock us down a bit. But I am confident that we will end higher than you guys. We have doubled up in almost every playing position, and we have Harry - who always finishes higher than "possible" with the squad quality he is given. (Pompey, WHam) Good thing you took the Liverpool scalp though, I think they are in for a rough ride this year :)
NorwaYid
Gordon: Oh I know we won't be staying long where we are. match 5 and 6 against ManU and Chelski...probably knock us down a bit. But I am confident that we will end higher than you guys. We have doubled up in almost every playing position, and we have Harry - who always finishes higher than "possible" with the squad quality he is given. (Pompey, WHam) Good thing you took the Liverpool scalp though, I think they are in for a rough ride this year :)
NorwaYid
toruble is the people that boo are probably illiterate and won't be able to read this article. there should be public readings of this outside villa park on matchday.
ric112
toruble is the people that boo are probably illiterate and won't be able to read this article. there should be public readings of this outside villa park on matchday.
ric112
SPOT ON,,,,,,, CAN WE GET SOME BANNERS AROUND THE GROUND ON MATCH DAYS TO ASK PEOPLE TO CHEER THE TEAM ON BECAUSE 3/4 OF THE CROWD JUST SIT THERE LIKE DUMMIES THEN WHEN PLAYERS ARE FINDING IT HARD GOING THEY DECIDE TO OPEN THEIR MOUTHS AND BOO THEIR OWN TEAM, IF YOU COME TO THE GAME TO SUPPORT VILLA THEN BLOODY WELL SUPPORT THEM, IF YOU WANT TO BOO THEN GET LOST, WE DONT WANT YOU IN THE GROUND. UP THE VILLA............
chasrack
SPOT ON,,,,,,, CAN WE GET SOME BANNERS AROUND THE GROUND ON MATCH DAYS TO ASK PEOPLE TO CHEER THE TEAM ON BECAUSE 3/4 OF THE CROWD JUST SIT THERE LIKE DUMMIES THEN WHEN PLAYERS ARE FINDING IT HARD GOING THEY DECIDE TO OPEN THEIR MOUTHS AND BOO THEIR OWN TEAM, IF YOU COME TO THE GAME TO SUPPORT VILLA THEN BLOODY WELL SUPPORT THEM, IF YOU WANT TO BOO THEN GET LOST, WE DONT WANT YOU IN THE GROUND. UP THE VILLA............
chasrack
supermansfoot if you don't like those booing, I suggest you boo them... or does that not help! :o)
the fear
supermansfoot if you don't like those booing, I suggest you boo them... or does that not help! :o)
the fear
I'm sorry, if they team play ***** then I will boo. Do you expect me to applaude a performance like Wigan? If I'm doing my job badly then I expect to be told off and to buck my ideas up? Are these multi-millionares so sensitive they can't take a bit of booing? I pays me money, I makes me choice.
PiperUK
I'm sorry, if they team play ***** then I will boo. Do you expect me to applaude a performance like Wigan? If I'm doing my job badly then I expect to be told off and to buck my ideas up? Are these multi-millionares so sensitive they can't take a bit of booing? I pays me money, I makes me choice.
PiperUK
I very much enjoyed the 'knuckle-dragging, evolutionary throwback friends' comment, very sanctimonious Stef. I think it's a bit rich to imply that everyone that was booing is some kind of sloping forehead Neanderthal; there were an awful lot of people doing it. It also appears that the fantastic result against Red Scouse has gone someway to ensuring that people’s attitudes have changed MASSIVELY since the Wigan / Vienna games, it amazes me how one great result can bring on sudden Amnesia. You couldn't find a good word about MON and the team on here the other day, what did that silly Irish chap say about Villa fans being fickle?!
juddy
I very much enjoyed the 'knuckle-dragging, evolutionary throwback friends' comment, very sanctimonious Stef. I think it's a bit rich to imply that everyone that was booing is some kind of sloping forehead Neanderthal; there were an awful lot of people doing it. It also appears that the fantastic result against Red Scouse has gone someway to ensuring that people’s attitudes have changed MASSIVELY since the Wigan / Vienna games, it amazes me how one great result can bring on sudden Amnesia. You couldn't find a good word about MON and the team on here the other day, what did that silly Irish chap say about Villa fans being fickle?!
juddy
100% agree and annoyingly what I said in my post about being the worst fans ever... wish i had a sports science degree...
simonbigron
100% agree and annoyingly what I said in my post about being the worst fans ever... wish i had a sports science degree...
simonbigron
So Monny wins again with his skewed PR. Great article Steff apart from all the facts, when you consider all sportspeople unless they look for the crowd zone them out. But hey, if you were happy with the performances last season and think that's the pinnacle of achievement for Monny after 4 years and don't understand who some boo and then think our form is the fans fault, you're entitled to your own opinion.

Sabotage, a couple of instances of booing in over 6 months or over 6 months of no plan B, no tactics, players in wrong positions? Hmmm let me wonder. Although look on the brightside, many of you have found your way on to Monny's Xmas card list haven't you.
mike_field
So Monny wins again with his skewed PR. Great article Steff apart from all the facts, when you consider all sportspeople unless they look for the crowd zone them out. But hey, if you were happy with the performances last season and think that's the pinnacle of achievement for Monny after 4 years and don't understand who some boo and then think our form is the fans fault, you're entitled to your own opinion.

