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Blame Goes To Barry, MON & Randy Lerner?

Vital member leebarnett2004 isn't happy and is blaming pretty much everyone for the conclusion of the Gareth Barry saga.

He's asked me to post it on the front page so here goes... fasten your seatbelts, Lee rarely holds back on his views!!!!!

Right this is how I see it.... without any swearing lol.

First of all I feel totally let down and lied to by Gareth Barry, Martin O'Neill and Randy Lerner.

Barry told us on countless occasions that he only leave for a club in the Champions league., Obviously if he went to any of these top 4 teams or even overseas fans would wish him well and understand and when he returned back to play against Aston Villa he would have a good reception. (not that I'm going to boo him).

Instead he chooses to join Manchester city who aren't offering Champions league football or even Europa next season, if he wanted money then he should have just came out and said that, instead of feeding us rubbish about wanting to play in the champions league.

Secondly, the manager, Martin O'Neill. - We always miss out on transfers to teams like Man City, Spurs and Everton. Not only that but our potential replacement for Barry plays for Spurs reserves, what message is that giving out?

I can see other teams looking at Aston Villa as a shop window now, and picking off at what little talent with have at our club.

And finally, our American Cowboy Randy Learner.

Is there really money at this club? Because from what picture I'm looking at i don't think there is..... maybe I'm wrong and I hope I'm proven to be wrong. But I don't think there is, or certainly not as much as he lead us to believe.

We lost Gareth Southgate and also Dwight Yorke in similar circumstances. Its beginning to feel like Ellis all over again, I hope its not and I hope its me who looks like a pratt for writing this by the time the season starts.....

Also I question the Barry transfer, did he leave because maybe he knows something we don't, does he know that we haven't got money in the pot that will bring this club forward?




