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You Don't Know What You Had 'til It's Gone!

Article submission from JonH

(Big Yellow) Taxi For MON?

'Don't it always seem to go,
That you don't know what you've got till it's gone'

It is slowly dawning on us that MON is not the messiah after all, he is, in fact, just a very naughty boy.

The fans are split, opti's v negi's and the Fairy Glen v the Gremlin Glen.

Since saturday, passions are running high and various conspiracy theories abound: Is the money there? Has MON lost the dressing room? Will Ashley Young challenge Tom Daley at London 2012?

From my point of view I have read the various opposing opinions and postings on the forum and am trying to decide where I stand on the whole issue.

And it's a bit of a dilemma.............

Firstly, The Board and the financial situation.

It's now three years since RAL bought out Doug and at the time various undertakings were given and promises of investment made in both the infrastructure and the playing sides of the business.

In my opinion we are being run by a very competent, professional and honourable group of people who have kept up their end of the bargain. I know people say what's the point of a new pub, mosaic, steps etc if we're not doing it on the pitch? Fair point. What I'm saying is, why would they spend on one aspect as promised and not the other? I just don't see the logic in Randy spending millions on Bodymoor, The Holte Pub etc etc without investing in the core business i.e. the football team.

Well as a fan, I'm a lot more proud of our great, historic home now than I was three years ago when it was showing signs of being left to deteriorate. Our training complex is outstanding as befitting a 'big'
club. Also if the reason given for us not hosting any matches at the Olympics is true, i.e. construction works to the ground, then the money obviously is there and is being invested.

So, onto the second point, and the dilemma........... Martin O'Neill.

Let me state from the outset that I am an opti, a fan and hopefully one day ( if invited) a member of the Fairy Glen.

BUT I am not a blind optimist, things aren't going well at the moment. I've always taken each season as a seperate entity, meaning that each year we start afresh with a clean slate, however reading various posts on the forum does indicate a worrying trend, results wise, at the moment.

As I've already stated, I believe the money is there, I also believe that MON knows what we need. What I don't understand is why he dithers so in the market.

I think MON has already replaced Barry. I reckon he was convinced Barry was off to Liverpool last summer and bought Stevie Sidwell as his replacement. I like Sidwell and was pleased when we got him but I don't think he has been given an opportunity to really show us what he's about yet. What we desperately need are centre halves. Of all the usual suspects being bandied around I'd really only go for Upson. I think we should look further afield, Scandinavia or the Baltic leagues to uncover another hard, uncompromising player, the type of which seem to abound in these parts.

Anyway, I digress. As mentioned before. it's three years under the new regime during which time we have finished 11th and consolidated 6th place for the past two seasons. We have gone from being also-rans to contenders.

If you had offered me that three years ago would I have taken it? Absolutely.

It is a mark of how far we've come that last year was seen as a disappointment ONLY finishing 6th. Yes Moscow was a disgrace and our form petered out dramatically, yes we could and probably should have achieved more, but we were there, challenging and on merit. Benitez, S.A.F. and others recognised us as a threat, we were playing with the big boys again.

If you had offered me that three years ago would I have taken it? Hell yes.

So, the dilemma...........

Has Martin done enough over the past three years for us to continue to support him and give him the chance to turn the current situation around?

In this fans opinion, yes he has!

{for those that don't understand the references to the fairy glen, it is what an opti was labelled by a negi and it has sort of stuck since! ed}




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The Journalist

Writer: Jon.H Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday August 19 2009

