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The Aston Villa Debate Thread - Part 1

Well, the transfer window came and went and we had 11 threads throughout the summer with over 3500 comments The Villa Transfer Thread - Part 11

So I thought I'd experiment and have a season long thread for general comments, we'll change it in January for the next transfer window, but in the meantime, just talk all things Villa for those that don't venture into our mighty fine forums! Forums >> Click Here

We'll soon see if this is a success by how many people talk the talk here!

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The Journalist

Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday September 3 2008

Time: 7:40PM

Your Comments

Aston Villa have the same financial clout compared to Man City under Randy Lerner as they did to Chelsea under Doug Ellis. Discuss!
The Real Neil
True Neil but Villa now have an infrastructure that is being invested in, a quality manager (I know you don't agree with that) and things are moving forward so the situations can not be compared. although money is a very big deal in football, it's not everything and let's face it, Citeh and Chelsea can't have all the good players, they would not be able to keep them all happy, especially those players that have ambitions other than a huge bank balance.
Villan Of The North
Hogwash Neil, all clubs have less clout that Man City, most/all clubs have less clout that Chelsea. I'd hate to be a part of either because to me that isn't football and I think if more now join in (Liverpool are apparently also on the radar for another lot) the PL might just go totally up its own backside! Thanks for starting things off on a negative though!!!!!!!!!!!! :o))
The Fear
Who thinks that the prices paid for Ribenaho and Bebartov will result in even more inflated transfers? If he went for 32 million then Player X is worth at least 35 million. Average players not even playing for their country will be going for 20 million +.
Surfer Dude
How long do you think Mark Hughes will be there? I for one reckon he will get embarrassed by it all, £135m Ronaldo, £80m Messi, £80m Torres etc. Wheres the challenge?
Stourbridge Villan
The Fear - wasn't either a negative or a positive, or even a neutral! Was merely a way of getting the ball rolling. Nice idea for a thread, by the way. To go through some points posted, or even all together, I think it does depend how many other clubs now get taken to the ultimate, infinite cash level. Liverpool look dead-certs to go for £500million any week, then I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Ashley sold up at Newcastle. Everton have the infrastructure, as do the likes of Spurs. I genuinely think it's linked to the CL places - only four "infinite cash" teams can exist due to the CL places. Then the massive consortia will look elsewhere: the two CL places in Scotland, the ones in France, Holland, etc. It's the end of the world football as we know it, but in true REM style, I do, in a strange way, feel fine!
The Real Neil
player x is a fantastic player i agree. though his lack of pace sometimes undermines his ability to go past a player.
ric112
I think all this cash rich ownership malarky will inevitably lead to a european superleague and I think it will happen quite soon.
Jon.H
I understand that the "Mighty Doug" was on Radio 4's Today programme this morning discussing this - obviously they thought he was a man in the know. My wife didn't bother to wake me up but she said he didn't seem to know who was phoning him or where he was. Did anyone else hear it?
pongo wearing
and why were u not at work ?!!? lol
villian?umhu
It was 7.30am and I was "working from home" today. However, I have just been on the Today programme web site and listened to the interview and I think the wife was being a little unfair. OK he didn't know who he was speaking to but once he got going what he said made sense. They had a job to stop him though.
pongo wearing
okay,, i need some advice and i know this has nothing to do with football but,, i have left school and i have been offered a place at one of the top colleges in the country,, but i have also been offered one at the sixth form of my current school,, where all of my friends are going, sixth form is in walking distance and college is 35 mins on buz what wud u du ,, but this college is like got a 99|% pass rate or sumat silly, and my gcse grades r gud enough 4 me to go ! plzzzzzzzzzz help ! i trust fellow villians ! lol
villian?umhu
None of the above. Get a job.................... (LOL)
Mister Mick
no that is not an option i wanna go on to further education lol
villian?umhu
35 minutes isn't a big deal and "names" still impress in education especially if you want to go on to do a degree.
pongo wearing
villain?umhu - this is an Aston Villa debate thread, perhaps that belongs on the all things not Villa related forum?
los_angeles_villan
What do people really think of Heskey? I think he's a match winner when fit. Cerainly he nearly gained England qualification on his own for Cornet head.
tarzan
villian?umhu - def go to the top college; can't express this enough! You can still see you mates, but you'll really appreciate the advantage this will give you in terms of your education. You'll need to get a good job as season tickets for the European Super League won't come cheap (if Villa can make it!).
RoyalVilla
I have thought about this FACT or FICTION question for a long time and would like an answer of the rest of you. Was the January 2007 signing of Ashley Young from Watford the single-most important transfer made by an Aston Villa manager since Yorke was plucked from the Caribbean by Big Ron? My belief in this is that our entire attack seems to stem from the player - we have now relied on a pace and he has added an extra dimension to our play. He has also allowed us to play a traditional 4-4-2 with flying wingers, 4-3-3 with him wide left supporting Carew or a 4-1-2-1-2 with Young just behind the front two. He also can play a free role. He is the heart and soul of our attack, his crosses and set-pieces are vital. HOWEVER, at the same time I do not think we over-rely on him to the extent Liverpool do with Gerrard and the like. I just think that as soon as he was signed O'Neill could suddenly set his team up in a variety of ways - defensive, playing wide, keeping it through the middle, passing, direct, long ball - and provide an attacking threat. I know its a bit of a ramble and makes him seem like a world beater but I really think the team has another dimension that is difficult to explain!!!
deano.avfc
I know the window has shut but what is everyones views on haveing a cheeky pop at Ronaldo (the fat toothy one) to bolster our attack? Its been said Man city are looking, he is also injured (and fat) and his wages may be high but his goal scoring is second to none even grabbing 9 in 16 games last year for AC Milan. I doubt it will happen but as he is one of my favourite players of all time its nice to dream isnt it?!