Sabotage, a couple of instances of booing in over 6 months or over 6 months of no plan B, no tactics, players in wrong positions? Hmmm let me wonder. Although look on the brightside, many of you have found your way on to Monny's Xmas card list haven't you.
mike_field
bodidleyAVFC - hate to be pedantic but there's two 'd' s in diddley.
Faangler
bodidleyAVFC - hate to be pedantic but there's two 'd' s in diddley.
Faangler
not in my didley Faangler, says you with that name lol. Nice to see bluenose mike_field still loves the boos.
bodidleyAVFC
not in my didley Faangler, says you with that name lol. Nice to see bluenose mike_field still loves the boos.
bodidleyAVFC
There are frightning similarities between the dissatisfaction of some Villa fans and the unrest that grew amongst Charlton fans sick of 7th place finishes.
Pking
There are frightning similarities between the dissatisfaction of some Villa fans and the unrest that grew amongst Charlton fans sick of 7th place finishes.
Pking
Yeah Curbs achieved more on far less and didn't play wingers at fullback PK. Then again I'm a bluenose because I want the club to be the best it can according to Bodidley who now seems to spend more time trying to attack me than actually discussing the club he claims to love more than everyone else lol
mike_field
Yeah Curbs achieved more on far less and didn't play wingers at fullback PK. Then again I'm a bluenose because I want the club to be the best it can according to Bodidley who now seems to spend more time trying to attack me than actually discussing the club he claims to love more than everyone else lol
mike_field
I am not attcking you bluenose mike, dont need to, you do a perfectly good job of showing the majority of genuine supporters your true colours by agreeing that booing your team is acceptable, you really are in the minority on this one as this post proves. LOL the fact you think I am attacking you shows the sort of miserable person you are, a bit of banter never hurt anyone! typical of a booer, never happy with anythingf & just looks at the negative all the time, we really are better off as a club without fans like you!
bodidleyAVFC
I am not attcking you bluenose mike, dont need to, you do a perfectly good job of showing the majority of genuine supporters your true colours by agreeing that booing your team is acceptable, you really are in the minority on this one as this post proves. LOL the fact you think I am attacking you shows the sort of miserable person you are, a bit of banter never hurt anyone! typical of a booer, never happy with anythingf & just looks at the negative all the time, we really are better off as a club without fans like you!
bodidleyAVFC
I dont think we had a RB for so long because he couldnt get the player he wanted,I think it might have been Miguel.I think MoN has had to stick to a budget since he took over and this season has been no different.I would rather he signs nobody than sign a player he doesnt fancy cos there is no one else.We've had enough rubbish players over the years that were bought in a panic.
Pking
I dont think we had a RB for so long because he couldnt get the player he wanted,I think it might have been Miguel.I think MoN has had to stick to a budget since he took over and this season has been no different.I would rather he signs nobody than sign a player he doesnt fancy cos there is no one else.We've had enough rubbish players over the years that were bought in a panic.
Pking
my god much more of this and l will throw up
one match ban
my god much more of this and l will throw up
one match ban
Are you not Bodidley....well please cease your obsessive compulsive attraction to me, it's becoming uncomfortable, it's almost cult like as you think genuine supporters can only exist if they agree with you. Sadly though mate, without fans like me we'd still have Ellis and without the pressure being on this season for the squad to buck up, the happy clappers would see us to relegation. But as said if you're happy with the dross served up allow me to enjoy it more when we actually achieve something. Fans who want more strive for more, fans who are content with nothing hold the club back.

PK Miguel, Boswingwa are the two main links I remember for RB but I'm not just talking about that, Luke at LB while Shorey gets bored on the bench, NRC at centre back etc etc. There's sticking to your guns for a player you want (Luke Young was available cheaper remember) and then completely destroying the teams shape when you panic over subs. But you can't talk about rubbish when we have Harewood, Osbourne played so often, Salifou, Routledge etc etc. There's no excuses 4 years on for us to need panic buys this far into the season. It simply isn't good enough especially whilst Monny rambles about taking things seriously, Top 4 etc etc. But if you point that out your bluenose and not a genuine supporter PMSL Some should really work out if their moral high ground is in anyway realistic to the direction of this club over the past 12+ months.
mike_field
Are you not Bodidley....well please cease your obsessive compulsive attraction to me, it's becoming uncomfortable, it's almost cult like as you think genuine supporters can only exist if they agree with you. Sadly though mate, without fans like me we'd still have Ellis and without the pressure being on this season for the squad to buck up, the happy clappers would see us to relegation. But as said if you're happy with the dross served up allow me to enjoy it more when we actually achieve something. Fans who want more strive for more, fans who are content with nothing hold the club back.

