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Zat Knight Sold... What IS Going On?!??!

I've got to admit, I'm confused. I thought Villa were looking to build a squad?

Well, maybe we are, but in that building process they've sold Zat Knight - bought by Martin O'Neill from Fulham - to Bolton Wanderers.

The move has been confirmed on the Bolton site with Gary Megson saying 'Zat has plenty of Premier League experience and has played at the highest level with England.'

The Mirror this morning said that Zat flew out with the Villa squad to Spain, then had to fly home to seal the deal and then jetted off with Bolton to Holland last night on their pre-season tour.

So now we are 2 defenders down following the retirement of Martin Laursen.

Now, I never thought we should have bought Zat in the first place, he was average at Fulham and proved similar at Villa apart from a few decent games last season. However, especially after we sold Gary Cahill a fine defender and top prospect, surely at the very least Zat gave us squad presence whilst we are so low on numbers?

Increasingly confusing this football lark, maybe Villa have two defenders lined up and all will make sense. Don't think the purchase and sale within a season or two policy that MON seems to have will ever make sense mind you.

Our poll yesterday asked 'should Villa sell Zat Knight?'

56% said no, keep him as a squad member.

30% voted yes, if the reported 4.5m is correct. 9% followed through saying yes, at any price!

Only 4% considered him good enough to keep as a 1st team and 1% were unsure.

Baffling... or will the cunning plan all become clear in the days and weeks to come?!


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Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday July 25 2009