Tez86
Ha Ha and I just read on wikipedia that he called his son Ronald after Ronald McDonald as thats what Ronaldo and his wife ate a lot! Legend!
Tez86
Deano. Good point and I think MON is now somewhere near being able to build a team around Young whilst as you say not having to rely on him which gives a flexibilty to the systems we can play. Tez86. No. Although Micky Quinn was a bit of a lump and his touch in front of goal was excellent. But no.
Mister Mick
If it goes the same way as horse racing. The Arabs will buy more clubs and then organize massive money competitions. So they can win their own prize money and show off to their peers. Flat horse racing is now not as accessible to the public as say jump racing. In that I mean money does not drive jump racing because it doesn't have mega rich interest, yet it is held in higher esteem by the average punter. If the same applies to football there may well be a super league. Because these people won't be happy playing the likes of Hull or Stoke. I predict there are going to be at least 4 clubs owned by Mega rich Arabs in the near future, Liverpool and Newcastle look favorites to me. Maybe a couple in Spain to.
ThirtyOne
I'd like to know what people want from Villa. There seems to be a split developing between those who want the club to run on a sound ethos and those who want to buy success. I guess I may be one of the older guys on this site and as such I accepted a long time ago that supporting Villa was hard work. But you had to be a proper supporter. Supporting any of the top 4 is easy. They all win trophy's on a regular basis and people can watch them being pretty sure they will win. With Villa you can never be sure what your gonna get. I remember Chelsea fans when they used to say winning was a bonus. It was supporting the club that mattered. OK that was in their yo-yo days, up-down, up-down. But look at them now it's different. They're starting to sound like man u supporters. We are still unpredictable and whilst I look forward to seeing us as a top top team again, because we're still unpredictable the club remains ours. We're not fashionable so when you go on sites like this you talk with proper supporters. When we get there we'll feel like we've done it together and apart from 1 or 2 hangers on the club will still be ours because it will have got there on sound practise. (sorry to have gone on so long).
Mister Mick
Would the English-player quota in the Premiership help to avoid negative foreign ownership (the ones relying on 'star power' and commercial success over fans and trophies a la Man City AND those who rely on financing with debt a la Liverpool and Man Utd). This would stop the mega-rich as they would know they could not go and get Fabregas, Torres, Ronaldo, Villa and Robinho as they have a quota to fill in English players therefore requiring a focus on youth development. This may mean that top-English players such as Gerrard and Rooney would instantly become £100m players but it would ONLY be temporarily until new youth players come through. These owners would then go elsewhere to a country without these limitations OR take their teams in a superleague - either way benefitting the 'football fan'?? I just think teams need to retain identity - foreign owners, managers, players and fans would seen that the teams association with Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool etc. would be diluted. You need Terry, Gerrard, Carragher, Lampard, Scholes, Agbonlahor etc. etc. to really 'represent' the fans and keep the club in the community!!
deano.avfc
The top teams will always take the best players whether they are English or not. If the quota was introduced we could say good bye to half of our team straight away. Clever buys like that of Berbatov and Santa Cruz from abroad can sometimes get under the radar of the top clubs but I doubt many do to be fair. In my honest opinoion the only thing the quota would bring would be much poorer quality for the smalller teams this includes us!
Tez86
I personally think a team wage cap would be a good idea. It could be used to encourage development (ie. wages of players brought through your youth system don't contribute to the team cap). It could still be very high, rewarding performance, but it could prevent people buying the league. Unfortunatley this would require the assistance of the EU and I thoroughly doubt there is the governmental political will to push this through (esp considering the poer of the big clubs).
RoyalVilla
Being from the US, I will give the only perspective I have...one from America. In the US, football has a hard salary cap and baseball has none whatsoever. If you are a supporter of a small team in baseball, you can pretty much count on having a losing season. Yes, there are a few anomalies, where a small team gets hot for a little while, but its pretty rare. The big teams buy the best talent and are the best throughout the season. In football, there is no telling who will be good at the beginning of the season. Every team has hope for a winning season. There are teams that are obviously better managed that remain at the top of the pecking order, but there are surprise teams that come out of nowhere to have great seasons. There is something about having that hope at the beginning of the season. Villa fans have hope for a good season, although few can hope to realistically win the league. How does it feel to be a Wigan or Sunderland or even Newcastle fan? Those teams have no shot at even being a top 4 team. They probably won't be relegated either. So they have no hope and no fear. Its hard to have a good league when most of the teams have no hope.
attila11101
Can anyone think of any english footballers plying thier trade abroad? (Beckham excluded)
NorthcliffeBandit
@ Mister-mick. Agree totally. I started supporting Villa when they won the leauge cup in 94 when i could have became a manure fan. They had the likes of a up and rising giggs, cantona, kanchelskis which really took the eye. even when it got REALLY bad at villa just before Ellis sold on (well thats the worst ive seen this football club at) my faith never went. In awnser to your question i want villa to take the course they are taking. Course we all like the big money/name signings but it aing going to work like that. Build a team! Young hopefuls and a squad for the future. Me and a work colleauge had a discussion about this. This new man city board will buy the players and demand the manager to place them in the team no matter what (ie Ballack and Sheva @ Chelski) and look were that got the special one!!! with his p45 in his hand! These super powers will kill the English game as they will just but endless world class superstars. Mon and Randy have done it properly, bought up and coming permiership class players so that they can enhance their careers and playing ability. To be honest i feel sorry for the man city players and youth. They will be sold out of the club. The Ultimate thing it comes down to is these oil tycoon* trillionaires are playing fantasy football with real people and i hate to see it.
