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A Response To O'Neill LOVES It At Villa

A Response to Martin O'Neill LOVES It at Villa post by deano.avfc

I read the recent comments from MON on how he loves it at Villa (Martin O'Neill LOVES IT At Villa) and it go me thinking of something that I have worried about for some time. Firstly, a bit of background of my understanding of the man - as a
fellow Ulsterman I have followed O'Neill's progress through management for a number of years now - I am too young to remember his playing days but I have watched videos of him play, particularly for Northern Ireland, and I am convinced he would be much more of a Northern Ireland legend if he did not have the links with Celtic....but that is a discussion for another day.

Basically the thing that has always worried me is his '5 year' period he has spent at Wycombe, Leicester and Celtic - he has often used this to show his loyalty to the clubs he has managed (except Norwich which did not work out from the point of view of both sides) and use it as proof he is not looking to 'jump ship' for another management post - the thing is - I want O'Neill at Villa longer than 5 years....much longer!!

I watched O'Neill's press conference when he was appointed as Celtic manager and I have searched the internet for the transcript to get the exact quote but I honestly cant find it - but if I remember correctly he mentioned advice his father had given him - that if he was ever offered the Celtic or Man Utd managers job he should walk to Celtic Park or Old Trafford to accept it. Therefore making the point that the job was very easy to accept.

Now...where does that leave us. I am certain that whenever Sir Alex Ferguson and Man Utd do part ways O'Neill will be favourite for the job - no question about it!! He will almost certainly be recommended by Sir Alex to the Man Utd board and he will almost definitely be offered the job. He will then be allowed to speak to Man Utd as Randy will not stand in his way - as was proven when Randy said he would allow him to speak to the English FA for the England job.

What will his response be...well that is about timing!!!

I think that if O'Neill takes us to the Champions League regularly in the next few years he may feel that he has done a tremendous job and can take the Man Utd job with our blessing in a season or two's time.....but I am going to be selfish for the moment and look at things from Sir Alex's point of view.

If Man Utd win another treble (or quadruple) this year - which is quite likely - surely he would say - that's me - I've done it all - time to move on leaving very large shoes to fill!!

If Villa succeed this year and finish in the top 4 I think Martin would stay for another season - he would love to take us to the Champions League and give it a real go!!

Man Utd go and appoint someone else and there you have it!!!

Even then I wont be happy - the new Man Utd manager (Bruce, Mourinho, Capello, whoever - I don't care) has big shoes to fill and will have allot of pressure - if they don't do well in the first season they may be out!! Cue O'Neill again linked...he has had his stab at the Champions League with us- he has done 4 years - time to move on!!

In other words I cant see him jumping ship if Sir Alex resigns this year - but if Man Utd need a new manager the following summer - or the summer after that I worry Martin may fancy a crack at it!!

So, in conclusion - lets hope Man Utd win EVERYTHING this year(unless we are neck and neck for the title or meet in the FA Cup), Sir Alex resigns, we finish Top 4 and the new Man Utd manager is a success!!! Then we can have O'Neill for ourselves for a very, very long time!!!

Up The Villa




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Date:Wednesday February 4 2009

