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The Villa Impatience Curse?

It looks like our classic impatience is starting to work its way through after our defeat against Sunderland. I found myself at my most negative since MON's arrival but soon realised it is a symptom I have been cursed with since starting going down the Villa in the early 1970's.

Villa fans (along with other inconsistent giants like Newcastle and Spurs) are incredibly impatient for success. We give our managers very little time. DOL, after a very decent start, was turned on after two and a bit years when the main fault lay at the chairman's door.

Brian Little suffered similar doubts after an incredible start to his managerial career at Villa. Three and a bit years and he was gone.

Vic Crowe was hounded out of the club after one bad season after a promotion from div 3 and a third place in Div 2. One bad season and we chanted 'Vic Crowe must go'.

Graham Taylor mark 2 was given 1.5 seasons before he felt our wrath and even in his first spell some of us (I was guilty!!) were calling for his head after a very poor start to his third season. Thankfully my advice was ignored and we went on an incredible run and nearly won the league!

Even the mighty Ron Saunders was under pressure in 1978 when a lot of us didn't understand that he was going through a necessary team rebuild.

I think history teaches us that changing managers regularly does not work. Our longest period with the same man in charge led us to the league title. Ferguson at Manure is another classic example where patience has paid off.

I think we should sit back and enjoy the ride with MON and Randy. Sometimes, like Saturday, we will feel at the depths of depression and get the urge to change things. However this is not the way forward. Let's for the first time in decades trust a manger with a decent record and reputation and see where it gets us.

However we may also need to get the Butler prayer matt out to pray for significant signings in the summer as the window is a particularly testing time for our poor patience!

Up the Villa!

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Writer: Jake Findlay Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday March 25 2008

Time: 3:56PM

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I think we live in a society where everything we do is based on not waiting long (we are an impatient lot) Fast food, checkouts, hate queuing and waiting in phone calls, none of us like it. I think its true in football everyone hates waiting especially when we dont know how long that wait is. You can talk about 5 year plans and that but past experience and put football into the mix you just cant put a timeframe on success. As this article suggests sit back and enjoy the ride....
A decent article and I agree with the point patience is the key to success. I am a fan of MON and feel he will take Villa on to great things, however I do have a couple of issues with him. His transfer policy and his frequent insistance on playing players out of position. (Point 2 may be solved by an improvement on point 1).
I regularly defended DO'L on this forum and others - not because I thought he was a brilliant manager, but because (to quote a comment I used then) it would be like cutting your toenails when you have a gangrenous leg. We needed to get rid of HDE first, THEN sort out which manager could do a job for us. None of us can know how DO'L would have done under Randy Lerner's ownership, and we never will, but I'd rather keep a manager like MON than chop and change. Getting rid of managers is like moving house. Unless you have a LOT more money to spend, all you do is waste it on estage agents, removals and solicitors. Look how Everton have been held up this season as an example of good management that might be copied by Villa. Am I the only one who can remember the terrible seasons they've had recently, when David Moyes was absolutely pilloried by their fans? And how about Sam Allardyce, who was held up last year as being a replacement for MON. Anyone know where he is at this moment? My advice: stick with what you have unless it's absolutely essential to change. And even then think twice!!
DOL was a bit of a tit , and still is
I am mega concerned around the booing plus ovefrall moaning and groaning if we aren`t ahead after 10 mins,during the game we need to back the team and only after 90 mins can you gauge team performance and react.
yeh booing at half time, come on people , support your team
nicely summed up bob the builder.
The Fear
I am 100% behind Martin, but would like to know if he is reluctant to spend or the funds not being available.
silkie villain
Change the keeper !
Cracking article Jake Findlay. Received some good responses both here, and on the forum. Food for thought indeed.
A well balanced article, which is very refreshing. Rome wasn't built in a day...
I have to agree with this ... i hated the day when Gregory left - a real villa fan, atkinson went, and definatly when we lost Saunders. As much as i hate Man ure ... we would all love to be in there position and i would so love it when fergie does step down and they come after MON and he turns em down .... and while i'm on the subject .... i was ashamed at the booing some supporters gave Yorke on Saturday ..... as i said i hate Man Ure .... and certainly are not fans of our rivals City .... but why we insist on booing players who gave their all for our club ..... unless of course they went to Middlesboro for better money with the excuse of that they believed they had a better chance of playing for england .... where are ya now Boteng, Southgate and ugo ??? so enuff said
tvrwhitey - Chavs, same scum who used sewerage language to abuse Harry Redknapp earlier in the season. I'm all for banter, but its an unfortunate thing we encounter down at VP. Yorkie was always brilliant for us. We do need to change the keeper though! Loans have been a disaster for us, both Milner and Carson. I can't see how loans are allowed between premiership clubs. I hope MON has learnt his lesson, I'd rather stick with what we have or play one of the kids
Great article - common sense and great historical fact to back up your argument. I too remember the abuse that Moyes took, as well as that received by Ferguson in his early days at ManUtd. Anyone remember the Villa Park game when the Man Utd fans were abusing him and we were all singing "fergie must stay?" What were we thinking?????
Little, Taylor and possibly even Atkinson and Gregory would have brought the good days here if given the time. McNeill, O'Leary and Venglos on the other hand.......
Brilliant article! It takes a long, long time to get 25 years of frustrations and anger at wasted opportunities out of our systems and I own I can bcome edgy at a few poor results. How I detest what HDE did to our club with his parsimonious self publicising approach. Now we have an owner who wants to stay in the background and a top class manager who seems committed to Villa. If MON can get his transfers right this summer we really will be going places. We must have patience and belief.
This article is ok, but I think this sort of reactionary stuff has to stop. Every time we get knocked back, sure, we have a little moan, but equally, whenever we have a little moan, out comes someone to say all us villians ever do is moan and that we should be patient. I think the right attitude is actually what most villians I know and those that participate on this board do already - namely having faith and trusting the decisions of your manager but also calling into question the bad decisions at the right time. Most of us have has a LOT of faith in MON but have rightly wondered sometimes about certain issues. The constant selection of Petrov, the lack of right back, the lack of january shopping... I think anyone who saw that dreadful performance against Sunderland is right to start asking questions now. If the BBC are to believed it seems Carson is in line to start against Man Utd which is just truly baffling in the light of his recent howlers. Many have called for patience but almost two seasons is a long time and I sympathise with those that want to have a bit of a moan right now. Personally, I still love o'neill and think he is the man to be trusted. But I still have gripes with some of his decisions. So please, lets stop knocking the knockers (oo er...)
I don't think people are getting on MON's back. I admit there was booing on Saturday but not once did I hear someone have a go at MON. I do believe the Transfer policy may be cause for concern for many supporters myself included but everyone respects what MON has achieved so far and the Future does look bright. I think we all got a bit carried away when we were pushing for that fourth spot but that is a good thing and it is now upto MON and Mr Lerner to push the club further forward so we can challenge for that position.

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