Villa-in-my-Blood
Cut and paste from 11th transfer thread: please answer: Curbishley gone.....let's put in a bid to get ASHTON on loan now!!!! Can we do that? Is the loan window closed? Strike while the iron's hot. I absolutely knew and stated that when the Icelander came and Curbs bought both Dyer and Bellend that this would end in tears. Very poor judgement by Curbs with player selection, very poor. Cost him the job. Anyhow, just shows you how good Martin is eh? We have spent wisely and slowly and morally. We will reap the benefits and should now start the wheels turning with Ashton, even if it's a pre-contract agreement...All in favour say: Aye!
koolbill
you can only get an emergency loan for a certain amount of days within 7 days after the transfer window closes I believe.
los_angeles_villan
let's put in a bid to get ASHTON on loan now!!!! Can we do that? Is the loan window closed? Not going to happen, its a pity Curbs never curled his toe's up a bit sooner as we may have stood a chance.
col8
i wonder when cuellar will start...
NorthcliffeBandit
welll done gabby and milner!
ric112
A football club must have its fans at heart and any super rich arab will have to listen at some point to the loyal supporters opinion. Thankfully we have Randy who is in it for the long haul and lets MON get on with it. How long will Mark Hughes have before results are expected and finally demanded? A super rich arab brings with him super rich expectations. Finally, should the rich arabs get bored with rainy Mancland will they just pull their funding on a pure whim? Given the endless pots of money Chelsea and Citeh have now, I would still want our MON and Randy at the helm of our very sterdy ship that is the Villa. UTV.
holte ender 1969
Does anyone know when the loan window shuts? I thought deadline day was indeed the last day for everything that is transfer activity, including loans etc. p.s I think Robbie Fowler is available on a free and would be a good temporary measure/backup, as is H Larsson. I was chuffed with the transfers that we have aquired apart from signing a proven striker. Having said that, last season we were stretched for personnel and played some good youngsters. How do we know if these youngsters can't produce at top level if we dont give them a try. Please step forward Nathan D!
holte ender 1969
Cuellar is an interesting one isn't he northcliffbandit? He will surely want to start but a) you can't drop Laursen b) has Davis done anything wrong in order to be immediately replaced? However Cuellar sounds like he is top drawer so... maybe three at the back?
The Fear
Aston Villa have been told they must increase their offer to £18m to buy Dean Ashton from West Ham in January. (Daily Mirror)
The Fear
Looking at whats happening at Newcastle and WHU, i am so glad we have Randy as our owner and now at Man City it wont be long till their new owners will be expecting success in every department every season, and when they fail - it will be goodbye to each manager they have in a small amount of time!
JOHN.CAREWS.CREW
How Downing is picked over Young in the England squad never fails to amaze me... He was shocking and taken off at H/T last night.
AMS78
Nooo, Petrov is due for a new contract. No doubt this will put a stop to his good form. Angel springs to mind, O'Leary got us to 6th then it all went wrong after he signed his new contract also.
Villan444
Hi all, sorry for the silly question, I've been in the the good 'ol USofA for the last 2 week, but has the next round for the UEFA been draw yet??
PBAVFC
Yeah. We play Litex Lovech a week on Thurs. A Bulgarian side.
AMS78
Ams78 - too right! Young could've torn those andorrans a new one, however i'm glad he didnt play cos they'd have retaliated by kicking the crap outta him
NorthcliffeBandit
Fear - 3 at the back with gardner and shorey as wing backs, barry and nige/petrov in CM, young in the free role behind gabby and carew. After 60 mins gabby could come off for milner and we could switch to 3-4-3?
NorthcliffeBandit
If we do 3 at the back, no doubt it's Davies, Cuellar, and Laursen.
los_angeles_villan
I have a late change - Brian Lara at left wing back, he was awesome in that charity game. Apparently he and Yorke used to play together as kids
NorthcliffeBandit
NorthcliffeBandit.....Gardner at RB.....did you see that we actually managed to sign a RB in Young over the last window! I know it is hard to believe though after all this time, so can quite understand your pick! :P
YatesyVillain
According to Eatsleepsport.com - Aston Villa are to battle it out with Chelsea and Middlesbrough to sign Manchester City striker Daniel Sturridge, who is out of contract next summer. Sturridge is rated at around 8 Million by City, and over the last 18 months Villa and Chelsea have had scouts to monitor his progress. Villa could make a move when he is down to the last 6 months of his contract. Sturridge is concerned that he could soon be well down the pecking order at City once the transfer window re-opens in January.
villa for ever
Lazy journalim there - it will be Richards, Johnson, Ireland and anyone else down the pecking order at Man City linked with teams left, right and centre who will be sold for the galacticos!!
deano.avfc
I think Richards will still be a part of the Manchester City team. But nearly the whole team that they have now will be gone. I think we should go in for Michael Johnson.
villa for ever
Does anyone think we should try to bring Darius Vassell back to Villa Park. I think he is still a good player, and he will probably be a player Man City will get rid of in their clear out. If we are in need of a striker in January i would rather have Vassell over Heskey (can not believe we are interested in him.)
villa for ever
I don't like Hesdonkey either but I must admit he does do a good job and takes the battling away from the faster players.
johnmurphy3112
Rather have Heskey over Vassell. I know they're both not prolific scorers but I agree with jm3112.
Mutley73
Honestly lads I dont think there is a danger of getting either, when uit comes to January we will be sitting high in the table and we will heading into the latter stages of the Uefa Cup. We will get a very decent striker... may I suggest Luis Fabiano since Brazilians are the new in-thing? I have also just noticed that Dani Güiza moved to Fernabahce this summer how come we didnt go for him surely we have more pull then a dodgu turkish side despite not offering Champs League footy?
