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Villa Fans Says This Is Beyond A Joke

Please, put your hands up all those of you, who, by late January this year, did not realise that this strange, unique and very special football team that we support was in need of more players. What, so few of you?

In other words, most of you knew by that time that, unless some major purchases were made in the end of season transfer window, we would be in trouble. When Martin Laursen was injured it was self evident that our current crop of CB’s was not up to the task so at the end of the season we sell the back-up CB and don't buy another. Plus, we played most of last season with no consistent RB, just fill-ins and with the sole experienced RB on our books, playing out of position.

Only the most optimistic would have expected Barry to stay at Villa once the end of season decline had set in, so it was clear long before the transfer window opened that, even to stand still, we needed two exceptional players plus a number of others..

So, did we make a move to replace those two players whom, it would appear, are irreplaceable? No. At the end of the season our manager and the back room staff within the Villa Park set up, all disappeared from the radar for almost a month. I am not begrudging them their hard earned rest at the end of a long and stressful season, but surely it is not beyond their competence to have set up enquiries and offers for a number of players who might be able to fill the huge boots of our two missing players. Yes, yes, I know transfers in this day and age are complicated negotiations and take time, but surely, after the new season has started, we don’t need to be told by our manager firstly, that we need new players and secondly, that he seems to have just found out that we have a small squad and used many less players during the season than any other team in the league.

Mind you, the second point of revelation seems to have come after he has been telling us since September 2008 that we have a small squad. So, does it not become somewhat sickening to read in a Newsnow blog from the Birmingham Mail our manager has admitted that we need new players? It really is insulting our intelligence and our patience.

In addition, I wonder how many of you, like me, are heartily sick of reading every day that Villa are planning “a raid”, “a swoop”, “to snatch”, “to splash the cash” and so on. Yet the outcome is one midfielder/winger with a long term injury, an untried midfielder and a goalkeeper. None of whom are ever likely in the short term to fill Barry’s shoes and certainly not Laursen’s. So please, don’t keep telling us we need more players, we know that and it would seem we knew it before our manager.

But, of course, that is ridiculous, he has known for two years at least, that we have needed a raft of players that have never materialised. So what is going on behind the scenes at Villa Park? I suspect that given a free hand and the cash resources MON would have brought in the players we need and we would be seriously considering an attack on the Champions League this season, instead of wondering where our first three points are coming from. So is Randy being parsimonious because the cash is short or is there some other reason. I for one am not blaming MON, he is an intelligent and passionate man who is, perhaps, too loyal to Randy and is, therefore, prepared to take the blame, for the time being, for what is happening at the club. Do not be surprised to find MON is on his way to pastures new if the right offer, with cash backing for players, comes along. I do hope I am wrong, but I feel it in my water. Certainly MON has not been his usual ebullient self recently.

So, are we going to get those two urgent replacements for Laursen and Barry? Frankly, I doubt it. It is not that such players are not available, if you are prepared to pay the right price. It would seem, sadly, that the will to do so is missing and once again this season MON will have to make do with what we have, playing people out of position and making do. I really, really want to be wrong about all this, but somehow I doubt it.

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Writer: Obediah Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday August 19 2009

