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Where Will The 'New Top 5' Leave Villa?


Martin O'Neill says the face of football is changing and thinks there could now be a genuine top five with Manchester City pushing in.

To be fair, I still think the top four will be top four... ie apparently football is only interested in the Champions League and strangely judging by the title of the competition... ie CHAMPIONS (like we were in 82) ... the top four can be entered.

I'll digress for two seconds, wouldn't the Champions League be better titled the Champions And The Three Best Losers League OR why not a league just for champions including domestic Cup winners and UEFA Cup winners (or the Interflora or whatever they've re-branded it to this year)... now that would be a Champions League!

Anyway, MON says Man City have build a very strong team and he puts them as his favourites to win the league.

He added, 'This situation at City reminds me of Chelsea about five years ago - you can have great success if you can accumulate a group of top-quality players over a short period of time. There's part of me that's actually quite excited to see how they will do. It's as if the Premier League has been reinvented.'

However the other part of his is far from excited as he admits to feeling 'deflated' by what is going on.

'You think, 'Well, you got quite close last year and suddenly another club has just stepped over you'. It kind of punctures you. I'm sure if you asked David Moyes at Everton he would think the same. I would say the top four has become a genuine top five. They're even seemingly putting it beyond the sides who would be competing within the top four.'

Not sure what to make of the whole thing to be honest. We got a top manager and a brand spanking new owner with much excitement. We've managed the top six twice and that is some achievement I'm told by some and average I'm told by others!! Then you look at the way Chelsea had to do things and the way Man City are doing things now and have to wonder... just what is going on in football!?

Only way we can genuinely join them is to join in that sort of spending... same for other teams... all going to be madness isn't it? Not everyone can throw that much money at players wages without some clubs going bust surely?

So what is left? Personally, maybe a re-focus to cup competitions might be the answer, then again, only the usual suspects make that usually as well and that is because they are making so much money in the Champions League, League placement and tv money, that they have the squads which are just a country mile ahead of the rest of us.

I feel flat... MON feels deflated... how are you feeling!?!

(This isn't a dig at Villa, our owner or our manager...)




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Date:Wednesday July 29 2009

Time: 4:55PM

Your Comments

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RoyalVilla
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RoyalVilla
football is being ruined. its great for those whose clubs can spend like this but for the vast vast majority it seems ridiculous. i am losing interest in the game that has meant so much to me. we have a 'sport' where cheats win and having the most money brings success. and the people at the top are all to blame.
ric112
football is being ruined. its great for those whose clubs can spend like this but for the vast vast majority it seems ridiculous. i am losing interest in the game that has meant so much to me. we have a 'sport' where cheats win and having the most money brings success. and the people at the top are all to blame.
ric112
well if I'd know the answer was that simple RoyalVilla, I'd have made the question shorter! LOL

That is the danger ric112, losing interest totally... think the Italian league did this sort of thing and now look at it, half empty grounds and the 'stars' over in the PL and Spain.
The Fear
well if I'd know the answer was that simple RoyalVilla, I'd have made the question shorter! LOL