Tez86
Any one seen this story from Vital Spurs?? Something Barry should keep in mind come January....... Robbie Keane got a traditional footballers welcome at the weekend when Thieves broke into his penthouse apartment while he was away on international duty. It is reported that Robbie and his WAG, Cricket (the shop not the sport) loving Claudine lost an expensive watch and jewellery in Saturdays break in. Robbie joins a whole host of Liverpool and Everton players targeted in recent years.. Welcome to the City of Culture Robbie!!!
PBAVFC
PBAVFC Hilarious! Its actually too funny how liverpool fans rob thier own players every time they're out of the country!!
NorthcliffeBandit
anyone know why we are playing on monday against spurs??? we have 2 play midweek as i assume do they in uefa cup all the champs league teams played on sat and there is only one game on sunday why??
aussie_villan
It's for television. Setanta games are on a Monday night.
AMS78
ok.. but why the villa game.. newcastle hull wigan sunderland bolton fulham all arent playing midweek??
aussie_villan
forgot west ham WBA
aussie_villan
whats all this ferguson tipping villa for the title jazz? saw it on one site and not heard anywhere else
ric112
I'd rather pro evo.
chris the villan
And as Villa have to travel to Bulgaria for a match on Thursday you think they would have picked someone else, both Villa and Spudz could well be disadvantaged by this TV committment.
tomog
WOW, what a great game that was, and what a jump up the table 12th to 4th. I know the season has just started, but i wish the season would end now because we are in the Champions League Places. FANTASTIC.
villa for ever
Villa get their first full points in London for 4 years, yes 4 years against the likes of Charlton and Fulham. Someone suggested to me today that we could even beat Manu're this year. Could it be????
Villan444
I am buzzing completley and am 99% happy with everything we have done this summer and how we are set up for the year!! For goodness sake things are that great I cant see how Milner, Sidwell and Cuellar can force into our first XI. Now this extra 1% is the great start Bosingwa has made to his Chelsea career. I know Luke Young has looked great and played a blinder v Spurs but just imagine if we managed to get him!!! A lot of Villa fans are annoyed we didnt get Defoe or Ashton but will Bosingwa be the one that got away??
deano.avfc
I just looked at the season fixture list and noticed March into April... we have : Man City (A), Tottenham (H), Liverpool (A), Man U (A), Everton (H). Tough, tough month or so me thinks.
los_angeles_villan
I just looked at the fixture list and I reckon we'll have 41 points by January and we'll end up finishing with 79!
los_angeles_villan
LAV theres no easy months for any team also worth noting we have UEFA matches to add to the fixture list this season too.
col8
:sigh: I know.
los_angeles_villan
Nigel Reo Coker...Goal machine!!! 2 in 2 do we really need anither striker boys lol!
Tez86
True Tez but Marlon has now missed 2 open goals in 2 games so we need someone to back him up!!! (although he did set up Petrov unselfishly.)
Villan444
444 when shyt comes to shove Marlon will find the net, not wishing to defend him blindly but he has missed two chances after coming off the bench. Just maybe he would score if he was on the pitch from the start and up to speed. Just think its unfair to expect Marlon to pop on and score... Rondidlo came off the bench for Manyoo midweek and did nothing, looked like he could not get "into" the game.
col8
Having not seen the two Harewood misses I don't know if they were unlucky or a case of the Ronny Rosenthals. It does seem like confidence is a big deal with strikers. Kevin Doyle seemed like he was *****e but he has scored two hat-tricks since finally hitting the net. It may be that Marlon needs a flukey deflection to get him started.
Surfer Dude
Agreed guys, Nige scored 1 and then everyting is going his way. I haven't lost faith in Marlon but would like to see him get a few goals this year from the bench as his strength is being an impact player when things aren't going our way.
Villan444
Gabby isn't a striker. He should play on the wing. When he get's through, he tends to fluff it. He's just not a striker.
evoflash
Think you're right evo, Gabby is just a runner and would be more suited to American football as a wide receiver. He needs to work on his ball control and shooting etc although it is improving all the time.
Villan444
I noticed at the Litex match he's getting very heavy on the attitude. I think he needs taking down a peg or two.
evoflash
I don't think his ball control is such a massive issue (goal v Everton last season) and when he wants to beat a player he can. His main problem is his attitude. He needs to look bothered more often. He acts like he doesn't give a **** to much of the time.
PBAVFC
Just out of interest, it would be interesting to know what most Villa fans would prefer this season...A top four spot, the carling cup, uefa cup or FA Cup, if we could only have one of them which would it be?? Could be interesting to see in a poll Mr Fear. Wouldnt it?
PBAVFC
Here is a worrying thought - is Gabby going to go the way of Vassell?? Is he going to get better at out club or will he fizzle out due to lack of competition and need a move eventually to another club?? I dont know to be honest - it can go either way and its up to him but to be honest he doesnt look bothered enough for me!!
deano.avfc
Gabby, is a winger, but play's up front with GreenGiant cuz we have A.Y and J.M for the wing's. I don;t think he well be a flop like Vassell, He just need's shooting practise =]
Blitz
Oh and top 4 =] just to ***** liverpool of !
Blitz
Can anyone explain what this article is all about??? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/2999593/Angel-having-hellish-time.html
olafthegreat
I miss Angel! I guess their database for some reason has belched up some old articles.
The Fear
YES, Aston Villa have won 2-1 against WBA. Great result and we have moved back into 4th. Glad tiredness did not catch up on us for the game.
villa for ever
Pheww glad to have gotten through that game,thought we looked tired in midfield,WBA passed really nicely.The Telegraph seems to have published two articles from around 2002 for reasons unknown.I miss JPA aswell is there anyway Vital Villa could get in touch with him.