Time: 2:29PM

Your Comments

It IS Mon. Ask any Celtic fan what he was like with transfers and they'll tell you a familiar story. I've been stickig up for MON for ages against the doubters but unless we get in 4 players by the end of this month then I may just have to re-evaluate how I feel about things.
Platypus
It IS Mon. Ask any Celtic fan what he was like with transfers and they'll tell you a familiar story. I've been stickig up for MON for ages against the doubters but unless we get in 4 players by the end of this month then I may just have to re-evaluate how I feel about things.
Platypus
What a refreshing surprise, another negative comment on vital villa. The window has 2 weeks to run, have you thought that the players he is after are not able to leave their clubs until they have found suitable replacements? I am sure MON is fully aware that we need to replace our 2 best players, it is fully in his interests to replace them. If he just went out and bought anyone to cover (like he did with knight and harewood) you moan, if he takes his time to get the people in he wants you moan. No one as a manager of this football club can win. Maybe if people got behind the team and stopped all the negativity and constant booing the team might improve. I cant wait to go to Anfield on Monday and be surrounded by 2000 people who will support the lads no matter what, i was there for the 5-0 last season and we were still behind them at the end. Our club has become a joke because of our awful home support and the constant negativity sprouted on message boards.Save your moaning till the end of the window then moan about the squad all you want
pauled177
What a refreshing surprise, another negative comment on vital villa. The window has 2 weeks to run, have you thought that the players he is after are not able to leave their clubs until they have found suitable replacements? I am sure MON is fully aware that we need to replace our 2 best players, it is fully in his interests to replace them. If he just went out and bought anyone to cover (like he did with knight and harewood) you moan, if he takes his time to get the people in he wants you moan. No one as a manager of this football club can win. Maybe if people got behind the team and stopped all the negativity and constant booing the team might improve. I cant wait to go to Anfield on Monday and be surrounded by 2000 people who will support the lads no matter what, i was there for the 5-0 last season and we were still behind them at the end. Our club has become a joke because of our awful home support and the constant negativity sprouted on message boards.Save your moaning till the end of the window then moan about the squad all you want
pauled177
hang on, we can't be short of money - we spend 12m on a very average player. i know a lot of clubs can't afford that luxury
ric112
hang on, we can't be short of money - we spend 12m on a very average player. i know a lot of clubs can't afford that luxury
ric112
Yawn.... 2.29pm Paperboy late today Obediah?
Stourbridge Villan
Yawn.... 2.29pm Paperboy late today Obediah?
Stourbridge Villan
MON has said before he feels like he's spending his own money when buying players and apparently felt guilty spending £500 over 2 seasons in his first managerial post in a non-league club so I don't blame Randy. This is MON's modus operandi and will never change.
Kiwivillan
MON has said before he feels like he's spending his own money when buying players and apparently felt guilty spending £500 over 2 seasons in his first managerial post in a non-league club so I don't blame Randy. This is MON's modus operandi and will never change.
Kiwivillan
For any of you lazy hacks who turn up to MON's press conferences for the free tea and biscuits, can you put forward a simple question for me? somthing akin to. "Since the end of last season, without question you have lost your two most influential players, Barry and Laursen. It is unbelievable to most Villa fans that you would willingly enter into a new season without replacements. Why have you not addressed this problem" ?
villa onion bag
For any of you lazy hacks who turn up to MON's press conferences for the free tea and biscuits, can you put forward a simple question for me? somthing akin to. "Since the end of last season, without question you have lost your two most influential players, Barry and Laursen. It is unbelievable to most Villa fans that you would willingly enter into a new season without replacements. Why have you not addressed this problem" ?
villa onion bag
For all those who've been attracted to this post by its headline, please understand that the author in no way represents the majority of Villa supporters. There is a small but vocal group of conspiracy theorists and serial whingers who, when things are not going as they would like, look to apportion blame on others. This is after all a lot easier than thinking about other, less controversial but more likely, explanations. We can only be thankful that the club is not in the hands of the witless numpties who speak with such certainty about things they clearly know little about.
Freelancelot
For all those who've been attracted to this post by its headline, please understand that the author in no way represents the majority of Villa supporters. There is a small but vocal group of conspiracy theorists and serial whingers who, when things are not going as they would like, look to apportion blame on others. This is after all a lot easier than thinking about other, less controversial but more likely, explanations. We can only be thankful that the club is not in the hands of the witless numpties who speak with such certainty about things they clearly know little about.