Time: 2:17PM

Your Comments

got that sodding song stuck in my head all afternoon I suppose! Thanks Jon! LOL
The Fear
got that sodding song stuck in my head all afternoon I suppose! Thanks Jon! LOL
The Fear
Very good article made alot of sense.
astonsteve
Very good article made alot of sense.
astonsteve
Its not easy to manage Villa and we are not as big as some fans like to think we have been a pretty mediocre team since about 1900,I think people are expecting a bit too much.The booing after we murdered Wigan last season highlighted this.There are plenty of other supporters who would love to be in our position.
Pking
Its not easy to manage Villa and we are not as big as some fans like to think we have been a pretty mediocre team since about 1900,I think people are expecting a bit too much.The booing after we murdered Wigan last season highlighted this.There are plenty of other supporters who would love to be in our position.
Pking
Couldn't agree with you more Jon. I appreciate the expectations of all Villa fans are high, But the real reason our expectations are so high are due to what RL and MON have done with Villa thus far. The transfer window and MON has always been an issue with us and I don't think thats going to ever change. Well it hasn't changed in the last three years anyhow. Its just how MON works.I believe MON will sort out the defence situation and if Carew is up for it then bringing in the likes of Tuncay may just be the solution to our striker issues. Lets hope we do the business against Vienna and get the boys geared up for the Pool on Monday. UTV
geecee
Couldn't agree with you more Jon. I appreciate the expectations of all Villa fans are high, But the real reason our expectations are so high are due to what RL and MON have done with Villa thus far. The transfer window and MON has always been an issue with us and I don't think thats going to ever change. Well it hasn't changed in the last three years anyhow. Its just how MON works.I believe MON will sort out the defence situation and if Carew is up for it then bringing in the likes of Tuncay may just be the solution to our striker issues. Lets hope we do the business against Vienna and get the boys geared up for the Pool on Monday. UTV
geecee
Well Im a member of the Fairy Glen, but at times you have to wonder. Its getting to that time when clubs wont let the best players go as they cant be adequately replaced, so is it another season with last minute signings like Harewood, Reo-Coker, Knight etc? It sorta gives the Negs the pedastal to preach from! Chuck a 15m Sneijder bid in ( they can only say no ) or same thing with Hangeland, Upson, Van der Vaart, Benley, Jenas or whoever MON has in mind, and leave the doubters with a little less ammo and the squad with maybe extra artillery to reply with.
Stourbridge Villan
Well Im a member of the Fairy Glen, but at times you have to wonder. Its getting to that time when clubs wont let the best players go as they cant be adequately replaced, so is it another season with last minute signings like Harewood, Reo-Coker, Knight etc? It sorta gives the Negs the pedastal to preach from! Chuck a 15m Sneijder bid in ( they can only say no ) or same thing with Hangeland, Upson, Van der Vaart, Benley, Jenas or whoever MON has in mind, and leave the doubters with a little less ammo and the squad with maybe extra artillery to reply with.
Stourbridge Villan
There is nothing wrong with our football club,We need a few players in ,who doesn`t.
lerneravfc
There is nothing wrong with our football club,We need a few players in ,who doesn`t.
lerneravfc
40 mil on the right players should be everythin right. lol
astonsteve
40 mil on the right players should be everythin right. lol
astonsteve
Sky Sports are reporting that we have indeed made a bid for Upson. If true, I confidently predict this one thing: it will immediately polarise Villa fans between those who think we are building for the future and pulling our weight in the Prem, and those who will dislike whoever we sign, simply because it is MON who has signed them.
BobTheBuilder
Sky Sports are reporting that we have indeed made a bid for Upson. If true, I confidently predict this one thing: it will immediately polarise Villa fans between those who think we are building for the future and pulling our weight in the Prem, and those who will dislike whoever we sign, simply because it is MON who has signed them.
BobTheBuilder
We have the players except for a couple of centre halfs and a midfielder. We have two good keepers and an unknown back up for emergency. We have two right backs, two left backs (providing Bouma recovers). We need centre halfs. Providing we play a formation that works we have enough midfielders (Petrov, Sidwell, Okey Cokey, Delph, Gardner + A N Other) and several players who can rotate the front 3 positions (Downing, Young, Milner, The Fonz, Gabi Carew, Heskey). Not including Osbourne, Salifou, Albrighton, Clarke that is 21 players. Two more centre halfs and a midfielder would mean 24 players + the spares mentioned. In Spain you can only start the season with 24 (it might be 25 players). Providing we get the centre halfs and a midfielder, then the equivalent of two players for every position should be more than enough to see us through successfully. However it is all about the formation as mentioned in my earlier article. M'ON has actually assembled a decent squad, but wether he can make it work is a matter that we will see as the season unfolds. My advice would be to back the other team as soon as you see the team sheet, if it is the dreaded 442 that has so spectacularly failed over the last few months.