Pking
I think we should try to bring the legend JPA back to Villa Park as a coach, to train our young stars.
villa for ever
Angel is old Villa ... the 5 year plan continues:-0
col8
Bit off topic but anyone know any good websites for cheap football shirts - really want to get the New York Red Bulls one with Angel 9 on the back. All this Angel talk has got me thinking.....
deano.avfc
Anyone know how Sidwell is progressing? Surely he should be back soon. I thought it was only a knock to the knee. Having him, Milner and Culleur unable to get in the team would be great news! Finally a strong bench!!
In MON we trust!
I agree - those three could walk in to most other teams and would struggle with ours. Have we had that situation in recent years?? Just as well though with the fixtures coming thick and fast.
deano.avfc
With that in mind what team would you pick v QPR - the 4-5-1 was no good v Litex Lovech but we cant afford to play a complete 2nd string. So I think we should go with - Friedel - L.Young Shorey Knight Cuellar - Milner Routledge Gardner Barry - Harewood The Fonz. That seems the right combo of experience and allowing Carew, Gabby, NRC and Young a breather. I would love to see Guzan on his debut but its too risky. Im also worried about The Fonz starting and maybe an extra midfielder would be okay as long as Routledge and Milner were very attacking and supporting Harewood. In that case I would play Salifou or Petrov in the middle.
deano.avfc
Deano, I was in New York a few weeks back and they had Red Bull shirts in most sports shops and they all had Angel on the back which caused me to get very over excited in the shop. Not sure that helps with the website query mind, just thought you'd be interested to know.
PBAVFC
Daddy or Chips?
Stig
I also met a Juve fan in one bar who was fully aware, as was most Juve fans according to him, that Mellberg bought all them Villa shirts for the fans at the West Ham match. It seemed to go down well with the local Turin press.
PBAVFC
Mellbergs an absolute legend! Im sure Juve are utilising his talents as a quick and tricksy winger!
NorthcliffeBandit
Mellberg's a legend !" End off.. =]
Blitz
To be fair though, he probably is pacy in italy!
NorthcliffeBandit
deano.avfc = just get a cheap one off ebay and go to the villa shop for the letters to be printed on the back. ;-D. there's a good lad.
koolbill
chips
ric112
Out of interest, why do many of the above not participate on our excellent forum? A lot of the user names are strange ones to my eyes, yet they obviously have a considerable amount of comment and general input to offer. We dont bite on there, in fact, we're very warm, cuddly, and welcoming.
glensider
Glen: haven't been on the forum as most i've ever seen are just messy affairs that take ages to upload a comment and then you get blanked for not being a regular - just like my local pub! If you promise not to blank me i'll have a go at Vital forum.
koolbill
The forum is lame IMHO, as Koolbill says, mostly messy private chats, its not easy to navigate, only a few messages per page, more animation than chat, people don't stay on subject, mindless drivel. Compared to here where its the opposite.
Villan444
LOL, O'Leary couldn't even get the barcodes job, (lucky for them.)
Villan444
i think at this rate i could get the job! id sell owen to the famous aston villa for 12p and a clause in his contract that if he gets any sort of injury then newcastle get relegated ( i just really want them to go down! big club my eye!) and buy harewood for 30million! jobs a good-un
aaron_villa87
Get on their koolbill - I'll give you my 100% support. Its guys like your goodself we need on there. Admittedly there can be a lot of clique conversations (which this guy attempts to steer well clear of), and a few fringe type posters who dont really belong on a Villa supporters forum, but the way to build it up and improve it for all, is to attract a few more of you front page posters, hence my earlier question on here. Thanks for responding though, and the same goes for you Villan444. Interesting to know what some of you guys were thinking.
glensider
koolbill, you are one of the regulars, front page or not, you have been around ages, join the madness. Sometimes people blank posters because the poster just says it all and no further comment can possibly follow.... Hey, how is that for creeping!?
The Fear
I'll have a butchers lads. Sounds good.
koolbill
Glen, JF, I just went on the open terrace but couldn't find the reply button, plus it said i was logged in as a guest, so logged in again and it didn't recognise me....feel very sad now. Do i need another i/d or something? Was looking fwd to talking about how poor newcastle are as well.
koolbill
Anyone know who is showing Villa v Litex Lovech game on Thursday - Channel 5 were meant to be but are not they are showing Pompy, Spurs and Everton. ITV4 are showing Man City. Also before anyone says 'Just go to the game' - Im from N.Ireland and believe me, if I was located anywhere in Mainland UK I would be there, and to every game, in a heartbeat!!
deano.avfc
Oh and 3-1 up - should be home and dry but what line-up would everyone go for bearing in mind we have Chelsea on Sunday!! I would want to keep Carew, A. Young, Barry, Laursen etc. fresh for that game. But as we know from QPR we cant go with too weak a team. I would certainly keep a 4-4-2 and not experiment too much tactically!! Just a change of personnel. How about GK Guzan - RB L. Young LB Shorey CB Knight CB Cuellar RW Routledge LW Milner CM Gardner CM Sidwell (if 90%+ fit) or Salifou ST Harewood ST Delfouneso (or Gabby if this team looks too 'reserve') Should be enough to finish the job!!!
deano.avfc
Just a random thought, if no one has spoken about it already, but if Man City with all their money bags wanted one of our prized players such as Barry, Gabby or Young and we named a ridiculous price would we consider selling them? I've been reading reports everywhere that City won't blink over the 80 Mili price tag on Benzema, and suddenly theyre linked with every superstar player, including Sergio Ramos who apparently wants away from real. What if we named a price that was ridiculous? Mahatma Ghandi or Abu Dahbi or whatever their names are look like they don't know jack about the game, they just have the wallet for it so i dont think they look at a player who might have a ridiculous price on him and be like nah he is not worth it. I don't like where this is going for Man City, and the game for that matter. Proud to know were sensible with our dosh
AussieVilla
Who would want to play for Man City though? If given the choice of Manure or Citeh, it would be Manure everytime.