PK Miguel, Boswingwa are the two main links I remember for RB but I'm not just talking about that, Luke at LB while Shorey gets bored on the bench, NRC at centre back etc etc. There's sticking to your guns for a player you want (Luke Young was available cheaper remember) and then completely destroying the teams shape when you panic over subs. But you can't talk about rubbish when we have Harewood, Osbourne played so often, Salifou, Routledge etc etc. There's no excuses 4 years on for us to need panic buys this far into the season. It simply isn't good enough especially whilst Monny rambles about taking things seriously, Top 4 etc etc. But if you point that out your bluenose and not a genuine supporter PMSL Some should really work out if their moral high ground is in anyway realistic to the direction of this club over the past 12+ months.
mike_field
Jesus, wind ya neck in mike!, how is it obsessive to respond to your pathetic posts! stop posting & i'll stop responding you fool. FOR THE LAST TIME - the only issue here is booing your team after the first 45 mins of the new campaign, how can that be productive to the team? it isn't, face it. I agree with you there are issues at the club & yes the performances at time have been shocking, yes some of MON tactics, transfer policies etc have been suspect, BUT that still does not excuse the behaviour of the minority of small minded miserable individuals who feel it is productive to boo the team at half time, do you really think that is in anyway going to help them turn around the performance - NO it wont! there are better times & ways to voice your disaproval of things, THAT is all I am saying & THAT is all the majority of true fans are saying. We all want the best for the team, we all want to win things, Booing will never achieve anything. END OF
bodidleyAVFC
Jesus, wind ya neck in mike!, how is it obsessive to respond to your pathetic posts! stop posting & i'll stop responding you fool. FOR THE LAST TIME - the only issue here is booing your team after the first 45 mins of the new campaign, how can that be productive to the team? it isn't, face it. I agree with you there are issues at the club & yes the performances at time have been shocking, yes some of MON tactics, transfer policies etc have been suspect, BUT that still does not excuse the behaviour of the minority of small minded miserable individuals who feel it is productive to boo the team at half time, do you really think that is in anyway going to help them turn around the performance - NO it wont! there are better times & ways to voice your disaproval of things, THAT is all I am saying & THAT is all the majority of true fans are saying. We all want the best for the team, we all want to win things, Booing will never achieve anything. END OF
bodidleyAVFC
I'm a bluenose fool now, it gets better! PMSL

Ok I'll try from a different angle, is booin at halftime any different from little Monny have a wobbly in the dressing room? I don't think it was in here, but a comment was made on the message thread (join in chap maybe you'll get my humour better then, we're a nice bunch really - even the bluenoses like me PMSL!) that 15 mins at halftime isn't long enough for a player to mentally absorb the boos and turn into motivation for the second half. So how does a manager losing it in the dressing room work? I don't see how they can be mutually exclusive, and you can bet your bottom dollar Monny didn't walk in at HT against Wigan and praise them given how excentric and 'bouncy' he is. So why the difference, if the crowd booing can't be motivation, why could Monny losing it be? So we either go the players pay more attention to the manager as it relates to motivation and the fans have no effect OR the players listen more to the crowd (when it's well known sportspeople zone out from a crowd) than they do their manager. Whichever way you look at it, the overall effect of the fans is negligent. We get the blame when things go wrong because it deflects attention from the manager/team, and when things go right we get the tried and tested cliches about 12th man.

That also presumes booing is meant to be productive and those who do boo, do it with that in mind. What about good old gut reactions? What about emotional responses? You can't dress booing up as black and white which most of you are because football isn't black and white, it's based on emotional responses that occur in split seconds.

The only FACT about the 3 monthly cycle of 'do you boo' threads we have now is quite simply in the grand scheme of things it's irrelevant and the only purpose such discussions achieve is in moving the focus back on to fans and away from the real issues THAT CAUSE THE BOOING IN THE FIRST PLACE. See I can do caps lock to lol
mike_field
I'm a bluenose fool now, it gets better! PMSL

Ok I'll try from a different angle, is booin at halftime any different from little Monny have a wobbly in the dressing room? I don't think it was in here, but a comment was made on the message thread (join in chap maybe you'll get my humour better then, we're a nice bunch really - even the bluenoses like me PMSL!) that 15 mins at halftime isn't long enough for a player to mentally absorb the boos and turn into motivation for the second half. So how does a manager losing it in the dressing room work? I don't see how they can be mutually exclusive, and you can bet your bottom dollar Monny didn't walk in at HT against Wigan and praise them given how excentric and 'bouncy' he is. So why the difference, if the crowd booing can't be motivation, why could Monny losing it be? So we either go the players pay more attention to the manager as it relates to motivation and the fans have no effect OR the players listen more to the crowd (when it's well known sportspeople zone out from a crowd) than they do their manager. Whichever way you look at it, the overall effect of the fans is negligent. We get the blame when things go wrong because it deflects attention from the manager/team, and when things go right we get the tried and tested cliches about 12th man.

That also presumes booing is meant to be productive and those who do boo, do it with that in mind. What about good old gut reactions? What about emotional responses? You can't dress booing up as black and white which most of you are because football isn't black and white, it's based on emotional responses that occur in split seconds.