Freelancelot
This site is rotten to the core.
lorenzo
This site is rotten to the core.
lorenzo
Same old same old...blah-de-blah-de-blah...
olofthegreat
Same old same old...blah-de-blah-de-blah...
olofthegreat
lorenzo i couldnt agree with you more
pauled177
lorenzo i couldnt agree with you more
pauled177
Well written article Obediah. I think your thesis regarding transfers is flawed though. Didn't MON have the second biggest transfer kitty in the country last close season? He blew it on the likes of Steve Sidwell, who could barely buy a game last season. This season, as several posters have attested today, he spent twelve-million quid on an average winger with a serious injury. It was also pointed out today that Arsenal acquired the Ajax defender Villa had supposedly been "monitoring", for less than Downing. I'd be very interested to compare Martin O'Neill's and Arsene Wenger's respective records in the transfer market, both in cash spent and players acquired. It would be intersting to see the EPL's transfer data/stats for the last three seasons. You'll probably find MON has had plenty of funds relative to most other clubs, except Citeh and Chelsea. Wenger isn't known for splashing the cash, but when he does he brings quality to N.London. I could write a list as long as your arm, of the number of relatively unknown players Wenger has brought in, who later became household names. I also find O'Neill's apparent lack of confidence in foreign players truly depressing. Yes, its nice to have homegrown players. However, what really matters is that a player is of good character and gives 100% for the side. A true Villan isn't bothered if the players are black, white, brown or green. Ditto, who's really interested in what passport a footballer holds? Platini maybe, but not the genuine fan. Does anyone really see Laursen as anything other than twenty-four carret Villa legend, because he's a Dane? This seeming disregard for overseas talent is clearly another-often overlooked- reason the club has been struggling since around February. Along with the completely illogical ditching of the winning 4-5-1 system, and the regression to 4-4-2. The modern scientific approach to football seems like an anethema to O'Neill. MON isn't a bad guy, or a completely bad manager. He came very close to breaking Villa into the top four last season. Even his detractors must have felt a little sorry for him on Saturday. Also, If he was sacked or resigned who would replace him? Newcastle are an example of what can happen when a chairman panics and turfs out good-but-not-great bosses once to often. The reasons for the decline though are there for most fans to see. Poor decisions in the transfer market and outdated or irrelevant "tactics". Meanwhile, new up and coming managers like Martinez, and old campaigners like Fergie and Wenger, march towards the footballing future. A future Villa may not be a part of, unless there are some radical changes in terms of thinking and personnel at Villa Park
VillaWillRiseAgain
Well written article Obediah. I think your thesis regarding transfers is flawed though. Didn't MON have the second biggest transfer kitty in the country last close season? He blew it on the likes of Steve Sidwell, who could barely buy a game last season. This season, as several posters have attested today, he spent twelve-million quid on an average winger with a serious injury. It was also pointed out today that Arsenal acquired the Ajax defender Villa had supposedly been "monitoring", for less than Downing. I'd be very interested to compare Martin O'Neill's and Arsene Wenger's respective records in the transfer market, both in cash spent and players acquired. It would be intersting to see the EPL's transfer data/stats for the last three seasons. You'll probably find MON has had plenty of funds relative to most other clubs, except Citeh and Chelsea. Wenger isn't known for splashing the cash, but when he does he brings quality to N.London. I could write a list as long as your arm, of the number of relatively unknown players Wenger has brought in, who later became household names. I also find O'Neill's apparent lack of confidence in foreign players truly depressing. Yes, its nice to have homegrown players. However, what really matters is that a player is of good character and gives 100% for the side. A true Villan isn't bothered if the players are black, white, brown or green. Ditto, who's really interested in what passport a footballer holds? Platini maybe, but not the genuine fan. Does anyone really see Laursen as anything other than twenty-four carret Villa legend, because he's a Dane? This seeming disregard for overseas talent is clearly another-often overlooked- reason the club has been struggling since around February. Along with the completely illogical ditching of the winning 4-5-1 system, and the regression to 4-4-2. The modern scientific approach to football seems like an anethema to O'Neill. MON isn't a bad guy, or a completely bad manager. He came very close to breaking Villa into the top four last season. Even his detractors must have felt a little sorry for him on Saturday. Also, If he was sacked or resigned who would replace him? Newcastle are an example of what can happen when a chairman panics and turfs out good-but-not-great bosses once to often. The reasons for the decline though are there for most fans to see. Poor decisions in the transfer market and outdated or irrelevant "tactics". Meanwhile, new up and coming managers like Martinez, and old campaigners like Fergie and Wenger, march towards the footballing future. A future Villa may not be a part of, unless there are some radical changes in terms of thinking and personnel at Villa Park