Time: 11:01AM

Your Comments

MON is clueless...simple.
laurie0123
MON is clueless...simple.
laurie0123
I THOUGHT MON said no one else will be leaving, until we have replacements anyway ???
Villa 4 Ever
I THOUGHT MON said no one else will be leaving, until we have replacements anyway ???
Villa 4 Ever
Please, can we have Cahill back?
Obediah
I'm shocked! I thought Zat was a great squad player. And how are we supposed to build a squad when we keep selling players n not buying any!!!
azton villain
Please, can we have Cahill back?
Obediah
I'm shocked! I thought Zat was a great squad player. And how are we supposed to build a squad when we keep selling players n not buying any!!!
azton villain
it's gonna be a long loooooooooooooong season unless martin pulls something out of the bag! can salifou play centre back??
Little John Carew
Dont want to get rid of MON but do we need a Director of football??
azton villain
it's gonna be a long loooooooooooooong season unless martin pulls something out of the bag! can salifou play centre back??
Little John Carew
Dont want to get rid of MON but do we need a Director of football??
azton villain
fear totally agree with the knight/cahill comments, and like you say it would be a very surprising sale considering we needed a cb before we sold knight, personally i believe that 2 cbs are allready lined up and will be signed when we get back, knight went for 4.5M the fee portsmouth want for distin, so id say were in for distin and campbell, would that suffice? i wouldnt be dissapointed, although it does not solve the problem longterm.
..doctorwho..
fear totally agree with the knight/cahill comments, and like you say it would be a very surprising sale considering we needed a cb before we sold knight, personally i believe that 2 cbs are allready lined up and will be signed when we get back, knight went for 4.5M the fee portsmouth want for distin, so id say were in for distin and campbell, would that suffice? i wouldnt be dissapointed, although it does not solve the problem longterm.
..doctorwho..
MON knows what he's doing that's why he's the manager and we're not! Chill...
Nigel-not-Reo
MON knows what he's doing that's why he's the manager and we're not! Chill...
Nigel-not-Reo
sack him, ffs, " we need to build for the europa leage " was he go do loose 4 players, brings a decent lad in whos injurd...
tr1dent
It's all part of the MON master plan...did you see what I did there? As if MON has a plan!!
jonah
well thats it then end, of debate nigel not reo.
..doctorwho..
sack him, ffs, " we need to build for the europa leage " was he go do loose 4 players, brings a decent lad in whos injurd...
tr1dent
It's all part of the MON master plan...did you see what I did there? As if MON has a plan!!
jonah
well thats it then end, of debate nigel not reo.
..doctorwho..
mon aint thick , so this discussion is more about who we have lined up than sacking mon, trident who would u bring in?
..doctorwho..
mon aint thick , so this discussion is more about who we have lined up than sacking mon, trident who would u bring in?
..doctorwho..
This is an outrage! Breaking his own rules. The only thing that makes sense is that he has replacements all signed and sealed, otherwise it's madness. Always sad to see a Villa fan/player leave. Good luck Zat.
olofthegreat
This is an outrage! Breaking his own rules. The only thing that makes sense is that he has replacements all signed and sealed, otherwise it's madness. Always sad to see a Villa fan/player leave. Good luck Zat.
olofthegreat
Do people really believe Mon hasn't got defenders lined up
The French Connectio
Do people really believe Mon hasn't got defenders lined up
The French Connectio
agree *****, we should be excited and talking about whos coming in,
..doctorwho..
agree *****, we should be excited and talking about whos coming in,
..doctorwho..
mellberg, distin, campbell, hangeland, foriegn import?.. titus bramble..joke;)
..doctorwho..
mellberg, distin, campbell, hangeland, foriegn import?.. titus bramble..joke;)
..doctorwho..
Just hoping there are a few lined up and hopefully not a 34-year-old right at the end of his career!?!?!? Nigel-not-reo you'll send me bust if no one can discuss these things! :o))) Oh and we all know the decisions are the managers and his job relies on making the right decisions, honest!
The Fear
Just hoping there are a few lined up and hopefully not a 34-year-old right at the end of his career!?!?!? Nigel-not-reo you'll send me bust if no one can discuss these things! :o))) Oh and we all know the decisions are the managers and his job relies on making the right decisions, honest!
The Fear
either that or the player pipes aint finished yet;)
..doctorwho..
either that or the player pipes aint finished yet;)
..doctorwho..
agree on the campbell age issue,
..doctorwho..
agree on the campbell age issue,
..doctorwho..
On the question why buy Zat Knight only to sell him a couple of years down the line - well, it came about at the back of a season where we ended 11th (and 16th the season before) and Aston Villa was probably not THE club top quality players wanted to be. IMO a perfectly understandable and reasonable purchase at the time. However we're a better team now and can attract better players so the standard on the squad will keep improving. The building of the squad is coming along nicely. Assuming we have two new CB's lined up of course :-)