The only FACT about the 3 monthly cycle of 'do you boo' threads we have now is quite simply in the grand scheme of things it's irrelevant and the only purpose such discussions achieve is in moving the focus back on to fans and away from the real issues THAT CAUSE THE BOOING IN THE FIRST PLACE. See I can do caps lock to lol
mike_field
mike we will just have to agree to disagree, frankly i am getting bored with it all.
bodidleyAVFC
mike we will just have to agree to disagree, frankly i am getting bored with it all.
bodidleyAVFC
That's the best post aimed at me I've seen from you lol Come on, get involved in the forum, you can never get bored in there! That goes for all who only frequent the frontpage!
mike_field
That's the best post aimed at me I've seen from you lol Come on, get involved in the forum, you can never get bored in there! That goes for all who only frequent the frontpage!
mike_field
Mike, not a result of PR or MON or anyone else, have a search through the Vital archives and you will find I did a very similar piece a few YEARS ago, I am not absolving MON of any wrong doing, ALL I am doing is pointing out what part we can play in helping our team to success, this appears to have been missed or glossed over by some, but that is the message, athletes do get in the zone, but they are not in it when the whistle blows and they are walking off the pitch, at no point have I stated happiness with last years performance, I at no point blamed the fans for all of our poor form, I also stated that it was scientific fact, therefore not an opinion, Seriously Mike, this is not a response I would have expected off you, it seems more like a knee jerk reaction on a bad day, you obviously have other things on your mind and did not fully read and/or understand what I was trying to get across.
steff_the_villan
Mike, not a result of PR or MON or anyone else, have a search through the Vital archives and you will find I did a very similar piece a few YEARS ago, I am not absolving MON of any wrong doing, ALL I am doing is pointing out what part we can play in helping our team to success, this appears to have been missed or glossed over by some, but that is the message, athletes do get in the zone, but they are not in it when the whistle blows and they are walking off the pitch, at no point have I stated happiness with last years performance, I at no point blamed the fans for all of our poor form, I also stated that it was scientific fact, therefore not an opinion, Seriously Mike, this is not a response I would have expected off you, it seems more like a knee jerk reaction on a bad day, you obviously have other things on your mind and did not fully read and/or understand what I was trying to get across.
steff_the_villan
Juddy, it appears that some think this is some kind of response to our performance against Liverpool, nothing could be further from the truth, I have always maintained this line, and have wrote many pieces over the years on psychological response to negative input, I think you will also find that I am well known on the forum for my positive outlook, If you couldn't find a good word the other day, you obviously didn't look on the forum, as for the knuckle dragging comment, it seems to have done the job I intended it to do, and got through the thick skins of the Neanderthals. have a nice day : )
steff_the_villan
Juddy, it appears that some think this is some kind of response to our performance against Liverpool, nothing could be further from the truth, I have always maintained this line, and have wrote many pieces over the years on psychological response to negative input, I think you will also find that I am well known on the forum for my positive outlook, If you couldn't find a good word the other day, you obviously didn't look on the forum, as for the knuckle dragging comment, it seems to have done the job I intended it to do, and got through the thick skins of the Neanderthals. have a nice day : )
steff_the_villan
I know you did Steff and it gets covered reasonably regularly on the forum, and the latest booing arguments have come from Monny spinning Wigan again after Liverpool. I know you're not mate, but plenty of others are, you've voiced your concerns plenty of times but I'd guess outside of transfers or the lack thereof, the biggest single discussion since Liverpool has been booing/genuine fans don't etc. Debating why it took us 6 odd months to finally play to our strengths at best comes a distant second. I didn't miss your point mate, I was just DAing most of the comments that glossed over the bigger picture. As you know I'm not above an ironic cheer, but I've never booed yet I understand the frustration that leads others to, scientific fact or not (when the aim of science is to disprove existing theories) booing and it's effects aren't as black and white as many of these comments imply which I'm sure you'd agree with aswell when not looking at booing in insolation.

Apologies if you thought I was responding directly to you anyway matey, I only included your name because I did want to say great article lol I should've rearranged my opening sentances so it made more sense PMSL
mike_field
I know you did Steff and it gets covered reasonably regularly on the forum, and the latest booing arguments have come from Monny spinning Wigan again after Liverpool. I know you're not mate, but plenty of others are, you've voiced your concerns plenty of times but I'd guess outside of transfers or the lack thereof, the biggest single discussion since Liverpool has been booing/genuine fans don't etc. Debating why it took us 6 odd months to finally play to our strengths at best comes a distant second. I didn't miss your point mate, I was just DAing most of the comments that glossed over the bigger picture. As you know I'm not above an ironic cheer, but I've never booed yet I understand the frustration that leads others to, scientific fact or not (when the aim of science is to disprove existing theories) booing and it's effects aren't as black and white as many of these comments imply which I'm sure you'd agree with aswell when not looking at booing in insolation.

