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O'Neill On The Carson Situation

Martin O'Neill has told the official site that the decision on whether they take Scott Carson permanently isn't just down to Villa.

In answer to the on-loan keeper's recent comments that he would like to get settled at a club - see To Keep Keeper Or Not To Keep Keeper the Villa boss said,

'We'll be making decisions but like anything else there will be a number of parties concerned. That decision is a three-way decision as I would be very quick to point out. For instance, all things could be thwarted if Liverpool decide that they want to bring him back.'

'He is not saying anything new. I read things from him two weeks ago where he was saying almost exactly the same. We are in a situation here where he is on loan until the end of the season, that was the deal that we had with Liverpool. Liverpool haven't changed their stance in any aspect. That has been the case.'

And on the form of Carson he added, 'Have I been pleased with him? Yes, absolutely. He is a young kid, learning and wanting to do very, very well. He has got a really good attitude.'




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Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday February 27 2008

Time: 7:27PM

Your Comments

great keeper , be a great number two to Reina, cos the one they got at the moment is hopeless
krisvilla
This is a polite way of saying 10 million!!! do I look completely stupid. Carson will come good but why wait 6 years, that money will buy just about anyone we want (if we're in europe).
Waldorf
If it's written into the loan contract that we must pay at least that amount I don't think he'll be here next season. Which I do think is a shame. He will be a great keeper one day, and I think he could really pull it out, but the problem is, he needs to do that now.
Carlosio
Less and less convinced as time goes on that he will be at VP next season and if he is and 10m has been parted with I will be flabbergasted!!!
fatloser
A top four club would buy someone for 10million, I would like him at Villa, I do agree that he not a top4 keeper yet but will be one day. As for the cost of a player, I am not concerned how much we spend on a keeper as long as it doesn't jeopodise other signings. 10mil? Who cares, we have a bottomless pit, allegedly!!!
young_jonah
money isn't the point with Carson, young-jonah. The ppoint is he isn't ready to be anyones first choice at the moment. If he was really worth 10 mill I think he might just be in the liverpool team, at the moment he isn't even second choice! All we are doing is helping liverpool polish off the rough edges, if he looks like he has improved then he might be second choice to reina at 'Pool next season, if not then out he will go on loan again ( three years left on his contract). If he comes back the following season and still isn't good enough to be second choice then they will flog him for a couple of mill, same as they did with kirkland. Question is, Is Liverpools third/forth choice keeper good enough now for a Villa team that wants to replace them in the top 4? Answer, obviously not! So, the asking price is designed to put people off until they can assess if he's good enough, truth is at the moment he ain't!!
Waldorf
He is their second choice, they want to cash in on him, but he'd be in a 16 before Itandje. If the thing about scaring teams off with the price were true, why then put an option to buy in the loan contract. It doesn't make any sense, because if he'd had a blinding season he'd be gone before they could say "Aarakisch"
Carlosio
If that clause was part of the contract why has MoN said that Liverpool can veto any deal? He has 3 years left on his contract and could be kept regardless and farmed out on loan! If he was genuinely thought to be 2nd choice I think he'd be warming their bench because the guy your talking about looks awful, but, rafa would rather go into a champions league semi with him on the bench that Scotty boy, Why?
Waldorf
Easy Waldorf, because Carson is all hype and very little substance. OK he's not a bad keeper but I don't see him as markedly better than Taylor and he didn't (and wouldn't if bought today) cost anything like the amount Carson is being touted for. If we were getting him as a young keeper with potential than I'd sign him with a view to also signing a new no. 1 but Carson is being billed as a no.1 and as such should be the finished article, especially for the price. Yes, some keepers are good enough at his age and with his experience but Carson is not. Look at Rooney, 25 million at his tender age but he was, although not the finished article, already capable of performing at the international level and it is also important to remember that keeper is a far more key role. If a striker has a bad game the team may miss out on a few goals, if the keeper has a bad game the rest of the team might as well not turn up unless the defence is excellent as is the case at VP. To sum up, Carson? Yes at the right price as our new no.2 with the potential to be our future no.1 but nothing he has done to date has shown me that he is any better than what we already have and if his potential will ever be realised, well we will know if and when it happens.
Villain Of The North
Carson would be our second keeper, I think. We only signed Itandje cos our only other keeper is a youngster called David Martin. But, I have to say, I'd snap your hands off if you offered 10 mil!
Aamir
Mon's not interested in bringing Carson. if he is, he would go along the lines of "i would do everything i can to bring Carson in". Goodbye Carson, youve been a great deal of help in times of need.
Gruck
Why would we have gone for the American if we were going to spend a small fortune on Carson? Too early for him to be a keeper for a team who has aspirations of Champs league.
Villan444