NorwegianVillan
On the question why buy Zat Knight only to sell him a couple of years down the line - well, it came about at the back of a season where we ended 11th (and 16th the season before) and Aston Villa was probably not THE club top quality players wanted to be. IMO a perfectly understandable and reasonable purchase at the time. However we're a better team now and can attract better players so the standard on the squad will keep improving. The building of the squad is coming along nicely. Assuming we have two new CB's lined up of course :-)
NorwegianVillan
to late trident, seasons started and were managerless cuz you sacked him and couldnt think of an alternative,
..doctorwho..
to late trident, seasons started and were managerless cuz you sacked him and couldnt think of an alternative,
..doctorwho..
Why the fuss? half of the people on here did nothing but slag Knight off anyway. Surely you build a club by buying what you need then shedding the weakest and buying stronger to replace. If the window was shut I would share some of the views above. But it isn't and this must be the clearest sign yet that things are about to happen. Maybe Bolton said take it or leave it now so we took it in the knowledge of other happenings. Just watch this space is my thought.
Gordonsleftboot
Why the fuss? half of the people on here did nothing but slag Knight off anyway. Surely you build a club by buying what you need then shedding the weakest and buying stronger to replace. If the window was shut I would share some of the views above. But it isn't and this must be the clearest sign yet that things are about to happen. Maybe Bolton said take it or leave it now so we took it in the knowledge of other happenings. Just watch this space is my thought.
Gordonsleftboot
Turner from Hull I'm hoping......nobody for weeks I'm fearing
ant1ant1
Turner from Hull I'm hoping......nobody for weeks I'm fearing
ant1ant1
He owes an explanation thats for sure...
olofthegreat
He owes an explanation thats for sure...
olofthegreat
Lets see what happens.. don't be so foolish to call for MON's head!!! some perspective.. Zat knight is highly average. not a top 6 defender..(worlds best when he equalised against arsenal!!) so MON surely has someone in the pipeline. I'd suspect Distin is very close to signing. BUT PLEASE CALM DOWN... 3 weeks to go till the start of the season and 5 weeks till the transfer window closes.. relax and lets enjoy seeing our hot young prospects in the PEACE cup.
applesmoke
Lets see what happens.. don't be so foolish to call for MON's head!!! some perspective.. Zat knight is highly average. not a top 6 defender..(worlds best when he equalised against arsenal!!) so MON surely has someone in the pipeline. I'd suspect Distin is very close to signing. BUT PLEASE CALM DOWN... 3 weeks to go till the start of the season and 5 weeks till the transfer window closes.. relax and lets enjoy seeing our hot young prospects in the PEACE cup.
applesmoke
Am I reading correctly, didnt we just sell ZAT KNIGHT, the 2nd most cluseless CB in the prem after Bramble!!!!! MON will have something lined up and if we got 4.5 mil for Knight, then wow, Megson really is going to get sacked first!!!!!!!! I am glad he has gone, villa through and through but not good enough. Distan and Campbell is fine for me, Campbell and Davies will be awesome together!!!!! MON Is the Saviour!!!!!
erv2005
Am I reading correctly, didnt we just sell ZAT KNIGHT, the 2nd most cluseless CB in the prem after Bramble!!!!! MON will have something lined up and if we got 4.5 mil for Knight, then wow, Megson really is going to get sacked first!!!!!!!! I am glad he has gone, villa through and through but not good enough. Distan and Campbell is fine for me, Campbell and Davies will be awesome together!!!!! MON Is the Saviour!!!!!
erv2005
We need to be brining in top 6 class players, Our players already have aims of top 4 so we really do need to be bringing in the quality, Taylor, Hangeland, Upson these are the kind of players we should be replacing Knight and Laursen with.
Villa 4 Ever
We need to be brining in top 6 class players, Our players already have aims of top 4 so we really do need to be bringing in the quality, Taylor, Hangeland, Upson these are the kind of players we should be replacing Knight and Laursen with.
Villa 4 Ever
"2nd most clueless CB in the prem"..."MON is the saviour"... who signed this useless CB?? Oh yes the saviour who sells him! I think I know who's is clueless round here.
Hoss The Villain
"2nd most clueless CB in the prem"..."MON is the saviour"... who signed this useless CB?? Oh yes the saviour who sells him! I think I know who's is clueless round here.
Hoss The Villain
I know we need replacements but let's get some perspective here, it's Zat bloomin' Knight. Breathe people, breathe... It's not the ideal preparation but MON is what he is, and letting your blood pressures go through the roof isn't necessary. Lets get this straight - and I really mean this - the squad is NOT small. What it is, is lacking in quality competition. We need in more QUALITY. If MON doesn't do that, then fair enough, I'll join the list of people gunning for his head. But until then, I'll just be amazed that we (apparently) managed to make 1m profit on a defender who in his late 20's still makes mistakes like someone in his late teens.