VillaWillRiseAgain
Lorenzo....Don't post on here then. I bet you love all the articles praising the messiah don't you? Pity you can't allow other people their own opinions.
jonah
Lorenzo....Don't post on here then. I bet you love all the articles praising the messiah don't you? Pity you can't allow other people their own opinions.
jonah
This is quite embarassing. The transfer merry go round hasn't really got going yet. Villa have done well to get who they have so far. There'll be a lot of action as we near the end of the month and hopefully MON can get his targets (this will require all his powers of persuasion and a bit of luck too). There article represents an over simplification of the transfer market which is shared by many discontented fans
RoyalVilla
This is quite embarassing. The transfer merry go round hasn't really got going yet. Villa have done well to get who they have so far. There'll be a lot of action as we near the end of the month and hopefully MON can get his targets (this will require all his powers of persuasion and a bit of luck too). There article represents an over simplification of the transfer market which is shared by many discontented fans
RoyalVilla
well from the replys so far you would have to say that the headline is slightly misleading...maybe should say "a small portion of Villa fans" as a large percenage probably don't even visit this or other sites (IMO). However, some interesting points raised, Lack of funds being one...i have said before, where is the evidence to support the theories on Mr Lerners supposed lack of funding?? listen to the Celtic fans, look at the type of players MON has bought in the past.....i think there are a lot of wild accusations posted on here, born from frustration! i am happy with the manager an chairman and so are my 5 Villa supporting mates here in Germany with me! UTV
Kuffit
well from the replys so far you would have to say that the headline is slightly misleading...maybe should say "a small portion of Villa fans" as a large percenage probably don't even visit this or other sites (IMO). However, some interesting points raised, Lack of funds being one...i have said before, where is the evidence to support the theories on Mr Lerners supposed lack of funding?? listen to the Celtic fans, look at the type of players MON has bought in the past.....i think there are a lot of wild accusations posted on here, born from frustration! i am happy with the manager an chairman and so are my 5 Villa supporting mates here in Germany with me! UTV
Kuffit
Would appear (according to SSN) that we have firmed up a bid for Upson, I think more than capable of replacing Laursen, 3rd choice England centre back for yeas now. Does this point to a lack of funds or bad decisions in the market?
capitalvilla
Would appear (according to SSN) that we have firmed up a bid for Upson, I think more than capable of replacing Laursen, 3rd choice England centre back for yeas now. Does this point to a lack of funds or bad decisions in the market?
capitalvilla
yep sky link here -http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5500533,00.html
goodb_2
yep sky link here -http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5500533,00.html
goodb_2
Furthermore, MON faces a difficult task in building a team at Villa. We don't have the draw of London or CL football and can't mitigate this with a bottomless pit of £££ like Man City. This is the real world, not Champ Manager. MON has to adopt a strategy of buying emerging talent and balancing that with the best experience he can aquire. This can be risky, but buying British youth can help to mitigate the risk as they are less of an unknown quantity e.g. the excellent signing (and subsequent loyalty) of A Young. This makes us an attractive proposition to talented youth, hence Delph choosing us over Man Ci£y and Spuds. Where we can't 'buy' we must 'make', hence our excellent training facilities and academy; we really do have some excellent young players coming through the ranks. I believe that if you look at MON's transfer dealing pragmatically (esp considering he has had to virtually rebuild the team and club from the ground up) then he's done quite well. I'm sure he and all at the club are determined to bring in players to take us to the next level, but this is difficult for a club like Villa. So let's let them get on with it and hope things go our way and in the mean time support our club and players.
RoyalVilla
Furthermore, MON faces a difficult task in building a team at Villa. We don't have the draw of London or CL football and can't mitigate this with a bottomless pit of £££ like Man City. This is the real world, not Champ Manager. MON has to adopt a strategy of buying emerging talent and balancing that with the best experience he can aquire. This can be risky, but buying British youth can help to mitigate the risk as they are less of an unknown quantity e.g. the excellent signing (and subsequent loyalty) of A Young. This makes us an attractive proposition to talented youth, hence Delph choosing us over Man Ci£y and Spuds. Where we can't 'buy' we must 'make', hence our excellent training facilities and academy; we really do have some excellent young players coming through the ranks. I believe that if you look at MON's transfer dealing pragmatically (esp considering he has had to virtually rebuild the team and club from the ground up) then he's done quite well. I'm sure he and all at the club are determined to bring in players to take us to the next level, but this is difficult for a club like Villa. So let's let them get on with it and hope things go our way and in the mean time support our club and players.
