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Best Time For Villa To Buy?

I've seen several small articles in various Villa related sites, putting forward suggestions for why its better we sign players later rather than earlier, wonder why, does it have anything to do with O'Neill's reputation for leaving matters until the last minute ?

In fairness some contributors go as far as to suggest its better O'Neill adapts this ploy, it ensures they say we don't get panic buys like DJ x 2, which may be true.

Hence I've pondered the question 'when is the best time'

Logically between season end and window closing is the answer, some 10 weeks is it? Bearing in mind O'Neill only had 2 weeks from when he joined last season, and we may surmise, maybe he had some major financial restrictions too. Obviously managers have different styles, seems O'Neill's is for leaving things until late and buying in older experienced players usually on a downslope who return some great performances before being moved on after having earned more money than they dreamed of for two maybe three seasons.

I remember when Thompson left us for Celtic, I didn't shed many tears, he'd done a decent job, but lacked that something, the fee paid was amazing for us we do tend to give players away. He did well enough though which again makes me wonder about the level of football in Scotland, 6 hard games a season ok for me.

The Premiership is a completely different kettle of fish of course, harder than ever now more teams have better financial backing, certainly harder than when O'Neill last managed there.

Leaving things until the last minute would I reckon, mean you have to pay more than normal, simply because as the season approaches selling clubs have less time to find replacements and are less keen to sell. Player also have made their mind to stay at a club and unless they are a player who knows he isn't wanted will not be too keen to consider upping and moving, especially if its across borders, even continents.

Plus in this day and age of media friendly agents its bloody hard to find a player who isn't available. From what I know, we all know, agents make it very obvious which players are or aren't available, even, I'd suggest players who are available, even if their club doesn't know it.

There will always be the surprise transfer or three, but usually they cost a fortune, and with all respect Villa fans, I can't see an Essien or a Kaka being persuaded to join Villa no matter what fee or wage we
pay.Which in itself brings an added problem for O'Neill, he'll be choosing from a limited pack, one which is diminishing as each week passes.I'll explain further, hopefully.

First he needs quality, not the sort of quality he's bought pre Villa mind, he doesn't need Lennon's, Thompson's, Heskey's although all might do a job as Sutton nearly has. If as it is rumoured he's allowing Moore, Ridgewell, and Davis to leave if they want, I can't see the point of replacing them with near past it, older players. He's seemingly giving Mellberg, McCann new contracts, Berger has one already, are they better long term, even short term assets to the club than the above 3? No.

Back to transfer timings, European leagues are still in action and usually when they close the real transfer merry go around starts in earnest, two problems here, O'Neill has said he prefers UK based players
and many of those top players aren't coming to Villa this season, we can't offer enough. But when it starts the snowball effect comes into operation and more players are available who maybe weren't before.

So although I'd have preferred to see a few positive moves, Parker is a huge miss as is Distin, I'm not too concerned yet, especially when I concede Young, Carew and Maloney were huge if mainly ineffectual buys in January, in comparison to other clubs.

Where I am very concerned is the number of players we require. We needed plenty before we lost Samuel, Hendrie, DJx2, and now Moore, Davis and Ridgewell maybe, but then that has nothing to do with timing ;)

Leaving transfers to last minute brinkmanship is no longer a viable Premiership tactic in my view, if O'Neill hasn't decided who he wants by now, he's plainly not been doing his job, this suggestion he's waiting to make sure is just plain and simple daft excuse making. My thoughts are he needs others to start things off, Liverpool to buy before they sell, Man Utd to get their striker from Spain, and so on. Then we will see action.