Sheriff Kimbo
I know we need replacements but let's get some perspective here, it's Zat bloomin' Knight. Breathe people, breathe... It's not the ideal preparation but MON is what he is, and letting your blood pressures go through the roof isn't necessary. Lets get this straight - and I really mean this - the squad is NOT small. What it is, is lacking in quality competition. We need in more QUALITY. If MON doesn't do that, then fair enough, I'll join the list of people gunning for his head. But until then, I'll just be amazed that we (apparently) managed to make 1m profit on a defender who in his late 20's still makes mistakes like someone in his late teens.
Sheriff Kimbo
Personally I've completely given up attempting to comprehend Martin O'Neill and his transfer dealings. Let me say initially though that I'm against the sale as is, because its another squad member now gone, a squad member who needs replacing, and that before O'Neill even begins to set about strengthening the quality/numbers that we had last season. The much maligned Knight, often criticised unfairly in my opinion, was arguably our best central defender last season (Laursen apart) when given the opportunity. I'm sorry to see him go, I just hope that we bring in a better quality replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. As things stand right now, it looks very much to me as if its going to be another case of same old/same old next season, with O'Neill bemoaning the lack of numbers in the squad, long before the autumn is out. Its getting old Mart, its getting very old.
glensider
Personally I've completely given up attempting to comprehend Martin O'Neill and his transfer dealings. Let me say initially though that I'm against the sale as is, because its another squad member now gone, a squad member who needs replacing, and that before O'Neill even begins to set about strengthening the quality/numbers that we had last season. The much maligned Knight, often criticised unfairly in my opinion, was arguably our best central defender last season (Laursen apart) when given the opportunity. I'm sorry to see him go, I just hope that we bring in a better quality replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. As things stand right now, it looks very much to me as if its going to be another case of same old/same old next season, with O'Neill bemoaning the lack of numbers in the squad, long before the autumn is out. Its getting old Mart, its getting very old.
glensider
i can only think that MON knows what he is doing, (we can but hope). I am sorry to see Zat go, for 2 reasons, the first being (and I have said this many times on the forum) I do not think he let Aston Villa down at all, he performed the role he was bought in to do as a backup dependable Centre Half, he was arguably our most consistent in that role last year. secondly sorry to see him go as a fellow Villa Fan.... he has lived the dream and I guess it must be a wrench for him to leave, maybe he feels he has the chance of more first team appearances at bolton and just maybe the manager has told HIM what is going on and he can see his chances at Villa being limited. Anyhow I would like to thank him for all of his efforts and wish him every success in the future....not a player I think should be or will be booed on his return.....I do hope not anyway
fatloser
i can only think that MON knows what he is doing, (we can but hope). I am sorry to see Zat go, for 2 reasons, the first being (and I have said this many times on the forum) I do not think he let Aston Villa down at all, he performed the role he was bought in to do as a backup dependable Centre Half, he was arguably our most consistent in that role last year. secondly sorry to see him go as a fellow Villa Fan.... he has lived the dream and I guess it must be a wrench for him to leave, maybe he feels he has the chance of more first team appearances at bolton and just maybe the manager has told HIM what is going on and he can see his chances at Villa being limited. Anyhow I would like to thank him for all of his efforts and wish him every success in the future....not a player I think should be or will be booed on his return.....I do hope not anyway
fatloser
How much did we get for him?
jsmccue
Sol will be in now and hopefully Distin.
jsmccue
How much did we get for him?
jsmccue
Sol will be in now and hopefully Distin.
jsmccue
MON blamed him for our demise last third of the season and had a good offer for someone who he doesn't trust so sold him. I know we want a larger squad but there's no point having a weak link in that squad. If he's not good enough for the first team (which he clearly isn't ) then he's not reliable/good enough to sit on the bench incase he gets called into action and cocks up!! Lets be honest, he never would have been bought if he wasn't a Villa fan!!
Villan444
MON blamed him for our demise last third of the season and had a good offer for someone who he doesn't trust so sold him. I know we want a larger squad but there's no point having a weak link in that squad. If he's not good enough for the first team (which he clearly isn't ) then he's not reliable/good enough to sit on the bench incase he gets called into action and cocks up!! Lets be honest, he never would have been bought if he wasn't a Villa fan!!