RoyalVilla
Its a hard job buying and selling. Curtis and Cuellar were well worth a punt. They haven't quite worked out yet but looked O.K. next to Laursen. Zat was down to sentiment and he never would have been bought if he wasn't a Villan (or 6 foot 6.) Marlon and Heskey weren't even gambles. They aren't of high enough quality to lead a line in a successful team in the English Prem and were doomed from the start. Gutted for Sidwell as think he could do a half decent job given the right support and team around him but to play Delph with no experience is schoolboy management. He has *****ed off most of the midfield boys now. What are they there for as MON obviously doesn't rate them!! We need a squad of happy competitive players and MON will never be able to acheive that because he has favourites who he won't drop regardless of form and this is massively counter productive. For those who say this is the minorities way of thinking, I don't think you're right and don't care anyway as there's obviously something wrong which I think you'd be able to see if you took off your MON Stylee Claret and Blue tinted glasses/specs. Hope I'm proved wrong...
Villan444
Its a hard job buying and selling. Curtis and Cuellar were well worth a punt. They haven't quite worked out yet but looked O.K. next to Laursen. Zat was down to sentiment and he never would have been bought if he wasn't a Villan (or 6 foot 6.) Marlon and Heskey weren't even gambles. They aren't of high enough quality to lead a line in a successful team in the English Prem and were doomed from the start. Gutted for Sidwell as think he could do a half decent job given the right support and team around him but to play Delph with no experience is schoolboy management. He has *****ed off most of the midfield boys now. What are they there for as MON obviously doesn't rate them!! We need a squad of happy competitive players and MON will never be able to acheive that because he has favourites who he won't drop regardless of form and this is massively counter productive. For those who say this is the minorities way of thinking, I don't think you're right and don't care anyway as there's obviously something wrong which I think you'd be able to see if you took off your MON Stylee Claret and Blue tinted glasses/specs. Hope I'm proved wrong...
Villan444
why is the site rotten to the core? Why aren't you discussing with respect? Why aren't you on the two recent opti articles or the many many news items, excellent match reports, the charity donations through the site? Do you want censorship to suit only your own opinion? Do you also want to stop all those who were moaning on Saturday to not be allowed in to Villa and all those that booed (not me) to be somehow castigated? Get some perspective, this is no different to how football has always been. JG, GT, DOL all split opinions, back in the day (towards the end) so did Big Ron and BL started to be questioned towards the end of his reign. Same with players some loved Hendry, others hated him, still ALL Villa fans though. I take great pride in the work on this site and the fact we air other fans opinions ... I don't always agree with what they are saying but I'm not going to turn and say no if they have taken the time to write a decent article (as said, whether I agree or not) Why do people want football to be so black and white? Show some respect to other people's opinions and then tell them why you think they are wrong... rotten to the core... jeez.
The Fear
why is the site rotten to the core? Why aren't you discussing with respect? Why aren't you on the two recent opti articles or the many many news items, excellent match reports, the charity donations through the site? Do you want censorship to suit only your own opinion? Do you also want to stop all those who were moaning on Saturday to not be allowed in to Villa and all those that booed (not me) to be somehow castigated? Get some perspective, this is no different to how football has always been. JG, GT, DOL all split opinions, back in the day (towards the end) so did Big Ron and BL started to be questioned towards the end of his reign. Same with players some loved Hendry, others hated him, still ALL Villa fans though. I take great pride in the work on this site and the fact we air other fans opinions ... I don't always agree with what they are saying but I'm not going to turn and say no if they have taken the time to write a decent article (as said, whether I agree or not) Why do people want football to be so black and white? Show some respect to other people's opinions and then tell them why you think they are wrong... rotten to the core... jeez.
The Fear
Ding Ding! Round One to The Fear!
olofthegreat
Ding Ding! Round One to The Fear!
olofthegreat
first site i head to every day
Doug4ever
first site i head to every day
Doug4ever
Well said 'The Fear'...reading all the moaning is the highlight of my day....all part of the fun of this great sport...UTV.
MASON_PARKER
Well said 'The Fear'...reading all the moaning is the highlight of my day....all part of the fun of this great sport...UTV.
MASON_PARKER
lol, funny old game folks! Those who don't like these negi ones haven't posted on the opti articles, why is that!? :o)