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Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday June 4 2007

Time: 2:45PM

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moore and davis will be staying.
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04/06/2007 14:55:00

I totally agree Ric, we won't sell them )or Ridgewell for that matter), unless we have better replacements lined up. They are under contract and unlike previous years we are not worried if they stay in the reserves for a while. The top 4 teams will touting thier cast offs, a market we should steer clear of.
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04/06/2007 15:08:00

I'd ask a Newcastle Fan's view on Parker. These "huge misses" seem to include the only two players we'd have been interested in so far . There's a limit to what a player's worth anyway. What frustartes me, is that they have such high opinions of themselves, part of the business they are in I suppose.
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04/06/2007 15:18:00

I think we need quality as we have enough average players, three players that generally improve the squad and two reinforcers would be ideal for me and if they take time to get then i'm prepared to wait
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04/06/2007 15:19:00

agreed, but quality is not easily bought with no CL footie on offer, where as potential can be.
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04/06/2007 15:25:00

Luke Young, Darren Bent, Defoe, Curtis Davis all names that were banded around. Nothing has happened there either.
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04/06/2007 15:28:00

I don't believe for one second that the story about Luke Moore has originated inside VP - just some agent thinking he can earn a few quid by creating media speculation in the vain hope that it will unsettle the player into a rash move. UTV
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04/06/2007 15:30:00

Bent, Defoe and Davies are going to cost waaaay to much money and unless their price tags come down, they will be priced out of a move. Only a desperate club would pay that price and I dont think Villa are quite at that point lads!
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04/06/2007 15:31:00

MON definately knows who he wants....wouldnt you as manager? He had been out the game for a while and itching to get back. Now he's got some money for the first time in his management career.....his list will be a long as Dion Dublins Schlong, hey that even rhymes
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04/06/2007 15:31:00

I think it would be wise to wait a little longer, say perhaps until at least the transfer window has officially opened before we start to worry.. even then when the 1st of september comes and we find ourselves disappointed with who has been bought, then and only then really can we point the finger at MON. We're eagerly anticipating the moves, but these things take time clearly.
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04/06/2007 15:55:00

Luke Moore must NOT go. Neither should Ridgewell nor Davis unless better young replacements are brought in. If we kept the current squad and added Luke Young, Matthew Taylor, Nigel Reo-Coker (although I would have prefered Scott Parker) and a striker, say, Darren Bent (or Craig Bellamy) we would have a serious chance of European football and trophies coming back to VP. The icing on the cake would be if we could get Wesley Scneider in which case I would then be in agreement with Davis going. I suppose if we got Curtis Davies as well, then Liam could go! Kuomas is a good player, but we already have Shaun Maloney who I believe is very similar and is a great prospect. In fact if MON got a top quality keeper in as well we would be in Champions League! There I go, dreaming again. Back to work and reallity.
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04/06/2007 16:03:00

son_of_cher you get the award for the best (and funniest) post of the day!
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04/06/2007 16:08:00

The Koumas link is total tripe
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04/06/2007 16:10:00

good article, we need to show we mean business! My only worry is attracting big names to Villa Park with out the promise of Europe. But then Everton and Spurs are no bigger than the villa.
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04/06/2007 16:12:00

leelindsay - you've got me worried now - therefore Everton and Spurs are bigger attractions! I believe the UEFA cup isn't a big incentive for the modern day football player. It's all about the CL
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04/06/2007 16:15:00

Tarzan its a bigger incentive than a club without any European qualification surely ? Apart from players still playing through their season, most of the 'available' buys have moved, without the transfer window opening many of the uk's top buys are gone. Have we sniffed Koumas says so but has then decided the offer is so exciting he's gone on holiday for three weeks to see if better ones come in, Celtic maybe. Is that the response we expect from new Villa. No.
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04/06/2007 16:56:00

AVFC48, you seem obsessed with youth? MON may have bought older players in up in Smelly Sock Land but of his buys at Villa, Young and Maloney are early twenties and Petrov and Carew 27ish. A mix of youth and experience it appears? And unless I was dreaming, didn't Manure win the Premiership with the likes of Neville, Scholes, Larrson and Ole whatisname making contributions? Further "many of the UK's top buys are gone". Who exactly are we talking about? We all want action but let's keep calm. The window has only just opened, players are on holiday and there's plenty of time. Keep the faith and trust in MON to do what he does best, manage football clubs.
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04/06/2007 17:43:00

Who is panicking not me. Managers have differing styles, so far I've been most impressed by the old fellah who spent nigh on 50 million on the 3 best young and younger midfield players in Europe. Mind you he can :)
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04/06/2007 17:53:00