Villan444
Cheers Zat - all the best !
faangler
Cheers Zat - all the best !
faangler
good point faangler, hope the guy gets on well, was never keen on his arrival (not that I think my opinion matters by the way) but do think he put in the effort, just wasn't quite the grade maybe!
The Fear
good point faangler, hope the guy gets on well, was never keen on his arrival (not that I think my opinion matters by the way) but do think he put in the effort, just wasn't quite the grade maybe!
The Fear
Yeah I'd go along with that, genuinely wish him all the best, although I hope he makes some silly mistakes against us!
Sheriff Kimbo
Yeah I'd go along with that, genuinely wish him all the best, although I hope he makes some silly mistakes against us!
Sheriff Kimbo
jsmccue - reports are suggesting around 4.5m, we wont now as the official party line is 'undisclosed'
Sheriff Kimbo
*know, not now. Stupid boy!
Sheriff Kimbo
jsmccue - reports are suggesting around 4.5m, we wont now as the official party line is 'undisclosed'
Sheriff Kimbo
*know, not now. Stupid boy!
Sheriff Kimbo
Knight out and a quality replacement in would be very good. I believe the fourth centre back in a squad should be a promising youngster, and do we not have a couple of candidates at the club for that role? BUT, if it's Knight out and either Campbell or Distin in, then it's a pointless exercise. Unfortunately, O'Neill seems to conduct pointless exercises on a regular basis - with Zat Knight himself being an example. Knight isn't a terrible player, but like so many others, he was never of the requisite quality to make a real difference to the quality of the team.
Albarnista
Knight out and a quality replacement in would be very good. I believe the fourth centre back in a squad should be a promising youngster, and do we not have a couple of candidates at the club for that role? BUT, if it's Knight out and either Campbell or Distin in, then it's a pointless exercise. Unfortunately, O'Neill seems to conduct pointless exercises on a regular basis - with Zat Knight himself being an example. Knight isn't a terrible player, but like so many others, he was never of the requisite quality to make a real difference to the quality of the team.
Albarnista
im not a fan of knight, but this does seem a strange at a time when you are so short of options.
oxfordspur
im not a fan of knight, but this does seem a strange at a time when you are so short of options.
oxfordspur
Hoss the Villan, stop your moaning, you wont ever be happy, ok, MON made a mistake in signing Knight first place, ok, sometime home town players sign for their clubs and it works!!! It didnt for Knight, as much as I like the Bloke he just isnt good enough for us. GL to him, but I dont feel we lost much there. MON is the Saviour, or are you already calling for HIS head now HOSS. [Edited by FearVilla]
erv2005
Hoss the Villan, stop your moaning, you wont ever be happy, ok, MON made a mistake in signing Knight first place, ok, sometime home town players sign for their clubs and it works!!! It didnt for Knight, as much as I like the Bloke he just isnt good enough for us. GL to him, but I dont feel we lost much there. MON is the Saviour, or are you already calling for HIS head now HOSS. [Edited by FearVilla]
erv2005
Barring Mon having two CB's already signed, this situation is laughable. Just imagine if curtis has an injury. We DON'T have another CB. Maybe Carew is being converted to be a CB? Seriously though, Zat is a squad player but I could definately see a role for him in the team even if we signed another 2 CB's. So what's the logic of selling him? Particularly since we are linked with two very old and now very average CBs (distin and sol).
Astriel
Barring Mon having two CB's already signed, this situation is laughable. Just imagine if curtis has an injury. We DON'T have another CB. Maybe Carew is being converted to be a CB? Seriously though, Zat is a squad player but I could definately see a role for him in the team even if we signed another 2 CB's. So what's the logic of selling him? Particularly since we are linked with two very old and now very average CBs (distin and sol).
Astriel
Stop my moaning erv?? The first time I've been in here for 3 months so you are a little misguided in your comments. I have no problem with MON but when you post ambiguous comments it's quite funny especially when you call someone you don't know a moron for something that you think they are thinking... very strange. Don't worry though I'm sure the Fear will remove my comment for suggesting that I may be a moron based on something you think about me!
Hoss The Villain
Stop my moaning erv?? The first time I've been in here for 3 months so you are a little misguided in your comments. I have no problem with MON but when you post ambiguous comments it's quite funny especially when you call someone you don't know a moron for something that you think they are thinking... very strange. Don't worry though I'm sure the Fear will remove my comment for suggesting that I may be a moron based on something you think about me!
Hoss The Villain