voiceoftheholte
We have the players except for a couple of centre halfs and a midfielder. We have two good keepers and an unknown back up for emergency. We have two right backs, two left backs (providing Bouma recovers). We need centre halfs. Providing we play a formation that works we have enough midfielders (Petrov, Sidwell, Okey Cokey, Delph, Gardner + A N Other) and several players who can rotate the front 3 positions (Downing, Young, Milner, The Fonz, Gabi Carew, Heskey). Not including Osbourne, Salifou, Albrighton, Clarke that is 21 players. Two more centre halfs and a midfielder would mean 24 players + the spares mentioned. In Spain you can only start the season with 24 (it might be 25 players). Providing we get the centre halfs and a midfielder, then the equivalent of two players for every position should be more than enough to see us through successfully. However it is all about the formation as mentioned in my earlier article. M'ON has actually assembled a decent squad, but wether he can make it work is a matter that we will see as the season unfolds. My advice would be to back the other team as soon as you see the team sheet, if it is the dreaded 442 that has so spectacularly failed over the last few months.
voiceoftheholte
well tbh id rather have mon then learey
tr1dent
well tbh id rather have mon then learey
tr1dent
nice read this, surprised those who have slated the negi 'beyond a joke' haven't come on here to congratulate the author and discuss this. Seems those with the moral indignation of other fans opinions also want to moan and not be happy! :o)
the fear
nice read this, surprised those who have slated the negi 'beyond a joke' haven't come on here to congratulate the author and discuss this. Seems those with the moral indignation of other fans opinions also want to moan and not be happy! :o)
the fear
not sure that is true BobTheBuilder? Or no more than any other manager/any other football club? Don't players always polarise opinion? Maybe some (very few???) totally dislike him and want him gone full stop, I'd say the majority with question marks though WANT him to be do well because that means Villa are doing well and surely that is all any of us are interested in? I could be wrong... hard to believe though that isn't it?! :o)
the fear
not sure that is true BobTheBuilder? Or no more than any other manager/any other football club? Don't players always polarise opinion? Maybe some (very few???) totally dislike him and want him gone full stop, I'd say the majority with question marks though WANT him to be do well because that means Villa are doing well and surely that is all any of us are interested in? I could be wrong... hard to believe though that isn't it?! :o)
the fear
Thanks Fear.
Jon.H
Thanks Fear.
Jon.H
more than a pleasure, just a relief to get an opti one on!!!!
The Fear
more than a pleasure, just a relief to get an opti one on!!!!
The Fear
Good read, I agree the club is being run well now, Investment in infrastructure and team is taking place, You make good points about other clubs seeing us as a threat, and I too would have taken this position 3 years ago, all my frustration is with the lack of transfer activity in the last month and also the whole 4-5-1 debacle, but these 2 points are very very frustating and are causing negativity even though a lot us are happy with the other points you have made so well
ant1ant1
Good read, I agree the club is being run well now, Investment in infrastructure and team is taking place, You make good points about other clubs seeing us as a threat, and I too would have taken this position 3 years ago, all my frustration is with the lack of transfer activity in the last month and also the whole 4-5-1 debacle, but these 2 points are very very frustating and are causing negativity even though a lot us are happy with the other points you have made so well
ant1ant1
agreed, i dont want to see him forced, or pushed out the door, but feck me he does my nut. I remember moyes (who as a manager I have the most respect for than anyone else in the prem), had to ride the storm in his 3rd or 4th season, and came out on top, and still going strong. I cant forgive oneill for moscow, and so far not replacing Bouma, Barry, Laursen, or even The Bearded one - King of the Holte; Mellberg. He has had enough time to identify and aquire who he wants, and with 10 days to go there are few whispers, and links. Upson today but time will tell. Did Distin play tonight????? - dont get me started on selling Knight. Oneill treating Coker and ginger like mugs is bang out of order aswell, they deserve the opportunity with Petrov in the middle. OK Coker is weak retaining the ball sometimes, and doesnt appear to be the greatest passer - but he gives you as much effort as Laursen did on his day. And having followed the Peace Cup in Spain he looked superb. There are rumbles coming out of the dressing room which worries me massively, I just hope he spunks 40m on Hangerface/Upson, Distin, Warnock, Tuncay, VDV - and maybe another suprise and proves me wrong. But It may be to late in the day now because selling clubs know we need to add and strenthen, and demand ultimately drives price. bla bla bla.
stig
