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MON's Stoke Reaction

Disgusted, disgraceful and amatuerish are not words he uses. Instead he takes the positives from the match, scoring two away from home, the fact it was a great match and says 'that was a massive disappointment but we'll bounce back.'

You have to ask who against? HF the Icelandic part timers, or Liverpool?

I'm one of O'Neill's greatest fans and although the scoreline probably doesn't do us justice - at the very least we should've come away with a point - it's hard not to realise against teams who battle, we always struggle.

Once Young is shut down, if Barry doesn't have a corker we struggle for ideas going forward. We can't break down teams who sit deep and kick hard.

Ok so we finally saw Routledge come on, and to be fair to the lad given how long he had he did provide us with some balance on the right and gave us an additional outlet as he tried to hit the byline as often as he could.

But sadly even his inclusion was somewhat buggered by the fact that he had Reo-Coker playing at right back which surely doesn't give anyone any confidence.

Stranger still on the Routledge for Shorey substitution, why didn't Barry go left back? Why in God's name did Luke Young (our first natural right back in months) get shifted to left back?

The shape and balance of an already under the cosh and struggling defence was completely destroyed - so is it any wonder we lost the game.

Lessons to be learnt from the game. Nigel Reo-Coker is NOT a right winger, NOR a right back. Luke Young is not a left back.

Please play people in their proper positions - at least we stand a chance then.

Speaking on the official site, O'Neill wasn't entirely happy with the defence, but he was impressed with the character we showed to come back twice from being behind.

'Overall we deserved something from the game. We didn't play well in the first-half at all and we didn't get momentum going and they scored from a penalty kick that was dubious at best.

'But having said that we got into our stride in the second-half and deserved the equaliser. We deserved the second equaliser as well.

'After that we shouldn't lose the game. Whatever you do, don't lose the match. We just had one more throw-in to defend; it was coming in once again. They got a wee bit of luck but overall it's disappointing to lose in that fashion.'

Maybe it would've been easier to defend if NRC and Young were in relatively sensible positions? Then again we went from looking like winning the match to pathetically losing the match all in one substitution.

Routledge being brought on was the right decision, taking Shorey off and shifting everyone else around to accomodate Reo-Coker wasn't. As MON goes on to say, we got into our stride in the second half. Why ruin it by buggering about with the defence?

'We got into our stride after the break and I thought the second-half belonged to us. I don't think many would have griped had we got something out of the match.

'On reflection on the whole game we should have taken something from it. That's not to take anything from Stoke. It was a great effort in front of their own crowd.

'It's really disappointing for all concerned. It's disappointing for the team and obviously for the supporters. But we'll come back again.'

The less said about Mark Halsey the better, but O'Neill puts it far more succinctly, if confusingly, than I ever could.

'Gabby's was more of a penalty. I wasn't sure that it was really and I can see why the referee did not give it.

'I thought it was a penalty from where I stood but at the second look I wasn't so sure. Having said that, their penalty was never a penalty at all.'

So Gabby's wasn't a penalty but it was more of a penalty than theirs. Easy.

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Writer: Mike Field Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday August 23 2008

Time: 7:41PM

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I just hope the MOTD team dont get hold of your comments. They will destroy MON's tactics being able to show these points about the suisidel substitutions with the aid of video. What an earth was he thinking of? Judging by Barry's performance today, I am inclined to agree with Capello's midweek comments about his play being affected by the transfer saga. He alone cost us their second goal! And if neither foul on 30 minutes was a penalty, why did MON give the referee an ear full on the way down the tunnel? On the whole, a game to put to bed as soon as possible and to move on... bring on Cuellar soon! He must have been "chomping at the bit" if he saw this afternoons defensive shambles!
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23/08/2008 20:28:00

(NRC) hope we dont spend all season accommadating players out of postion he can not pass
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23/08/2008 20:36:00

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23/08/2008 21:15:00

Can i add Nigel Reo-Coker IS NOT A FOOTBALLER full stop.
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23/08/2008 21:38:00

5 goals conceded in 2 games! leaky defense costs us again. We can't and won't score 4 every week so need to sort this out and we blamed Carson!
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23/08/2008 21:51:00

Not at all bitter and twisted with the poll are we?
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23/08/2008 22:02:00

No need for a silly ott knee jerk reaction(even though i fully expected one),We had a bad day and lost to a team we shouldn`t have lost to,It happens thats football we are not man utd but equally we all of a sudden have not become a bad team.
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23/08/2008 22:06:00

jesus we're a bloody charity team (not the acorns thing, thats excellent!!) we beat blackburn 4-0 and took 4 points off chelsea, yet we hurled vital points away at *****tin fulham and wigan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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23/08/2008 22:40:00

