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Five Year Plan My Arse!

Five Year Plan My Arse!

Martin O'Neill has hit out at the talk of a five year plan to get to the Champions League.

The press and fans have picked up on this five year plan thing, I can't remember if it was former CEO Richard FitzGerald or our very own non exec director General Krulak who first mentioned it, but it wasn't in relation to the playing side, it was just about the business plan and the resurrection of Aston Villa as a whole. Then poeple latched onto it as some sort of time scale to win the Premier League or qualify for the Champions League.

The Villa boss told the Express and Star:

'I think that’s very loose, I don’t go along with it and there’s no such thing. It’s a nonsense for a manager. If you go back to Bill Shankly, it might have crossed his mind but he wouldn’t have believed it back then. Can you imagine it in this modern-day now?'

Adding, 'I heard Juande Ramos on Thursday saying ‘I win two games and I am the best manager in the world, I lose two and I will get the sack’.'

He also says to the paper that it is impossible to assess where Villa will finish the season just yet:

'We need our players to stay fit, that’s where the big sides can compensate. They can bring in the players. Chelsea have injury worries at the moment but I knew they would put out a physically strong side. That’s where we are behind at the moment.'

Click here to join in the debate on the club forum.

Writer:J P Fear
Date:Saturday October 11 2008
Time: 3:10PM


No 5 year plan? OMG some bitter and twisted people will be getting as much mileage out of this one as you get out of a Volvo engine. Still Villa has always been myths and legend driven.
11/10/2008 20:07:00
We lost to chelsea, next we're not really in a 5 year plan?! MON needs £5.00 knocking off his wage packet for the mess he's left us in. Bring back DOL, all is forgiven! I'd taken an "honest" bunch of lads over barking at 4th position any day. :S
12/10/2008 01:16:00
this might not go down too well, but. I don't really think david o'leary was that bad a manager considering what he had to play with. he was just a completely annoying d1ck head.
12/10/2008 04:18:00
Frankly, I don't see how a 5-year business plan can *not* include the playing side, that being the raison d'etre of the club - it is the core of the business. Success (or no success) on the playting side is bound to affect the business plan, J.
12/10/2008 09:55:00
yes, of course Lergy, but people took the 5 year plan as the deadline for this, that or the other. It wasn't, it was just a good decent business outline how to turn Villa around. Not 'we HAVE to qualify for CL' or 'we MUST have won the PL' within that time frame. That is what people were taking it to mean and they were talking about it being MON's 5 year plan, which again it wasn't, it was the business plan. Of course the playing side is part of that, how to support the manager, where they are aiming to get etc but it isn't a gun to the managers head so to speak. This was just good common sense business talk after years of jumping from one crisis to another.
The Fear
12/10/2008 10:18:00
Agree liamo, didn't like him as a person but DOL had us playing quite well the first season, then injuries and dressing room stuff got in the way. Must be a bad manager to have split two dressing rooms mind you? He'd have been far more suited to the new chairman with funds to spend mind you, whereas I was starting to think MON would have been better suited to Doug before this summers spending (which still could have been more) because MON is the master of building teams like Leicester with limited funds! NOT saying I'd rather DOL by the way, thought he was an awful bloke!
The Fear
12/10/2008 10:20:00
I thought we were going to increase our wheat production comrades.
12/10/2008 10:20:00
Sorry, J, I feel that some sort of quantum of targeted success must have been incorporated otherwise a business plan is pretty meaningless. I see your point about hard and fast targets and the misinterpretations that have arisen, but still I think there must have been something substantive in the Plan. In which case MON is not entirely scott-free of something to meet unless matters are outside of his control.
12/10/2008 17:41:00
I think the whole point of these initial comments was to sit back and think about 'if' we wanted to be in a position to win the PL and/or play Champions League football in 5 yrs time, what do we need to address here and now. What do we need to change and improve over the next few years in order to get into that position. The outcome of that was a massive improvement in training facilities, investment in youth system, cash to bring in new players etc etc. This was therefore built into a 5 year plan and I think its fair to say they're doing a pretty good job of it. Will it mean we win the Premier League within 5 years? No probably not - but it means maybe we 'could'. All of this has nothing to do with MON - he just needs to concentrate and winning as many games as possible. This is more about the infrastructure of the club rather than the matches themselves. MON shouldn't be knocked for not having a 5 yr plan, he'll be focusing on each and every match like he should be. I'm sure like the rest of us he's ambitious enough to think there's a chance for us to win the PL within the next couple of years but he shouldn't be hung drawn and quartered if we don't.
13/10/2008 02:12:00
Well I think the 5 year plan has gone well. We are favorites to finish 5th, that's a probably step up one place from last season, then MON and Randy etc have 2 years to push us on another place..... Everton reached 4th with a weaker team then our current crop a few years ago.
13/10/2008 12:14:00
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