DoLpHiNaToR
Just a quick thing about the John Carew song? The OS reckons that the song goes "Bigger than 2 of You" as the second line? I thought it was: John Carew Carew He's bigger than me and you? He's bigger than Marlon too John Carew Carew. Other web pages say 'he's gonna score a goal or two"? What is the correct version? Have I been singing the wrong thing all this time?!
AVGD
thought it was John carew carew "he's bigger than me and you" he's going to score one or two John carew carew
aussie_villan
the song is.... john carew carew hes bigger than me and you hes gonna score 1 or 2 john carew carew! from a holte ender!!
aaron_villa87
The only people that Man City are going to attract are players who are interested in cash more than footy. They aren't guarenteed to challenge the top 4 or even uefa spaces in my opinion. They can spend a stupid amout of money of high profile players as far I'm bothered, it won't guarentee them anything. We need to look no further than our own manager to see how to progress a team to a top 4 club.
PBAVFC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A41590181 - Really worth reading this article. Its a copy of what was written by Cascarino last year. Thank god he's not our manager.
PBAVFC
good to know aaron thought that what it was
aussie_villan
On cascarino here is this years opinion on villa... dont think he likes us or MON.... Aston Villa are another side who will come close to the top four as they possess a powerful and athletic side. However, I can’t see them beating any of the big four away or at home. Everyone was surprised they lost at Stoke but I wasn’t as Villa play a Championship style in terms of pace and power which upsets most Premier League teams but can come unstuck against teams like Stoke or QPR who play that way themselves and are used to it. Martin O’Neill’s side may not be as direct as the Potters but they are not that far off as they tend to hit direct to John Carew a lot.
aussie_villan
My choice quotes from that article are: "I was expecting O’Neill to make a move for players such as Scott Parker, Joey Barton and Mark Viduka. Those are the kinds of players who could have taken Villa to the next level." <--- thank God we didn't "Are top-flight defenders going to quake in their boots at the prospect of facing Harewood, John Carew and Ashley Young? I don’t think so." <--- well mebe not Harewood, but Carew and Young are possibly our two most important players and do make defences quake
KaBar
haha cascarino you dope. ashley young is the best winger in world football right now. carew is unplayable. harewood is...well he scares the life out of me whenever i see his mug.
ric112
true, old marlons the kinda dude you wouldnt wanna run into on a dark night, or full moon! Scott Parker isnt bad but is essentially a worse barry, joey barton is not only *****e, but a thug too, whilst viduka is a fat baztard, immobile version of carew. cant see overmuch progression there!
NorthcliffeBandit
Northcliffe not at all bitter are you.. tell you what in 5 years we will be moving players on Instead of sending them to Bor'o we will send them to you :-)
col8
bitter? im ecstatic! we dodged the bullet (ie crappy players) superbly
NorthcliffeBandit
just read The Times's report on 'that night in Rotterdam' and saw an article about Martin O'Neill below it haha...hmm how weird would it be if he was on the back pages when we next win it... http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/viewArticle.arc?articleId=ARCHIVE-The_Times-1982-05-27-22-001&pageId=ARCHIVE-The_Times-1982-05-27-22
ric112
wow, theres noone on this site anymore
ric112
how are we a fourth seed in the uefa cup when spurs are first and man city are third???? we finished 6th, they finished 11th and 9th. can anyone explain...
NorthcliffeBandit
Not sure this thread is working out quite as intended, maybe I'll have to scrap this for an idea and just stick with the transfer window ones? What say you fine folks?!
The Fear
It's a good place for those who do not enter into the forums, so no
steff_the_villan
say no more steff... say no more. Actually, do say more, don't to encourage members to be quiet now do I?!
The Fear
I tried to get some debate early on about Heskey and it just got ignored. Particularly as I was proved right when he did the business for England again. It's a good idea in pricinple but the liveliest threads usually come from debate across the teams (debate with Celtic, Liverpool and Spuds come to mind).
tarzan
Hi Villains. You guys appear to have got the toughest draw of any Premiership Side in the dreaded Group F. Hamburg and Ajax are tough nuts to crack at the best of times. Slavia Prague can have their days and the only "weaker" club is Zilina. You'll need to beat both Ajax and Zilina at home or you'll need a win away at Hamburg and/or Slavia Prague to be sure of qualifying. The problem with this group is it appears to have an outright "weaker" side. That means you may have to get more than the usual 6 points to get through. Good luck Villains and see you in the knockout stages!
Sindbad
Right lets get at this - i dont use forums so lets get this going again!! News today is about West Ham needing to sell in January - okay then surely they will have set out and planned without Ashton because of his injurys so will be no big loss or affect on the team if we made a move for him. He hasnt really got started at West Ham and surely would be a great buy for us. Better than the Hare and would be useful as 2nd choice to Carew. He would not be UEFA Cup tied and could help us if we are still 3 games a week. Imagine him and Carew with Milner and Young supplying the bullets??
deano.avfc
I could also imagine Ashton AND Carew on the treatment table most of the time, although agreed that he would be a great asset.