Apologies if you thought I was responding directly to you anyway matey, I only included your name because I did want to say great article lol I should've rearranged my opening sentances so it made more sense PMSL
mike_field
It is Wednesday evening and I have just got back from my 3 day trip to Merseyside to take in the Murderpool game. What a great 3 days. A couple of points. the article on booing is brilliant and 100% correct. I have said for years that it will be the fans that hold the club back. Unfortunately we have a sizeable minority of moaners, our vocal support to compliment the Holte is pathetic and people in the Trinity and Witton stands should be ashamed of their lack of vocal support. We couldn't fill our ground for the first game of the season. Muderpool not only filled their ground for the second time in 5 days despite the game being live on TV on a Monday night. The ground was still full until the final whistle despite being 2 goals down and they didn't boo them off the pitch. I hate the murdering Scouse gits but they showed how to support a club losing by 2 goals at home. We by comparison are an embarresment and to argue the reasons as to justify why we are so fickle is pointless. When I see people leaving before the end of the game or booing, I just think . . . . . . aahhh bless. And I will state any fan (other than those with diability who leave to beat crowd issues) who boos or leaves before the end of a game is actually a disgrace to the club and can not be classed a real supporter. And following my article last week on the stats for different formations and how playing that ridiculous 442 formation makes good players look rubbish, I feel a sense of satisfaction in that we played the team I suggested and we win by 2 clear goals at a ground where Murderpool have not lost in 31 games. 451 has been used by M'ON on 14 occasions now in the league. Won 10 drew 3 lost 1. UTV
voiceoftheholte
It is Wednesday evening and I have just got back from my 3 day trip to Merseyside to take in the Murderpool game. What a great 3 days. A couple of points. the article on booing is brilliant and 100% correct. I have said for years that it will be the fans that hold the club back. Unfortunately we have a sizeable minority of moaners, our vocal support to compliment the Holte is pathetic and people in the Trinity and Witton stands should be ashamed of their lack of vocal support. We couldn't fill our ground for the first game of the season. Muderpool not only filled their ground for the second time in 5 days despite the game being live on TV on a Monday night. The ground was still full until the final whistle despite being 2 goals down and they didn't boo them off the pitch. I hate the murdering Scouse gits but they showed how to support a club losing by 2 goals at home. We by comparison are an embarresment and to argue the reasons as to justify why we are so fickle is pointless. When I see people leaving before the end of the game or booing, I just think . . . . . . aahhh bless. And I will state any fan (other than those with diability who leave to beat crowd issues) who boos or leaves before the end of a game is actually a disgrace to the club and can not be classed a real supporter. And following my article last week on the stats for different formations and how playing that ridiculous 442 formation makes good players look rubbish, I feel a sense of satisfaction in that we played the team I suggested and we win by 2 clear goals at a ground where Murderpool have not lost in 31 games. 451 has been used by M'ON on 14 occasions now in the league. Won 10 drew 3 lost 1. UTV
voiceoftheholte
I always thought Steff was a girl!..turns out to be a man..more disappointed in that than the booing!
Steve64k
I always thought Steff was a girl!..turns out to be a man..more disappointed in that than the booing!
Steve64k
LMFAO!! bodidleyAVFC v mike_field - excellent chaps, can I buy tickets for the replay???
26.05.82
LMFAO!! bodidleyAVFC v mike_field - excellent chaps, can I buy tickets for the replay???
26.05.82
Voice of the Holte, you almost had me until you started criticising your own again.

Steve, Steff could be a girly, just in touch with their masculine side! lol 26 - if he joins the forum, I'm sure we can both arrange some bookings to suit everyone! Keeps you off the streets anyway doesn't it! lol
mike_field
Voice of the Holte, you almost had me until you started criticising your own again.