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Date:Wednesday June 3 2009

Time: 4:12PM

Your Comments

Why so negative? He's one player who left us, not an entire team... I'm not sure Lerner has once come out and said he was willing to spend x amoung of $ on villa. I think some people need to take a serious step back and grow up a little. Our transfer windows always start this way, almost like if we fire our mouths of warning "if the manager doesn't do this this and this then we'll be in this this and this position." The manager and the chairman aren't part timers, they're fully aware of the situation we're in and am pretty sure they'll be working harder than you or I at rectifying it. Judge a manager's season at the end, judge his transfers at the end of the window. He's got a huge task on his hands, so let's see how he gets on.
johnnyuk
Why so negative? He's one player who left us, not an entire team... I'm not sure Lerner has once come out and said he was willing to spend x amoung of $ on villa. I think some people need to take a serious step back and grow up a little. Our transfer windows always start this way, almost like if we fire our mouths of warning "if the manager doesn't do this this and this then we'll be in this this and this position." The manager and the chairman aren't part timers, they're fully aware of the situation we're in and am pretty sure they'll be working harder than you or I at rectifying it. Judge a manager's season at the end, judge his transfers at the end of the window. He's got a huge task on his hands, so let's see how he gets on.
johnnyuk
bit harsh on calling randy a cowboy...... but our next signing MUST make a huge impact with their arrival
benham
bit harsh on calling randy a cowboy...... but our next signing MUST make a huge impact with their arrival
benham
Hang on here. Randy has done a great job as has MON. MON bent over backwords to keep Barry at VP and happy, at any other club he would have been sold a long time ago to a worse club as his past actions are not the most professional i.e complaning about MON working on BBC's football coverage. With MON and Randy I think we have the best chance we will ever have. Stay with the cause. Up The Villa!
Tallaght Villan
Hang on here. Randy has done a great job as has MON. MON bent over backwords to keep Barry at VP and happy, at any other club he would have been sold a long time ago to a worse club as his past actions are not the most professional i.e complaning about MON working on BBC's football coverage. With MON and Randy I think we have the best chance we will ever have. Stay with the cause. Up The Villa!
Tallaght Villan
tbh, I don't think I'd've liked it if he'd joined one of the top 4 any better. It is slightly more galling that he has gone to Citeh but not a fat lot. You're clearly a misery mate cos you can see very little other than doom. The doom and gloom is misplaced, remember how we took Yorke's leaving in our stride, well at least initially, I'm sure we can do the same again. As Johnny says lets wait and see. And the NEXT signing doesn't have to make a huge impact, rather the whole window needs to take us forward, quality and numbers.
Jongekki
tbh, I don't think I'd've liked it if he'd joined one of the top 4 any better. It is slightly more galling that he has gone to Citeh but not a fat lot. You're clearly a misery mate cos you can see very little other than doom. The doom and gloom is misplaced, remember how we took Yorke's leaving in our stride, well at least initially, I'm sure we can do the same again. As Johnny says lets wait and see. And the NEXT signing doesn't have to make a huge impact, rather the whole window needs to take us forward, quality and numbers.
Jongekki
Yawn. Move on!! There is no blame. we had his best years, got a great transfer fee and both Man Citeh and ourselves will move on. They are an exception to the whole of the football world and are playing an entirely different market to the rest of the football world. It is a compliment that they can choose almost any player in the world but actually chose one of ours. As for Bluescouse and Spuds beating us to better players. Who has chosen them in preference to the Villa? and as for having a pop at Randy?????? You don't need to wait until next season to get egg on your face . . . . . . you are already covered in it. What a disgraceful post. And before fear has a go at me for having an opinion. That is all this is. My opionion. Up the Villa.
voiceoftheholte
Yawn. Move on!! There is no blame. we had his best years, got a great transfer fee and both Man Citeh and ourselves will move on. They are an exception to the whole of the football world and are playing an entirely different market to the rest of the football world. It is a compliment that they can choose almost any player in the world but actually chose one of ours. As for Bluescouse and Spuds beating us to better players. Who has chosen them in preference to the Villa? and as for having a pop at Randy?????? You don't need to wait until next season to get egg on your face . . . . . . you are already covered in it. What a disgraceful post. And before fear has a go at me for having an opinion. That is all this is. My opionion. Up the Villa.
voiceoftheholte
Think it is certainly time to move on, this summer could be excitinig, lets hope so, and one player does not make a club. It is a big loss but he has gone now, so tough luck, lets see what the summer and new season brings.
The Fear
Have a go at you voice, never...! :o) I only moan (my opinion) when you constantly have a go at other fans who don't live up to your ideals!
The Fear
Think it is certainly time to move on, this summer could be excitinig, lets hope so, and one player does not make a club. It is a big loss but he has gone now, so tough luck, lets see what the summer and new season brings.
The Fear
Have a go at you voice, never...! :o) I only moan (my opinion) when you constantly have a go at other fans who don't live up to your ideals!
The Fear
Only TWO teams in EUROPE spent more than us last summer. Do not blame Randy for this!!! O'Neill has not had a great record at transfers - Carew/Baros swap was a masterstroke but initiated by Lyon, other than that A Young was a bargain. He overpaid for so many players - and let great ones go by - L. Young could have cost 2m one year earler, Hangeland etc. etc. Now Barry and Laursen are gone I wonder how much we will miss Aaron Hughes, Steve Davis and Gary Cahill. What did we raise from them?? It was certainly under 10m. Zat Knight and Nicky Shorey cost about the same. I certainly rate O'Neill and feel I am shifting blame on him to divert from Lerner who is NOT to blame. Probably no-one is to blame. But I really really wish we had a decent Director of Football to just help O'Neill in the transfer market, and maybe a more vocal scouting network to point out that there are very good players outside the UK as well!!!
deano.avfc
Only TWO teams in EUROPE spent more than us last summer. Do not blame Randy for this!!! O'Neill has not had a great record at transfers - Carew/Baros swap was a masterstroke but initiated by Lyon, other than that A Young was a bargain. He overpaid for so many players - and let great ones go by - L. Young could have cost 2m one year earler, Hangeland etc. etc. Now Barry and Laursen are gone I wonder how much we will miss Aaron Hughes, Steve Davis and Gary Cahill. What did we raise from them?? It was certainly under 10m. Zat Knight and Nicky Shorey cost about the same. I certainly rate O'Neill and feel I am shifting blame on him to divert from Lerner who is NOT to blame. Probably no-one is to blame. But I really really wish we had a decent Director of Football to just help O'Neill in the transfer market, and maybe a more vocal scouting network to point out that there are very good players outside the UK as well!!!
deano.avfc