Villan444
Anyone reckon we'd be able to arrange a pre-transfer agreement to buy Ashton and maybe one or two others from WestHam so they get their cash up front to save them from going bust and we get a few additions to the squad in January....?
bentonm
With all these banks going tits up, I do hope that King Randy has no financial worries. Good job MON got that 50 mil in the sumer ;-D
Villan444
Thanks for the good luck sindbad, think the draw could have been worse but our guys will certainly have to be on top of their game to progress. Even 'easy' sides have their days sometimes! Can't wait for the Ajax game!
The Fear
We already have a couple of West aaaaaam rejects bentonm, who else other than Ashton would be worth it bearing in mind the stupid wages that they are all on??
Villan444
Would love Dean Ashton IF only he could stay fit. Maybe at the price being mentioned in the press and the fact he is rarely off the treatment table, he would be too much of a risk. Who else they got we could get?!?!?!
The Fear
Rob Green and maybe Scott Parker?
bentonm
I'd make a terrible manager or scout, I'd want all the players! We were linked several times to Rob Green but he'd not come as a no2 and Friedel certainly wouldn't be happy not playing. Parker might not be a bad shout I guess but we don't really need any more midfield options at the moment do we? Not unless the Barry transfer saga starts again.
The Fear
Scott Parker is another who would keep our physios in work, and Green is quality other than his off day at the weekend, but don't think that he would fit in beacuse his name isn't Brad!!!!
Villan444
Quick question as a Northern Irish Villan with very little money - how likely am I to get tickets for Villa v Spurs??? At the moment its down for March 14th. Do our home games v Spurs sell out??
deano.avfc
and would there be ANY chance of Man Utd away without being season ticket holder etc.???
deano.avfc
No and No to both questions mate.
Villan444
You should be able to get tickets for Spurs but I'd be quick if I was you. As for Man Utd away, as Villan444 says, no chance without a booking history/away booking history
The Fear
The Fear. Not bein a season ticket holder, do u think there's any chance of gettin tickets for AstonVilla vs AjaxFc?
Blitz
Not totally sure, they will go to those in the cup voucher scheme first (obviously) then priority sale (season ticket holders) then I would imagine fans with a booking history this season - then general sale Should still be able to squeeze in if you are quick off the mark I guess?
The Fear
you guys here that Martin Jol says we're favorite to top the group? ok, Ajax arent the team they were, but HSV are topping the bundesliga. still we only need a top 3 finish, which is easily possible...hope carew is fit though, we lack a bit o firepower without him. could do with a class replacement, ashton maybe, but perhaps someone like quagliarella, pazzini etc?
NorthcliffeBandit
damn, hear not here
NorthcliffeBandit
also iaquinta is now behind trezeguet, del piero and amauri. he might be well worth the £10m? (give or take)
NorthcliffeBandit
Italian strikers, and players in general, in the Premiership tend not to do very well (Zola was always the exception) so it may be a risk but we certainly need another striker in January!! Didnt think I would be saying that at the end of the season - thought I would have been asking for a full back or central defender!!! I have a sneaking suspicion that a cut-price move for Ashton (West Ham need the £) or Heskey (out of contract at end of year) will be on the cards. Possibly Doyle if Reading look like they will not get promoted buy January. Other than those 3 I dont know!!! But then again I didnt think we were after Cuellar or Luke Young!!!
deano.avfc
Gabby looked just as lazy playing for the u21s as he does for us!!
Villan444
Maybe thats his way.... Berbatov looked like a lazy tw*t on the pitch but that never stopped the drunked jock spending 30 million quid on him did it? Maybe we dont quite see what others see with Gabby.
col8
i think he'd really improve with a bit of competition for his spot. marlon's never gonna nick it, but someone a little better might force him to buck his ideas up
NorthcliffeBandit
The Daily Mail says the England call up for Agbonlahor and Hart is a surprise. I'm not surprised at all. These two young players deserve a call up and I hopre they both get to play!
Sindbad
The Daily Mail is full of *****e, and thats no exception
NorthcliffeBandit
Must admit I think it is too soon for Gabby with the full England squad. He needs to be banging them goals in regularly for us first and needs a bit more experience surely? Not knocking him, he has improved season on season, but this seems a little bit too much too soon.
The Fear
Totally agree bandit, it is the area we still lack competition for place, be great to bring in another striker this Jan and another in the summer, that would keep them all on their toes and would surely result in yet more goals?! Oh this management lark is sooo easy! :o)
The Fear
i would say a fit owen or ashton any day but their injuries seem to be lenthy and reoccuring. Can doyle cut the mustard again in the Premiership if we were to bid?
Villa-in-my-Blood

Does anyone know if this works????
Villan444
Fear, was that you on match of the day 2?
NorthcliffeBandit
Yes, good looking fella aren't I??!?! They were meant to put the graphic up with name and website but our messages got mixed up when they were doing it. DOH!
The Fear
The film offers have been flooding in today including casper the friendly ghost and poltergheist (I think I looked like death warmed up!) and a panto offer of the back end of a horse. Very exciting.
The Fear
lol Villan444, no I have no idea, I'm built like a (rusty) bronzed adonis. Do tell us if you succeed though!!!!!!
The Fear
Can anyone explain Martins substitions to me? on saturday he brought on a natural right back and played him at left back but our natural left back was still on the bench?
johnmurphy3112
Don't think anyone other than MON could explain them to be fair, but then only his thoughts count I guess! All a bit baffling really.