That is the danger ric112, losing interest totally... think the Italian league did this sort of thing and now look at it, half empty grounds and the 'stars' over in the PL and Spain.
The Fear
More likely to finish 16th than 6th, but probably somewhere inbetween. Yes lets get real - go for the cups. Some silverwhere please and blood the young'uns in the league.
stennyvilla
More likely to finish 16th than 6th, but probably somewhere inbetween. Yes lets get real - go for the cups. Some silverwhere please and blood the young'uns in the league.
stennyvilla
Money is the root of all that is evil! I do not want my beloved Villa chasing something that we will never catch. We have a good solid family run club who has a balanced board and a good manager. The team will win, lose and draw, this is a fact we all know, but we wont be buying a cup win or a league win like some clubs do. Our success will be measured and calculated and unfortunately not overnight! Its in our blood to follow your "team"thru thick and thin but history shows what can happen if you buy or try to buy everything in the shop window! Villa will survive and thrive however if a certain Roman or Citeh shake take to a different passion then how will these clubs ever survive. To the mega, mega rich the world is just one big playground. We are certainly not being bullied but we aren't picking any fights either cos we know our place and with that we have earnt respect. Flippin heck i'm not sure where all that come from but it beats talking about transfers!
holte ender 1969
Money is the root of all that is evil! I do not want my beloved Villa chasing something that we will never catch. We have a good solid family run club who has a balanced board and a good manager. The team will win, lose and draw, this is a fact we all know, but we wont be buying a cup win or a league win like some clubs do. Our success will be measured and calculated and unfortunately not overnight! Its in our blood to follow your "team"thru thick and thin but history shows what can happen if you buy or try to buy everything in the shop window! Villa will survive and thrive however if a certain Roman or Citeh shake take to a different passion then how will these clubs ever survive. To the mega, mega rich the world is just one big playground. We are certainly not being bullied but we aren't picking any fights either cos we know our place and with that we have earnt respect. Flippin heck i'm not sure where all that come from but it beats talking about transfers!
holte ender 1969
In some ways a salary cap won't be the answer (at least not in isolation), neither will restricting player spend to a percentage of turnover/profit - they may prevent a 'new' Man City or Chelsea from occurring, but all it would really do is keep the playing field uneven for the larger clubs vs the medium/smaller clubs. Unfortunately the whole Champions League cash bonanza, and the expansion of those clubs that have positioned themselves to take maximum advantage of that privileged position through the global growth of the premiership will continue to benefit. The rest will have to content themselves with feeding on the scraps. It would be interesting if UEFA ever carried out their threat to stop people with too much debt playing in European competition, as this might have an instant impact on teams like ManU and Liverpool (and ManCity) and some of the chasing pack (Villa, Everton, Fulham, West Ham, Spurs) might be able to capitalise and sneak in. Yuo can but hope. Unfortunately I can't see UEFA doing this, as it would invariably damage the 'gloss' of the competition for much of the worldwide audience if the likes of ManU and Liverpool were not playing...such is their global impact thesedays. Sigh...
YatesyVillain
In some ways a salary cap won't be the answer (at least not in isolation), neither will restricting player spend to a percentage of turnover/profit - they may prevent a 'new' Man City or Chelsea from occurring, but all it would really do is keep the playing field uneven for the larger clubs vs the medium/smaller clubs. Unfortunately the whole Champions League cash bonanza, and the expansion of those clubs that have positioned themselves to take maximum advantage of that privileged position through the global growth of the premiership will continue to benefit. The rest will have to content themselves with feeding on the scraps. It would be interesting if UEFA ever carried out their threat to stop people with too much debt playing in European competition, as this might have an instant impact on teams like ManU and Liverpool (and ManCity) and some of the chasing pack (Villa, Everton, Fulham, West Ham, Spurs) might be able to capitalise and sneak in. Yuo can but hope. Unfortunately I can't see UEFA doing this, as it would invariably damage the 'gloss' of the competition for much of the worldwide audience if the likes of ManU and Liverpool were not playing...such is their global impact thesedays. Sigh...
YatesyVillain
Do you think MON meant deflated rather than 'punctured'? LOL
YatesyVillain
Do you think MON meant deflated rather than 'punctured'? LOL
YatesyVillain
It will be interesting to see how Man City do. Whilst money can buy you top class players, they may not gel as a team and have that fighting spirit (is that wishful thinking!?). I do think it's detremental to the game as players will think along the lines of "well if John Terry is worth $250000 a week then surely I'm worth..." but I'm not sure if a wage cap is the answer. I live in Australia where there is a wage cap on topflight football. The result is that the top players don't play in Australia. Anyone with any skill can get paid more by moving abroad (even to lower league teams), and the quality of the footie is pretty poor here as a result.