Villa and Everton have been linked to the same 50 players over the last month. Lets have some signings ASAP MON so you can plan demolishing Inter and we can have something concrete to talk about.
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04/06/2007 18:14:00

Best time to buy? - From a business point of view buying a player now would mean they're on the wage bill. However, another point would be that in buying a top player it would encourage season ticket sales and perhaps encourage other players into thinking we mean business. Remember when the Milner deal fell through, it was because Castle never got a replacement. Apart from Hendrie and the Twins, no one should leave before there are adequate replacements. As for the links, I'd love to know what MON has in mind just so I could laugh at the speculation and links that are away in fairyland.
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04/06/2007 18:52:00

Get players in ASAP think how long it took to get going after januarys signings. I don't know who we need i don't think any of the players we have been linked with are better than what we have.
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04/06/2007 19:12:00

Parker excepted iomvilla I'd agree and that alone is a worrying thought. Would Bellamy, would Koumas, would they No not for me either
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04/06/2007 20:34:00

I wouldn't say Hargreaves is one of the top midfielders in Europe, based on what? Kaka, Ronaldhino, Fabregas, Gerrard, Vierra, Ronaldo maybe. The Koumas link is tripe in my opinion. We need to get our top targets and take whatever time it takes to do that.
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04/06/2007 20:47:00

Before we all get more excited than a 6year old on Christmas eve , eagerly anticipating what Santa is going to bring, we should look at all the variables.For a start some of these "Star" players we are aiming to sign would be internationals(I bloody hope),and therefore played at the worldcup last year, our maybe still playing with their international clubs now and will want a holiday!Preseason starts in 6 weeks so they will be off for a couple of weeks with the missus & kids!..fair enough I say.Even then two clubs must agree a fee, agents start to talk figures and of course try to get as many people onto their gravy train ( at 10-20% etc..) to up the 0dds.That is of course if you can find the right agent( as pointed out by Ian Storey-Moore).Then MON needs to speak to the lad and finally HE HAS TO ATTEND A MEDICAL.Not so easy when you are on holiday with the missus!...So we should all calm down a little.Yes we all want signings but it's not like nipping into the shop for a loaf of bread.MON wants quality, he has said he is going to buy quality, Richard Fitzgerald has stated the club is after quality and so has the General!.They know how much it costs and if these deals are ploughing ahead and the press have not got a whiff, we are shrewd operators.Lets just enjoy the nice weather have a beer and look forward to the first home game of the new season.The we get to spank the blues...TWICE!!..lovely jubbly..
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04/06/2007 22:05:00

MON said he wanted contracts with Mellberg/McCann sorted and then he would look to bring in a few signings BEFORE he went on holiday so things look to have stagnated somewhere ?
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04/06/2007 22:13:00

Sorry, but I don't get the point of this article. It's all speculation. MON has been on holiday and a lot of players are now/will soon be on holiday due to european qualifiers/international friendlies etc. Up to now Randy et al have made a few statements of intention e.g. Bodymoor Heath, Holte Hotel, team strengthening in January, and as far as I'm concerned have delivered on all of them. I am certain that we are targeting signings and we shall hear of them when they are imminent. It is interesting that up to now we have not been publicly linked with anybody from within the club. Have a bit of faith.
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04/06/2007 22:21:00

By the way how can you consider Carew and Young to be ineffectual?
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04/06/2007 22:24:00

OneLoveVilla speaks sense.
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04/06/2007 23:26:00

But i want us to buy a top player,stick his name on the back of me shirt and pretend i`m him down the park ??? And i`m 34 !! Reo-Coker,Koumas and a RB will do me just fine by start of season.
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05/06/2007 10:31:00

It's obviously better to have all of our transfer business done and dusted prior to day one of pre-season training, but obviously in the real world that isn't going to happen. Lets just bide our time, there's no cause for panic or concern. The club knows where its going nowadays, we're no longer a rudderless ship being tossed about from storm to storm.
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19/06/2007 15:27:00

As long as we have our new arrivals in and settled by big kick off day, that should suffice. Better that, than still be rushing round attempting to tie up deals as the window is about to slam firmly shut.
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05/08/2007 21:57:00


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