Time: 11:18AM

Your Comments

We will get the special one in if o`neill leaves for utd.
lerneravfc
Erm... Now you put it like that. I think anyone who takes the Man Utd job first would be a fool. Let someone else fail and then take it after that. I can see MON doing that although I hope he doesn't.
Adam Deuce
I just can't see him leaving Villa until he retires. He has almost total control at Villa and I think he will value that extremely highly. Plus, although he is making great progress, the job is far from complete.
Nimmo
He would have total control at utd,He will go there if they want him.There are plenty of good managers around who would come to us thanks to o`neills good work in raising our status,As long as the money doesn`t dry up that is.
lerneravfc
Lerneravfc, we already have the Special One.
notthedougellisstand
hahaha love the article. Come on Man United!
evoflash
Can't see O'neill being daft enough to take the poison chalice that is the United job. Anyone following in Fergie's shoes is a dead man walking, and will not be given any time at all. Unless he wants to undo his impeccable reputation by jumping ship, can't see any reason why he'd want to leave a club on the up like Villa. If you begin to go backwards that might change his mind, but until then...
fifthcolumnblue
Several Celtic fans i know through business all commented that they and many Celtic fans felt let down when he quit and although they appreciated he did it for personal reasons, they too felt they had been led to believe that nothing would drag him away from Celtic and also that whilst they appreciated he needed to look after his wife, it came at a very convenient time and that he could, somehow, have managed the two. Of course when he quit Strachan spent 2-3 years sorting out the highly paid old players who were past it and had to rebuild the side, something they thought O'Neill should have done. I can't see him leaving Villa for another club like Utd, and certainly not one in Europe, the Villa job was manna from Heaven for him and he's nearly got it sorted. its just too good a job to leave, unless it starts to fall apart.
avfc48
Im not sure Utd is the same club it was in O'Neills dad's time. It's full of International stars who are already 'Utd'. MON has sculpted Aston Villa on his own (with Lerners backing). The team is full of characters of MON's choice and liking. I think MON would find it extremely tough going, going into Utd's set up, as would anyone. Sir Alex is a very special breed of human. He is the special one in my opinion. He built man utd full of English talent and as the club progressed to the next level, and the English talent got older, a fresher approach and a different tactical mind set was sort after. Stars such as Ronaldo, Vidic, Tevez, Anderson, Nanni etc... These are in the catagory of best players in the world in their positions. I have a feeling MON will stick around. MON has built the foundations as Fergie did at Utd. He has the chance to leave his legacy behind and be remembered all over the world as the man that took AVFC To European dominance!
Hitman
pessimistic. MON is a smart man. he will see it through at villa no doubt. there is a lot more to gain at villa, whilst man utd can only go down from where they are.
ric112
Since writing the article I thought about something else - O'Neill has a team behind him who would go anywhere with him - Robertson, Walford etc. so when the time goes for him to leave and hang up his....erm.....tracksuit bottoms emblazoned with number 31.......they will surely go with him. I am just wondering if we would benefit from O'Neill 'tutoring' someone to take over from him when the time comes to minimise the disruption. Would we be better just taking a successful manager from someone else? Or would we be better with an internal promotion? My thoughts.....when Mellberg retires he joins as defensive coach for three or four years learning from MON then steps into O'Neills shoes when he wants to retire!! Haha!! Would be great!!
deano.avfc
Do you know what? I think the nature of life in general, and Prem football in particular, is such that there is no point in worrying about stuff like this. If circumstances are right of course MON will leave, and he should leave with our blessing. Those who build their whole existence around one man (or woman) are riding for a fall. Aston Villa as an entity has to be stronger than that. I think we are.
BobTheBuilder
He has never managed superstars except Henrik. People like Heskey surely wouldn't have signed if he was soon to be off. The team is young and full of English players ( much like Manures early successful years.) Infact we finished second when Manure won their first title for 26 years and it is highly doubtful that Fergie would still be there if we hadn't of blown it. MON lives in Beaconsfield which is just over an hour up the M40 to Villa not 3 hours like Manchester. Back in the day well before Manure's fatefull plane crash there were only 2 teams around that most (especially Irish)supported, Villa and Sunderland. What I am trying to say is that we are one of the BIG boys of football and although we have won bugger all for a while we could get back up there and I am convinced MON and Randy are the guys to do it.
Villan444
I said at the end of MON's first season that I could see echo's of Man Utd at Villa and I still can. The Academy are churning out players and MON is taking a much greater interest in them than previous incumbents, giving them hope that they can make the first team if good enough. Next season or maybe the one after Clark, Albrighton, Bannan, Forrester, Steiber etc will become first team squad regulars if not in the team itself. Allied to the squad he is already building MON can create a dynasty from top to bottom much the same as Sir Alex has at Utd. It's also worth remembering that it took Utd three seasons before they won anything under Ferguson, indeed at one point he was allegedly 3 games away from the sack. In my opinion it is rare in football that a manager can build something properly like Sir Alex did and MON is now doing. I believe that next season onwards is when he will really atart to bear the fruit of his labour and for that reason I don't believe he will leave for a while yet. I certainly hope not anyway.
Jon.H
Dear Villans, MON is a real great manager , no doubt.really knows how to take the battle into the opposition camp,leading from the front. But one thing I'm not 100% about his ability to attract star-performers and renowned superstars....maybe there's still some work to be done on that front
Tambling
What a load of rubbish!! What are you a fortune teller? Get a grip
Steve64k
Steve64k - the point I was trying to make is that Martin has said in the past he would like the Man United job but he will not take it while he has a job to do with us. If he has a Champions League campaign to look forward to with us surely he would not be interested in anything else. For that reason I would hope the Man Utd job offer comes sooner rather than later as he is more likely to turn it down. I see no other job in the world he would leave us for. I really dont. Maybe I did go over the top talking about Sir Alex leaving based on their success this year but I believe I still have a valid point. O'Neill would be interested in the job and WOULD be willing to take it if he has won a trophy with us and established us in the top 4. That is all really. I certainly think it is a valid point.
deano.avfc
Interesting artcile!
Matt_Us
It's still a load of old tosh.. Who knows what MON would do or not do. Of course the Man UTD job would be attractive, but it doesn't mean he would take it. There are many other managers who would say the same thing. Why talk about something that may never happen. Why not concentrate on the here and now?
Steve64k
 

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