Steve, Steff could be a girly, just in touch with their masculine side! lol 26 - if he joins the forum, I'm sure we can both arrange some bookings to suit everyone! Keeps you off the streets anyway doesn't it! lol
mike_field
This article is absolutely spot on.
donegalvillan
This article is absolutely spot on.
donegalvillan
Great article.100% agree.people who Boo our players can never be classed as Villa fans. If your a fan you love your team good,bad or whatever. I also agree with what others have said about how quite Villa Park is and think that a loud support of our players throughout the match will give the players a lift. People always talk about the fans being the 12th man at other grounds so come on Villa Park lets show them how it's done. Anyone that was at Hamburg will know what fan support is cus they are the loadest ive ever experienced....VILLA TILL I DIE WHATEVER THEY PLAY LIKE
V111A DR
Great article.100% agree.people who Boo our players can never be classed as Villa fans. If your a fan you love your team good,bad or whatever. I also agree with what others have said about how quite Villa Park is and think that a loud support of our players throughout the match will give the players a lift. People always talk about the fans being the 12th man at other grounds so come on Villa Park lets show them how it's done. Anyone that was at Hamburg will know what fan support is cus they are the loadest ive ever experienced....VILLA TILL I DIE WHATEVER THEY PLAY LIKE
V111A DR
Thanks for the response Steff, glad to see you have maintained your sanctimonious tone throughout.....you are nothing if not consistent!! Your well thought out comments, knowledge of the game and wit, coupled with you Sports Science Degree mean that it is totally fair to adopt this high and mighty attitude with ‘us Neanderthals’, you must have a lot of time to think about these pearls of wisdom.....must be quiet at your branch of McDonalds.
juddy
Thanks for the response Steff, glad to see you have maintained your sanctimonious tone throughout.....you are nothing if not consistent!! Your well thought out comments, knowledge of the game and wit, coupled with you Sports Science Degree mean that it is totally fair to adopt this high and mighty attitude with ‘us Neanderthals’, you must have a lot of time to think about these pearls of wisdom.....must be quiet at your branch of McDonalds.
juddy
to be fair Juddy good word or not (and there were many sticking up against the doom + some positive article submissions) I did a 'don't boo' article end of last season as well, I understand what some are saying and agree, you pay your money and take your choice, if you have to boo at all to show displeasure, I'd say the end of the game is the only acceptable time though and do agree, not all are neanderthals, some might be sheep but most are just passionate about Villa and worried. Also on a wider point, it isn't just Villa fans, not sure where some Villa fans have got this new thing that we are the worst and the only ones to do such things, due to the nature of my job running this network, I get to see comments from all clubs and fans etc and they are all just as up and down, it is just football and just passion. Do hate the regular booing though, if it was once in a while to prove a point it would be ok ish I think but towards the end of last season it was pretty much every game so a) the message gets lost b) the players.... a lot of whom are still young and learning... start to get a bit too nervous.
The Fear
to be fair Juddy good word or not (and there were many sticking up against the doom + some positive article submissions) I did a 'don't boo' article end of last season as well, I understand what some are saying and agree, you pay your money and take your choice, if you have to boo at all to show displeasure, I'd say the end of the game is the only acceptable time though and do agree, not all are neanderthals, some might be sheep but most are just passionate about Villa and worried. Also on a wider point, it isn't just Villa fans, not sure where some Villa fans have got this new thing that we are the worst and the only ones to do such things, due to the nature of my job running this network, I get to see comments from all clubs and fans etc and they are all just as up and down, it is just football and just passion. Do hate the regular booing though, if it was once in a while to prove a point it would be ok ish I think but towards the end of last season it was pretty much every game so a) the message gets lost b) the players.... a lot of whom are still young and learning... start to get a bit too nervous.
The Fear
Voice as ever you are embarrassed by Villa fans, your post was winding up to be a good one before you again turned on them, always such a shame to read, there is nothing wrong with our following, yes some boo but they still pay their money, turn up and throughout the game sing their hearts out... better than sitting in an arm chair moning, agree with them or not (I repeat, I don't like the boo's really... I did understand them v Wigan though) Also please stop with the murder pool stuff on this site, in future I'll have to delete the comments mate, you know my feelings on that sort of stuff, it is just offensive, like all you are entitled to your views but when I leave them up printed on this site, it reflects on me. I would have deleted that post if not for it being a long one which took you time and consideration to put up.
The Fear
Voice as ever you are embarrassed by Villa fans, your post was winding up to be a good one before you again turned on them, always such a shame to read, there is nothing wrong with our following, yes some boo but they still pay their money, turn up and throughout the game sing their hearts out... better than sitting in an arm chair moning, agree with them or not (I repeat, I don't like the boo's really... I did understand them v Wigan though) Also please stop with the murder pool stuff on this site, in future I'll have to delete the comments mate, you know my feelings on that sort of stuff, it is just offensive, like all you are entitled to your views but when I leave them up printed on this site, it reflects on me. I would have deleted that post if not for it being a long one which took you time and consideration to put up.
The Fear
I just want to set the record straight, did I boo at any time during the Wigan game......no. Do I think I am a better Villa Fan than anybody else on here....no. Do I think I can lambast those who did boo.....guess what....no! My point is that people are saying that supporters booed after 45 / 90 minutes of football....I think this is not the case. We had been pretty poor from January onwards, the Manager has been quoted (regularly) saying we have a small squad, doesn't like playing people out of position etc. The Summer arrives (well, it's raining), the time to act is now, the tension mounts, the gossip flies around the Vital Villa Website, the optimism builds.....then we turn up and capitulate to Wigan!! THAT IS WHY THEY BOOED! Here’s a statistic which was given to me by an Arsenal fan (from Barrow, don’t get me started).....who are the only Premiership team in history to have 52 points in January and not finish in the top 3......answers of a Claret and Blue postcard.