Had 24 hours to think about this so... To be part of a team, Villa, Man city or Liverpool etc thats building to win something can be frustrating as it takes time, hes 28, Chelsea and Man Utd dont seem to be interested (The only clubs to win trophies this year) Question: Do you hang about hoping to be part of something, or do you sign a contract that earns you 28m over the next 5 years? 28m is nearly half of what Randy paid for Villa! Think about it, if any of us were playing for lets say Spurs for arguments sake and Man City offered you what hes been offered, what would you do? Its a no brainer really as much as it pains me to say....
Stourbridge Villan
Had 24 hours to think about this so... To be part of a team, Villa, Man city or Liverpool etc thats building to win something can be frustrating as it takes time, hes 28, Chelsea and Man Utd dont seem to be interested (The only clubs to win trophies this year) Question: Do you hang about hoping to be part of something, or do you sign a contract that earns you 28m over the next 5 years? 28m is nearly half of what Randy paid for Villa! Think about it, if any of us were playing for lets say Spurs for arguments sake and Man City offered you what hes been offered, what would you do? Its a no brainer really as much as it pains me to say....
Stourbridge Villan
as an outsider looking in, it does seem obvious he went for the money, what is Barry 29? will city be in the champ lge in 3 years?? probably not so he hasnt gone there for that and i agree with Stourbridge that most spurs players would probably do the same, it is a no brainer. But I understand why you feel like you do, we had it when sol campbell could have gone to man u or barca with our best wishes, instead he joined the hobo's from down the road and it still makes me sick after all these years but Villa will be fine. You've got a good bunch there and like us we both have to deal with City flashing huge wads of 50 notes at players, but we'll both finish higher than them next year, their bubble will burst because the top 4 will stay the same for many a year yet i fear.
jimmy-yid
Personally, I'd have let Barry go last summer when Liverpool came calling. That way a new-look midfield would have had a season to bed-in. Still, 12mill for a 28 year old is't bad and we all knew he was intent on leaving anyway. Citeh are out on their own at the moment...Liverpool's offer was a lot less than 12m/100K a week and no guarantee of first team footy in a world cup season. Good luck to the lad, I say. Now let's build for the coming season. 5 quality signings at least PLUS replace Barry and Laursen and anybody else who leaves. A tall order but in Mart and Randy we trust!
pongogidman
as an outsider looking in, it does seem obvious he went for the money, what is Barry 29? will city be in the champ lge in 3 years?? probably not so he hasnt gone there for that and i agree with Stourbridge that most spurs players would probably do the same, it is a no brainer. But I understand why you feel like you do, we had it when sol campbell could have gone to man u or barca with our best wishes, instead he joined the hobo's from down the road and it still makes me sick after all these years but Villa will be fine. You've got a good bunch there and like us we both have to deal with City flashing huge wads of 50 notes at players, but we'll both finish higher than them next year, their bubble will burst because the top 4 will stay the same for many a year yet i fear.
jimmy-yid
Personally, I'd have let Barry go last summer when Liverpool came calling. That way a new-look midfield would have had a season to bed-in. Still, 12mill for a 28 year old is't bad and we all knew he was intent on leaving anyway. Citeh are out on their own at the moment...Liverpool's offer was a lot less than 12m/100K a week and no guarantee of first team footy in a world cup season. Good luck to the lad, I say. Now let's build for the coming season. 5 quality signings at least PLUS replace Barry and Laursen and anybody else who leaves. A tall order but in Mart and Randy we trust!
pongogidman
Must admit I have faith in Randy and his guys. They accept none of us (including them) will know how succesful an era this is until we are deeper into it but I do have respect for them and think when they leave, they'll leave us in a better shape than they found us. MON, I want to believe, I hope next season I'll see more reason to believe. As for Barry, he's gone, we'll survive very well without him as we have other exits in the past, all eyes on the summer spending now. Fingers crossed?!
The Fear
Must admit I have faith in Randy and his guys. They accept none of us (including them) will know how succesful an era this is until we are deeper into it but I do have respect for them and think when they leave, they'll leave us in a better shape than they found us. MON, I want to believe, I hope next season I'll see more reason to believe. As for Barry, he's gone, we'll survive very well without him as we have other exits in the past, all eyes on the summer spending now. Fingers crossed?!
The Fear
lee - do you think we could offer Barry 100k a week over 5 years? Liverpool couldnt even match those wages. What was the offer we had put to Barry? We played hardball last summer with Liverpool and MON and Randy have stated their intent if the "bigger" boys come knocking for Ashley Young. If we lay down and surrender to this then fine, question the owner for not doing what he could to keep our best players at the club. But I'm convienced we did everything in our power financially to make it worthwhile to Barry. Ask yourself if you'd be happy (or the other players in the dressing room) if Barry was at Villa earning 100k a week - it's not worth it and neither is he - move on, unite and build again. We've done it before - we'll do it again!
bazzah
lee - do you think we could offer Barry 100k a week over 5 years? Liverpool couldnt even match those wages. What was the offer we had put to Barry? We played hardball last summer with Liverpool and MON and Randy have stated their intent if the "bigger" boys come knocking for Ashley Young. If we lay down and surrender to this then fine, question the owner for not doing what he could to keep our best players at the club. But I'm convienced we did everything in our power financially to make it worthwhile to Barry. Ask yourself if you'd be happy (or the other players in the dressing room) if Barry was at Villa earning 100k a week - it's not worth it and neither is he - move on, unite and build again. We've done it before - we'll do it again!
bazzah
this whole blame game is getting old. barry said he would keep his mouth shut and play last season see how we do and go from there. MON said he would be willing to sell barry after the season if we didnt match his expectations. to blame mr lerner is a joke surly. now these are the basic facts. yes barry said he wanted champions league football but as far as i know man city were the only team to come in for him so far. we accepted a bloody good offer IMO and gave him permission to talk to them. they offered him a boat load of cash and he left. he owes us nothing most profesionals would do the same. as fans we find it hard to understand because deep down we bleed claret and blue, its rare that a player shares the same passion for his team, for us it is a passion for the proffesional it is a job. i wish him well but its time to move on and focus on the positives that we have going for us. UTV
1982benny
this whole blame game is getting old. barry said he would keep his mouth shut and play last season see how we do and go from there. MON said he would be willing to sell barry after the season if we didnt match his expectations. to blame mr lerner is a joke surly. now these are the basic facts. yes barry said he wanted champions league football but as far as i know man city were the only team to come in for him so far. we accepted a bloody good offer IMO and gave him permission to talk to them. they offered him a boat load of cash and he left. he owes us nothing most profesionals would do the same. as fans we find it hard to understand because deep down we bleed claret and blue, its rare that a player shares the same passion for his team, for us it is a passion for the proffesional it is a job. i wish him well but its time to move on and focus on the positives that we have going for us. UTV