I new someone would come on and say it's not has bad as it seems "lerneravfc" it was pathetic, end of story
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23/08/2008 22:41:00

How bad does it seem to you then?Are we now doomed to have a bad season because we coked up one game?We had a bad day an lost a game we shouldn`t have like every other team will do.May i point out that spurs who a lot of people were flapping over after their "star signings" have lost both home and away so far so get a grip and grow up mate.We will lose games rhis season like every other team,The difference is some look at at the big picture and do not start squaking like a women on the rag.
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23/08/2008 23:00:00

I meant to say cocked up one game,I was not implying in any way our players were "coked up".
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23/08/2008 23:02:00

We all know that we need a right sided player/winger, as it seems obvious that MON has little faith in Routledge. From where I'm sitting it appears that MON doesn't want to drop NRC or Petrov to the bench. The problem is though; You can't fit square pegs in round holes! It should be interesting to see what happens if we do get SWP or Milner in.
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24/08/2008 00:10:00

lerneravfc is right. We deserved a point but came away with can be a b**ch but we get up and move on...that said, I hope MON works at tightening up our leaky defence before next Sunday otherwise Torres and Keane will think Xmas has come early this year...on the flip side, if we beat Liverpool next week Stoke will be forgotten!
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24/08/2008 07:07:00

There you go everyone, don't have opinions on a game as only lerneravfc is allowed one. How condescending you sound to tell people to get a grip. Fans are passionate about the team and the way in which we lost is not pretty in anyone’s book and deservedly so they are entitled to vent some frustration. You obviously didn’t witness the performance and tactical naivety in our substitutions to be concerned and worried. I agree when you say it’s only one game into a season but we are still 1 dimensional and suffering from last seasons problem of being unable to defend, the problem which stops us becoming a better team.
Hoss The Villain
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24/08/2008 07:30:00

Credit to Stoke fans for not coming on here to take the p iss. Sometimes MON's tactics baffle me somewhat. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe we've lost EVERY single game where NRC has played RB (or attempted to anyway). industrial_musical where have you been??!!?
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24/08/2008 10:51:00

My goldfish could have strategised better for that substitution! What the ***** was MON playing at? NRC, Barry and Petrove CANNOT... and I'll repeat it for MON again... CANNOT play in the same team!!!
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24/08/2008 11:08:00

Lets put in into perspective, Arsenal lost to Fulham, Spuds lost to Sunderland, Liverpool were lucky against Middlesboro, Hull got a point at Blackburn and Newcastle were lucky against Bolton (Nolan Pen saved) seems we are'nt the only side having early season blips with players settling in, new tactics etc!
Stourbridge Villan
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24/08/2008 11:40:00

So what you're saying, Hoss, is that everyone is entitled to their opinion except lerner, who shouldn't express the opinion that we shouldn't panic because of one game? :o)
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24/08/2008 12:11:00

villan-in-cyprus - I've been visiting, but I've been keeping my distance as I thought my optimistic views were not required :) however this pathetic performance has prompted my return!
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24/08/2008 12:47:00

Oh another thing - Maybe there is a silver lining to this horrible stoke might give MON the kick up the bum to go sign a big name quality right sided player? SWP for example. I don't know about everybody else but every time we play we seem all over the place with no ideas, then a little bit of magic from carew or ashley and we score and we go on and win. We never seem to be a comfortable team unless we score? oh and so far this season we can conceded 3 goals after 90mins now. (Odense, Man city and Stoke - 2 of which caused a draw or defeat)
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24/08/2008 12:52:00

Nigel Real Joker, need I say more?
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24/08/2008 15:14:00

Has industrial_music been away? Who is he, apart from a guy who wants SWP at VP?
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24/08/2008 23:51:00

It was poor yesterday, very poor, both individually and collectively, but this time last week everyone was creaming themselves over the Manchester City result. Surprise! Surprise! We're not as good a team as we all talked ourselves up to be last week.
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24/08/2008 23:54:00

The difference is Bob fans are rightly so venting their frustration on an article based on the reaction to a game. All learner and a few others can constantly do is demean the fans point of view and not offer their own. Why can't they give us their opinion on the game, performance and tactics which is what the article is about? You are right though he/she isn't entitled to their opinion if it doesn't agree with mine :-) Doh... I have turned into learneravfc!!
Hoss The Villain
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25/08/2008 08:52:00

Let's all just chill. Milner will be in Aston on Tuesday, we'll beat HF and draw with the Red Scum.
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25/08/2008 08:56:00

Positive vibes from PiperUk. We're all getting heated over a set-back, and lets face facts, they are going to happen over the course of the campaign.
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