I've heard a rumour that 3 signings will be announced on Monday, 2 defenders, one of which is Distin, and an expensive midfielder.
paintnothing
I've heard a rumour that 3 signings will be announced on Monday, 2 defenders, one of which is Distin, and an expensive midfielder.
paintnothing
I really do not, for one minute think that O'Neil would have sold Knight off without a couple of CDs in the bag, just wait for the signings fellas. Whilst Knight meant well and tried hard, the Prem and a top 4 shooting team is not a place for meant well and tried hardest. Thanks for your industry Zat and gl (but not too much at Bolton)
Charizma
I really do not, for one minute think that O'Neil would have sold Knight off without a couple of CDs in the bag, just wait for the signings fellas. Whilst Knight meant well and tried hard, the Prem and a top 4 shooting team is not a place for meant well and tried hardest. Thanks for your industry Zat and gl (but not too much at Bolton)
Charizma
Well done Zat thanks for the great moment against gunners good luck for the future UTV
B6_COMPANY
Well done Zat thanks for the great moment against gunners good luck for the future UTV
B6_COMPANY
the more you think about it, the more it seems 'obvious' that there HAS to be a player or two incoming, he would never have sold a player unless he has another ... surely... no, no, he can't have. There will be arrivals next week... there!
The Fear
the more you think about it, the more it seems 'obvious' that there HAS to be a player or two incoming, he would never have sold a player unless he has another ... surely... no, no, he can't have. There will be arrivals next week... there!
The Fear
Regardless of whether a player is already lined up, Zat isn't, wasn't and won't be good enough so he had to go. A youngster, Bouma or even Carew ;-D would be better
Villan444
Regardless of whether a player is already lined up, Zat isn't, wasn't and won't be good enough so he had to go. A youngster, Bouma or even Carew ;-D would be better
Villan444
Zat Knight is not good enough for Villa, appreciate his efforts, but do not appreciate his mistakes.
holte_ender8
Zat Knight is not good enough for Villa, appreciate his efforts, but do not appreciate his mistakes.
holte_ender8
I just want to say, im gutted to see Zat go as i think last season was his best for us and he gave me the best moment of a home game when he scored against the gunners! I do agree with others tho about how its probably best for him to goas long as we replace with quality and not players like Campbell and Distin. I dont think it was his decision really. (about a week ago, he said on AVFC that he wanted the chance to prove himself at Villa next year). Best of luck to Zat, im sure he wont be booed when he comes back. I know who im saving it for :-p
arc1988
I just want to say, im gutted to see Zat go as i think last season was his best for us and he gave me the best moment of a home game when he scored against the gunners! I do agree with others tho about how its probably best for him to goas long as we replace with quality and not players like Campbell and Distin. I dont think it was his decision really. (about a week ago, he said on AVFC that he wanted the chance to prove himself at Villa next year). Best of luck to Zat, im sure he wont be booed when he comes back. I know who im saving it for :-p
arc1988
When remembering his moment against the gunners I gotta remember his game and goal against Chelsea (maybe his debut?) when we did 'em and doug shook romans hand. Great moment by a Villa fan for Villa fans (Zat not Doug)
supermansfoot
When remembering his moment against the gunners I gotta remember his game and goal against Chelsea (maybe his debut?) when we did 'em and doug shook romans hand. Great moment by a Villa fan for Villa fans (Zat not Doug)
supermansfoot
Always gotta love a Villa fan playing for Villa. Cheers Zat - you've served your purpose but the club are moving onto bigger and better things. I think Distin will be coming in early next week and MON will be negotiating to bring 2 or 3 more players in quickly after that. I am frequently puzzled by the goings on at the club and although confident in MON's ability to do his job - his excuses (small squad) are wearing a bit thin. He know's what he's doing but has a tendancy to resurrect careers or bring players through when all we want is a proven quality player.... Not too much to ask for?
melski
Always gotta love a Villa fan playing for Villa. Cheers Zat - you've served your purpose but the club are moving onto bigger and better things. I think Distin will be coming in early next week and MON will be negotiating to bring 2 or 3 more players in quickly after that. I am frequently puzzled by the goings on at the club and although confident in MON's ability to do his job - his excuses (small squad) are wearing a bit thin. He know's what he's doing but has a tendancy to resurrect careers or bring players through when all we want is a proven quality player.... Not too much to ask for?
melski
Distin, Hangeland, Senderos, Jenas and Tuncay. Don't panic, Bouma can play CB if needs be.
Madirish
Distin, Hangeland, Senderos, Jenas and Tuncay. Don't panic, Bouma can play CB if needs be.
Madirish
 

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