1982benny
Can't even be ar&ed to waste my finger energy on typing everything i want to write so i'll keep it short. Tool.
Longman
Can't even be ar&ed to waste my finger energy on typing everything i want to write so i'll keep it short. Tool.
Longman
Fear, you say we'll survive without him. Are you saying that we'll survive relegation? If so, I'm pretty confident we will too. But Barry leaving isn't just about losing our best player and our talisman. It's a very clear indication of where this club is going. With Gareth Barry at the club, Barry made the decision that Man City were much better placed to give him Champions League football. (And this IS what it's about. If it was purely about money, then we could have offered him enough to stay. I daresay we wouldn't have needed to offer quite as much as Man City either.) Without Gareth Barry, where does that leave us? I'm not the only one who believes that Barry's replacement is already at the club, in the form of Sidwell, and if indeed O'Neill does put his faith in Sidwell (and why wouldn't he, given he paid 5m for him last summer), we're in trouble. Maybe not relegation trouble, but the kind of trouble that leads to a prompt decline. What will Ashley Young be thinking about Villa's ambition now that Barry's made this statement? Perhaps O'Neill will sweet talk him into believing that everything is still very much on track. The fact of the matter seems to be that Villa's policy is to grow a sustainable business, and success on the pitch, though it would of course help this enterprise massively, is to follow rather than precede this. Some might admire this, and actually, I am one of them. However, I think O'Neill is not the man to bring progress on a budget. And I haven't even mentioned that O'Neill cocked up our one chance of making a quantum leap when it presented itself this season.
Albarnista
Fear, you say we'll survive without him. Are you saying that we'll survive relegation? If so, I'm pretty confident we will too. But Barry leaving isn't just about losing our best player and our talisman. It's a very clear indication of where this club is going. With Gareth Barry at the club, Barry made the decision that Man City were much better placed to give him Champions League football. (And this IS what it's about. If it was purely about money, then we could have offered him enough to stay. I daresay we wouldn't have needed to offer quite as much as Man City either.) Without Gareth Barry, where does that leave us? I'm not the only one who believes that Barry's replacement is already at the club, in the form of Sidwell, and if indeed O'Neill does put his faith in Sidwell (and why wouldn't he, given he paid 5m for him last summer), we're in trouble. Maybe not relegation trouble, but the kind of trouble that leads to a prompt decline. What will Ashley Young be thinking about Villa's ambition now that Barry's made this statement? Perhaps O'Neill will sweet talk him into believing that everything is still very much on track. The fact of the matter seems to be that Villa's policy is to grow a sustainable business, and success on the pitch, though it would of course help this enterprise massively, is to follow rather than precede this. Some might admire this, and actually, I am one of them. However, I think O'Neill is not the man to bring progress on a budget. And I haven't even mentioned that O'Neill cocked up our one chance of making a quantum leap when it presented itself this season.
Albarnista
I'm not quite sure how MON and Randy can get the blame for this. Barry was always leaving in his mind and again lied to the fans by stating earlier on in the season 'I see no need to leave Villa unless CL football is offered'. I think everyone is in agreement that if he signed for Le Arse or Liverpool that no one would have held it against him, but Man City, FFS! And he states in his letter that he is seeking a new challenge, FFS! It wouldn't have mattered what Villa offered him he was going. I just hope Man City make a last minute ditch to sign Kaka and we'll see how regular his 1st team opportunities are!
PaulG
I'm not quite sure how MON and Randy can get the blame for this. Barry was always leaving in his mind and again lied to the fans by stating earlier on in the season 'I see no need to leave Villa unless CL football is offered'. I think everyone is in agreement that if he signed for Le Arse or Liverpool that no one would have held it against him, but Man City, FFS! And he states in his letter that he is seeking a new challenge, FFS! It wouldn't have mattered what Villa offered him he was going. I just hope Man City make a last minute ditch to sign Kaka and we'll see how regular his 1st team opportunities are!
PaulG
Paul G, have you followed through the logic of what you're saying? If our best player would struggle to be first choice at a mid table team, who then make a few big name signings, what chance would we have even if he stayed? And if Gareth Barry did have to fight for his place at Man City, wouldn't that just prove that he has in fact moved to a club with realistic hopes of winning major honours? I can understand that people are deeply upset by Barry leaving. What I can't understand is the belittling of his ability, because all it does is make the rest of our team look rubbish.
Albarnista
Paul G, have you followed through the logic of what you're saying? If our best player would struggle to be first choice at a mid table team, who then make a few big name signings, what chance would we have even if he stayed? And if Gareth Barry did have to fight for his place at Man City, wouldn't that just prove that he has in fact moved to a club with realistic hopes of winning major honours? I can understand that people are deeply upset by Barry leaving. What I can't understand is the belittling of his ability, because all it does is make the rest of our team look rubbish.
Albarnista
Given what Petrov said about his own contract negotiations, I think the money is there. Why not concentrate on what has been said by him - and Randy Lerner himself - than try to look too deep into the Gareth Barry situation?
Sheriff Kimbo
Given what Petrov said about his own contract negotiations, I think the money is there. Why not concentrate on what has been said by him - and Randy Lerner himself - than try to look too deep into the Gareth Barry situation?
Sheriff Kimbo
Blame goes to nobody,he got offered a life changing pay rise and took it end of story,Good luck to him.
lerneravfc
Blame goes to nobody,he got offered a life changing pay rise and took it end of story,Good luck to him.
lerneravfc
Everyone is getting so frustrated at Barry leaving and i don't see why. I'm annoyed that he said he'd only leave for champions league football - then joins Man City - who are 2 seasons away from getting there due to the cash they have - and when they do he'll be 30 and replaced by a better player. We need to find another world class centre half to go next to Davies - Laursen is a massive loss to us - more so than Barry. Our slide from 4th and doing well in Europe (Ajax game for example) Laursen was our leader, and commanding presence on the field. After his injury - our starting 11 noticed the loss of a world class player. In midfield Young, Milner and especially Petrov this year were the players than turned games for us - take Barry's penalty's away, and what difference would there have been if sidwell / reo / gardner we're playing centre mid. I'll not knock Barry's ability to keep the ball moving, playing a nice simple game, with the odd hollywood pass. But against Liverpool, United, Arsenal he had no influence on the game. Players will come and go, but so far we have improved in the league and competitions every year with MON and Randy - why - becasuse we are building a team, the stadium, the infrastructure, youth and training set ups. There's no reason we can't improve next year - bigger squad, solid 5th in the league (fingers crossed better) and some cup runs without having to sacrifice them due to having 23 players