The opti's: You Don't Know What You Had 'til It's Gone! and Villa Fan Enjoys The Rollercoaster Ride! and Anti depressants For Some Villa Fans????
the fear
lol, funny old game folks! Those who don't like these negi ones haven't posted on the opti articles, why is that!? :o)

The opti's: You Don't Know What You Had 'til It's Gone! and Villa Fan Enjoys The Rollercoaster Ride! and Anti depressants For Some Villa Fans????
the fear
Good article. Agree wholeheartedly. Would also like to add that we SHOULD have had an added attraction for prospective buys as we are in Europe, but this seems not to have been capitalized upon.
VillaYamYam
Good article. Agree wholeheartedly. Would also like to add that we SHOULD have had an added attraction for prospective buys as we are in Europe, but this seems not to have been capitalized upon.
VillaYamYam
A lot on hear are saying only a hard core minority are negative, what about the 7000 that did not turn up on Saturday, if we had made a few more signings Villa Park would have been full, that is how to run the club as a business, this site is excellent, some of the opti comments are good points well made and so are some of the negative comments, I like reading them all
ant1ant1
A lot on hear are saying only a hard core minority are negative, what about the 7000 that did not turn up on Saturday, if we had made a few more signings Villa Park would have been full, that is how to run the club as a business, this site is excellent, some of the opti comments are good points well made and so are some of the negative comments, I like reading them all
ant1ant1
im behind MON but like iv sed befor his abbility in transfers is a Joke just look at what business hes done! Cahill sold and replaced by knight who has now been sold WHY, salifo supposable the african zidan but was actualy a complete waste of sperm, if hes all our scouts can come up with then id sack the lot!!! shorey poor, harewood poor! reo-coker possible getting sold and doesnt play very oftern, sidwell again doesnt play not good enogh, barry sold not replaced laursen retired not replaced the list could go on and on! apart from L and A Young, Milner and the swap deal he did with baros for carew i think the majority of his transfers dealings have been poor!! Why does he always wait to see who else is going in for his targets and then wait for them to make the 1st move befor he does just so he can maybe get them cheaper but instead ends up missing on these so called targets and we have to settle for youth/reserve players again and listen to the good old small squad thing again! why not just spend the funds that Randy HAS sed are in place on players that can take us to the next level and not just on players that can make the numbers up at training for 12 months and be sold after that?? it just dont make sense to me!! i just think after almost acheving somethink great last season in nearly cracking the top 4 we have shown a real lack in ambition this transfer window and i think this is rubbing of on every think surounding the club players staff and us fans i also think this lack of activity is starting to rub of on the players and has got then asking the question why havent key players been replaced (YET). i no there is still 2 weeks to go but if i was a manager there is no way on this earth a week into the season i would'nt have replaced the 2 most KEY playes for us last year i would of done it straight away befor any pre-season tornements frendliys even a holiday FACT!! my gut feeling is telling me there is somethink very wrong going on behind the seens at villa park, iv just got a feeling some of the players are starting to loose the faith in mon's tactics selection choice and inability to buy lets just hope im wrong!!!
Mikeyvilla85
im behind MON but like iv sed befor his abbility in transfers is a Joke just look at what business hes done! Cahill sold and replaced by knight who has now been sold WHY, salifo supposable the african zidan but was actualy a complete waste of sperm, if hes all our scouts can come up with then id sack the lot!!! shorey poor, harewood poor! reo-coker possible getting sold and doesnt play very oftern, sidwell again doesnt play not good enogh, barry sold not replaced laursen retired not replaced the list could go on and on! apart from L and A Young, Milner and the swap deal he did with baros for carew i think the majority of his transfers dealings have been poor!! Why does he always wait to see who else is going in for his targets and then wait for them to make the 1st move befor he does just so he can maybe get them cheaper but instead ends up missing on these so called targets and we have to settle for youth/reserve players again and listen to the good old small squad thing again! why not just spend the funds that Randy HAS sed are in place on players that can take us to the next level and not just on players that can make the numbers up at training for 12 months and be sold after that?? it just dont make sense to me!! i just think after almost acheving somethink great last season in nearly cracking the top 4 we have shown a real lack in ambition this transfer window and i think this is rubbing of on every think surounding the club players staff and us fans i also think this lack of activity is starting to rub of on the players and has got then asking the question why havent key players been replaced (YET). i no there is still 2 weeks to go but if i was a manager there is no way on this earth a week into the season i would'nt have replaced the 2 most KEY playes for us last year i would of done it straight away befor any pre-season tornements frendliys even a holiday FACT!! my gut feeling is telling me there is somethink very wrong going on behind the seens at villa park, iv just got a feeling some of the players are starting to loose the faith in mon's tactics selection choice and inability to buy lets just hope im wrong!!!
