Vital Football

Latest Aston Villa News

Are Us Villa Fans Realistic?

Are Us Villa Fans Realistic?

I'm sure I'm going to get some flak for this post but I really don't think enough of us are realistic about what we should achieve this season or indeed possibly even next season. I'm certainly not saying we shouldn't set our targets high but as with most performance management criteria there should always be a Threshold, Target and Stretch.

Personally I would say our Threshold this season has almost already been achieved already which is to finish higher than last season. Our Target should be to try and sneak in to a UEFA spot and the Stretch would be the Holy Grail that is Champions League qualification. Realistically, Target and Stretch should probably be the same for the next couple of seasons at least and then we should be looking to mount a serious challenge on the Prem BUT these things take time. You can't build a title winning team inside 2 years. Martin O'Neill has been spot on so far, identified the players from the inherited squad he wants to keep, promoted some of the younger players and brought in a selection of players who have improved the quality of the squad in areas we were lacking - in my opinion the only mistake MON has made in the transfer market was letting JPA go, how he'd have loved to be playing with a player like Ashley Young in the team.

I respect MON for not rushing out and signing players left right and centre IF he feels they do not add the required quality to the side. If we suffer a run of injuries and suspensions I would rather he continue to give some of the home grown players their opportunity. Let's not forget that the players we are left with for the remainder of the season are the ones that have got us to where we are in the table and there's no reason to doubt that they can't continue to keep us up there.

But let's also not forget that this is a 5 year plan and we're just over half way through year 2. When year 5 comes around we all hope that we're going to be challenging the big boys but we should always remember that they have all had quite a headstart on us and moving into the elite 4 is going to take patience. We are a club on the up and let's be positive about it, let's enjoy the improvements that have been made since Randy Lerner and MON arrived but please, please, please let's stop the bickering and sniping which was justified under the Ellis era and be thankful that those days are behind us.

Up the Villa

Date:Friday February 8 2008
Time: 12:58PM


08/02/2008 13:09:00
Shouldn't it be 'Are we Villa fans realistic'? And the answer should always be 'no' because it is only by looking for improvement that things get better. To be satisfied is to go backwards. Why do we have to 'sneak' into a competition? If we are there, we deserve to be and should go there proudly. Wasn't it Graham Taylor who said he did think we would be second, but if we didn't win it then, we may never have a better chance? 5 Year plans are OK in principle, but opportunities have to be grabbed, and if we have one, we should go for it, not sit back because it is not in some previously plan.
08/02/2008 13:12:00
Well we'll have no vitalvilla is their is no sniping, it's evryones opinion that makes this site. Just like you expressed an opnion, MON doesn't get evrything right because everyone has their own ideas, we air them on this site!
08/02/2008 13:14:00
Gordonsleftboot is spot on. Its all good talking about the 5 year plan but you also got to realise that the likes of Man city, Everton, Pompy and Spurs are also doing the same. We might never again the oppertunity to get 4th again for along time. This summer transfer market will either make or break MON in my ophinion because if he again looks to the plebs that can't get on other prem teams then we will fall well down the league.
08/02/2008 13:50:00
I think that many people voicing their opinions on this site about who we should have signed during the transfer window were unrealistic. As an example - why would Eidur Gudjohnsen or Jose Bosingwa want to leave their respective teams who are in the Champions League to come to us. Not realistic at all. Also, every time we lose to a team (often enivitable) a lot of fans start saying that it's all going wrong. We will not go the whole season unbeaten.
08/02/2008 14:05:00
Curteece you just selected players to fit your argument - what about more realistic targets signed by the likes of our rivals. Defoe, Diarra, Hutton, Woodgate, Alaves, wouldn't take any of those?? As for the performance against Fulham which I guess you are referring to, I think for a lot of us it was more concerning in the manner of defeat more than anything, as we looked tired, and bereft of ideas - as well as showing that with one or two injuries we may well struggle in even the so called easier games. All valid concerns I think.
08/02/2008 14:28:00
Gordonsleftboot and Kilga, it depends how you look upon being successful, you sound like you'd be happy with a quick fumble on the door step while I'm looking for the invite upstairs and return visits :o) I want success to be long term for this club, god knows we do deserve it and have wasted numerous opportunities over the past 25 years to have it. But I am realistic to know that you need to build up to something like that if you want to be able to sustain it. Everybody looks for improvement year on year it's just how you measure what is improvement in a realistic way.
08/02/2008 14:50:00
Villatillidie - the thing about this fantastic 5 year plan you keep mentioning is that it assumes everyone else stands still. They won't. If we are strengthening, chances are our competitors for the UEFA places will also be strengthening. In fact, if anything, they are doing so at a faster rate than us fairly consistently. I think a lot of us seem to agree that we've punched well above our weight this year so far....and the position we find ourselves in today might not be one we find ourselves in next year if we don't make the most of it. So we don't make Europe this year...what happens? What are our chances next year? No better, surely? That's the big flaw in this 5 year plan b0ll0x. So why not put our money where our mouth is and strengthen to give us the best possible shot at Europe from the position of strength we (fortuitously) find ourselves in today?
08/02/2008 15:03:00
Good point YatesyVillain. I wasn't referring to all people offering opinions on who to sign. Just some of them. I think certain people have their heads up in the clouds. Why run before we can walk? I am not referring to the valid comments that certain people made about the game against Fulham. i agree it wasn't quite an expected defeat. But you do lose games along the course of a season. We are in a much stronger position than I and I'm sure many of us expected at the start of the season and we are moving in the right direction, so why get so negative about a single defeat? I am a season ticket holder who moved a few years ago to Merseyside. I had a season ticket last year and at times a few seasons ago the trip down the M6 became a chore, and now it's a breeze - I look forward to a Saturday.
08/02/2008 15:11:00
To Curteece & Villatillidie. What kind of transfers would keep you happy in the summer. Would you be happy with MON again looking at the bench of all the teams that are around us in the table. I could probably accept what has jsut happened this transfer window if i thought that things would be different in the summer but all i can go on is his past record and that really does not inspire me. We need to bring in at least 3 big names this summer if we are not going to fall behind the likesof Spurs and Everton.
08/02/2008 15:22:00
Page 1/2
  1. 1
  2. 2