ctg
Everyone is getting so frustrated at Barry leaving and i don't see why. I'm annoyed that he said he'd only leave for champions league football - then joins Man City - who are 2 seasons away from getting there due to the cash they have - and when they do he'll be 30 and replaced by a better player. We need to find another world class centre half to go next to Davies - Laursen is a massive loss to us - more so than Barry. Our slide from 4th and doing well in Europe (Ajax game for example) Laursen was our leader, and commanding presence on the field. After his injury - our starting 11 noticed the loss of a world class player. In midfield Young, Milner and especially Petrov this year were the players than turned games for us - take Barry's penalty's away, and what difference would there have been if sidwell / reo / gardner we're playing centre mid. I'll not knock Barry's ability to keep the ball moving, playing a nice simple game, with the odd hollywood pass. But against Liverpool, United, Arsenal he had no influence on the game. Players will come and go, but so far we have improved in the league and competitions every year with MON and Randy - why - becasuse we are building a team, the stadium, the infrastructure, youth and training set ups. There's no reason we can't improve next year - bigger squad, solid 5th in the league (fingers crossed better) and some cup runs without having to sacrifice them due to having 23 players
ctg
You are MISSING the point !!! MON can`t replace these players !!! Look at his last 10 friggin signings - aaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhhh
ASPINALL
You are MISSING the point !!! MON can`t replace these players !!! Look at his last 10 friggin signings - aaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhhh
ASPINALL
Albarnista - I disagree with you on so many levels. For instance "If it was purely about money, then we could have offered him enough to stay". No. No. No. All you get by breaking the piggy bank for a prima donna is unrest in the dressing room and a place in the championship. What it really IS about is this: Barry has been at B6 for a long time; he can see the end of his career approaching; he has almost never been out of his comfort zone; he wants to see some of the world; he has been offered bucket-loads of cash to do just that. Are you really naive enough to think that going to Man City will guarantee him CL football? By the time they qualify he will be 29 or 30. He will be playing for a club who will constantly want better players. They can afford to buy them. The minute they qualify, there will be a world full of Kaka's lining up for a huge pay day with knobs on. I say this to you: Gareth Barry will almost certainly NOT play Champions League with Manchester City.
BobTheBuilder
Albarnista - I disagree with you on so many levels. For instance "If it was purely about money, then we could have offered him enough to stay". No. No. No. All you get by breaking the piggy bank for a prima donna is unrest in the dressing room and a place in the championship. What it really IS about is this: Barry has been at B6 for a long time; he can see the end of his career approaching; he has almost never been out of his comfort zone; he wants to see some of the world; he has been offered bucket-loads of cash to do just that. Are you really naive enough to think that going to Man City will guarantee him CL football? By the time they qualify he will be 29 or 30. He will be playing for a club who will constantly want better players. They can afford to buy them. The minute they qualify, there will be a world full of Kaka's lining up for a huge pay day with knobs on. I say this to you: Gareth Barry will almost certainly NOT play Champions League with Manchester City.
BobTheBuilder
How is it Lerners fault if he doesnt have enough money to fund massive spending sprees every window,what should he do rob a bank?Alot of money has been spent.We have the 9th highest income yet finished 6th in a season that has been regarded as a failure.
Pking
How is it Lerners fault if he doesnt have enough money to fund massive spending sprees every window,what should he do rob a bank?Alot of money has been spent.We have the 9th highest income yet finished 6th in a season that has been regarded as a failure.
Pking
Before you slate Lerner its worth remembering it cost him 7,000,000 to keep Barry at Villa for the 08/09 season. He could have sold him when Liverpool offered 19,000,000 so leting the player go for 12,000,000 was I am sure out of his hands. Lee I kow your****ed off but let it go and see what happens next season.
col8
Before you slate Lerner its worth remembering it cost him 7,000,000 to keep Barry at Villa for the 08/09 season. He could have sold him when Liverpool offered 19,000,000 so leting the player go for 12,000,000 was I am sure out of his hands. Lee I kow your****ed off but let it go and see what happens next season.
col8
ASPINALL - you are missing the point!! Last 10 signings - Frediel - been good signing - reliable, L.Young - solid RB, Crueller - wait a season, it takes time to adapt - look at Petrov, Shorey - not given fair chance i'll agree, but ok last 5 games, Sidwell - inured, but potenially as good as Barry. Heskey - does what it says on tin - hold up play so Ash,Gabby,Milner can play on the break, Milner - adds balance, work rate, goals, dead balls!!!!!! MON can't build a team, replace the deadwood he inheritied and sign 11 truely world class players without regular european football all in 3 years. If you want instant sucess - follow Barry to Man City, otherwise take a proper look at what we have done at Villa. A ground looking outdated, with cheap plastic signs, run down hotle pub and derrilict club shop underneath it, mediocre players, and under DOL nearly championship football. MON has started to build something here with the backing of Randy - and suddenly becasue Barry leaves we are cr** and have no ambition, will slide down the league, only sign rubbish players.
ctg
ASPINALL - you are missing the point!! Last 10 signings - Frediel - been good signing - reliable, L.Young - solid RB, Crueller - wait a season, it takes time to adapt - look at Petrov, Shorey - not given fair chance i'll agree, but ok last 5 games, Sidwell - inured, but potenially as good as Barry. Heskey - does what it says on tin - hold up play so Ash,Gabby,Milner can play on the break, Milner - adds balance, work rate, goals, dead balls!!!!!! MON can't build a team, replace the deadwood he inheritied and sign 11 truely world class players without regular european football all in 3 years. If you want instant sucess - follow Barry to Man City, otherwise take a proper look at what we have done at Villa. A ground looking outdated, with cheap plastic signs, run down hotle pub and derrilict club shop underneath it, mediocre players, and under DOL nearly championship football. MON has started to build something here with the backing of Randy - and suddenly becasue Barry leaves we are cr** and have no ambition, will slide down the league, only sign rubbish players.
ctg
Lee, it's a free country and everyone's entitled to their opinion. You're a Villa fan to boot which gives you a little more leeway, if you'll excuse the pun. But all in all, that article is complete pants. Just because something's disappointing doesn't mean that there has to be someone to blame. I know it seems to be a widespread British trait but I don't go for it. Ellis all over again? Always miss out on transfers? Dear oh dear. Get a grip mate. Enjoy our renaissance, look forward to the prospect of a new line-up, and get used to some more comings and goings. And as for the conspiracy theories, this is sport not the X-Files.