I have consistently said that I do not think Carson is good enough at the moment. He has not produced any match winning performances for us and has in fact cost us points. The goal against Fulham being a case in point. His kicking and throwing is average. His handling is average. His command of the box is fairly weak and he is not a brilliant shot stopper. Good keepers excel at some aspect of the game. Great keepers excel at all. Carson is at best average. Think back to Bosnich, his shot stopping, command of the box, throwing were all excellent. Only his kicking let him down. David James is superb. He makes saves other keepers would not even reach. His distribution is phenomenal and he absolutely commands his area. His weakness is his concentration but that has improved massively since his dark days at Liverpool. Villa, Man City, West Ham and now Pompey fans all say just how good James is because they saw him week in week out and not the odd highlighted mistake on TV. Carson has time on his side but I do not believe he has that he has anything in his locker to make him anything more than an average keeper. I do not think we have a weak defence but we have conceded more goals than any other team in the top half of the table. I can not recall a game where Carson has faced 'shots in' and kept our head above water. Finding the right keeper for the club is probably M'ON's biggest challenge because it is the most important individual position in the team. You can have the best right, a goal scoring centre half, a great captain and a brilliant centre forward. But it all counts for nothing if your keeper can't keep the ball out of the net. Unfortunately I do not know who I would recommend between the sticks. I still rate David James. I have only read press reports on Boruc. Cudicini is about as good as Carson but is 12 years older and I wouldn't touch him if he was free. I like Ben Foster at Manure but he has been injured for 12 months. I would like to see the Barcodes get relegated and a cheeky offer for Given might be a good shout for a couple of years.
voiceoftheholte
Its obvious that MON has never got it right with players, Young for 9mil!!!! Many fans were annoyed at that!!! Harewood? No-one seemed happy with that signing. MON does not get TOO many wrong, I will trust his judgement, if we sign him great he will continue to get all the support I currently give him, if MON decides to sign someone else then I will support that decision too.
young_jonah
Agreed with that one young Jonah. You always support the shirt if they are giving it their all. Carson gets full support as soon as he puts on his Villa shirt, personally though I am not overly concerned about him returning to Redscouse.
voiceoftheholte
IMO he's not worth 10m. I was quite pleased when we were linked to Jaskeleinen. Now theres a good keeper.
The Usual Suspect
in goal keeper terms he is a baby, at only 21. he wont hit his peak until 30/31. give him a chance, he still has lots to learn but considering his age he looks like a very good prospect.
Stig
I've had the feeling since Carson arrived that this is a stop-gap measure. I would not be at all surprised if this was just time killing until Jaskeleinan (or however you spell it) is here next season. Great keeper who I'd be very, very happy to see at VP (not unlike the Usual Suspect). MOTD summed it up for me last week: first we see Carson flapping and palming the ball to the opponent's strikers, then Blackburn came on with Friedel (a truly under-rated keeper even at his age) dominating everything. Friedel is a major reason why Blackburn are up there with the chasing pack (to agree with VOTH).
Beovilla
................ actually I would much rather see TS between the sticks (despite his faults, a bloody good shot-stopper).
Beovilla
It's all about him costing 10m - interesting poll would be how much do we think he is worth?
tarzan
Beovilla, every save I saw Friedel make in that game was similar to the ones Carson made against Villa. Blocks that palm the ball anywhere but the back of the net. Many of them went straight back into the 6 yard box. I think it's strange therefore, that Carson is "flapping and palming" while the American is "dominating everything". The performances looked pretty similar from where I was standing. I have no problem with his ability to keep the ball out of the net for the most part. I do take issue with his problems dealing with long shots. We seem to have conceded a few, and everyone will remember the shot early on in the Reading game. Also a concern is the fact that he never holds the ball when he makes a save.....ever.
Carlosio
10m is an awful lot but you have to remember that he is a young, promising keeper who is getting alot of experience at an early age at the top level. Comparing him to Friedel isn't very fair considering the age and experience difference. Carson wouldn't be happy at Liverpool, with Reina being here, Carson will only play Carling cup and FA cup games and the odd PL game when Reina is rested for the CL...if we're in it next season!! :)
JonLFC
I like him, like him a lot in fact, and think he'd be a very good signing, the type of signing we should be bringing into the club. Whether or not he'll be here next season though, I'm just not convinced about. I dont think he will be. Maybe the 10m price tag will put off MON, maybe Liverpool will decide to keep him, maybe MON and his staff dont rate him highly enough, despite the public utterings.
glensider
Do we all want to wait 6 or 7 years until Carson is ready?? I don't, patience is one thing when your talking 2 - 3 years, Carson the top keeper is too far away for me.
Waldorf
He fits in with what MON is trying to put together! A team stacked with young talented players with a bright fiture. Carson has worn the England keepers jersey so I suspect the England manager may have seen something we have not.
col8
If Carson does indeed return to Liverpool, then theres no doubt that MON's first course of action this summer has to be to sign a quality keeper, but as we all know, they are few and far between. He's after the guy from MLS, but surely we are still going to come unstuck when we attempt to get a work permit?
glensider
 

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