juddy
I just want to set the record straight, did I boo at any time during the Wigan game......no. Do I think I am a better Villa Fan than anybody else on here....no. Do I think I can lambast those who did boo.....guess what....no! My point is that people are saying that supporters booed after 45 / 90 minutes of football....I think this is not the case. We had been pretty poor from January onwards, the Manager has been quoted (regularly) saying we have a small squad, doesn't like playing people out of position etc. The Summer arrives (well, it's raining), the time to act is now, the tension mounts, the gossip flies around the Vital Villa Website, the optimism builds.....then we turn up and capitulate to Wigan!! THAT IS WHY THEY BOOED! Here’s a statistic which was given to me by an Arsenal fan (from Barrow, don’t get me started).....who are the only Premiership team in history to have 52 points in January and not finish in the top 3......answers of a Claret and Blue postcard.
juddy
Of course I meant...top 4!
juddy
Of course I meant...top 4!
juddy
Fear old boy, you will see I have only critisised a 'sizeable minority' of Villa fans, not all of them. It appears that some people do not have an understanding of the term 'minority'. Villa fans that actually support the club are brilliant, the best in the world. However this 'sizeable minority' are dragging us all down. Even on MOTD after the Wigan game, Alan Hansen commented that Villa fans have a reputation for 'getting after their own players very quickly'. What sort of reputation is that to have? That reputation is not down to the vast majority, it is down to the 'sizeable minority', and that minority is reflecting on all of us. So if you are a fan that boos or one that fails to give any vocal support, you are the ones that are dragging us all down in to this abyss of negativity. And I and nearly every decent fan is not happy. I have decided tonight to give away my ticket that I have paid for in the Holte as part of the cup scheme, to take a few clients and a couple of pals on a corporate offer in the Trinity. I will then be able to give another report on the actual vocal backing this stand gives the team. On EVERY occasion I have been in the Trinity (and the Witton Lane) before there has ALWAYS been more negative comments from the fans than positive. Lets see if tonight is any different. History tells me though that fans in the Trinity /Witton are happier abusing players than vocally supporting them . . . . . even when we are winning!!!! How does that happen????
voiceoftheholte
Fear old boy, you will see I have only critisised a 'sizeable minority' of Villa fans, not all of them. It appears that some people do not have an understanding of the term 'minority'. Villa fans that actually support the club are brilliant, the best in the world. However this 'sizeable minority' are dragging us all down. Even on MOTD after the Wigan game, Alan Hansen commented that Villa fans have a reputation for 'getting after their own players very quickly'. What sort of reputation is that to have? That reputation is not down to the vast majority, it is down to the 'sizeable minority', and that minority is reflecting on all of us. So if you are a fan that boos or one that fails to give any vocal support, you are the ones that are dragging us all down in to this abyss of negativity. And I and nearly every decent fan is not happy. I have decided tonight to give away my ticket that I have paid for in the Holte as part of the cup scheme, to take a few clients and a couple of pals on a corporate offer in the Trinity. I will then be able to give another report on the actual vocal backing this stand gives the team. On EVERY occasion I have been in the Trinity (and the Witton Lane) before there has ALWAYS been more negative comments from the fans than positive. Lets see if tonight is any different. History tells me though that fans in the Trinity /Witton are happier abusing players than vocally supporting them . . . . . even when we are winning!!!! How does that happen????
voiceoftheholte
Firstly, completely agree with the article, my brother did sports science too and he's said the same to me on occasion, its not constructive and is completely disrespectful to the club, its staff and to the fans. secondly, VOTH, after i read the article i scrolled down the comments knowing that i would find you and your 'holier than thou' posts (which cause the same kind of unrest on here as the naysayers that this article is against!!) i, like many other villa fans have scouse mates and your comments show that you have the same mentality as those who do the booing. change your username as you do not speak for me or many other people who reside in the Holte end.
bobbyfett
Firstly, completely agree with the article, my brother did sports science too and he's said the same to me on occasion, its not constructive and is completely disrespectful to the club, its staff and to the fans. secondly, VOTH, after i read the article i scrolled down the comments knowing that i would find you and your 'holier than thou' posts (which cause the same kind of unrest on here as the naysayers that this article is against!!) i, like many other villa fans have scouse mates and your comments show that you have the same mentality as those who do the booing. change your username as you do not speak for me or many other people who reside in the Holte end.
bobbyfett
Voice agreed kind sir, you are improving (or am I getting worse?!?!?!) Just a shame this myth that seems to be growing amongst fans that we are the worst, the this, the that and the other.... ho and indeed hum! Lets hope for a good attendance tonight eh?! Have looked up the word minority by the way... noted! :o)
The Fear
Voice agreed kind sir, you are improving (or am I getting worse?!?!?!) Just a shame this myth that seems to be growing amongst fans that we are the worst, the this, the that and the other.... ho and indeed hum! Lets hope for a good attendance tonight eh?! Have looked up the word minority by the way... noted! :o)
The Fear
oh, by the way, not sure about the trinity abusing rather than supporting, I sit on the touchline right by MON and don't hear that much, but some are idiots for sure, used to cringe a few who would call 'useless' to de la cruz, how the hell is that going to help a player?!?!?
The Fear
oh, by the way, not sure about the trinity abusing rather than supporting, I sit on the touchline right by MON and don't hear that much, but some are idiots for sure, used to cringe a few who would call 'useless' to de la cruz, how the hell is that going to help a player?!?!?
The Fear