The Fear
He needs to find a winning formula and stick with it, this tinkering with Barry and the full backs has to stop. We waited long enough for a left back which would allow Barry to fill his role as midfield maestro only to find him playing left back again. Bizaar in all honesty, however we did get a point and free scoring Defoe never scored so I suppose the manager got what he wanted a clean sheet.
col8
Proper debate here to get it rekindled. Rumours of David Beckham moving on loan to a Premiership Club in January (highly unlikely since LA Galaxy have invested millions in him and will not want him to get injured). So if it is true - could he do a job for us and would you want him??
deano.avfc
Young did play at left back at spurs... but to be honest, I'm not sure if he really rates shorey. I'd say bouma will be straight in there when he comes back. Looking forward to seeing what team he plays on Thursday.. btw shorey has already been pencilled in for that one. MASSIVE GAME. wish I could be there. UTV
azton villain
Not totally sure deano.avfc, think we've had this discussion in the forum before as well. I think I would because of the attention he brings, the marketing etc and he has fantastic skills for sure and is still young enough. But.......? Would it stifle the young talent coming through for instance? I guess it would be fun to see so yes, why not!??!
The Fear
might be worth asking that in the 100% football forum as well deano.avfc.
The Fear
I think shorey will end up a decent squad player for us and will settle in and get better. Do think he'll find it difficult to keep Wilf out though.
The Fear
on the bbc it says Beckham is going to Inter Milan on loan.
The Fear
better off without, hes well worse than young
NorthcliffeBandit
Gareth Barry can't win the games on his own. Football is a team game. Deano -- it seems beckham is off to AC Milan!! for the profitable inter-season loan. I can just see Posh parading through the shops in Milan...
Sindbad
you'd struggle to see Posh anywhere, she is so thin! Must admit, I like girls slim but I don't like to date skeletons... ! (That said, I'm not sure she'd particularly be excited at the prospect of me either! LOL)
The Fear
There is as much chance of Marlon Harewood coming to us as Beckham goig to you lot.........BEHAVE!!!!!!!
mani13963
:o)
The Fear
Worried that the red faced, twitching Arry will now come in for GB being a Spuz fan and all that.
Villan444
never mind fat arry tryin to nick our players, mebbe we could skim off the cream of pompey. defoe? kranjar? johnson?
NorthcliffeBandit
Yes, would love to see us get Defoe and some of the other quality, think Pompey are low on funds (maybe why Arry jumped ship?!) time will tell!
The Fear
Big bad John is your talisman. Every time he plays for you the whole team gets a lift and he makes things happen for you. It isn't so much that he is a great footballer, he is just a winner.
Sindbad
pick your striker for jan; doyle, martins, santa cruz, crouch, defoe, heskey.
Stig
The fear; maybe the above could be polled?
Stig
good idea
NorthcliffeBandit
yes, can do that Stig. Will get done after this man of the match one.
The Fear
OK lads, at the start of the season, who would have been happy after 10 games to be level on points with Hull??
Neil_av_182
not me fo sho. who would have thought stan petrov would be one of our star players this season??
ric112
defoe, santa cruz, doyle, martins, crouch, heskey
splatt
lol, good question neil_av_182. Should ask that in the forum, you'd get more reactions! Totally agree with what I think you are suggesting, if somone had said we;d be equal we would have assumed we'd had a nightmare start. Hope Hull continue and finish in the top half of the PL.... under Villa though obviously!

Agree with ric112 as well, although Petrov was starting to show some good form at the end of last season and he had shown in short bursts before that what he was capable of, especially on his debut at west ham which was frankly sublime. At that point I thought we'd got a new magic merse!
The Fear
have added a few more options having asked for opinions in the forum, so will ask that poll soon. I'd go for Owen
The Fear
Considering the hammering you took in the pre-season against the Imps, you are starting to put together a pretty good season!
SalfordImp
Salford those pre-season European games also helped :-p
col8
Excellent start to the season, early days yet!
ArabianKnight
good luck today and I'm backing you all the way for that 4th spot!
parklanebert
I have heard several fans on another forum that Villa stand a chance, a minor chance but a chance of challenging for the league. Now me im a die hard Villa fan, but also realistic one and while i wish we could challenge for the league i really do, 5th is the realistic option this season. Now i just wanted everyone's opinon's on this, obviously if we win mon and next sun then come the Arsenal game we will be sitting pretty in 3rd. If we can continue this form until Jan and get a few players than you just never know that the opinon of some fans, but this season its 5th for me. UTV, my club, my life
Jonesy08
with arsenal looking weaker than usual this year... a strong performance might see the 4th position up for grabs.
ArabianKnight
True, we have matched Arsenal in most games and IF we can beat them next week (which we should have the last 2 years at their place,) and keep winning against the lesser teams then why not. Liverpool's jammy start is starting to fall apart and hopefully they have used all their luck up. Can see us getting third !!!!
Villan444
I'm amazed Newcastle took the points off you Villains. But I suppose they had to have a good game sooner or later. Villan444 -- how on earth did you drop that graphic into this article thread?
Sindbad
This is supposed to be a debating thread and the debate had gone dry (which admittedly wasn't helped atall by the appearance of the lovely Sonya.)
Villan444
Sinbad exactly what i thought. The geordies clearly wanted and needed it more than us but its still no excuse for a shocking performance. Just a shame it was us boys they turned over. I was convinced we'd blow them away
medzy
Need to get back to Young, Gabby and big John across the front. Bor'o will still be****ed off after they deserved 3 points last season.
col8
Yup, not sure this thread is really 'doing it' but will soon be replaced with the Jan transfer window thread, we can guarantee 1000's of posts in that!
The Fear
Just wanted to hop over and congratulate you guys. Well played and your boys deserved more than 2 goals. I wished your pentalty had done in (our guys always need a wake-up call you see) and I wished we played our Kids XI instead. But now I wish you guys good luck - I had predicted you guys to be the closest team to the top 4 pre-season and it's going well so far. Rather it be you guys than anyone else.
GoonerLou
thanks GoonerLou, very gracious in defeat, shows you're a quality footie fan.
The Fear
 

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