Freelancelot
No mate,he`s wasted a fortune on a load of rubbish. Sidwell,Shorey,Reo,Cuellar,Harewood,Knight,Heskey off the top of my head can`t get in the team full time and cost nearly 35m at the least. Luke Young was played in more positions bar the Karma Sutra so hasn`t had a chance to fulfill his role and was bought 3 times to much a year late and if you think Milner is worth 12m then we can`t discuss this further.
ASPINALL
Lee, it's a free country and everyone's entitled to their opinion. You're a Villa fan to boot which gives you a little more leeway, if you'll excuse the pun. But all in all, that article is complete pants. Just because something's disappointing doesn't mean that there has to be someone to blame. I know it seems to be a widespread British trait but I don't go for it. Ellis all over again? Always miss out on transfers? Dear oh dear. Get a grip mate. Enjoy our renaissance, look forward to the prospect of a new line-up, and get used to some more comings and goings. And as for the conspiracy theories, this is sport not the X-Files.
Freelancelot
No mate,he`s wasted a fortune on a load of rubbish. Sidwell,Shorey,Reo,Cuellar,Harewood,Knight,Heskey off the top of my head can`t get in the team full time and cost nearly 35m at the least. Luke Young was played in more positions bar the Karma Sutra so hasn`t had a chance to fulfill his role and was bought 3 times to much a year late and if you think Milner is worth 12m then we can`t discuss this further.
ASPINALL
And Friedel ?? Jesus do you watch the games. Sidwell as good as Barry ? OMG!
ASPINALL
And Friedel ?? Jesus do you watch the games. Sidwell as good as Barry ? OMG!
ASPINALL
ctg - well said that man. I suspect that all those preaching doom and gloom and stating how far above the rest of the team Barry supposedly was, have not visited Villa Park this season. Having seen almost every home and away game this year I would say Barry was one of our poorest midfield contributers. We now have an opportunity to improve. I share the concern regarding the liklihood of us signing the quality and quantity of players we need but only time will tell.
AVbornandbred
ctg - well said that man. I suspect that all those preaching doom and gloom and stating how far above the rest of the team Barry supposedly was, have not visited Villa Park this season. Having seen almost every home and away game this year I would say Barry was one of our poorest midfield contributers. We now have an opportunity to improve. I share the concern regarding the liklihood of us signing the quality and quantity of players we need but only time will tell.
AVbornandbred
was young worth 9million? milner is a good player, who fits our system, works hard, has ability, is young - we paid what we had too to get him in. did we get a player we needed to balance our midfield - then yes! I won't argue about values of players, my point was - is there life after Barry - of course, have we improved every year - yes, do we have a better team / squad than when MON took over - I think so. you can't sign great players from where we were 3 years ago. Milner and Ash we paid over for - becasue they are yound and English and will get better over the next 5 years. some of these players you say are rubbish- they aren't amazing - but they are what we needed at the time - when we got harewood and knight - who else would we have got - Terry and Torres??
ctg
was young worth 9million? milner is a good player, who fits our system, works hard, has ability, is young - we paid what we had too to get him in. did we get a player we needed to balance our midfield - then yes! I won't argue about values of players, my point was - is there life after Barry - of course, have we improved every year - yes, do we have a better team / squad than when MON took over - I think so. you can't sign great players from where we were 3 years ago. Milner and Ash we paid over for - becasue they are yound and English and will get better over the next 5 years. some of these players you say are rubbish- they aren't amazing - but they are what we needed at the time - when we got harewood and knight - who else would we have got - Terry and Torres??
ctg
not sure what I'm saying really Albarnista, just trying to be positive and move on I guess and hoping for the best. I do agree it isn't the best signal when our best player moves to another club saying they can match his ambition but what are we to do? Move on like he has and hope beyond hope this summer brings us a nice surprise to counter this nasty one!
The Fear
not sure what I'm saying really Albarnista, just trying to be positive and move on I guess and hoping for the best. I do agree it isn't the best signal when our best player moves to another club saying they can match his ambition but what are we to do? Move on like he has and hope beyond hope this summer brings us a nice surprise to counter this nasty one!
The Fear
I don't think it is fair to say that he just went to city for the money, although i'm sure it helped. If city are going to spend that much money on barry they are surely going to bring in a few decent names in the summer, and no doubt be well equipped to challange for the champions league either this year or next. I think we all like to ignore that they are going to become a huge club over the next few years for whatever reason, but there is no doubt that money breeds success in this game.
liamo1981
I don't think it is fair to say that he just went to city for the money, although i'm sure it helped. If city are going to spend that much money on barry they are surely going to bring in a few decent names in the summer, and no doubt be well equipped to challange for the champions league either this year or next. I think we all like to ignore that they are going to become a huge club over the next few years for whatever reason, but there is no doubt that money breeds success in this game.
liamo1981
Get a life man......name me a team around us (not top four) who has bought amazing players ? Barry wasn't that great either, good but not great. Life goes on, we are in better shape than any year since we won the league last, my advice.......support Villa, don't criticise every little detail, take a leaf out of David Moyes' book, be proud of what we have achieved so far, be proud of our club, Barry can be replaced easily, life without Barry will be good, Barry without Villa ?????............slowly but surely is the way. We don't want to be a Leeds, Newcastle , Blackburn or Man City in three years time etc. etc.....
astonmilan
Get a life man......name me a team around us (not top four) who has bought amazing players ? Barry wasn't that great either, good but not great. Life goes on, we are in better shape than any year since we won the league last, my advice.......support Villa, don't criticise every little detail, take a leaf out of David Moyes' book, be proud of what we have achieved so far, be proud of our club, Barry can be replaced easily, life without Barry will be good, Barry without Villa ?????............slowly but surely is the way. We don't want to be a Leeds, Newcastle , Blackburn or Man City in three years time etc. etc.....
astonmilan
I can feel a shift in football now,the top 4 have always objected to rule changes regarding wage caps and limits on foreigners etc.If City do blow apart the top 4 there might not be as much reistance to change as there has been before.Wage caps in US sports and now F1 will make it easier for Fifa to introduce these rules.There seems to be growing respect for teams like Everton who have to rely on homegrown players and great management.If wage caps and 6+5 are eventualy introduced it will be the clubs who concentrated on development of infaustructure and youth and not spending beyond their means that will be in a position of real strength.