Mikeyvilla85
Mr Fear is a top guy. The site is as good as the commentators who contribute to it - but it gives a good reflection of the range of opinions in greater Villadom. What more can you expect from a site? Transfer wise what gets me is that we seem incapable of a bargain. Curtis Davis and Cuellar are cases in point. Upson another if he comes. They all cost a fraction of what we paid when they were signed by their previous clubs. Same player - but we seem incapable of spotting a bargain, whereas Wigan are experts. Even then our big money signings clearly have not in any case lived upto expectations. £2 and £3 million purchases could be gambles and some of them turn up trumps, but to spend about £20 milion on 2 centtre backs who look like not doing the jobs we bought them for is a disastrous waste of money. Hopefully it is case not proven yet, and they may yet come good please.
stennyvilla
Mr Fear is a top guy. The site is as good as the commentators who contribute to it - but it gives a good reflection of the range of opinions in greater Villadom. What more can you expect from a site? Transfer wise what gets me is that we seem incapable of a bargain. Curtis Davis and Cuellar are cases in point. Upson another if he comes. They all cost a fraction of what we paid when they were signed by their previous clubs. Same player - but we seem incapable of spotting a bargain, whereas Wigan are experts. Even then our big money signings clearly have not in any case lived upto expectations. £2 and £3 million purchases could be gambles and some of them turn up trumps, but to spend about £20 milion on 2 centtre backs who look like not doing the jobs we bought them for is a disastrous waste of money. Hopefully it is case not proven yet, and they may yet come good please.
stennyvilla
So annoyed at that comment above by Lorenzo but well pleased by the Fear's response - I just had to sign up and expressed myself! Have been reading posts on here for months and it's always been interesting. Have been following the Villa since my Dad got me interested back in the run up to the title with BRMB's goal alerts, gone to games and had season tickets in the past - when I could afford such luxuries! I've also been frustrated with the management and relegations as well as euphoric (think that's how it's spelt?) with the highlights (european cup runs etc) and bits of luck here and there, special players and managers. But think we all need to recognise that some posts on here are expressions of feelings felt at that particular time as I think the above post merely is. - Just a feeling of frustration boiling over. BTW Hello everyone!
Quiet-one
So annoyed at that comment above by Lorenzo but well pleased by the Fear's response - I just had to sign up and expressed myself! Have been reading posts on here for months and it's always been interesting. Have been following the Villa since my Dad got me interested back in the run up to the title with BRMB's goal alerts, gone to games and had season tickets in the past - when I could afford such luxuries! I've also been frustrated with the management and relegations as well as euphoric (think that's how it's spelt?) with the highlights (european cup runs etc) and bits of luck here and there, special players and managers. But think we all need to recognise that some posts on here are expressions of feelings felt at that particular time as I think the above post merely is. - Just a feeling of frustration boiling over. BTW Hello everyone!
Quiet-one
Hangeland is another example, We could have bought him last year, but Fulham did instead, this flies in the face of some opinions on here that MON struggles to attract players as Villa are not as big as we think they are or we are not in London or we havn't got a bottomless pit of money, this is garbage, good players in positions we need have been brought in in the last 2 seasons for moderate money to less attractive clubs than Villa, Luke Young being an even better example when he went to Middlesborough
ant1ant1
Hangeland is another example, We could have bought him last year, but Fulham did instead, this flies in the face of some opinions on here that MON struggles to attract players as Villa are not as big as we think they are or we are not in London or we havn't got a bottomless pit of money, this is garbage, good players in positions we need have been brought in in the last 2 seasons for moderate money to less attractive clubs than Villa, Luke Young being an even better example when he went to Middlesborough
ant1ant1
welcome oh Quiet-one, more good points and lots of new people posting which again proves this site is the place to be
ant1ant1
welcome oh Quiet-one, more good points and lots of new people posting which again proves this site is the place to be
ant1ant1