AVFC4ME
It will be interesting to see how Man City do. Whilst money can buy you top class players, they may not gel as a team and have that fighting spirit (is that wishful thinking!?). I do think it's detremental to the game as players will think along the lines of "well if John Terry is worth $250000 a week then surely I'm worth..." but I'm not sure if a wage cap is the answer. I live in Australia where there is a wage cap on topflight football. The result is that the top players don't play in Australia. Anyone with any skill can get paid more by moving abroad (even to lower league teams), and the quality of the footie is pretty poor here as a result.
AVFC4ME
I should also note - Australian teams are allowed 1 key player who is not included in the salary cap (Queensland have Robbie Fowler, Sydney have Juninho). Maybe the prem could do something similar but have more players outside the cap (6 or 7 maybe??)
AVFC4ME
I should also note - Australian teams are allowed 1 key player who is not included in the salary cap (Queensland have Robbie Fowler, Sydney have Juninho). Maybe the prem could do something similar but have more players outside the cap (6 or 7 maybe??)
AVFC4ME
I think the idea of having salary caps in the Premiership is well out of the window these days. The over inflated salaries are ruining the premiership. Barry on 110,000 a week?? How do these players even get any passion for playing on stupid money like that. Citeh will ruin the game if they havent already done so. Chelski did this a few years ago when Roman arrived, but Citeh are totally ridiculous. I'm very pleased to see Moyes sticking to his guns in the lescott saga as O'neill did a year ago when liverpool media wise tried to tap up Barry to join them. MON and Moyes dont let the big wallets push them over. As long as there is entertaining football as Villa Park and we are still competing then i'm happy. Lets face it, do you really think Hughes has the ability to handle all those Arrogant faced big walleted footballers he's bringing in?? I cant wait to see him get the sack by Xmas :) Up the Villa
VillaSlice
I think the idea of having salary caps in the Premiership is well out of the window these days. The over inflated salaries are ruining the premiership. Barry on 110,000 a week?? How do these players even get any passion for playing on stupid money like that. Citeh will ruin the game if they havent already done so. Chelski did this a few years ago when Roman arrived, but Citeh are totally ridiculous. I'm very pleased to see Moyes sticking to his guns in the lescott saga as O'neill did a year ago when liverpool media wise tried to tap up Barry to join them. MON and Moyes dont let the big wallets push them over. As long as there is entertaining football as Villa Park and we are still competing then i'm happy. Lets face it, do you really think Hughes has the ability to handle all those Arrogant faced big walleted footballers he's bringing in?? I cant wait to see him get the sack by Xmas :) Up the Villa
VillaSlice
Its sad really, just what top flight football 2009-10 has come to, when the goal for most fancied teams is the possibility of finishing in sixth position come next May. With money talking in modern day football, surely the top five will consist of the so called 'Big Four', and the new kids on the block, Manchester City. Failure for one of those outfits will be finishing fifth, and the manager of the team that actually ends up in that position, will no doubt be out of a job come seasons end, if not before. Its a ridiculous situation, but a situation that isn't going to change anytime soon. It makes the domestic cup competitions both more attractive and important to all other premiership clubs, because in truth, the cups provide their only real opportunity of success, and even then, thats an extremely remote possibility. If we finish in sixth place this season, then that will be MON's biggest achievement since arriving at Birmingham B6. The easy part has been getting to where we are now, the hard part is going to be staying there, let alone pushing on.
glensider
Its sad really, just what top flight football 2009-10 has come to, when the goal for most fancied teams is the possibility of finishing in sixth position come next May. With money talking in modern day football, surely the top five will consist of the so called 'Big Four', and the new kids on the block, Manchester City. Failure for one of those outfits will be finishing fifth, and the manager of the team that actually ends up in that position, will no doubt be out of a job come seasons end, if not before. Its a ridiculous situation, but a situation that isn't going to change anytime soon. It makes the domestic cup competitions both more attractive and important to all other premiership clubs, because in truth, the cups provide their only real opportunity of success, and even then, thats an extremely remote possibility. If we finish in sixth place this season, then that will be MON's biggest achievement since arriving at Birmingham B6. The easy part has been getting to where we are now, the hard part is going to be staying there, let alone pushing on.
glensider
 

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