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Voiceoftheholte Clears Up Ref Rules!

Voiceoftheholte Clears Up Ref Rules!

Voiceoftheholte, voice of reason!

On last nights game he said in response to my match report and comments by a few other fans:

Arsenal are a great footballing team. This isn't down to having the best players it is down to the training regime installed by Wenger. Having said that Wenger is a genius at spotting and acquiring new talent.

My only gripe about Wenger is that 95% of the players are foreign. There is nothing more exciting than cheering on one of 'your own' and this is never likely to happen under Wenger.

So although Villa are comparable to many clubs with our foreign contingent I get more satisfaction from seeing Cahill, Moore, Davis, Barry, Agbonlahor etc. I also except that there comes a time when M'ON must decide if these players have the ability to take us to the next level.

As for time wasting, the injuries were just the tip of the iceberg. The worst situations were players apparently about to go and take a free kick, throw in etc, only to get by the ball and then walk away. We then had to wait and see who was taking it, as Arsenal apparently argued amongst themselves over responsibility. Invariably a player 50 yards away would then slowly jog over. Wenger and Henry made a great story about this when Wigan did it, but thought it OK to do it themselves. The time wasting is bad, but the hypocrisy is worse.

And as a qualified and still serving referee I feel I can give an honest, impartial assessment of the refs performance last night. It was poor. He lacked control and his positioning was shocking. I know fans were frustrated by several offside decisions but without the benefit of replays I can not comment on the assistant refs performance.

The Arsenal goal though was onside and the foul on Carew was outside the box. It would have been wrong to send off the defender though. I only found that out this morning when checking in the official rule book. It states 'if the last man prevents a clear scoring opportunity, he must be dismissed from the field of play ......... unless you are an Arsenal player playing at Villa Park'.

So there you have it.


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Writer:J P Fear
Date:Thursday March 15 2007
Time: 3:18PM


Thanks for clearing that up VOTH :-) Absolutely right about the ref, he was poor. Although it is getting increasingly difficult these ays to find one that isn't.
15/03/2007 16:08:00
Glad to be of service Jonah. Although I actually believe refs get a raw deal. A premier League ref gets less than a £1000 per game but is expected to make less mistakes than players who are often on 10, 20 or a hundred times the money they are on. Last night excepted, most refs make less mistakes per game than every single player. They are often 30 year old + blokes trying to keep up with players, who in this day and age are fantastic athletes and several years younger. Given that this is the norm, mistakes will continue to be part of the game. Last night it went against us.
15/03/2007 16:33:00
the linesman had a spasm in his right arm he kept liftin it up!
15/03/2007 16:47:00
Refs don't do too badly, £30k a year retainer and £500 a match. I do think they should be treated like Rugby refs, backed up with tv replays for crucial decisions and have no arguing from players.
The Fear
15/03/2007 19:23:00
I know I will not be popular saying this but..... IMHO its always the fashionable clubs who get the rub of the green Arsenal - Villa the 50-50 decisions will always go with the glamourous club. Part of this is the high profile moaning from the manager, when Fergie, Mormoanio and Wenger stand in front of the cameras moaning and belittiling the ref it creates a situation where they wont want to pi5ss5 them off. Birmingham city last season had a couple of players sent off and two penalties awardes against them at Highbury, the ref was a disgrace, because it was blues it did not matter, had that happened to Arsenal they would still be crowing about it. Lesser teams (Villa at the moment) do unfortunatly start the games aagainst bigger clubs at a disadvantage.
15/03/2007 21:27:00
He was a poor ref last night, and I think that even the most impartial of spectators in attendance would agree on that point. He didn't cost us the game though, we lost that through our own inadequacies. Overall I dont think that the standard of refereeing this season has been too bad, certainly I seem to recall having less cause for complaint so far this season than I have in more recent campaigns.
15/03/2007 22:41:00
I think the refs cost us three points. Denied three clear chances, not given red, denied two penalties of hand plays, time wasting etc.
16/03/2007 07:46:00
Majkee. Hand plays????? I presume you mean hand ball?? Calling a hand ball a hand play, is similar to calling a field goal (American football)a conversion (rugby). Before long you will be saying that Carew is part of our offensive line up!! :o)
16/03/2007 09:12:00
You lost because you couldn't score, end of!! The ref got the big decisions right whether you like it or not (& you lot would never have stopped crying if the ref had awarded a penalty against you after having the ball smacked against one of your players hands from less than a yard away). I could go on about endless decisions that have gone against arsenal this season whilst playing the small clubs, but it wont change the result now. Arsenal themselves have had a lot of trouble scoring goals which is why we lost to chelski in the league cup final, lost to psv & went out to blackburn in the fa cup. It's also why we didn't score 8 or 9 against your lot at the emirates, but thats life. If you play the same way against Liverpool on sunday you will lose again because you cannot rely on refs to do you favours which is exactly what your manager wanted!!
Ashburton Gooner
16/03/2007 11:03:00
Whether some of us like it or not, Ashburton Gooner is right. We can't score goals, its as simple as that and all the whinging about referees and decisions that 'went against us' can't hid that one basic truth. I also agree with him about the 'handball' decision, I would have been gutted if we had a penalty given against us for that. We need to face the reality that we just aint good enough at the moment and stop trying to make excuses when we lose. I thought the ref was awful the other night but no way did he cost us the game. They scored a lucky goal, it happens, but we made enough chances to have pulled it around, we didn't take them and that's why we lost.
16/03/2007 12:02:00
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