"did we make a move to replace those two players whom, it would appear, are irreplaceable? No" - how do you know? We may have made moves to 20 players to replace those two and they've all turned us down/cone else where or just perhaps are still in negotiations. I whole heartedly agree with Pauled117 and RoyalVillian (he is the future king of England after all :)) this a rticle is a simplified view of the transfer system borne out of frustration. Be patient - good things come to those who wait.
AVFC4ME
"did we make a move to replace those two players whom, it would appear, are irreplaceable? No" - how do you know? We may have made moves to 20 players to replace those two and they've all turned us down/cone else where or just perhaps are still in negotiations. I whole heartedly agree with Pauled117 and RoyalVillian (he is the future king of England after all :)) this a rticle is a simplified view of the transfer system borne out of frustration. Be patient - good things come to those who wait.
AVFC4ME
Don`t give this manager another bean,h`s had the cash and pretty much wasted it,i`ll give him Ash and the Carew deal but look at the rest and there are question marks and in some cases disbelief.
ASPINALL
Don`t give this manager another bean,h`s had the cash and pretty much wasted it,i`ll give him Ash and the Carew deal but look at the rest and there are question marks and in some cases disbelief.
ASPINALL
Whatís yr gripe Lorenzo, Olaf TG and Pauled 177. you think you are the only guys that like MON, well so do I, but many fans on this site have the right to voice their opinions and sad to admit but many have validation in what they say. We spend too much money on players we could have bought earlier for less. We buy over priced players that donít come good, we procrastinate when it comes to the transfer windows, we stick to average English players when money can be well spent on decent foreigners donít get me wrong about getting rid of English players but they must be parity between quality English and quality foreign players. Donít think I base my assessment on only this past season, I am giving my view point on MONs entire reign so far. Another thing is, that fans are just not shocked by us losing to Wigan in isolation, if you look beyond that we have had an alarming slide since mid last season and it seemed to continue with the first match of this season. Our preseason included reserve players and they were great but we can judge anything by preseason. Playing players out of position is just AARRGGGHHHHH frustrating to them and the fans. But even in saying all this he has done ok with the 2 top 6 positions. Finally I really like this site and everyone who contributes here including u guys, but really yr comments today not so great guys!
Pablo1978
Whatís yr gripe Lorenzo, Olaf TG and Pauled 177. you think you are the only guys that like MON, well so do I, but many fans on this site have the right to voice their opinions and sad to admit but many have validation in what they say. We spend too much money on players we could have bought earlier for less. We buy over priced players that donít come good, we procrastinate when it comes to the transfer windows, we stick to average English players when money can be well spent on decent foreigners donít get me wrong about getting rid of English players but they must be parity between quality English and quality foreign players. Donít think I base my assessment on only this past season, I am giving my view point on MONs entire reign so far. Another thing is, that fans are just not shocked by us losing to Wigan in isolation, if you look beyond that we have had an alarming slide since mid last season and it seemed to continue with the first match of this season. Our preseason included reserve players and they were great but we can judge anything by preseason. Playing players out of position is just AARRGGGHHHHH frustrating to them and the fans. But even in saying all this he has done ok with the 2 top 6 positions. Finally I really like this site and everyone who contributes here including u guys, but really yr comments today not so great guys!
Pablo1978
if you look over the past few years (not just mon rain) just look at some of the class playes clubs have sold that have ended up at other clubs smallers than us just because we wont pay that extra bit in wages or weve took that long to do anythink about weve missed out on!!!!! Bent 2 sunderland scored again last night VERY disapointed he wasnt signed, Diarra to portsmouth real class middfielder and we wouldnt pay that extra bit in wage , Hangeland, R Keane remember when we could of had him for around 6.5mil and doug reffussed to pay an extra 500k
Mikeyvilla85
if you look over the past few years (not just mon rain) just look at some of the class playes clubs have sold that have ended up at other clubs smallers than us just because we wont pay that extra bit in wages or weve took that long to do anythink about weve missed out on!!!!! Bent 2 sunderland scored again last night VERY disapointed he wasnt signed, Diarra to portsmouth real class middfielder and we wouldnt pay that extra bit in wage , Hangeland, R Keane remember when we could of had him for around 6.5mil and doug reffussed to pay an extra 500k
Mikeyvilla85
agree with u totally on yr point as well mikeyvilla85
Pablo1978
agree with u totally on yr point as well mikeyvilla85
Pablo1978
 

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