TOTALLY agree juddy and have said so in the GK thread in the forum + booing thread. For one thing, at least the fans, even those that boo, ARE AT THE GAME and are for most of the game supporting, if the boo's were during the game I'd be far more distraught. Also completely agree it WASN'T after just one game and that is how the press and some fans have tried to portray it and that has been helped again by MON comments. The booing argument will go on and on and not just at Villa. I guess there aren't many ways fans can express their views other than the odd boo, it is just when the boo's start at each game the message is lost and things get out of hand. I did say to GK that I dont' think that MON would have exactly applauded the players into the dressing room at half time v Wigan... it was SO very bad! Anyway, here is to a win tonight chaps and chappesses!
The Fear
TOTALLY agree juddy and have said so in the GK thread in the forum + booing thread. For one thing, at least the fans, even those that boo, ARE AT THE GAME and are for most of the game supporting, if the boo's were during the game I'd be far more distraught. Also completely agree it WASN'T after just one game and that is how the press and some fans have tried to portray it and that has been helped again by MON comments. The booing argument will go on and on and not just at Villa. I guess there aren't many ways fans can express their views other than the odd boo, it is just when the boo's start at each game the message is lost and things get out of hand. I did say to GK that I dont' think that MON would have exactly applauded the players into the dressing room at half time v Wigan... it was SO very bad! Anyway, here is to a win tonight chaps and chappesses!
The Fear
bobbyfett, here is another holier than thou post. I like many Villa fans have a deep dislike of all things Redscouse. I have been rebuked for term 'Murderpool' by the site editor and will try and refrain from that perticular term in the future. However, having friends who have been attacked , stabbed, abused by people of the red persuasion and having watched them blame everybody but themselves for Heysel, Hillsborough (and I like most folks can never imagine the pain felt by the victims and families) and Athens I will continue with my anti Redscouse slant. I hate the fact that their secondary 'anthem' is an Irish republican song that I and many thousands of other people who have served this country, have had sang in our faces as we have been bricked and petrol bombed by Irish scumbags. In my eyes Redscouse can shove Fields of Anthenry, Walk On and their blame everybody but themselves culture, right up where the sun doesn't shine. Up the Villa.
voiceoftheholte
bobbyfett, here is another holier than thou post. I like many Villa fans have a deep dislike of all things Redscouse. I have been rebuked for term 'Murderpool' by the site editor and will try and refrain from that perticular term in the future. However, having friends who have been attacked , stabbed, abused by people of the red persuasion and having watched them blame everybody but themselves for Heysel, Hillsborough (and I like most folks can never imagine the pain felt by the victims and families) and Athens I will continue with my anti Redscouse slant. I hate the fact that their secondary 'anthem' is an Irish republican song that I and many thousands of other people who have served this country, have had sang in our faces as we have been bricked and petrol bombed by Irish scumbags. In my eyes Redscouse can shove Fields of Anthenry, Walk On and their blame everybody but themselves culture, right up where the sun doesn't shine. Up the Villa.
voiceoftheholte
appreciate what you have done for your country, but your arguments contradict one another, whilst on one had you say that we are being given a reputation by the acts of a few, on the other hand, you are doing exactly the same! not everyone in liverpool is a murderer and not all irish people are scumbags.
bobbyfett
appreciate what you have done for your country, but your arguments contradict one another, whilst on one had you say that we are being given a reputation by the acts of a few, on the other hand, you are doing exactly the same! not everyone in liverpool is a murderer and not all irish people are scumbags.
bobbyfett
Certainly my point, again a minority (just like our lot now) taint any club with bad actions... anyway, starting to totally stray now chaps..!
The Fear
Certainly my point, again a minority (just like our lot now) taint any club with bad actions... anyway, starting to totally stray now chaps..!
The Fear
yeah, what were we talking about again?.......!!
bobbyfett
yeah, what were we talking about again?.......!!
bobbyfett
Not really bobbyfett. I will defend our club and our supporters (the decent majority, as the boo boy minority are indefensible) to the hilt. However I said Irish scumbags regularly pelted the British with petrol bombs, I never said all Irish were scumbags. But the people that did it were Irish and they were scumbags. Not all Redscouse fans are murderers but I have yet to meet one of them that accepts that any of them have any responsibility for the events of Heysel, Hillsborough and Athens. Once an accident, twice, coincidence at best. But three times is a reflection of the whole of Redscouse FC. UTV, stop the booing and lets create an 'us against the world fortress Villa Park'.
voiceoftheholte
Not really bobbyfett. I will defend our club and our supporters (the decent majority, as the boo boy minority are indefensible) to the hilt. However I said Irish scumbags regularly pelted the British with petrol bombs, I never said all Irish were scumbags. But the people that did it were Irish and they were scumbags. Not all Redscouse fans are murderers but I have yet to meet one of them that accepts that any of them have any responsibility for the events of Heysel, Hillsborough and Athens. Once an accident, twice, coincidence at best. But three times is a reflection of the whole of Redscouse FC. UTV, stop the booing and lets create an 'us against the world fortress Villa Park'.
voiceoftheholte
Let's hope that the boys give us something to cheer tonight which carries us through to the Fulham game on Sunday....we need a couple of good results to get the good feeling going again, and of course Mr O'Neil to to prove the doubters (me included) wrong by bringing some much needed quality to our great team before the window slams shut. On a lighter note: 'John Carew, Carew...he plays for a game or two....he's out with a knock or 'Flu, John Carew, Carew'. COME ON YOU LIONS!!!
juddy
Let's hope that the boys give us something to cheer tonight which carries us through to the Fulham game on Sunday....we need a couple of good results to get the good feeling going again, and of course Mr O'Neil to to prove the doubters (me included) wrong by bringing some much needed quality to our great team before the window slams shut. On a lighter note: 'John Carew, Carew...he plays for a game or two....he's out with a knock or 'Flu, John Carew, Carew'. COME ON YOU LIONS!!!
juddy
 

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