Pking
I can feel a shift in football now,the top 4 have always objected to rule changes regarding wage caps and limits on foreigners etc.If City do blow apart the top 4 there might not be as much reistance to change as there has been before.Wage caps in US sports and now F1 will make it easier for Fifa to introduce these rules.There seems to be growing respect for teams like Everton who have to rely on homegrown players and great management.If wage caps and 6+5 are eventualy introduced it will be the clubs who concentrated on development of infaustructure and youth and not spending beyond their means that will be in a position of real strength.
Pking
If we are looking to blame somebody, and Laursen and Barry were so good, and we were swiftly moving up the league with them in the team, then I am left pondering on 1 question!! If we were so good, and it is so bad to lose those two players, then why were there 3000 empty seats for the first game of the season against Man Citeh, 1000 against Murderpool, 4000 for Sunderland, 5000 for Pompey, 7000 against Bolton and Blackburn and 6000 against Middsbro and Fulham, when both of those players were on the pitch??? Maybe if we filled our ground every week, created the sort of atmosphere that makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, didn't just hear moaning from the Trinity Road instead of vocal support, then maybe just maybe, better players would like to come to Villa Park and the good ones we have would be more prepared to stay. As supporters we have to make sure we are doing our bit before complaining that the players are not doing theirs. UTV
voiceoftheholte
If we are looking to blame somebody, and Laursen and Barry were so good, and we were swiftly moving up the league with them in the team, then I am left pondering on 1 question!! If we were so good, and it is so bad to lose those two players, then why were there 3000 empty seats for the first game of the season against Man Citeh, 1000 against Murderpool, 4000 for Sunderland, 5000 for Pompey, 7000 against Bolton and Blackburn and 6000 against Middsbro and Fulham, when both of those players were on the pitch??? Maybe if we filled our ground every week, created the sort of atmosphere that makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, didn't just hear moaning from the Trinity Road instead of vocal support, then maybe just maybe, better players would like to come to Villa Park and the good ones we have would be more prepared to stay. As supporters we have to make sure we are doing our bit before complaining that the players are not doing theirs. UTV
voiceoftheholte
dumb article but produced responses!! let the Barry thing go. i am tired of people thinking he is 'the heart and soul of the club' and who have taken great offence at his leaving. he was always going to!! i'm almost glad he's gone, we have got some clear air now. Go Villa!
leftfoot
dumb article but produced responses!! let the Barry thing go. i am tired of people thinking he is 'the heart and soul of the club' and who have taken great offence at his leaving. he was always going to!! i'm almost glad he's gone, we have got some clear air now. Go Villa!
leftfoot
No money? As I remember until the last day of last summers TW, when Citeh got bought out AVFC had spent more money than any other club. Bye Barry. All the best. Now let's use his departure as motivation to the rest of the team. Let's show GB that we are better than Man City and that he made a mistake. UTV.
Adam Deuce
No money? As I remember until the last day of last summers TW, when Citeh got bought out AVFC had spent more money than any other club. Bye Barry. All the best. Now let's use his departure as motivation to the rest of the team. Let's show GB that we are better than Man City and that he made a mistake. UTV.
Adam Deuce
I agree voiceoftheholte.
astonsteve
I agree voiceoftheholte.
astonsteve
Totally understand Lee's view, it has been a strange old week, first of all Lerner says he will let his contract run down, then barry leaves for the first club to make a bid, no comment from O'Neill as yet and very little on the Official Site. I had thought they website would have a little article about Barry's 12 years at the club with pictures etc. There is alot more to this than meets the eye.
young_jonah
Totally understand Lee's view, it has been a strange old week, first of all Lerner says he will let his contract run down, then barry leaves for the first club to make a bid, no comment from O'Neill as yet and very little on the Official Site. I had thought they website would have a little article about Barry's 12 years at the club with pictures etc. There is alot more to this than meets the eye.
young_jonah
Albarnista - I have just read what I have put and I state 'that I hope that Man City make a last minute ditch to sign Kaka and we'll see how regular his 1st team opportunities are'. Man City will need to buy big if they are going to challenge for honours and if they do Barry's 1st team opportunities will be limited! Also if you read Barry's letter he states 'Also the World Cup has always been a major part of my thinking and I feel at Man City I will get the chance to play regularly in my best position and play a big part in a successful side. Time will tell if I am right or not, but those are my reasons'. So in that case he has left a club where he plays regular football in a position that suits him??? and its World Cup year?? Make up your own mind on that one. Also I have never belittled Barry's ability, he is a great player, but when you compare him players like Kaka, who would you have in your team?
PaulG
Albarnista - I have just read what I have put and I state 'that I hope that Man City make a last minute ditch to sign Kaka and we'll see how regular his 1st team opportunities are'. Man City will need to buy big if they are going to challenge for honours and if they do Barry's 1st team opportunities will be limited! Also if you read Barry's letter he states 'Also the World Cup has always been a major part of my thinking and I feel at Man City I will get the chance to play regularly in my best position and play a big part in a successful side. Time will tell if I am right or not, but those are my reasons'. So in that case he has left a club where he plays regular football in a position that suits him??? and its World Cup year?? Make up your own mind on that one. Also I have never belittled Barry's ability, he is a great player, but when you compare him players like Kaka, who would you have in your team?
PaulG
We need to put this whole barry thing behind us and move on. He is not bigger than the club.He was a great servent and the most consistent player ive seen at villa over ten years.Yes im dissapointed hes gone to Man City and not a champions league club, but lets face it, city have the backing to be a top 4 club in the coming years with barry potentially being a part of it(although i hope they dont). We need to get behind the manager and hopefully he will bring in quality additions. And leebarnet2004, as for your complaints on Lerner, i think youll find last summer we spent one of thje biggest budgets in european football last summer transfer window!
pauled177
We need to put this whole barry thing behind us and move on. He is not bigger than the club.He was a great servent and the most consistent player ive seen at villa over ten years.Yes im dissapointed hes gone to Man City and not a champions league club, but lets face it, city have the backing to be a top 4 club in the coming years with barry potentially being a part of it(although i hope they dont). We need to get behind the manager and hopefully he will bring in quality additions. And leebarnet2004, as for your complaints on Lerner, i think youll find last summer we spent one of thje biggest budgets in european football last summer transfer window!