agreed, i dont want to see him forced, or pushed out the door, but feck me he does my nut. I remember moyes (who as a manager I have the most respect for than anyone else in the prem), had to ride the storm in his 3rd or 4th season, and came out on top, and still going strong. I cant forgive oneill for moscow, and so far not replacing Bouma, Barry, Laursen, or even The Bearded one - King of the Holte; Mellberg. He has had enough time to identify and aquire who he wants, and with 10 days to go there are few whispers, and links. Upson today but time will tell. Did Distin play tonight????? - dont get me started on selling Knight. Oneill treating Coker and ginger like mugs is bang out of order aswell, they deserve the opportunity with Petrov in the middle. OK Coker is weak retaining the ball sometimes, and doesnt appear to be the greatest passer - but he gives you as much effort as Laursen did on his day. And having followed the Peace Cup in Spain he looked superb. There are rumbles coming out of the dressing room which worries me massively, I just hope he spunks 40m on Hangerface/Upson, Distin, Warnock, Tuncay, VDV - and maybe another suprise and proves me wrong. But It may be to late in the day now because selling clubs know we need to add and strenthen, and demand ultimately drives price. bla bla bla.
stig
Good article. I am a forever opti. The window isn't closed yet. Still time to bring in more players. 37 more league games to go. UTV
DoLpHiNaToR
Good article. I am a forever opti. The window isn't closed yet. Still time to bring in more players. 37 more league games to go. UTV
DoLpHiNaToR
To some extent, the jury has to be out on the present board. Welcome changes have been made, and decent money has certainly been invested, both on and off the pitch. We all know that Randy isn't an oligarch or a sheikh, and I think most accept this, and many are happy of it. Personally, my biggest question regarding Lerner is his faith in O'Neill. I don't believe O'Neill is in danger of the sack, despite the fact that he has been given more than enough backing to achieve more than he has. If things continue in their current vein (and given O'Neill's stubbornness, this seems a given), we will struggle (perhaps successfully) to finish in the top half this season, and this blow is unlikely to be softened by a trophy. This will inevitably need to more departures next summer, and the prospect of further rebuilding (a task I have very little faith in O'Neill eprforming successfully given his record in the transfer market). This is exactly what I envisaged when I began to entertain the notion that we wouldn't qualify for the Champions League last season. We peaked under O'Neill in February of this year. From then on it's been a quite alarming decline. I expect things to level out over the course of the season (though I'm not ruling out the possibility of a full-blown meltdown), but, under this manager I see nothing other than a steady decline into mid-table mediocrity.
Albarnista
To some extent, the jury has to be out on the present board. Welcome changes have been made, and decent money has certainly been invested, both on and off the pitch. We all know that Randy isn't an oligarch or a sheikh, and I think most accept this, and many are happy of it. Personally, my biggest question regarding Lerner is his faith in O'Neill. I don't believe O'Neill is in danger of the sack, despite the fact that he has been given more than enough backing to achieve more than he has. If things continue in their current vein (and given O'Neill's stubbornness, this seems a given), we will struggle (perhaps successfully) to finish in the top half this season, and this blow is unlikely to be softened by a trophy. This will inevitably need to more departures next summer, and the prospect of further rebuilding (a task I have very little faith in O'Neill eprforming successfully given his record in the transfer market). This is exactly what I envisaged when I began to entertain the notion that we wouldn't qualify for the Champions League last season. We peaked under O'Neill in February of this year. From then on it's been a quite alarming decline. I expect things to level out over the course of the season (though I'm not ruling out the possibility of a full-blown meltdown), but, under this manager I see nothing other than a steady decline into mid-table mediocrity.
Albarnista
I think you're right about the majority with question marks wanting MON to succeed, Fear, me amongst them. What I can't stand it those who have absolutely WANT him to fail, regardless of what happens to our team, because that would prove them right. After exactly this kind of comment in summer 2008, those voices fell silent for most of last season. I don't recall avfc, for instance, posting anything for months on end, but now he posts long articles telling us how right HE is. I don't care about differences of opinion. I don't even care if avfc/albarnista are proved right in the end. I do care about Aston Villa FC more than my own ego.
BobTheBuilder
I think you're right about the majority with question marks wanting MON to succeed, Fear, me amongst them. What I can't stand it those who have absolutely WANT him to fail, regardless of what happens to our team, because that would prove them right. After exactly this kind of comment in summer 2008, those voices fell silent for most of last season. I don't recall avfc, for instance, posting anything for months on end, but now he posts long articles telling us how right HE is. I don't care about differences of opinion. I don't even care if avfc/albarnista are proved right in the end. I do care about Aston Villa FC more than my own ego.
BobTheBuilder
 

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