Login to post a comment


Recent Aston Villa Articles

Garde Talks Duverne & Fleetwood Friendly

Manager Remi Garde has been talking about the importance of fitness coach Robert Duverne and in today's friendly against Fleetwood Town we WON!

Striker Who Scores Linked With Villa Exit Shocker

Baffling... Kozak being linked with a Villa Park exit...

Garde Talks Gardner & Kozak

Manager Remi Garde has said that he'll be closely assessing the fitness of Gary Gardner and Libor Kozak in today's behind closed doors friendly against Fleetwood Town.

Pre Watford Information

With stepped up security for games following the events in Paris, Aston Villa have released a brief statement ahead of the Watford match.

Archived Vital Villa Articles

Vital Villa articles from

Site Journalists

J P Fear
Mike Field
Steve Wade
Turkish Penguin
Chris Heath
M Calucar
JuanPablo Angel

Current Poll (see more polls)

Everton MotM
Suggested By: Site Staff
Sub - Sanchez69%
Sub - Gestede0%
Sub - N'Zogbia1%
ScoopDragon Premier League Network Sites

League Table

# Team P W D L Pts. GD
1 Leicester City 13 8 4 1 28 8
2 Man Utd 13 8 3 2 27 10
3 Man City 13 8 2 3 26 14
4 Arsenal 13 8 2 3 26 12
5 Spurs 13 6 6 1 24 13
6 West Ham 13 6 3 4 21 4
7 Everton 13 5 5 3 20 8
8 Southampton 13 5 5 3 20 5
9 Liverpool 13 5 5 3 20 2
10 Crystal Palace 13 6 1 6 19 1
11 Stoke 13 5 4 4 19 -1
12 WBA 13 5 2 6 17 -5
13 Watford 13 4 4 5 16 -2
14 Swansea 13 3 5 5 14 -4
15 Chelsea 13 4 2 7 14 -6
16 Norwich 13 3 3 7 12 -8
17 Newcastle 13 2 4 7 10 -12
18 Sunderland 13 2 3 8 9 -12
19 AFC Bournemouth 13 2 3 8 9 -13
20 Aston Villa 13 1 2 10 5 -14
Write for Vital Football
Latest F1 News
Former FIA boss slams Ferrari
Latest Vital Boxing News
Tyson Fury on Doping!
The Vital Football Members League

Aston Villa Fixtures (view all)

Nov 28 2015 3:00PM : Watford (H)
Barclays Premier League
Dec 5 2015 3:00PM : Southampton (a)
Barclays Premier League
Dec 13 2015 1:30PM : Arsenal (H)
Barclays Premier League
Dec 19 2015 5:30PM : Newcastle United (a)
Barclays Premier League
Dec 26 2015 3:00PM : West Ham United (H)
Barclays Premier League
Dec 28 2015 3:00PM : Norwich City (a)
Barclays Premier League

Vital Members League Table

1.Pride of Lions931
2.The Fear557
Vital Football Comment