pauled177
pauled177, we spent lots last summer, and we finished with 2 points more than the previous season. I can understand people's frustrations.
young_jonah
pauled177, we spent lots last summer, and we finished with 2 points more than the previous season. I can understand people's frustrations.
young_jonah
Can't blame Lerner for anything. He lets MON do all the work, training, negotiations etc which is what he wanted. Oh and Sidwell being half as good as GB???? Come on gentlemen, lets have it right Barry was top quality and will be for Citeh.
Villan444
Can't blame Lerner for anything. He lets MON do all the work, training, negotiations etc which is what he wanted. Oh and Sidwell being half as good as GB???? Come on gentlemen, lets have it right Barry was top quality and will be for Citeh.
Villan444
PaulG, either you have a fantasy football mindset, or you believe Man City do - and given the signings Man City have actually delivered, Man City certainly don't. Kaka is a terriffic player, and perhaps the best in the world, but I can guarantee you that eleven Kaka's would win absolutely nothing. Gareth Barry is a different kind of player to Kaka, and plays in a different position. I'm quite sure that were Man City to buy Kaka, Gareth Barry would be delighted - and a darn sight happier than when O'Neill signed Sidwell for example. I would be flabbergastered if Barry wasn't central to Man City's plans, given the wages they're paying him, and, more importantly, his quality. And it might even be worth putting some money on him being given the captaincy. Mark Hughes described him as a leader of men, and should Richard Dunne cease to be a first team regular - which by all accounts is perfectly possible - then the smart money would be on Barry being made captain. Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't see anything other than Barry being a huge success at Man City. Don't get me wrong, I'm apopleptic at this turn of events, but my fury has been somewhat mitigated by a relatively longstanding realisation that something like this was going to happen. However, Gareth Barry isn't on my list of people I'm angry with.
Albarnista
PaulG, either you have a fantasy football mindset, or you believe Man City do - and given the signings Man City have actually delivered, Man City certainly don't. Kaka is a terriffic player, and perhaps the best in the world, but I can guarantee you that eleven Kaka's would win absolutely nothing. Gareth Barry is a different kind of player to Kaka, and plays in a different position. I'm quite sure that were Man City to buy Kaka, Gareth Barry would be delighted - and a darn sight happier than when O'Neill signed Sidwell for example. I would be flabbergastered if Barry wasn't central to Man City's plans, given the wages they're paying him, and, more importantly, his quality. And it might even be worth putting some money on him being given the captaincy. Mark Hughes described him as a leader of men, and should Richard Dunne cease to be a first team regular - which by all accounts is perfectly possible - then the smart money would be on Barry being made captain. Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't see anything other than Barry being a huge success at Man City. Don't get me wrong, I'm apopleptic at this turn of events, but my fury has been somewhat mitigated by a relatively longstanding realisation that something like this was going to happen. However, Gareth Barry isn't on my list of people I'm angry with.
Albarnista
This is about as blinkered a view as its possible to have... I don't doubt that Barry was influenced by the money...but realistically over the next few years Man City will spend money on a scale that only Chelsea have in the past...giving them a great chance of winning things... O'Neill has a plan for the type of players he wants and a history of getting players to perform above themselves...I for one am happy to trust his vision of our future.... And as for Randy...he has invested unprecedented amounts of money in our club...he wants us to grow and evolve into a self sufficient leading European side...meaning that when the inevitable thing of UEFA/FIFA bringing in rules to restrict the advantage of money we will be well placed to do well. UTV
keithlees1978
This is about as blinkered a view as its possible to have... I don't doubt that Barry was influenced by the money...but realistically over the next few years Man City will spend money on a scale that only Chelsea have in the past...giving them a great chance of winning things... O'Neill has a plan for the type of players he wants and a history of getting players to perform above themselves...I for one am happy to trust his vision of our future.... And as for Randy...he has invested unprecedented amounts of money in our club...he wants us to grow and evolve into a self sufficient leading European side...meaning that when the inevitable thing of UEFA/FIFA bringing in rules to restrict the advantage of money we will be well placed to do well. UTV
keithlees1978
Albarnista - When Man City was bidding for Kaka and all the big stars they did have a fantasy football mindset, not me, them. It was proved when they offered 110 mill for Kaka. So in answer to that question my mindset is based on fact! I am fully aware that 11 Kaka's would not guaruntee success and I am fully aware of how good a player GB is on his day. However the overall point I am making is Barry was always going to leave Villa and I cannot see any blame being pointed at MON or Randy as it was stated they did what they could. Barry has even said this himself! I blame Barry for lieing to the fans, stating the CL football was his priority for leaving! Then signing for Man City! They are an ambitious club and it has been proved with the top money they have / are spending. However just because they are paying GB 100k per week doesn't guaruntee him a place on the field or with the mindset of making him captain. This was proved with Robinho who didn't start all of Citys games! If GB thinks that he can win trophys with Man City on their current squad then he is living in a fantasy world. For Man City to win major honours before his 5 year contract ends, they will need to spend big money on big players! and for me there are much better players out there that I am sure Man City will target in the next few years who play in Barry's position.
PaulG
Albarnista - When Man City was bidding for Kaka and all the big stars they did have a fantasy football mindset, not me, them. It was proved when they offered 110 mill for Kaka. So in answer to that question my mindset is based on fact! I am fully aware that 11 Kaka's would not guaruntee success and I am fully aware of how good a player GB is on his day. However the overall point I am making is Barry was always going to leave Villa and I cannot see any blame being pointed at MON or Randy as it was stated they did what they could. Barry has even said this himself! I blame Barry for lieing to the fans, stating the CL football was his priority for leaving! Then signing for Man City! They are an ambitious club and it has been proved with the top money they have / are spending. However just because they are paying GB 100k per week doesn't guaruntee him a place on the field or with the mindset of making him captain. This was proved with Robinho who didn't start all of Citys games! If GB thinks that he can win trophys with Man City on their current squad then he is living in a fantasy world. For Man City to win major honours before his 5 year contract ends, they will need to spend big money on big players! and for me there are much better players out there that I am sure Man City will target in the next few years who play in Barry's position.
PaulG
 

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